• Re: Officers or Councillors?

    From brian@nospam@b-howie.co.uk to uk.legal.moderated on Sat May 23 20:32:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    In message <10umqub$mrau$2@dont-email.me>, GB
    <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> writes
    On 21/05/2026 07:34, Nick Odell wrote:
    The first council meeting after the all-out local elections broke up
    last night in what has been described in at least two local news
    outlets as "chaos" because none of the members of the largest party
    had ever held office before and didn't know what to do. "Shambles"
    doesn't begin to describe it.
    Is it the responsibility of the elected representatives themselves
    or
    the local government Sir Humphreys and Bernards to make sure elected
    representatives have all the procedural information they need prior to
    taking their seats?
    To mix my sitcoms: I won't divulge the name of the council nor the
    name of the political party the newcomers represent as I feel that
    would be an ecumenical matter.

    The AI is guessing it's obviously Havering.



    Nick

    Havering in the Scottish context ?

    Brian
    --
    Brian Howie

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  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.legal.moderated on Sun May 24 10:20:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Thu, 21 May 2026 21:39:40 -0000 (UTC), Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:

    On 2026-05-21, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    Incidentally, AI now says "The only council in the 2026 local elections
    where a party went from zero seats before May to 29 seats after the
    election is Wandsworth, where the Conservatives became the largest party
    with 29 seats, despite holding none immediately before the election. "

    It's not Wandsworth, because the Tories had 22 councillors before the >election, not none. Never believe anything "AI" tells you.

    It was my fault the AI got it wrong before, as I told it to look for a
    Reform-led council. I assumed that only Reform could truly mess it up
    like that. Just goes to show what prejudice does for you. I'm not a big
    fan of Fartage.

    But you're almost certainly right that he's talking about Reform.
    I can't be bothered to check which council though.

    Well, if appearing on the BBC News website counts as "going viral"
    then the story is out and there's no point in my being discrete.

    Story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypmk3k80ko

    Video: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cm2p1y1ymymo

    Nick

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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.legal.moderated on Sun May 24 10:44:45 2026
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    "Nick Odell" <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:ohg51ltqltofva11rd74507alttr53q8fo@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 21 May 2026 21:39:40 -0000 (UTC), Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:

    On 2026-05-21, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    Incidentally, AI now says "The only council in the 2026 local elections
    where a party went from zero seats before May to 29 seats after the
    election is Wandsworth, where the Conservatives became the largest party >>> with 29 seats, despite holding none immediately before the election. "

    It's not Wandsworth, because the Tories had 22 councillors before the >>election, not none. Never believe anything "AI" tells you.

    It was my fault the AI got it wrong before, as I told it to look for a
    Reform-led council. I assumed that only Reform could truly mess it up
    like that. Just goes to show what prejudice does for you. I'm not a big
    fan of Fartage.

    But you're almost certainly right that he's talking about Reform.
    I can't be bothered to check which council though.

    Well, if appearing on the BBC News website counts as "going viral"
    then the story is out and there's no point in my being discrete.

    Story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypmk3k80ko

    Video: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cm2p1y1ymymo

    Nick


    It will certainly be interesting to see how things eventually
    work out.

    quote:

    Reform UK is the largest party at Kirklees Council following
    the 7 May elections, with 29 out of the 69 seats, but falls
    short of a majority.

    The Greens have 12, Independents 11, Conservatives nine, Liberal
    Democrats five and Valley Independent Group three.

    unquote:

    With any administration requiring 35 votes to get measures passed
    presumably either at least 6 Conservatives are going to support
    Reform, or 4 Conservatives are going to agree to join an
    anti-Reform coalition.

    Or something


    bb

    * Presumably Conservative Central Office will have some say in
    the matter. While in other news; Labour nil points.




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  • From Mark Goodge@usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Jun 3 21:41:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Thu, 21 May 2026 22:47:35 +0100, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    On 21/05/2026 07:34 AM, Nick Odell wrote:

    The first council meeting after the all-out local elections broke up
    last night in what has been described in at least two local news
    outlets as "chaos" because none of the members of the largest party
    had ever held office before and didn't know what to do. "Shambles"
    doesn't begin to describe it.

    Is it the responsibility of the elected representatives themselves or
    the local government Sir Humphreys and Bernards to make sure elected
    representatives have all the procedural information they need prior to
    taking their seats?

    It is normal for the officers to arrange training and induction for new >councillors.

    But, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

    Mark

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