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    From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 12:38:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station;
    the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?
    --
    Spike
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  • From N_Cook@diverse@tcp.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 14:01:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Our local metman/oceanographer was suspicious of the Southampton 1976
    record and then the new provisional Gosport one got him thinking .

    "Looking at how the temperatures peaked at the Coastwatch stations
    around the Solent it looks like the cause may indeed be the Isle of
    Wight, but not due to a foehn effect (the hills are too low). It seems
    to be due to the area of the IoW being enough to modify the sea breeze.
    Thus in a case where temperatures would peak along the South coast
    rather than inland (presumably due to differential advection from
    Europe) but do not because of moderation by the sea breeze, the latter
    is suppressed along the mainland coast of the Solent by the IoW. Then
    add in the city heat island effect for places like Gosport/Portsmouth
    and Southampton and you get a peak temperature."
    Seems plausible

    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station; the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

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  • From Jethro@jethro_UK@hotmailbin.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 13:22:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 12:38:55 +0000, Spike wrote:

    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all
    places, in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects
    of airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double-
    and single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather
    station; the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2 Temperature B Rainfall B Wind C Urban Climate
    Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures,
    one wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this
    alleged record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    The revolution in the availability of smart kit means there must be tens
    if not hundreds of thousands of external measurements all over the UK. Admittedly indicative rather than definitive, but overall enought to give
    a very good picture.

    Yesterday in Brum, my external shaded sensor peaked at 34.1C I have
    records going back at 5 minute intervals to October 2024. I have the same
    for each room in the house too. Which shows (for example) that when I got
    up this morning and opened all the external doors the cross draught
    cooled the lounge by 1C in a couple of minutes.
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  • From TimW@timw@nomailta.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 14:31:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't
    all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/ roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may
    as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual weather.

    TW
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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 13:37:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25 Jun 2026 at 14:31:41 BST, "TimW" <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:

    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't
    all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/ roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may
    as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual weather.

    TW

    To be fair, if the temperature were actually taken inside an oven one might quibble. Short of that, I agree, the temperature is the temperature where actual people are to be found. Subject to the usual screening from direct sunlight, etc.
    --

    Roger Hayter
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  • From TimW@timw@nomailta.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 14:56:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 14:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 25 Jun 2026 at 14:31:41 BST, "TimW" <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:

    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't
    all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/
    roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may
    as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual weather. >>
    TW

    To be fair, if the temperature were actually taken inside an oven one might quibble. Short of that, I agree, the temperature is the temperature where actual people are to be found. Subject to the usual screening from direct sunlight, etc.


    I think the old British standard was that louvred box, a certain height
    off the ground, shaded, ventilated.

    TW
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 14:14:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    TimW <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:
    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't
    all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/ roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may
    as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual weather.

    TW

    Certainly, the current level of temperatures is caused in part by other
    means than just saying It AinrCOt Arf Ot, Mum.

    The mechanism was explained in a BBC TV weather forecast during the last heatwave, but for some reason the BBC have now stopped mentioning it.

    A handful of years ago a temperature record in Europe was broken. Some time later it emerged that the site in question was located in an urban heat
    island, and also the thermometer was out of calibration and was due to be replaced.

    A few km away the temperatures were some 3degC lower, but by then werCOd had all the now-unjustified climate hype.
    --
    Spike
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 14:14:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:

    Our local metman/oceanographer was suspicious of the Southampton 1976
    record and then the new provisional Gosport one got him thinking .

    "Looking at how the temperatures peaked at the Coastwatch stations
    around the Solent it looks like the cause may indeed be the Isle of
    Wight, but not due to a foehn effect (the hills are too low). It seems
    to be due to the area of the IoW being enough to modify the sea breeze.
    Thus in a case where temperatures would peak along the South coast
    rather than inland (presumably due to differential advection from
    Europe) but do not because of moderation by the sea breeze, the latter
    is suppressed along the mainland coast of the Solent by the IoW. Then
    add in the city heat island effect for places like Gosport/Portsmouth
    and Southampton and you get a peak temperature."
    Seems plausible

    ThatrCOs interesting, thanks for posting.

    IrCOll keep an eye out, but if the MetO pronounce on the veracity of this reading and I donrCOt see it, would you mind posting a link?

    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the
    rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a >> proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and >> single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station; >> the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO >> until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one
    wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged
    record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?



