https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr? variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than -u3000
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr? variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than -u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at ~-u2/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the batteries too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of application
Just think about it
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-
generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than -u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at ~-u2/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the batteries too. >>
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of
application
Just think about it
However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's the
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our
village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches touching high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows computers take ages to come back because they need to check and repair a "dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start our various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to each other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house.
Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-
generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than -u3000
I'd have thought a 1ph 6kW would be sufficient for most?
Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a
built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but
the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than -u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at
~-u2/litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of application
Just think about it
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's >> the
generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~u2/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries >>> too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of
application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any>> long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our
village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house.
Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
Just a thought...
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a > built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any > auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but > the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that don't
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >> wrote:Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel-However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's >>>> the
generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency >>>>> it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~u2/ >>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to >>>>> be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries >>>>> too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of
application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>> disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need >>>> hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any
long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our
village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>> touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows >>>> computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>> repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>> our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>> each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means >>>> one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>> because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house. >>>> Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>> long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>> at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
Just a thought...
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
70% to avoid such problems.
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They haveSure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
downloadable service manuals for most models.
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker > <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>> It's the
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>> efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~u2/ >>>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>> to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>> batteries too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>> application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>>> disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>> need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any >>>>> long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>> touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>> Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>> repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>>> our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>>> each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>> means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>> because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>> house.
Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>> long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the >>>>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>> at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
Just a thought...
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that > don't
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker
<jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman
<Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:-aBuf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?-aHowever... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>> It's the
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than -u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30%
efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at ~-u2/ >>>>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>>> to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the
batteries too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>>> application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>> need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
-aA fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any >>>>>> long-term solution such as a generator.
-aFor several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that
Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to
start our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect
to each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often
means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem
because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the
house.
-aFortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>> long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the >>>>>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are
operating at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
Just a thought...
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc,
but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that
don't
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect.-a They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
you need that portability
Makes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
power full time from its battery even when the mains
drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. It's >>>>> the
variant=3D54982514770297&country=3DGB-ncy=3DGBP
Price less than =A33000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% efficiency >>>>>> it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at ~=A32/ >>>>>> litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going to >>>>>> be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the batteries >>>>>> too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>> application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may need >>>>> hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to any >>>>> long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that Windows >>>>> computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start
our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to
each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often means >>>>> one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem
because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the house. >>>>> Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two
long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; the >>>>> other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our
sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>> at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).
Just a thought...
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a
built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but
the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that don't
--You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
On 27/09/2026 07:47, Rod Speed wrote:Depends on the laptop
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> >> wrote:That is not very difficult.
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker >>> <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman >>>>> <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Just a thought...
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>> It's the
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>>>> efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>> ~u2/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>>>> to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>>>> batteries too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind >>>>>>>> of
application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>>>>> disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>>> need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to >>>>>>> any
long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in >>>>>>> our
village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>>>> touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>>> Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>>>> repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to >>>>>>> start our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect >>>>>>> to each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>> means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>> because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>> house.
Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>>> long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; >>>>>>> the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are >>>>>>> operating at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, >>>>>> but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that >>> don't
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
you need that portability
Makes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
power full time from its battery even when the mains
drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it
I recently changed the fans inBut that isnt available with most laptops
a Dell XPS notebook which is quite compact. All I needed to
do was remove a few screws from the bottom of the case, prise
open the bottom cover, then unscrew and unplug the battery
pack to give access and swap the fan module. Most people
with reasonable manual skills would be able to do this so
long as they had the right screwdriver for opening the case.
The service manual gives very clear instructions, complete
with drawings.
A single UPS for everything only works if all your equipmentThat's not accurate either, there is nothing to stop you
is in the same area.
In any case, holding the maximum state of charge at about 70%You don't necessarily have to do that if the charger supplys
is very effective at prolonging battery life.
On 27 Sep 2026 at 05:20:32 BST, ""Rod Speed"" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> > wrote:Optimum charge for long life isnt the same thing
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker >> <jrwalliker@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>> It's
variant=3D54982514770297&country=3DGB-ncy=3DGBP
Price less than =A33000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>>> efficiency
it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>> ~=A32/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's going >>>>>>> to
be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>>> batteries
too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>>> application
Just think about it
the
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>> need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to >>>>>> any
long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>> Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>>>> our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>>>> each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>> means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem
because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>> house.
Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>> long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; >>>>>> the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>>> at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower).>>>>> >>>>> Just a thought...
