• Re: Dipped headlights

    From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 13:37:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 13:00:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 06/08/2026 12:42, Scott wrote:
    A very odd thing happened to me when I was driving late at night on
    Tuesday. Three HGVs flashed their headlights at me, but no cars. I
    definitely did not drive on full beam into oncoming traffic on three
    occasions. When I looked at the headlights they seemed okay though
    quite bright as the bulbs have recently been replaced. What set of
    circumstances could affect an HGV driver but not a car driver? Is it
    possible there is a stray beam pointing upwards? I think I'll take it
    to the MOT station and ask him to check.

    Although I've never heard of it and it /shouldn't/ be possible, have the >bulbs been put in upside-down, so that when on "dipped" it's the
    complete opposite?

    That's an interesting thought. Also, the side light is in the the same
    unit above the headlight so I wondered if it could be misaligned. Can
    I easily check [both possibilities] or should this be a trip to the
    installer?
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 13:57:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/08/2026 13:37, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 13:00:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 06/08/2026 12:42, Scott wrote:
    A very odd thing happened to me when I was driving late at night on
    Tuesday. Three HGVs flashed their headlights at me, but no cars. I
    definitely did not drive on full beam into oncoming traffic on three
    occasions. When I looked at the headlights they seemed okay though
    quite bright as the bulbs have recently been replaced. What set of
    circumstances could affect an HGV driver but not a car driver? Is it
    possible there is a stray beam pointing upwards? I think I'll take it
    to the MOT station and ask him to check.

    Although I've never heard of it and it /shouldn't/ be possible, have the
    bulbs been put in upside-down, so that when on "dipped" it's the
    complete opposite?

    That's an interesting thought. Also, the side light is in the the same
    unit above the headlight so I wondered if it could be misaligned. Can
    I easily check [both possibilities] or should this be a trip to the installer?

    Is the side light one of those bright daylight-running leds? Perhaps it
    is misaligned.

    Not sure how I'd check, other than at night put the main beam on a
    couple of metres from a wall, and put a mark where the centre of the
    beam is on the wall. Then switch to dipped beam and repeat. If it's
    above the main beam mark /something/ is wrong. It might require a trip
    to the dealer if it needs adjusting. However, my Jazz has a control on
    the dash whereby if you've got a heavy weight in the back you can turn a
    knob so the headlight points further down, counteracting the tendency of
    the back to be lower down and the front higher up.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 14:04:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Jeff Layman wrote:

    my Jazz has a control on the dash whereby if you've got a heavy weight
    in the back you can turn a knob so the headlight points further down

    Most cars tend to be auto-levelling now, I believe it's mandatory (along
    with headlight washers) above a certain brightness?

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  • From nib@news@ingram-bromley.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 14:20:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 2026-08-06 13:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 06/08/2026 13:37, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 13:00:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 06/08/2026 12:42, Scott wrote:
    A very odd thing happened to me when I was driving late at night on
    Tuesday. Three HGVs flashed their headlights at me, but no cars. I
    definitely did not drive on full beam into oncoming traffic on three
    occasions. When I looked at the headlights they seemed okay though
    quite bright as the bulbs have recently been replaced. What set of
    circumstances could affect an HGV driver but not a car driver? Is it
    possible there is a stray beam pointing upwards? I think I'll take it
    to the MOT station and ask him to check.

    Although I've never heard of it and it /shouldn't/ be possible, have the >>> bulbs been put in upside-down, so that when on "dipped" it's the
    complete opposite?

    That's an interesting thought. Also, the side light is in the the same
    unit above the headlight so I wondered if it could be misaligned. Can
    I easily check [both possibilities] or should this be a trip to the
    installer?

    Is the side light one of those bright daylight-running leds? Perhaps it
    is misaligned.

    Not sure how I'd check, other than at night put the main beam on a
    couple of metres from a wall, and put a mark where the centre of the
    beam is on the wall. Then switch to dipped beam and repeat. If it's
    above the main beam mark /something/ is wrong. It might require a trip
    to the dealer if it needs adjusting. However, my Jazz has a control on
    the dash whereby if you've got a heavy weight in the back you can turn a knob so the headlight points further down, counteracting the tendency of
    the back to be lower down and the front higher up.


    If you park on the level and shine your dipped headlights at a wall or
    your garage door you should be able to see the point of intersection of
    the two linear cut-offs in the beam, one rising off to the left (the
    part of the beam that illuminates signs to your left) and the other
    falling less steeply to the right (to keep your beam out of the eyes of oncoming drivers). That point of intersection should be pretty much at
    the same height as your headlamps and straight ahead.

    If you get that pattern, the bulb is not in upside down!

    nib
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 15:09:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/08/2026 14:04, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Layman wrote:

    my Jazz has a control on the dash whereby if you've got a heavy weight
    in the back you can turn a knob so the headlight points further down

    Most cars tend to be auto-levelling now, I believe it's mandatory (along
    with headlight washers) above a certain brightness?

    Not mandatory, but they must operate correctly:
    "Vehicles with high intensity discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam
    headlamps may be fitted with a suspension or headlamp self-levelling
    system. If these systems have been fitted, they must work." (<https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/4-lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment>)
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 15:09:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/08/2026 14:20, nib wrote:
    On 2026-08-06 13:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 06/08/2026 13:37, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 13:00:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 06/08/2026 12:42, Scott wrote:
    A very odd thing happened to me when I was driving late at night on
    Tuesday. Three HGVs flashed their headlights at me, but no cars. I
    definitely did not drive on full beam into oncoming traffic on three >>>>> occasions. When I looked at the headlights they seemed okay though
    quite bright as the bulbs have recently been replaced. What set of
    circumstances could affect an HGV driver but not a car driver? Is it >>>>> possible there is a stray beam pointing upwards? I think I'll take it >>>>> to the MOT station and ask him to check.

