My daughter's flat has failed an EICR because the wiring to 20 GU10 down lighters, with LED bulbs, is faulty. The single insulation red and black wires are exposed but the outer sheath has not been continued into the
bulb holder. Now I know if a three pin plug is wired such that the whole cable is not in the clamp is a failure as live and neutral single
insulated conductors are exposed and could be touched but I thought it
was alright if there was a secondary safety cover, like a meter box door prevents access to the single insulated meter tails. These exposed
single insulated conductors are only accessible if the units are pried
from the ceiling-+
It's an expensive repair as the GU10 fittings are unable to accept the
full flex, so they will all have to be replaced. The chap who carried
out the test wants -u700.
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR? Is it say a rental, or up for sale?
My daughter's flat has failed an EICR because the wiring to 20 GU10 down lighters, with LED bulbs, is faulty. The single insulation red and black wires are exposed-a but the outer sheath has not been continued into the bulb holder. Now I know if a three pin plug is wired such that the whole cable is not in the clamp is a failure as live and neutral single
insulated conductors are exposed and could be touched but I thought it
was alright if there was a secondary safety cover, like a meter box door prevents access to the single insulated meter tails. These exposed
single insulated conductors are only accessible if the units are pried
from the ceiling-+
It's an expensive repair as the GU10 fittings are unable to accept the
full flex, so they will all have to be replaced. The chap who carried
out the test wants -u700.
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR?-a Is it say a rental, or up for
sale?
Potentially either.
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
no idea.
Dave--
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR? Is it say a rental, or up for sale?
Potentially either.
David Wade wrote:He posted last week ...
Gone to Norway with the parrots I fear...
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
no idea.
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not suitable
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR? Is it say a rental, or up for
sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'. Cheaper to get another EICR than spend the 700 quid. If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now you know
how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to grip the cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch. In the
EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having a cable grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
On 06/08/2026 22:48, Theo wrote:
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not suitable
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR?-a Is it say a rental, or up for >>>> sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'.-a Cheaper to get another EICR than
spend
the 700 quid.-a If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now you know >> how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to grip the
cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a
single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch.-a In the
EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having a
cable
grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because they were, I disregarded everything else he had to say
On 07/08/2026 11:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/08/2026 22:48, Theo wrote:
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not suitable
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR? Is it say a rental, or up for >>>>> sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'. Cheaper to get another EICR than
spend
the 700 quid. If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now you know >>> how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to grip the >>> cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a
single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch. In the >>> EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having a
cable
grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because they were, I
disregarded everything else he had to say
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
In message <ndm7jjFpsutU1@mid.individual.net>, Timatmarford <tim@marford.uk.com> writes
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
I've got one like that on my security light. The alternative was to wire
it across the switch.
I think as it is it might fail a Megger test.
Brian
My daughter's flat has failed an EICR because the wiring to 20 GU10 down lighters, with LED bulbs, is faulty. The single insulation red and black wires are exposed-a but the outer sheath has not been continued into the bulb holder. Now I know if a three pin plug is wired such that the whole cable is not in the clamp is a failure as live and neutral single
insulated conductors are exposed and could be touched but I thought it
was alright if there was a secondary safety cover, like a meter box door prevents access to the single insulated meter tails. These exposed
single insulated conductors are only accessible if the units are pried
from the ceiling-+
It's an expensive repair as the GU10 fittings are unable to accept the
full flex, so they will all have to be replaced. The chap who carried
out the test wants -u700.
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
David Wade wrote:He posted last week ...
Gone to Norway with the parrots I fear...
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
no idea.
On 07/08/2026 07:24, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
David Wade wrote:He posted last week ...
Gone to Norway with the parrots I fear...
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
no idea.
Working in Bradford for the school holidays.
Long shifts.
Lots going on (everyone has a brother) asbestos everywhere, dementia
cases diagnosed for the elderly, had a nice trip to Scarborough to watch Jasper Carrott, tickets booked for Peter Kay and Jim Davidson. Bill
Wright sends his best wishes (on holiday with Helen) etc etc
Email me
Adam
On 06/08/2026 21:59, AJH wrote:
My daughter's flat has failed an EICR because the wiring to 20 GU10
down lighters, with LED bulbs, is faulty. The single insulation red
and black wires are exposed-a but the outer sheath has not been
continued into the bulb holder. Now I know if a three pin plug is
wired such that the whole cable is not in the clamp is a failure as
live and neutral single insulated conductors are exposed and could be
touched but I thought it was alright if there was a secondary safety
cover, like a meter box door prevents access to the single insulated
meter tails. These exposed single insulated conductors are only
accessible if the units are pried from the ceiling-+
It's an expensive repair as the GU10 fittings are unable to accept the
full flex, so they will all have to be replaced. The chap who carried
out the test wants -u700.
