I have a Belling (never again) Cookcentre 90 DFT, with a double
eye-level grill. One grill element failed so a replacement was ordered, installed, and then after it had got to glowing red temperature, it
tripped the electric (to the kitchen, on its own RCD or whatever they're called).
Swapped it with the other grill's element. The trip happened again,
followed the element.
OK, one dud. Bought another. Same deal.
With both, they operated until they started to glow, then tripped, and
each subsequent time tripped immediately.
No problem with the older element in either grill position.
Previous element replacements have also been fine.
Measured the resistance of the elements (old and new), all the same.
Anyone got any hints or tips? (Other than a new cooker. Soon, but not yet.)
Thanks in advance.
David Paste <pastedavid@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Belling (never again) Cookcentre 90 DFT, with a double
eye-level grill. One grill element failed so a replacement was
ordered, installed, and then after it had got to glowing red
temperature, it tripped the electric (to the kitchen, on its own
RCD or whatever they're called).
Swapped it with the other grill's element. The trip happened again, followed the element.
OK, one dud. Bought another. Same deal.
With both, they operated until they started to glow, then tripped,
and each subsequent time tripped immediately.
No problem with the older element in either grill position.
Previous element replacements have also been fine.
Measured the resistance of the elements (old and new), all the same.
Anyone got any hints or tips? (Other than a new cooker. Soon, but
not yet.)
Thanks in advance.
Water-vapour ingress during transport and storage?
Try baking them dry for a few hours.
On 13 May 2026 18:13:34 GMT
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
David Paste <pastedavid@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Belling (never again) Cookcentre 90 DFT, with a double
eye-level grill. One grill element failed so a replacement was
ordered, installed, and then after it had got to glowing red
temperature, it tripped the electric (to the kitchen, on its own
RCD or whatever they're called).
Swapped it with the other grill's element. The trip happened again,
followed the element.
OK, one dud. Bought another. Same deal.
With both, they operated until they started to glow, then tripped,
and each subsequent time tripped immediately.
No problem with the older element in either grill position.
Previous element replacements have also been fine.
Measured the resistance of the elements (old and new), all the same.
Anyone got any hints or tips? (Other than a new cooker. Soon, but
not yet.)
Thanks in advance.
Water-vapour ingress during transport and storage?
Try baking them dry for a few hours.
Luckily he has an older one to provide heat, otherwise it would be like trying to find your glasses when you've lost your glasses.
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On 13 May 2026 18:13:34 GMT
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
David Paste <pastedavid@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Belling (never again) Cookcentre 90 DFT, with a double
eye-level grill. One grill element failed so a replacement was
ordered, installed, and then after it had got to glowing red
temperature, it tripped the electric (to the kitchen, on its own
RCD or whatever they're called).
Swapped it with the other grill's element. The trip happened
again, followed the element.
OK, one dud. Bought another. Same deal.
With both, they operated until they started to glow, then tripped,
and each subsequent time tripped immediately.
No problem with the older element in either grill position.
Previous element replacements have also been fine.
Measured the resistance of the elements (old and new), all the
same.
Anyone got any hints or tips? (Other than a new cooker. Soon, but
not yet.)
Thanks in advance.
Water-vapour ingress during transport and storage?
Try baking them dry for a few hours.
Luckily he has an older one to provide heat, otherwise it would be
like trying to find your glasses when you've lost your glasses.
That Belling range cooker has a top oven, main oven, and a double
eye-level grill. The OP wonrCOt be short of an oven to dry out the
grill elementsrCa
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses.
It's surprising that H&S allow them.
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety
glasses. It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
On Thu, 14 May 2026 12:08:37 +0100Or even a grill?
Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety
glasses. It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
I don't have an eye-level grille.
Besides, I buy my sausages at a local farm, where they are all
hand-made. And delicious.
On Thu, 14 May 2026 12:08:37 +0100
Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety
glasses. It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
I don't have an eye-level grille.
