• To all those people looking to cover power cuts with batteries

    From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Thu Sep 24 19:21:30 2026
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    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at
    ~-u2/litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of application

    Just think about it
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Sep 24 20:32:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr? variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    I'd have thought a 1ph 6kW would be sufficient for most?

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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.d-i-y on Thu Sep 24 22:29:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr? variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at ~-u2/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of application

    Just think about it

    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.

    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any
    long-term solution such as a generator.

    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our
    village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches touching high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows computers take ages to come back because they need to check and repair a "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start our various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house.

    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
    sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Sep 25 09:02:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-
    generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at ~-u2/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the batteries too. >>
    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of
    application

    Just think about it

    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.

    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any long-term solution such as a generator.

    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our
    village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches touching high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows computers take ages to come back because they need to check and repair a "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start our various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to each other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house.

    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
    sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).

    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a
    built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
    auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but
    the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Sep 25 09:06:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 24/09/2026 20:32, Andy Burns wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-
    generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    I'd have thought a 1ph 6kW would be sufficient for most?

    Not sure that would even power an electric cooker?
    --
    Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
    people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
    they are poor.

    Peter Thompson

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Sep 25 09:07:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).

    I've had three just this YEAR,. Trees on line resulting in 4-6 hours each
    --
    Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
    people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
    they are poor.

    Peter Thompson

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Sep 25 09:08:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/09/2026 09:02, Jeff Layman wrote:
    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a
    built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
    auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but
    the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.

    Well half of the problem is connecting to the internet
    --
    Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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  • From Brian@noinv@lid.org to uk.d-i-y on Fri Sep 25 18:02:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at
    ~-u2/litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of application

    Just think about it



    Or get a petrol generator, either ready converted to run on LPG or convert
    it, and it should run of natural gas.

    ( The conversion includes a special / low pressure on demand regulator
    which should work with domestic gas pressures. Running such generators
    like this is common in the US. No need to store fuel.)



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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Sep 27 07:59:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-
    generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~u2/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries >>> too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of
    application

    Just think about it
    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's >> the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any>> long-term solution such as a generator.
    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our
    village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house.
    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
    sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).

    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a > built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any > auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but > the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Sep 27 14:20:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-
    generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency >>>>> it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~u2/ >>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to >>>>> be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries >>>>> too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of
    application

    Just think about it
    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's >>>> the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>> disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need >>>> hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any
    long-term solution such as a generator.
    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our
    village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>> touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows >>>> computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>> repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>> our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>> each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means >>>> one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>> because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house. >>>> Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>> long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>> at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).

    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops
    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.
    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that don't
    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
    Very few have a removable battery now
    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.
    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Sep 27 16:47:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker > <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>> efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~u2/ >>>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>> to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>> batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>> application

    Just think about it
    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>> It's the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>>> disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>> need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any >>>>> long-term solution such as a generator.
    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>> touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>> Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>> repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>>> our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>>> each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>> means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>> because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>> house.
    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>> long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the >>>>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
    sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>> at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).

    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that > don't

    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.

    Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery
    And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
    the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
    whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
    you need that portability
    Makes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
    power full time from its battery even when the mains
    drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
    the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
    the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
    to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
    thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
    so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it
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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Sep 27 11:38:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 27/09/2026 07:47, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker
    <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman
    <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30%
    efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at ~-u2/ >>>>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>>> to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the
    batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>>> application

    Just think about it
    -aHowever... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>> It's the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
    disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>> need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    -aA fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any >>>>>> long-term solution such as a generator.
    -aFor several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
    touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that
    Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
    repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to
    start our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect
    to each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often
    means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem
    because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the
    house.
    -aFortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>> long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the >>>>>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are
    operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).

    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
    auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc,
    but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    -aBuf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that
    don't

    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.

    Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect.-a They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery

    And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
    the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
    whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
    you need that portability

    Makes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
    power full time from its battery even when the mains
    drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
    the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
    the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
    to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
    thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
    so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it

    That is not very difficult. I recently changed the fans in
    a Dell XPS notebook which is quite compact. All I needed to
    do was remove a few screws from the bottom of the case, prise
    open the bottom cover, then unscrew and unplug the battery
    pack to give access and swap the fan module. Most people
    with reasonable manual skills would be able to do this so
    long as they had the right screwdriver for opening the case.
    The service manual gives very clear instructions, complete
    with drawings.
    A single UPS for everything only works if all your equipment
    is in the same area.
    In any case, holding the maximum state of charge at about 70%
    is very effective at prolonging battery life.
    John

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.d-i-y on Sun Sep 27 16:40:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 27 Sep 2026 at 05:20:32 BST, ""Rod Speed"" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=3D54982514770297&country=3DGB-ncy=3DGBP

    Price less than =A33000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency >>>>>> it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~=A32/ >>>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to >>>>>> be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries >>>>>> too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>> application

    Just think about it
    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's >>>>> the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
    disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need >>>>> hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any >>>>> long-term solution such as a generator.
    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
    touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows >>>>> computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
    repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start
    our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to
    each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means >>>>> one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem
    because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house. >>>>> Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two
    long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the >>>>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
    sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>> at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).

    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a
    built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
    auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but
    the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that don't

    I don't see how. If the battery remains uncharged above the optimum for long life the battery will not even know whether the laptop is in use and
    conneccted to mains.





    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.

    Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery
    --
    Roger Hayter
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Sep 28 03:07:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 20:38:11 +1000, John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 27/09/2026 07:47, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> >> wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker >>> <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman >>>>> <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>>>> efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>> ~u2/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>>>> to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>>>> batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind >>>>>>>> of
    application

    Just think about it
    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>> It's the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>>>>> disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>>> need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to >>>>>>> any
    long-term solution such as a generator.
    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in >>>>>>> our
    village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>>>> touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>>> Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>>>> repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to >>>>>>> start our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect >>>>>>> to each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>> means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>> because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>> house.
    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>>> long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; >>>>>>> the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are >>>>>>> operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>
    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, >>>>>> but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that >>> don't

    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.

    Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery
    And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
    the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
    whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
    you need that portability
    Makes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
    power full time from its battery even when the mains
    drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
    the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
    the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
    to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
    thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
    so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it
    That is not very difficult.
    Depends on the laptop
    I recently changed the fans in
    a Dell XPS notebook which is quite compact. All I needed to
    do was remove a few screws from the bottom of the case, prise
    open the bottom cover, then unscrew and unplug the battery
    pack to give access and swap the fan module. Most people
    with reasonable manual skills would be able to do this so
    long as they had the right screwdriver for opening the case.
    The service manual gives very clear instructions, complete
    with drawings.
    But that isnt available with most laptops
    A single UPS for everything only works if all your equipment
    is in the same area.
    That's not accurate either, there is nothing to stop you
    running a power lead from the ups to say the router
    In any case, holding the maximum state of charge at about 70%
    is very effective at prolonging battery life.
    You don't necessarily have to do that if the charger supplys
    the power that the device uses so the battery is just sitting
    there in case the charger is no longer providing power
    Fact remains, you don't need the fucked keyboard and
    lousy screen that laptop has unless you need portability
    and its a lot easier to replace the battery is that becomes
    necessay when it isnt an ultra slim pouch in a stupidly
    thin laptop which is only stupidly thin for the portability
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Sep 28 03:12:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 02:40:18 +1000, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
    On 27 Sep 2026 at 05:20:32 BST, ""Rod Speed"" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> > wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker >> <jrwalliker@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=3D54982514770297&country=3DGB-ncy=3DGBP

    Price less than =A33000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>>> efficiency
    it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>> ~=A32/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>>> to
    be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>>> batteries
    too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>>> application

    Just think about it
    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>> It's
    the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
    disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>> need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to >>>>>> any
    long-term solution such as a generator.
    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
    touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>> Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
    repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>>>> our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>>>> each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>> means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem
    because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>> house.
    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>> long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; >>>>>> the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>>> at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).>>>>> >>>>> Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a
    built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
    auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>>>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that >> don't

    I don't see how. If the battery remains uncharged above the optimum for > long
    life the battery will not even know whether the laptop is in use and conneccted to mains.
    Optimum charge for long life isnt the same thing
    as not charging it at all isnt the same thing as not
    charging it unless it needs to be charged
    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.

    Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery

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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Sep 28 12:16:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 27/09/2026 18:07, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 20:38:11 +1000, John R Walliker
    <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 27/09/2026 07:47, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker
    <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman
    <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent- >>>>>>>>> diesel-
    generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than -u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30%
    efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>>> ~-u2/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's >>>>>>>>> going to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the >>>>>>>>> batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this >>>>>>>>> kind of
    application

    Just think about it
    -aHowever... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>>> It's the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
    disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and >>>>>>>> may need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    -aA fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition >>>>>>>> to any
    long-term solution such as a generator.
    -aFor several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in >>>>>>>> our
    village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>>>>> touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>>>> Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>>>>> repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to >>>>>>>> start our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect >>>>>>>> to each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>>> means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>>> because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>>> house.
    -aFortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had >>>>>>>> two long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in
    advance; the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are
    operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>>
    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got >>>>>>> a built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>>>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, >>>>>>> but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    -aBuf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones
    that don't

    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.

    Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect.-a They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery
    -aAnd in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
    the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
    whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
    you need that portability
    -aMakes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
    power full time from its battery even when the mains
    drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
    the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
    the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
    to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
    thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
    so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it

    That is not very difficult.

    Depends on the laptop

    I recently changed the fans in
    a Dell XPS notebook which is quite compact.-a All I needed to
    do was remove a few screws from the bottom of the case, prise
    open the bottom cover, then unscrew and unplug the battery
    pack to give access and swap the fan module.-a Most people
    with reasonable manual skills would be able to do this so
    long as they had the right screwdriver for opening the case.

    The service manual gives very clear instructions, complete
    with drawings.

    But that isnt available with most laptops

    Choose a laptop which is relatively easy to repair or upgrade.
    You don't have to buy one that makes this difficult.

    A single UPS for everything only works if all yr equipment
    is in the same area.

    That's not accurate either, there is nothing to stop you
    running a power lead from the ups to say the router

    My router and switches live under the stairs. I don't want to
    run an extension cable to another room creating a trip hazard.

    In any case, holding the maximum state of charge at about 70%
    is very effective at prolonging battery life.

    You don't necessarily have to do that if the charger supplys
    the power that the device uses so the battery is just sitting
    there in case the charger is no longer providing power

    Fact remains, you don't need the fucked keyboard and
    lousy screen that laptop has unless you need portability
    and its a lot easier to replace the battery is that becomes
    necessay when it isnt an ultra slim pouch in a stupidly
    thin laptop which is only stupidly thin for the portability

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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Sep 28 12:26:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 27/09/2026 18:12, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 02:40:18 +1000, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 27 Sep 2026 at 05:20:32 BST, ""Rod Speed""
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker
    <jrwalliker@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=3D54982514770297&country=3DGB-ncy=3DGBP

    Price less than =A33000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30%
    efficiency
    it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>> ~=A32/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's
    going to
    be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the
    batteries
    too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>>>> application

    Just think about it
    -aHowever... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>> It's
    the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
    disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>>> need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    -aA fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to >>>>>>> any
    long-term solution such as a generator.
    -aFor several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
    touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that
    Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
    repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>>>>> our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>>>>> each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>> means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>> because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>> house.
    -aFortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>>> long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; >>>>>>> the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>>>> at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>
    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
    auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>>>>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    -aBuf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
    most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that
    don't

    I don't see how. If the battery remains uncharged above the optimum
    for long
    life the battery will not even know whether the laptop is in use and
    conneccted to mains.

    Optimum charge for long life isnt the same thing
    as not charging it at all isnt the same thing as not
    charging it unless it needs to be charged

    So long as the battery does not spend a lot of time close
    to being fully charged where corrosion mechanisms are greatly
    enhanced, or deeply discharged where dendrite formation is
    more likely the battery will last a very long time. Small
    amounts of charge-discharge activity in the middle of the
    optimum range will have very little effect. A well designed
    charger circuit will have some hysteresis so that even
    such small charge adjustments will not happen very often.