    --
    Spike
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  • From Jim the Geordie@jim@geordieland.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 16:52:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    In article <111jc20$3qj3g$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...

    On 25/06/2026 14:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 25 Jun 2026 at 14:31:41 BST, "TimW" <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:

    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't
    all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/
    roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may
    as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual weather. >>
    TW

    To be fair, if the temperature were actually taken inside an oven one might quibble. Short of that, I agree, the temperature is the temperature where actual people are to be found. Subject to the usual screening from direct sunlight, etc.


    I think the old British standard was that louvred box, a certain height
    off the ground, shaded, ventilated.

    TW

    The 'Stevenson Screen'. Still the definitive method of recording
    weather, AFAIK. If it has been superseded, fair enough, but all compared readings should be from that or it's replacement assuming it has been installed correctly in the first place.
    --
    Jim the Geordie
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  • From Pamela@pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 17:42:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 14:31 25 Jun 2026, TimW said:
    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:


    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there
    weren't all these buildings/trees/expanses of
    water/fields/runways/car parks/ roofs/hills/whatever. That is what
    the whole of the UK is like. You may as well say the reading is
    invalid because it's caused by unusual weather.

    TW

    It's not quite that simple.

    I have an outdoor wireless thermometer whose readings would be affected by
    its immediate location, even if it gave the temperature accurately.

    I live on a hillside, so the back of the house is subject to cold air
    settling and gets trapped in way which prevents it rolling down the hill.

    I want the reading to reflect what I would feel if I walked outdoors (not
    the ground temperature) so the device is mounted about 5 feet up, on a
    handy washing line pole.
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  • From N_Cook@diverse@tcp.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 19:26:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 17:42, Pamela wrote:
    On 14:31 25 Jun 2026, TimW said:
    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:


    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there
    weren't all these buildings/trees/expanses of
    water/fields/runways/car parks/ roofs/hills/whatever. That is what
    the whole of the UK is like. You may as well say the reading is
    invalid because it's caused by unusual weather.

    TW

    It's not quite that simple.

    I have an outdoor wireless thermometer whose readings would be affected by its immediate location, even if it gave the temperature accurately.

    I live on a hillside, so the back of the house is subject to cold air settling and gets trapped in way which prevents it rolling down the hill.

    I want the reading to reflect what I would feel if I walked outdoors (not
    the ground temperature) so the device is mounted about 5 feet up, on a
    handy washing line pole.


    Perhaps you should bury the themometer in a block of ballistic gel, in a cotton bag, to simulate a human body.
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  • From TimW@timw@nomailta.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 22:27:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 17:42, Pamela wrote:
    On 14:31 25 Jun 2026, TimW said:
    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:


    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there
    weren't all these buildings/trees/expanses of
    water/fields/runways/car parks/ roofs/hills/whatever. That is what
    the whole of the UK is like. You may as well say the reading is
    invalid because it's caused by unusual weather.

    TW

    It's not quite that simple.

    I have an outdoor wireless thermometer whose readings would be affected by its immediate location, even if it gave the temperature accurately.

    I live on a hillside, so the back of the house is subject to cold air settling and gets trapped in way which prevents it rolling down the hill.

    I want the reading to reflect what I would feel if I walked outdoors (not
    the ground temperature) so the device is mounted about 5 feet up, on a
    handy washing line pole.

    You are right.
    I simplified it for Spike, hoping he would understand.
    TW
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  • From jkn@jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 22:32:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 16:52, Jim the Geordie wrote:
    In article <111jc20$3qj3g$1@dont-email.me>, timw@nomailta.co.uk says...

    On 25/06/2026 14:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 25 Jun 2026 at 14:31:41 BST, "TimW" <timw@nomailta.co.uk> wrote:

    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't >>>> all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/
    roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may >>>> as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual weather. >>>>
    TW

    To be fair, if the temperature were actually taken inside an oven one might >>> quibble. Short of that, I agree, the temperature is the temperature where >>> actual people are to be found. Subject to the usual screening from direct >>> sunlight, etc.


    I think the old British standard was that louvred box, a certain height
    off the ground, shaded, ventilated.

    TW

    The 'Stevenson Screen'. Still the definitive method of recording
    weather, AFAIK. If it has been superseded, fair enough, but all compared readings should be from that or it's replacement assuming it has been installed correctly in the first place.