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
Email me
Adam
On 07/08/2026 17:17, brian wrote:
In message <ndm7jjFpsutU1@mid.individual.net>, Timatmarford
<tim@marford.uk.com> writes
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
I've got one like that on my security light. The alternative was to
wire it across the switch.
Er.. the purpose of the Neon was to alert the catering dept. that they
had left the Pantry light on rather than off:-)>
On 07/08/2026 07:24, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
David Wade wrote:He posted last week ...
Gone to Norway with the parrots I fear...
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
no idea.
Working in Bradford for the school holidays.
Long shifts.
Lots going on (everyone has a brother) asbestos everywhere, dementia
cases diagnosed for the elderly, had a nice trip to Scarborough to watch Jasper Carrott, tickets booked for Peter Kay and Jim Davidson. Bill
Wright sends his best wishes (on holiday with Helen) etc etc
--My brother has terminal asbestosis - after working all his life
Adam
My brother has terminal asbestosis - after working all his life
as a teacher. Work that one out. Must have been all those buildings
flung up in a hurry between 1945 and 1970, with storage heaters
full of asbestos insulation.
On 07/08/2026 20:55, Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/08/2026 17:17, brian wrote:
In message <ndm7jjFpsutU1@mid.individual.net>, Timatmarford
<tim@marford.uk.com> writes
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
I've got one like that on my security light. The alternative was to
wire it across the switch.
Er.. the purpose of the Neon was to alert the catering dept. that they
had left the Pantry light on rather than off:-)>
Why not fit one of those staircase timer switches that you press
for on and after a short while it turns off.
Or have a ball and fit a PIR to detect movement in the pantry
(though this might catch you out if you resort to late-night
'tasting)
On 08/08/2026 07:34, ARW wrote:
On 07/08/2026 07:24, Andy Burns wrote:My brother has terminal asbestosis - after working all his life
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
David Wade wrote:He posted last week ...
Gone to Norway with the parrots I fear...
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
no idea.
Working in Bradford for the school holidays.
Long shifts.
Lots going on (everyone has a brother) asbestos everywhere, dementia
cases diagnosed for the elderly, had a nice trip to Scarborough to
watch Jasper Carrott, tickets booked for Peter Kay and Jim Davidson.
Bill Wright sends his best wishes (on holiday with Helen) etc etc
--
Adam
as a teacher. Work that one out. Must have been all those buildings
flung up in a hurry between 1945 and 1970, with storage heaters
full of asbestos insulation.
Timatmarford wrote
brian wrote
Timatmarford <tim@marford.uk.com> wrote
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no >>>> Neutral available!>
I've got one like that on my security light. The alternative was to
wire it across the switch.
Er.. the purpose of the Neon was to alert the catering dept. that they
had left the Pantry light on rather than off:-)>
Why not fit one of those staircase timer switches that you press
for on and after a short while it turns off.
Or have a ball and fit a PIR to detect movement in the pantry
(though this might catch you out if you resort to late-night--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
'tasting)
On 07/08/2026 11:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/08/2026 22:48, Theo wrote:
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR?-a Is it say a rental, or up for >>>>> sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'.-a Cheaper to get another EICR than
spend
the 700 quid.-a If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now you
know
how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to grip
the
cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a
single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch.-a In the >>> EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having a
cable
grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
suitable for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because
they were, I disregarded everything else he had to say
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/08/2026 11:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Colour me confused. If the neon is to indicate that a cupboard light was
On 06/08/2026 22:48, Theo wrote:
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR?-a Is it say a rental, or up >>>>>> for
sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'.-a Cheaper to get another EICR
than spend
the 700 quid.-a If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now you >>>> know
how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to
grip the
cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a
single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch.-a In >>>> the
EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having
a cable
grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
suitable for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because
they were, I disregarded everything else he had to say
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
on then why not connect an indicator across the cupboard light, or fit a
PIR to the light to remove the problem ... or replace the bulb with one
that has an integral PIR?
Dumping a couple of mA into the CPC isn't a wonderful idea.
Maybe not but it avoids replacing a cable buried in plaster. My
electrician had used twin+E (suitably colour coded) to connect to the switch.