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a
built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>>>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that >> don't
I don't see how. If the battery remains uncharged above the optimum for > long
life the battery will not even know whether the laptop is in use and conneccted to mains.
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 20:38:11 +1000, John R Walliker
<jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/09/2026 07:47, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker-aAnd in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
<jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman
<Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:-aBuf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Just a thought...
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent- >>>>>>>>> diesel--aHowever... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>>> It's the
generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than -u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30%
efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>>> ~-u2/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's >>>>>>>>> going to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the >>>>>>>>> batteries too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this >>>>>>>>> kind of
application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and >>>>>>>> may need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
-aA fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition >>>>>>>> to any
long-term solution such as a generator.
-aFor several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in >>>>>>>> our
village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>>>>> touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>>>> Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>>>>> repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to >>>>>>>> start our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect >>>>>>>> to each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>>> means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>>> because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>>> house.
-aFortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had >>>>>>>> two long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in
advance; the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are
operating at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>>
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got >>>>>>> a built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>>>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, >>>>>>> but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones
that don't
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect.-a They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
you need that portability
-aMakes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
power full time from its battery even when the mains
drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it
That is not very difficult.
Depends on the laptop
I recently changed the fans in
a Dell XPS notebook which is quite compact.-a All I needed to
do was remove a few screws from the bottom of the case, prise
open the bottom cover, then unscrew and unplug the battery
pack to give access and swap the fan module.-a Most people
with reasonable manual skills would be able to do this so
long as they had the right screwdriver for opening the case.
The service manual gives very clear instructions, complete
with drawings.
But that isnt available with most laptops
A single UPS for everything only works if all yr equipment
is in the same area.
That's not accurate either, there is nothing to stop you
running a power lead from the ups to say the router
In any case, holding the maximum state of charge at about 70%
is very effective at prolonging battery life.
You don't necessarily have to do that if the charger supplys
the power that the device uses so the battery is just sitting
there in case the charger is no longer providing power
Fact remains, you don't need the fucked keyboard and
lousy screen that laptop has unless you need portability
and its a lot easier to replace the battery is that becomes
necessay when it isnt an ultra slim pouch in a stupidly
thin laptop which is only stupidly thin for the portability
On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 02:40:18 +1000, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 27 Sep 2026 at 05:20:32 BST, ""Rod Speed""
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker
<jrwalliker@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:-aBuf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Just a thought...
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent-diesel- >>>>>>>> generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?-aHowever... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>> It's
variant=3D54982514770297&country=3DGB-ncy=3DGBP
Price less than =A33000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30%
efficiency
it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated-a electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>> ~=A32/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's
going to
be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast-a the
batteries
too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this kind of >>>>>>>> application
Just think about it
the
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as
disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and may >>>>>>> need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
-aA fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition to >>>>>>> any
long-term solution such as a generator.
-aFor several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in our >>>>>>> village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches
touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that
Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and
repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to start >>>>>>> our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect to >>>>>>> each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>> means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>> because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>> house.
-aFortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had two >>>>>>> long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in advance; >>>>>>> the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at our >>>>>>> sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are operating >>>>>>> at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got a >>>>>> built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any
auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, but >>>>>> the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with
most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones that
don't
I don't see how. If the battery remains uncharged above the optimum
for long
life the battery will not even know whether the laptop is in use and
conneccted to mains.
Optimum charge for long life isnt the same thing
as not charging it at all isnt the same thing as not
charging it unless it needs to be charged
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.
Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect.-a They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
On 27/09/2026 18:07, Rod Speed wrote:Makes more sense to not use a laptop in the first place,
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 20:38:11 +1000, John R Walliker >> <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/09/2026 07:47, Rod Speed wrote:Depends on the laptop
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:20:32 +1000, Rod Speed >>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:16:01 +1000, John R Walliker >>>>> <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:And in some ways it doesn't make a lot of sense to have
On 26/09/2026 22:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 18:02:30 +1000, Jeff Layman >>>>>>> <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 22:29, NY wrote:Buf has the other hassle that if you have the charger plugged
On 24/09/2026 19:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Just a thought...
https://affordablegenerators.co.uk/products/new-10kw-silent- >>>>>>>>>> diesel-However... the problem is not just the length of the power cut. >>>>>>>>> It's the
generator-3-phase-single-phase-50hz-electric-start-avr?
variant=54982514770297&country=GB¤cy=GBP
Price less than u3000
a tank of diesel never goes flat.
A litre of diesel is about 10kWh of energy but at say 30% >>>>>>>>>> efficiency it
will only deliver 3kWh
Putting the generated electricity price with current diesel at >>>>>>>>>> ~u2/
litre at 66p a unit,.