    This sort of thing was mentioned on a BBC report I heard earlier today -
    one reason for the delay in any announcement is due to the setup of the Stevenson screen etc being checked as correct. Some of these scientists
    do know what they are doing, you see...

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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 21:43:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station; the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three
    major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?
    --
    Spike
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  • From TimW@timw@nomailta.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jun 25 23:27:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 22:43, Spike wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the
    rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a >> proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and >> single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station; >> the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO >> until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one
    wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged
    record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?


    Merryfield, deep in the Somerset countryside, miles from any urban concentration of tarmac and steel roofs, well off to the side of an
    airfield which is 95% grass...

    ...you are a right wing Farage loving moron

    TW
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  • From RJH@patchmoney@gmx.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 05:31:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25 Jun 2026 at 23:27:19 BST, TimW wrote:

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station
    Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three
    major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either airfields, >> airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?

    That one is at a country location - look it up. And if you don't know (did you miss that class?), why don't you ask the met office? Might be nice to touch base with your fellow climate scientists.

    I did ask them when I used to use their data, and got a detailed reply. A couple of weather stations were in quite 'challenging' locations and I
    wondered how they dealt with it. Can't remember the exact reply but it was something to do with weighting.
    --
    Cheers, Rob
    Sheffield, UK
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 07:43:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 25 Jun 2026 at 23:27:19 BST, TimW wrote:

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station
    Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three >>> major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either airfields, >>> airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?

    That one is at a country location - look it up. And if you don't know (did you
    miss that class?), why don't you ask the met office? Might be nice to touch base with your fellow climate scientists.

    I did ask them when I used to use their data, and got a detailed reply. A couple of weather stations were in quite 'challenging' locations and I wondered how they dealt with it. Can't remember the exact reply but it was something to do with weighting.

    AhrCaweightingrCaadd a little weighting hererCatake off a little weighting thererCaand you can change rCyglobal warmingrCO into rCyglobal coolingrCO, or pay off
    the National Debt in half-an-hour.

    Rather like the 48 Siberian bristlecone pines that were cut down, to
    examine the effects rCyglobal warmingrCO, only one of which was chosen to rCyproverCO that rCyglobal warmingrCO existed.

    Real scientists should run with the data they have, not the data they want
    to see.

    Down in the South West, the local TV weather forecasts regularly show two
    areas that greatly exceed the forecast temperatures for the region in
    general, generally 6 to 8 degrees hotter.

    Where are these two areas?

    Yes! Exeter airport and Yeovilton Naval Air Station.

    Is the following true, partly true, or right-wing denier lies?

    rCLLast August, the Daily Sceptic drew attention to the UK Met Office
    inventing temperature data at its fictitious rCyopenrCO weather station at Lowestoft.

    Figures were said to be compiled from rCLwell-correlated neighbouring stationsrCY, but research by citizen sleuth Ray Sanders found there were no such operations within a 40-mile radius.

    At the time, the Daily Sceptic referred to the matter as a rCLsmoking gunrCY and said that unless the Met Office could finally reveal its workings out, rCLthe only realistic conclusion to draw is that the data are inventedrCY.

    No explanation has been provided but in a shock unannounced move the Met
    Office has now withdrawn all the Lowestoft data from its historical record
    back to when the site closed in 2010. Similar withdrawals of data have also occurred in the stations at Nairm Druim and Paisley.rCY

    Or thererCOs thisrCa

    rCLCold weather payments are automatically paid to those on a number of means-tested benefits and triggered by seven days of average temperatures
    below 0oC. (A different system is used in Scotland.)

    Temperature measurements are taken from 63 Met Office stations in England
    and Wales but over half of these sites have internationally recognised rCyuncertaintiesrCO of between 2-#C and 5-#C. [!!!!!]

    Payments in the rural areas around Sheffield depend on readings from a City-based site where the station is rated Class 5 by the World
    Meteorological Organisation (WMO) with a 5-#C margin of error. [!!!!!]

    The site, which is by the A57, is blanketed with urban heat corruption and
    will record much higher temperatures than those found in the surrounding
    Peak District.rCY

    More denier lies?
    --
    Spike
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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 08:53:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 22:43, Spike wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the
    rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a >> proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and >> single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station; >> the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO >> until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one
    wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged
    record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?


    Actually because that is where most of the weather stations are. Flying
    needs accurate weather so as far as I know every airbase or airport has
    a weather station.