    Although I've never heard of it and it /shouldn't/ be possible, have the >>>> bulbs been put in upside-down, so that when on "dipped" it's the
    complete opposite?

    That's an interesting thought. Also, the side light is in the the same
    unit above the headlight so I wondered if it could be misaligned. Can
    I easily check [both possibilities] or should this be a trip to the
    installer?

    Is the side light one of those bright daylight-running leds? Perhaps it
    is misaligned.

    Not sure how I'd check, other than at night put the main beam on a
    couple of metres from a wall, and put a mark where the centre of the
    beam is on the wall. Then switch to dipped beam and repeat. If it's
    above the main beam mark /something/ is wrong. It might require a trip
    to the dealer if it needs adjusting. However, my Jazz has a control on
    the dash whereby if you've got a heavy weight in the back you can turn a
    knob so the headlight points further down, counteracting the tendency of
    the back to be lower down and the front higher up.


    If you park on the level and shine your dipped headlights at a wall or
    your garage door you should be able to see the point of intersection of
    the two linear cut-offs in the beam, one rising off to the left (the
    part of the beam that illuminates signs to your left) and the other
    falling less steeply to the right (to keep your beam out of the eyes of oncoming drivers). That point of intersection should be pretty much at
    the same height as your headlamps and straight ahead.

    If you get that pattern, the bulb is not in upside down!

    There seems to be a lot more involved with headlamp beams. See <https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/4-lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment>.
    It also includes requirements for dipped beams.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 15:53:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 13:57:41 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 06/08/2026 13:37, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 13:00:42 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 06/08/2026 12:42, Scott wrote:
    A very odd thing happened to me when I was driving late at night on
    Tuesday. Three HGVs flashed their headlights at me, but no cars. I
    definitely did not drive on full beam into oncoming traffic on three
    occasions. When I looked at the headlights they seemed okay though
    quite bright as the bulbs have recently been replaced. What set of
    circumstances could affect an HGV driver but not a car driver? Is it
    possible there is a stray beam pointing upwards? I think I'll take it
    to the MOT station and ask him to check.

    Although I've never heard of it and it /shouldn't/ be possible, have the >>> bulbs been put in upside-down, so that when on "dipped" it's the
    complete opposite?

    That's an interesting thought. Also, the side light is in the the same
    unit above the headlight so I wondered if it could be misaligned. Can
    I easily check [both possibilities] or should this be a trip to the
    installer?

    Is the side light one of those bright daylight-running leds? Perhaps it
    is misaligned.

    2008 technology - Nissan Micra. Could the garage have fitted
    unsuitable bulbs (LED in place of halogen)?
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Aug 6 15:57:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Scott wrote:

    2008 technology - Nissan Micra. Could the garage have fitted
    unsuitable bulbs (LED in place of halogen)?

    can you see any (E) markings on them?

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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.d-i-y on Fri Aug 7 14:47:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 06/08/2026 13:00, Andy Burns wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    A very odd thing happened to me when I was driving late at night on
    Tuesday. Three HGVs flashed their headlights at me, but no cars.
    My newish car has LED headights, where the lights are split into
    multiple zones and when put into "auto dipping" mode it can dip the
    zones independently.

    I was sceptical about using the autodip feature, but I did test it out
    one night, it feels very odd leaving full beam on, and not worrying
    about oncoming traffic, but you can see it adjusting the lights and no
    cars at all flashed me for it.

    However I do remember when I was at the bottom of a hill, and a lorry
    was coming down the hill towards me, it flashed me at quite a long
    distance, so probably something about the raised cab height can mean
    lorries notice high-beams more than cars?-a I haven't used the auto-dip
    much (at all?) since the night I tested it ...
    I find that auto dip/high mostly works "as it says on the tin" though I
    agree it takes a leap of faith to leave the switch in a position that
    gives you a high beam and *hope* that it dips when there is an oncoming car.

    Occasionally it fails to dip as quickly as I would, and more often it
    fails to put the beam back to high position the instant that the
    oncoming car has passed so there is a scary moment when the road ahead
    is not illuminated as far into the distance as I would like.

    I tend to use manual dip because I can guarantee that it will change
    when I want.

    There are two different actions on the stalk which dips the headlights, depending on car. My Peugeot toggles between dip and high beam, by
    pulling the stalk towards you as if you were flashing the headlights.
    That means that the stalk is always in the same rest position
    irrespective of dip/high setting.

    My wife's Honda has two different positions (one closer to the wheel,
    one further away) and I often find that I waste valuable milliseconds
    (though it feels longer) trying to find the stalk by feel without taking
    my eyes off the road, when I want to change between dip and high, or
    when I want to indicate. I much prefer the "Peugeot toggle" arrangement.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Fri Aug 7 21:32:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 15:57:22 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    2008 technology - Nissan Micra. Could the garage have fitted
    unsuitable bulbs (LED in place of halogen)?

    can you see any (E) markings on them?

    According to the video I watched, they are very fiddly to get out.
    I'll probably speak to the installer (who is an MOT tester) and ask
    the direct question.

    I had forgotten the levelling control and have changed this from 0 to
    3 to see if this makes a difference.
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