Or half that if you run it off heating oil...:-)
I would say that compared with batteries + inverter, that's >>>>>>>>>> going to be
a cheaper capital purchase. And will probably outlast the >>>>>>>>>> batteries too.
And will run almost indefinitely. Low RPM diesels love this >>>>>>>>>> kind of
application
Just think about it
fact that it happens at all. A 1 second power cut is just as >>>>>>>>> disruptive
as a 1-hour one, in that all computer devices will reboot and >>>>>>>>> may need
hand-holding to get them to start cleanly.
A fast-acting, glitch-free UPS is probably needed in addition >>>>>>>>> to any
long-term solution such as a generator.
For several years we have had periods of 1-second power cuts in >>>>>>>>> our
village, thought to be caused by untrimmed overhanging branches >>>>>>>>> touching
high-voltage lines to our substation. They sometimes mean that >>>>>>>>> Windows
computers take ages to come back because they need to check and >>>>>>>>> repair a
"dirty" filesystem, and it often needs manual intervention to >>>>>>>>> start our
various wifi mesh nodes in the correct order so they all connect >>>>>>>>> to each
other (starting them simultaneously when power is restored often >>>>>>>>> means
one or more fails to reconnect). The mesh situation is a problem >>>>>>>>> because
it would need one UPS per node since they are dotted around the >>>>>>>>> house.
Fortunately in the six years we've lived here, we've only had >>>>>>>>> two long
power cuts that lasted several hours. One was planned in >>>>>>>>> advance; the
other was as a result of a brown-out (I measured a mere 90 V at >>>>>>>>> our
sockets!) which stopped some devices but kept others going
(switched-mode PSUs are great, even if means that they are >>>>>>>>> operating at
a much greater duty cycle when the input voltage is a lot lower). >>>>>>>>
What can a desktop computer do that a laptop can't, as you've got >>>>>>>> a built-in UPS with the laptop? You'd still require a UPS for any >>>>>>>> auxiliary equipment such as a router and big screen monitor, etc, >>>>>>>> but the computer itself is "safe" from all those glitches.
in all the time, that fucks the life of the internal battery with >>>>>>> most laptops and you can't even decide that that doesn't
matter when you can't easily just replace the battery with
modern laptops
Many laptops have a setting which terminates charging at about
70% to avoid such problems.
It doesn't actually avoid the problem, just isn't as bad as ones >>>>> that don't
You can always choose not to buy a device that is hard to repair.>>>>> >>>>> Very few have a removable battery now
I find that Dell are generally good in this respect. They have
downloadable service manuals for most models.
Sure, but that doesn't help when the battery is now
the internal pouch battery
the cruise thru any shortage of power using a device
whose screen and keyboard are basically useless unless
you need that portability
Makes more sense to have a decent ups that provides
power full time from its battery even when the mains
drops out because you need that for the stuff outside
the laptop like the router etc and then you can make
the battery easy to swap out when its life has come
to an end, given that it doesn't have to fit into a very
thin laptop which makes it impossible to swap easily
so you have to basically dismantle the laptop to change it
That is not very difficult.
I recently changed the fans inBut that isnt available with most laptops
a Dell XPS notebook which is quite compact. All I needed to
do was remove a few screws from the bottom of the case, prise
open the bottom cover, then unscrew and unplug the battery
pack to give access and swap the fan module. Most people
with reasonable manual skills would be able to do this so
long as they had the right screwdriver for opening the case.
The service manual gives very clear instructions, complete
with drawings.
Choose a laptop which is relatively easy to repair or upgrade.
You don't have to buy one that makes this difficult.Doesn't have to be a trip hazard
My router and switches live under the stairs. I don't want toA single UPS for everything only works if all yr equipmentThat's not accurate either, there is nothing to stop you
is in the same area.
running a power lead from the ups to say the router
run an extension cable to another room creating a trip hazard.
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2In any case, holding the maximum state of charge at about 70%You don't necessarily have to do that if the charger supplys
is very effective at prolonging battery life.
the power that the device uses so the battery is just sitting
there in case the charger is no longer providing power
Fact remains, you don't need the fucked keyboard and
lousy screen that laptop has unless you need portability
and its a lot easier to replace the battery is that becomes
necessay when it isnt an ultra slim pouch in a stupidly
thin laptop which is only stupidly thin for the portability
( The conversion includes a special / low pressure on demand regulator
which should work with domestic gas pressures. Running such generators
like this is common in the US. No need to store fuel.)
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