On 09/08/2026 22:58, Timatmarford wrote:
Maybe not but it avoids replacing a cable buried in plaster. My
electrician had used twin+E (suitably colour coded) to connect to the
switch.
Aha. An interesting conundrum.
Easy enough to rig the neon to illuminate when the device is OFF...
... I'd be inclined to reposition the other end of the wire so that the 'earth' wire was in fact connected to neutral...especially if the switch
were plastic with no earth point...
On 09/08/2026 18:09, Sparky wrote:
Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/08/2026 11:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Colour me confused. If the neon is to indicate that a cupboard light
On 06/08/2026 22:48, Theo wrote:
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR?-a Is it say a rental, or >>>>>>> up for
sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'.-a Cheaper to get another EICR
than spend
the 700 quid.-a If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now
you know
how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to
grip the
cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a
single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch.
In the
EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having >>>>> a cable
grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
suitable for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because
they were, I disregarded everything else he had to say
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
was on then why not connect an indicator across the cupboard light, or
fit a PIR to the light to remove the problem ... or replace the bulb
with one that has an integral PIR?
Dumping a couple of mA into the CPC isn't a wonderful idea.
Maybe not but it avoids replacing a cable buried in plaster. My
electrician had used twin+E (suitably colour coded) to connect to the switch.
Timatmarford wrote:
On 09/08/2026 18:09, Sparky wrote:Have a look here: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bulb+with+integral+pir
Timatmarford wrote:
On 07/08/2026 11:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Colour me confused. If the neon is to indicate that a cupboard light
On 06/08/2026 22:48, Theo wrote:
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR?-a Is it say a rental, or >>>>>>>> up for
sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'.-a Cheaper to get another EICR >>>>>> than spend
the 700 quid.-a If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now >>>>>> you know
how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to
grip the
cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a >>>>>> single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch.
In the
EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not
having a cable
grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
suitable for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because >>>>> they were, I disregarded everything else he had to say
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no
Neutral available!>
was on then why not connect an indicator across the cupboard light,
or fit a PIR to the light to remove the problem ... or replace the
bulb with one that has an integral PIR?
Dumping a couple of mA into the CPC isn't a wonderful idea.
Maybe not but it avoids replacing a cable buried in plaster. My
electrician had used twin+E (suitably colour coded) to connect to the
switch.
Timatmarford wrote:
On 09/08/2026 18:09, Sparky wrote:
Timatmarford wrote:Maybe not but it avoids replacing a cable buried in plaster. My
On 07/08/2026 11:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Colour me confused. If the neon is to indicate that a cupboard light
On 06/08/2026 22:48, Theo wrote:
AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote:I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not
On 06/08/2026 22:20, Theo wrote:
What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?
What was the reason for doing the EICR? Is it say a rental, or >>>>>>>> up for
sale?
Potentially either.
I think I would go 'EICR shopping'. Cheaper to get another EICR >>>>>> than spend
the 700 quid. If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now >>>>>> you know
how they make their money.
All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to >>>>>> grip the
cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a >>>>>> single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch. >>>>>> In the
EICR they got:
* 4no downlights not fire rated
* Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
* Switch wires no identified
which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.
Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having >>>>>> a cable
grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.
Theo
suitable for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because >>>>> they were, I disregarded everything else he had to say
I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I
returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no >>>> Neutral available!>
was on then why not connect an indicator across the cupboard light, or >>> fit a PIR to the light to remove the problem ... or replace the bulb
with one that has an integral PIR?
Dumping a couple of mA into the CPC isn't a wonderful idea.
electrician had used twin+E (suitably colour coded) to connect to the
switch.
Have a look here:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bulb+with+integral+pir
On 08/08/2026 07:22, ARW wrote:
On 06/08/2026 21:59, AJH wrote:
My daughter's flat has failed an EICR because the wiring to 20 GU10
down lighters, with LED bulbs, is faulty. The single insulation red
and black wires are exposed-a but the outer sheath has not been
continued into the bulb holder. Now I know if a three pin plug is
wired such that the whole cable is not in the clamp is a failure as
live and neutral single insulated conductors are exposed and could be
touched but I thought it was alright if there was a secondary safety
cover, like a meter box door prevents access to the single insulated
meter tails. These exposed single insulated conductors are only
accessible if the units are pried from the ceiling-+
It's an expensive repair as the GU10 fittings are unable to accept
the full flex, so they will all have to be replaced. The chap who
carried out the test wants -u700.
Where's ADW when I want him ;-)
Email me
Adam
He said ADW...???
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