• Mail after house move.

    From Simon Simple@nothanks@nottoday.co.uk to uk.legal.moderated on Fri Jun 12 11:19:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    We moved house just before Xmas and set up a postal redirect which has
    now expired. We changed all the important addresses of course.

    Since the redirect ended (and the timing may be a co-incidence) I've
    received correctly addressed mail at my new address from both a hearing
    test outfit and the RNLI, both of whom have reason to have my old
    address, but neither of whom I informed about the change.

    How can this be? How do they know?
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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Fri Jun 12 10:51:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2026-06-12, Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
    We moved house just before Xmas and set up a postal redirect which has
    now expired. We changed all the important addresses of course.

    Since the redirect ended (and the timing may be a co-incidence) I've received correctly addressed mail at my new address from both a hearing
    test outfit and the RNLI, both of whom have reason to have my old
    address, but neither of whom I informed about the change.

    How can this be? How do they know?

    The Royal Mail Redirection service includes an "Address update" feature,
    unless you specifically opt-out of it:

    We'll share the name and address details of everyone over the age of
    16 years old whose mail is being redirected with organisations that
    already have those details. Those organisations will use this
    information to update their records. This can help prevent fraud and
    reduce waste.

    See clauses 20.6 and 20.7 in their T&Cs:

    https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2026-04/consumer-and-special-circumstances-redirection-teams-and-conditions-2026.pdf


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  • From Simon Simple@nothanks@nottoday.co.uk to uk.legal.moderated on Fri Jun 12 15:10:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 12/06/2026 11:51, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2026-06-12, Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
    We moved house just before Xmas and set up a postal redirect which has
    now expired. We changed all the important addresses of course.

    Since the redirect ended (and the timing may be a co-incidence) I've
    received correctly addressed mail at my new address from both a hearing
    test outfit and the RNLI, both of whom have reason to have my old
    address, but neither of whom I informed about the change.

    How can this be? How do they know?

    The Royal Mail Redirection service includes an "Address update" feature, unless you specifically opt-out of it:

    We'll share the name and address details of everyone over the age of
    16 years old whose mail is being redirected with organisations that
    already have those details. Those organisations will use this
    information to update their records. This can help prevent fraud and
    reduce waste.

    See clauses 20.6 and 20.7 in their T&Cs:

    https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2026-04/consumer-and-special-circumstances-redirection-teams-and-conditions-2026.pdf


    Thanks! Shoulda read the small print, not that it matters. I wonder how
    they do it.
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  • From Clive Page@usenet@page2.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Fri Jun 12 17:52:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 12/06/2026 11:51, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2026-06-12, Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
    We moved house just before Xmas and set up a postal redirect which has
    now expired. We changed all the important addresses of course.

    Since the redirect ended (and the timing may be a co-incidence) I've
    received correctly addressed mail at my new address from both a hearing
    test outfit and the RNLI, both of whom have reason to have my old
    address, but neither of whom I informed about the change.

    How can this be? How do they know?

    The Royal Mail Redirection service includes an "Address update" feature, unless you specifically opt-out of it:

    We'll share the name and address details of everyone over the age of
    16 years old whose mail is being redirected with organisations that
    already have those details. Those organisations will use this
    information to update their records. This can help prevent fraud and
    reduce waste.

    See clauses 20.6 and 20.7 in their T&Cs:

    https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2026-04/consumer-and-special-circumstances-redirection-teams-and-conditions-2026.pdf


    How do they know whether the addressee is over 16 or not?
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    Clive Page


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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Fri Jun 12 17:53:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2026-06-12, Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/06/2026 11:51, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2026-06-12, Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
    We moved house just before Xmas and set up a postal redirect which has
    now expired. We changed all the important addresses of course.

    Since the redirect ended (and the timing may be a co-incidence) I've
    received correctly addressed mail at my new address from both a hearing
    test outfit and the RNLI, both of whom have reason to have my old
    address, but neither of whom I informed about the change.