    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.

    Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect.-a They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery


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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Tue Sep 29 03:01:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 21:16:26 +1000, John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 27/09/2026 18:07, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 20:38:11 +1000, John R Walliker >> <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 27/09/2026 07:47, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed >>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker >>>>> <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman >>>>>>> <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:
    On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent- >>>>>>>>>> diesel-
    generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
    variant=54982514770297&country=GB&currency=GBP

    Price less than u3000

    a tank of diesel never goes flat.

    A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>>>>>> efficiency it
    will only deliver 3kWh

    Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>>>> ~u2/
    litre at 66p a unit,.

    Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)

    I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's >>>>>>>>>> going to be
    a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>>>>>> batteries too.

    And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this >>>>>>>>>> kind of
    application

    Just think about it
    However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>>>> It's the
    fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>>>>>>> disruptive
    as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and >>>>>>>>> may need
    hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
    A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition >>>>>>>>> to any
    long-term solution such as a generator.
    For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in >>>>>>>>> our
    village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>>>>>> touching
    high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>>>>> Windows
    computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>>>>>> repair a
    "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to >>>>>>>>> start our
    various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect >>>>>>>>> to each
    other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>>>> means
    one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>>>> because
    it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>>>> house.
    Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had >>>>>>>>> two long
    power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in >>>>>>>>> advance; the
    other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at >>>>>>>>> our
    sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
    (switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are >>>>>>>>> operating at
    a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>>>
    Just a thought...

    What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got >>>>>>>> a built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>>>>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, >>>>>>>> but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
    Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
    in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with >>>>>>> most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
    matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
    modern laptops

    Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
    70% to avoid such problems.

    It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones >>>>> that don't

    You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.>>>>> >>>>> Very few have a removable battery now

    I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
    downloadable service manuals for most models.

    Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
    the internal pouch battery
    And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
    the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
    whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
    you need that portability
    Makes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
    power full time from its battery even when the mains
    drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
    the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
    the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
    to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
    thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
    so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it

    That is not very difficult.
    Depends on the laptop

    I recently changed the fans in
    a Dell XPS notebook which is quite compact. All I needed to
    do was remove a few screws from the bottom of the case, prise
    open the bottom cover, then unscrew and unplug the battery
    pack to give access and swap the fan module. Most people
    with reasonable manual skills would be able to do this so
    long as they had the right screwdriver for opening the case.

    The service manual gives very clear instructions, complete
    with drawings.
    But that isnt available with most laptops

    Choose a laptop which is relatively easy to repair or upgrade.
    Makes more sense to not use a laptop in the first place,
    use a ups what operates like a laptop battery wise so
    you don't have to pay for the useless screen and
    keyboard if you don't need the portability
    You don't have to buy one that makes this difficult.
    A single UPS for everything only works if all yr equipment
    is in the same area.
    That's not accurate either, there is nothing to stop you
    running a power lead from the ups to say the router
    My router and switches live under the stairs. I don't want to
    run an extension cable to another room creating a trip hazard.
    Doesn't have to be a trip hazard
    In any case, holding the maximum state of charge at about 70%
    is very effective at prolonging battery life.
    You don't necessarily have to do that if the charger supplys
    the power that the device uses so the battery is just sitting
    there in case the charger is no longer providing power
    Fact remains, you don't need the fucked keyboard and
    lousy screen that laptop has unless you need portability
    and its a lot easier to replace the battery is that becomes
    necessay when it isnt an ultra slim pouch in a stupidly
    thin laptop which is only stupidly thin for the portability
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  • From AJH@news@loampitsfarm.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Tue Sep 29 21:55:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/09/2026 19:02, Brian wrote:

    ( The conversion includes a special / low pressure on demand regulator
    which should work with domestic gas pressures. Running such generators
    like this is common in the US. No need to store fuel.)



    I suspect a gas safe engineer would charge a lot to make the connection.

    Unless a bayonet cooker connection would suffice, but would that be legal?

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