    Its pointless saying its influenced by the tarmac, its likely every
    record from the past was influenced by tarmac, so it might be a little
    higher than the surroundings, but so were all the previous records....

    Dave




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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 09:45:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 22:43, Spike wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the
    rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a >> proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and >> single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station; >> the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO >> until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one
    wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged
    record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?


    No thermometers out in the cuntry
    --
    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
    rule.
    rCo H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 09:49:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 06:31, RJH wrote:
    That one is at a country location - look it up. And if you don't know (did you
    miss that class?), why don't you ask the met office? Might be nice to touch base with your fellow climate scientists.

    At, Typical country. 10 feet from a tarmacked taxiway and surrounded by
    bare earth.

    Sort of place adders come out to sunbathe, it's so hot.
    --
    Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 10:00:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 08:53, David Wade wrote:
    On 25/06/2026 22:43, Spike wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all
    places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked-a breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the >>> rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a >>> proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by
    double- and
    single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather
    station;
    the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure-a-a-a 2
    Temperature-a-a-a B
    Rainfall-a-a-a B
    Wind-a-a-a C
    Urban Climate Zone-a-a-a 5
    Reporting Hours-a-a-a-a-a C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO >>> until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures,
    one
    wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this
    alleged
    record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station
    Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three
    major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either
    airfields,
    airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?


    Actually because that is where most of the weather stations are. Flying needs accurate weather so as far as I know every airbase or airport has
    a weather station.

    Flying needs to know air temperature and hence lift, over the runway.
    Not some arbitrary rural location.

    Woods can make a couple of degrees difference. Just as asphalt or bare
    earth can.

    Pilots learn to recognise 'sink' when crossing a band of woods



    Its pointless saying its influenced by the tarmac, its likely every
    record from the past was influenced by tarmac, so it might be a little higher than the surroundings, but so were all the previous records....

    Dave

    I doubt records from 1860 would be.
    Whilst its almost certainly true that te world is (for wajhetver reason,
    or none at alkl) warming up a tad., its neoither very excessive nor oin
    any way accuirately known my how much.


    But there is more.
    AIUI the 'average' temperature is (the daily max + they daily min) /2

    Old fashioned min/max mercury thermometers took minutes to respond to a
    sharp temperature spike. Modern digital respond almost constantly

    A jet spooling up half a mile away can project a hot exhaust....

    Whilst its almost certainly true that the world is (for whatever reason,
    or none at all*) warming up a tad., its neither very excessive nor in
    any way accurately known by how much.

    Its a lot easier to say 'global/national average' than it is to define
    exactly what that means.

    And even harder to accurately measure it





    --
    Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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  • From Indy Jess John@bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 10:57:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 14:31, TimW wrote:
    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't
    all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/ roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may
    as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual weather.

    TW

    I read something a few months ago where a meteorologist explained that
    when weather stations were first set up they were placed in open
    countryside. Gradually over time urban sprawl had replace countryside
    by roads and buildings which absorb and re-radiate previous heat.

    He managed to find some weather stations that were still in open
    countryside (Green belts have their uses) and compare them with others
    not far way but now in urban heat islands, and the difference in maximum temperature reading was considerable.

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  • From Handsome Jack@jack@handsome.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 10:10:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 10:57:19 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

    On 25/06/2026 14:31, TimW wrote:
    On 25/06/2026 13:38, Spike wrote:
    [snipped rubbish]

    The temperature is the temperature.
    It is what it reads on the thermometer.

    It's no good saying the temperature would be different if there weren't
    all these buildings/trees/expanses of water/fields/runways/car parks/
    roofs/hills/whatever. That is what the whole of the UK is like. You may
    as well say the reading is invalid because it's caused by unusual
    weather.

    TW

    I read something a few months ago where a meteorologist explained that
    when weather stations were first set up they were placed in open
    countryside. Gradually over time urban sprawl had replace countryside
    by roads and buildings which absorb and re-radiate previous heat.

    He managed to find some weather stations that were still in open
    countryside (Green belts have their uses) and compare them with others
    not far way but now in urban heat islands, and the difference in maximum temperature reading was considerable.

    He must have been in right-wing oil company pay. Stands to reason.
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 11:09:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:

    I read something a few months ago where a meteorologist explained that
    when weather stations were first set up they were placed in open countryside. Gradually over time urban sprawl had replace countryside
    by roads and buildings which absorb and re-radiate previous heat.