    How can this be? How do they know?

    The Royal Mail Redirection service includes an "Address update" feature,
    unless you specifically opt-out of it:

    We'll share the name and address details of everyone over the age of
    16 years old whose mail is being redirected with organisations that
    already have those details. Those organisations will use this
    information to update their records. This can help prevent fraud and
    reduce waste.

    See clauses 20.6 and 20.7 in their T&Cs:

    https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2026-04/consumer-and-special-circumstances-redirection-teams-and-conditions-2026.pdf

    Thanks! Shoulda read the small print, not that it matters. I wonder how
    they do it.

    My guess would be it's their "data cleansing service" they offer to
    businesses:

    https://www.royalmail.com/business/marketing/data/cleansing

    Businesses send them their existing lists of names and addresses,
    and Royal Mail tidy it up, e.g. by fixing inaccurate addresses and
    by updating the addresses of people who they know have moved due to
    them having used the Redirection service.

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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Fri Jun 12 17:55:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2026-06-12, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:
    On 12/06/2026 11:51, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2026-06-12, Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
    We moved house just before Xmas and set up a postal redirect which has
    now expired. We changed all the important addresses of course.

    Since the redirect ended (and the timing may be a co-incidence) I've
    received correctly addressed mail at my new address from both a hearing
    test outfit and the RNLI, both of whom have reason to have my old
    address, but neither of whom I informed about the change.

    How can this be? How do they know?

    The Royal Mail Redirection service includes an "Address update" feature,
    unless you specifically opt-out of it:

    We'll share the name and address details of everyone over the age of
    16 years old whose mail is being redirected with organisations that
    already have those details. Those organisations will use this
    information to update their records. This can help prevent fraud and
    reduce waste.

    See clauses 20.6 and 20.7 in their T&Cs:

    https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2026-04/consumer-and-special-circumstances-redirection-teams-and-conditions-2026.pdf

    How do they know whether the addressee is over 16 or not?

    When you apply for a redirection, on the form you list the names of
    the people who are moving, and you include their dates of birth.

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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.legal.moderated on Fri Jun 12 18:09:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated


    "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote in message news:slrn112np4v.5fs.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu...
    On 2026-06-12, Simon Simple <nothanks@nottoday.co.uk> wrote:
    We moved house just before Xmas and set up a postal redirect which has
    now expired. We changed all the important addresses of course.

    Since the redirect ended (and the timing may be a co-incidence) I've
    received correctly addressed mail at my new address from both a hearing
    test outfit and the RNLI, both of whom have reason to have my old
    address, but neither of whom I informed about the change.

    How can this be? How do they know?

    The Royal Mail Redirection service includes an "Address update" feature, unless you specifically opt-out of it:

    We'll share the name and address details of everyone over the age of
    16 years old whose mail is being redirected with organisations that
    already have those details. Those organisations will use this
    information to update their records. This can help prevent fraud and
    reduce waste.

    See clauses 20.6 and 20.7 in their T&Cs:

    https://www.royalmail.com/sites/royalmail.com/files/2026-04/consumer-and-special-circumstances-redirection-teams-and-conditions-2026.pdf

    Short version: but how would Royal Mail know ?

    Long version: but how did Royal Mail know that the OP was on the mailing
    list of the hearing test outfit, and the RNLI; in order to inform
    them of the OP's change of address ?

    IOW, how did Royal Mail know which organisations "already have those
    details" even before any letter was sent ? Even to the extent
    of hearing aid test suppliers.

    Unless that is, rather than simply redirect such mail they return it to
    the sender along with the updated address. For it then to be re-sent.
    But then wouldn't that apply to all the redirected mail; not just
    that from senders who already have the now, incorrect details ?
    And wouldn't that all be a waste of time in any case; assuming the
    recipient would inform them anyway on first receipt of a re-directed
    letter.

    bb











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