On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
According to Adam Funk <a24061a@ducksburg.com>:
Arguably in the 2000 presidential election Ralph Nader's Green Party
candidacy cost Al Gore the election, on ths theory that Nader's 2.8
million votes would otherwise have gone to Gore.
STV (or a similar system) would have fixed that.
Agreed. I used to live in Cambridge, Mass., which uses STV for its city
council and school committee. For all the moaning and groaning about
how hard it is to understand, it worked fine and allowed groups of
candidates to collect support from all over the city without dividing
it into districts.
WHen I lived there, you wrote down numbers from 1 to whatever on a
paper ballot,
which were then counted by hand which took a week. Since then some
clever guy from MIT arranged to count them by computer so they know the
result the same night.
I live in New York which allows fusion voting, where a candidate can
be nominated by several parties and the votes are combined. Along
with the Dems and Reps we have the Working Families party which pulls
the Dems to the left by threatening not to cross-endorse the
candidates, and the Conservative party that does the same to the
Reps.
How does that work on the ballot? Are there two entries for the same
person with different party names? Or one entry with both parties
attached?
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party
you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with
enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot
access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election:
https://lfweb.tompkins-co.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx? id=4092526&dbid=12&repo=TompkinsCounty
QUOTE:
This site canrCOt be reached lfweb.tompkins-co.org took too long to
respond.
Try:
Checking the connection Checking the proxy and the firewall Running
Windows Network Diagnostics ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:00:19 +0100, JNugent wrote:
On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party
you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with
enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot
access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election:
https://lfweb.tompkins-co.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?
id=4092526&dbid=12&repo=TompkinsCounty
QUOTE:
This site canrCOt be reached lfweb.tompkins-co.org took too long to
respond.
Try:
Checking the connection Checking the proxy and the firewall Running
Windows Network Diagnostics ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
It might think you are a bot ...
On 2026-08-02, Jethro <jethro_UK@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:00:19 +0100, JNugent wrote:
On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party
you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with
enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic
ballot access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election:
https://lfweb.tompkins-co.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?
id=4092526&dbid=12&repo=TompkinsCounty
QUOTE:
This site canrCOt be reached lfweb.tompkins-co.org took too long to
respond.
Try:
Checking the connection Checking the proxy and the firewall Running
Windows Network Diagnostics ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
It might think you are a bot ...
It looks to me like that website is blocking all connections from
non-USA IP addresses.
According to Adam Funk <a24061a@ducksburg.com>:
Arguably in the 2000 presidential election Ralph Nader's Green Party
candidacy cost Al Gore the election, on ths theory that Nader's 2.8
million votes would otherwise have gone to Gore.
STV (or a similar system) would have fixed that.
Agreed. I used to live in Cambridge, Mass., which uses STV for its city council
and school committee. For all the moaning and groaning about how hard it is to
understand, it worked fine and allowed groups of candidates to collect support
from all over the city without dividing it into districts.
WHen I lived there, you wrote down numbers from 1 to whatever on a paper ballot,
which were then counted by hand which took a week. Since then some clever guy from MIT arranged to count them by computer so they know the result the same night.
I live in New York which allows fusion voting, where a candidate can
be nominated by several parties and the votes are combined. Along with
the Dems and Reps we have the Working Families party which pulls the
Dems to the left by threatening not to cross-endorse the candidates,
and the Conservative party that does the same to the Reps.
How does that work on the ballot? Are there two entries for the same
person with different party names? Or one entry with both parties
attached?
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party you voted
for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot access next time. Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election:
https://lfweb.tompkins-co.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=4092526&dbid=12&repo=TompkinsCounty
On 2026-08-02, Jethro <jethro_UK@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:00:19 +0100, JNugent wrote:
On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party
you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with
enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot >>>> access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election:
https://lfweb.tompkins-co.org/WebLink/DocView.aspx?
id=4092526&dbid=12&repo=TompkinsCounty
QUOTE:
This site canrCOt be reached lfweb.tompkins-co.org took too long to
respond.
Try:
Checking the connection Checking the proxy and the firewall Running
Windows Network Diagnostics ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
It might think you are a bot ...
It looks to me like that website is blocking all connections from
non-USA IP addresses.
On 2026-08-02, Jethro <jethro_UK@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:00:19 +0100, JNugent wrote:It looks to me like that website is blocking all connections from
On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party
you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with
enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot >>>> access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election: ...
non-USA IP addresses.
According to Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>:
On 2026-08-02, Jethro <jethro_UK@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:00:19 +0100, JNugent wrote:It looks to me like that website is blocking all connections from
On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party >>>>> you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with >>>>> enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot >>>>> access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election: ...
non-USA IP addresses.
That's annoying although typical as there is a myth in the US that if
we let Europeans visit our web sites the GDPR will kill us all.
This should work:
https://www.taugh.com/Ulysses_Sample.pdf
On 2026-08-02, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
According to Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>:
On 2026-08-02, Jethro <jethro_UK@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:00:19 +0100, JNugent wrote:It looks to me like that website is blocking all connections from
On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party >>>>>> you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with >>>>>> enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot >>>>>> access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election: ...
non-USA IP addresses.
That's annoying although typical as there is a myth in the US that if
we let Europeans visit our web sites the GDPR will kill us all.
This should work:
https://www.taugh.com/Ulysses_Sample.pdf
That seems weird and unfair. Why don't candidates join like 50 groups
so they appear 50 times on the ballot?
According to Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>:
On 2026-08-02, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
According to Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>:
On 2026-08-02, Jethro <jethro_UK@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:00:19 +0100, JNugent wrote:It looks to me like that website is blocking all connections from >>>>non-USA IP addresses.
On 02/08/2026 03:24 AM, John Levine wrote:
The same name appears on multiple lines so they can tell which party >>>>>>> you voted for. It doesn't matter for the candidate, but parties with >>>>>>> enough votes statewide are "qualified" which gets them automatic ballot >>>>>>> access next time.
Here's the ballot I used in the 2024 general election: ...
That's annoying although typical as there is a myth in the US that if
we let Europeans visit our web sites the GDPR will kill us all.
This should work:
https://www.taugh.com/Ulysses_Sample.pdf
That seems weird and unfair. Why don't candidates join like 50 groups
so they appear 50 times on the ballot?
If a party isn't qualified from a previous election, they have to
submit a petition with 15,000 signatures for statewide or national
office which is expensive. I'm surprised that the Larouche party,
followers of deceased crank Lyndon Larouche, managed to do it.
In practice I don't think appearing on multiple lines helps a candidate
much beyond a small boost for people like me who are sympathetic to one
of the well-known minor parties.
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