    He managed to find some weather stations that were still in open
    countryside (Green belts have their uses) and compare them with others
    not far way but now in urban heat islands, and the difference in maximum temperature reading was considerable.

    Down in the South West, the local TV weather forecasts regularly show two
    areas that greatly exceed the forecast temperatures for the region in
    general, generally 6 to 8 degrees hotter.

    Where are these two areas?

    Yes! Exeter airport and Yeovilton Naval Air Station.
    --
    Spike
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  • From N_Cook@diverse@tcp.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 12:21:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 23:27, TimW wrote:
    On 25/06/2026 22:43, Spike wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all
    places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the >>> rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a >>> proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by
    double- and
    single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather
    station;
    the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO >>> until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures,
    one
    wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this
    alleged
    record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station
    Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three
    major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either
    airfields,
    airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?


    Merryfield, deep in the Somerset countryside, miles from any urban concentration of tarmac and steel roofs, well off to the side of an
    airfield which is 95% grass...

    ...you are a right wing Farage loving moron

    TW

    Wisley and Kew , gardens not the PRO, often appear in such lesser record citings, hardly tarmac deserts. But on the other hand close to a major
    urban heat island, the way Gravesend and Tilbury often get cited , being
    down wind of the same major urban heat island
    --
    Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data <http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>
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  • From Joe@joe@jretrading.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 12:34:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25 Jun 2026 21:43:00 GMT
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:



    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either
    airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country
    locations?


    Pilots need accurate temperature, pressure and wind data. They can't
    get it throughout the flight, but they can get it at both ends. Small
    planes don't have fancy radar altimeters, so they need to adjust their
    aneroid ones between takeoff and landing to keep them accurate.

    Few other people apart from the Met Office itself have a need to
    maintain an accurate weather site, so there are virtually none. There
    are a few amateur sites e.g. https://chelmervillage-weather.co.uk but
    they will not usually be accredited.
    --
    Joe

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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 12:41:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 12:21, N_Cook wrote:

    Wisley and Kew , gardens not the PRO, often appear in such lesser record citings, hardly tarmac deserts. But on the other hand close to a major
    urban heat island, the way Gravesend and Tilbury often get cited , being
    down wind of the same major urban heat island

    Downwind? The hottest weather comes off the continent from the east to
    south (usually south-east is the hottest, as it has the shortest route
    over the cooler sea). Gravesend and Tilbury get that /before/ London.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 12:56:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 12:34, Joe wrote:
    On 25 Jun 2026 21:43:00 GMT
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:



    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either
    airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country
    locations?


    Pilots need accurate temperature, pressure and wind data. They can't
    get it throughout the flight, but they can get it at both ends. Small
    planes don't have fancy radar altimeters, so they need to adjust their aneroid ones between takeoff and landing to keep them accurate.

    Few other people apart from the Met Office itself have a need to
    maintain an accurate weather site, so there are virtually none. There
    are a few amateur sites e.g. https://chelmervillage-weather.co.uk but
    they will not usually be accredited.

    There are hundreds, if not thousands, of "amateur" weather stations
    which are linked to online sites. I have one and have records with
    Ecowitt and Weathercloud. There are several others, including a Met
    Office one and Wunderground.

    Many different locations and makes of weather station are available for viewing at these websites, although you need to have an account to see
    them. Although amateur, it's interesting that viewing stations close to
    each other (let's say a dozen or so within 5 km) usually reveals
    temperature levels varying by only 1-#C.
    --
    Jeff
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 13:27:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
    On 25 Jun 2026 21:43:00 GMT
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either
    airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country
    locations?

    Pilots need accurate temperature, pressure and wind data. They can't
    get it throughout the flight, but they can get it at both ends. Small
    planes don't have fancy radar altimeters, so they need to adjust their aneroid ones between takeoff and landing to keep them accurate.

    Few other people apart from the Met Office itself have a need to
    maintain an accurate weather site, so there are virtually none. There
    are a few amateur sites e.g. https://chelmervillage-weather.co.uk but
    they will not usually be accredited.

    Having Met stations at airfields to supply weather-related flight-safety information is one thing, but claiming a new temperature record there that results from the various local heating effects is quite another.

    The two oft-quoted airfields in this region are regularly forecast to be 6
    to 8 degC warmer than other places.

    However, if it suits the climate lobby to use such data, then thatrCOs what theyrCOll do, as 97% of climate scientists donrCOt want to be defunded.
    --
    Spike
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  • From Charles Hope@clh@candehope.me.uk to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 15:00:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 25/06/2026 22:43, Spike wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    My curiosity was raised by the new temperature record set, of all places,
    in Gosport, Hampshire. I had been monitoring the usual suspects of
    airfields and airports throughout the afternoon, and none was showing
    readings that looked liked breaking records.

    Colour me surprised when the new record (provisional, of course) was
    announced, at Gosport.

    I went on the Met OfficerCOs WOW web site, and found that details on the
    rCyEnthusiastrCO Gosport weather station were very sparse indeed.

    Using the sketch map of the siterCOs location, and marrying that up with a >> proper Maps app, I located the weather station to an urban site.

    It appears to be located in a back garden, mostly surrounded by double- and >> single-storey buildings, together with solid fencing.

    I have my suspicions that this is not an ideal site for a weather station; >> the web page ratings say this:

    Exposure 2
    Temperature B
    Rainfall B
    Wind C
    Urban Climate Zone 5
    Reporting Hours C

    I understand that the temperature reading is regarded as rCyprovisionalrCO >> until the Met Office carries out checks.

    Given the amount of climate hype concerning the current temperatures, one
    wonders if the Met Office could garner the nous to downgrade this alleged
    record, if this B-rated site is found to fail its review?

    Well, the new June record was recorded at the Royal Naval Air Station Merryfield, close to a nice black-tarmac taxi-way that connects the three major runways.

    Co-ordinates from the Met Office:
    50.96047, -2.93217

    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country locations?

    because nobody lives in the country, These sites were developed before telemetry go going

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 17:54:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 10:57, Indy Jess John wrote:
    He managed to find some weather stations that were still in open
    countryside (Green belts have their uses) and compare them with others
    not far way but now in urban heat islands, and the difference in maximum temperature reading was considerable.

    I recall one statement to the effect that one station on the West coast
    of (or and island off) Scotland showed no 'global warming' whatsoever.

    To my mind aircraft in the sky, de forestation and new rabbit hutches in
    all the villages are what's making it warmer, not CO2.

    The Thanes Valley conurbation attracts thunderstorms like shit attracts
    flies.
    --
    "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
    This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
    all women"

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 18:01:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 12:09, Spike wrote:
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:

    I read something a few months ago where a meteorologist explained that
    when weather stations were first set up they were placed in open
    countryside. Gradually over time urban sprawl had replace countryside
    by roads and buildings which absorb and re-radiate previous heat.

    He managed to find some weather stations that were still in open
    countryside (Green belts have their uses) and compare them with others
    not far way but now in urban heat islands, and the difference in maximum
    temperature reading was considerable.

    Down in the South West, the local TV weather forecasts regularly show two areas that greatly exceed the forecast temperatures for the region in general, generally 6 to 8 degrees hotter.

    Where are these two areas?

    Yes! Exeter airport and Yeovilton Naval Air Station.

    Oddly enough, My two nearest airfields (Mildenhall and Lakenheath) are military and agree pretty well with what I measure locally and are two
    degrees cooler than the Cambridge Botanical Gardens

    I live about 300' ASL and that makes nearly a degree difference in winter.

    Remember the old joke?
    To reverse the effect that Britain's emissions have had on the world's temperature, buy a dachshund (or sometimes a brick) and stand on it...




    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 18:03:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 12:34, Joe wrote:
    On 25 Jun 2026 21:43:00 GMT
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:



    Can someone explain why all temperature records occur in either
    airfields, airports, or urban heat islands? And none at country
    locations?


    Pilots need accurate temperature, pressure and wind data. They can't
    get it throughout the flight, but they can get it at both ends. Small
    planes don't have fancy radar altimeters, so they need to adjust their aneroid ones between takeoff and landing to keep them accurate.

    Few other people apart from the Met Office itself have a need to
    maintain an accurate weather site, so there are virtually none. There
    are a few amateur sites e.g. https://chelmervillage-weather.co.uk but
    they will not usually be accredited.

    https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/weather/daily-graph.cgi
    They seem to max out at around 35-#C
    --
    "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight
    and understanding".

    Marshall McLuhan


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Fri Jun 26 18:04:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 26/06/2026 16:00, Charles Hope wrote:
    because nobody lives in the country,
    Fuck you
    --
    rCLIt is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
    who pay no price for being wrong.rCY

    Thomas Sowell

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