Besides, I buy my sausages at a local farm, where they are all
hand-made. And delicious.
On Thu, 14 May 2026 12:08:37 +0100
Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety
glasses. It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
I don't have an eye-level grille.
Besides, I buy my sausages at a local farm, where they are all
hand-made. And delicious.
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses.
It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
On 14/05/2026 12:08, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses.
It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
Cheap sausages probably have more rusk and less fat to spit :)
I've found that it's the more expensive sausages from supermarkets or
direct from a butcher with more "meat" content that can be very variable
in the amount of fat. In this household sausages and now cooked in the
air fryer and one batch will produce nearly zero fat in the bottom of
the basket while another batch a flood of fat will drip out :(
On 14 May 2026 09:32:38 GMT
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On 13 May 2026 18:13:34 GMT
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
David Paste <pastedavid@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Belling (never again) Cookcentre 90 DFT, with a double
eye-level grill. One grill element failed so a replacement was
ordered, installed, and then after it had got to glowing red
temperature, it tripped the electric (to the kitchen, on its own
RCD or whatever they're called).
Swapped it with the other grill's element. The trip happened
again, followed the element.
OK, one dud. Bought another. Same deal.
With both, they operated until they started to glow, then tripped,
and each subsequent time tripped immediately.
No problem with the older element in either grill position.
Previous element replacements have also been fine.
Measured the resistance of the elements (old and new), all the
same.
Anyone got any hints or tips? (Other than a new cooker. Soon, but
not yet.)
Thanks in advance.
Water-vapour ingress during transport and storage?
Try baking them dry for a few hours.
Luckily he has an older one to provide heat, otherwise it would be
like trying to find your glasses when you've lost your glasses.
That Belling range cooker has a top oven, main oven, and a double
eye-level grill. The OP wonrCOt be short of an oven to dry out the
grill elementsrCa
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses.
It's surprising that H&S allow them.
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses.
It's surprising that H&S allow them.
That Belling range cooker has a top oven, main oven, and a double eye-level grill. The OP wonrCOt be short of an oven to dry out the grill elementsrCa
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
Besides, I buy my sausages at a local farm, where they are all
hand-made. And delicious.
If you are tall, they spit fat at your tits instead :-)
Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
On 13 May 2026 18:13:34 GMT
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
David Paste <pastedavid@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Belling (never again) Cookcentre 90 DFT, with a double
eye-level grill. One grill element failed so a replacement was
ordered, installed, and then after it had got to glowing red
temperature, it tripped the electric (to the kitchen, on its own
RCD or whatever they're called).
Swapped it with the other grill's element. The trip happened again,
followed the element.
OK, one dud. Bought another. Same deal.
With both, they operated until they started to glow, then tripped,
and each subsequent time tripped immediately.
No problem with the older element in either grill position.
Previous element replacements have also been fine.
Measured the resistance of the elements (old and new), all the same.
Anyone got any hints or tips? (Other than a new cooker. Soon, but
not yet.)
Thanks in advance.
Water-vapour ingress during transport and storage?
Try baking them dry for a few hours.
Luckily he has an older one to provide heat, otherwise it would be like
trying to find your glasses when you've lost your glasses.
That Belling range cooker has a top oven, main oven, and a double eye-level grill. The OP wonrCOt be short of an oven to dry out the grill elementsrCa
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 14/05/2026 12:08, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat
directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses. >>>> It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
Cheap sausages probably have more rusk and less fat to spit :)
I've found that it's the more expensive sausages from supermarkets or
direct from a butcher with more "meat" content that can be very variable
in the amount of fat. In this household sausages and now cooked in the
air fryer and one batch will produce nearly zero fat in the bottom of
the basket while another batch a flood of fat will drip out :(
The NHS say this:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
The NHS say this:
Seriously, who gives a f*ck at our time of life as to what the NHS
recommends (this week) about diet? Give it a few years and it will all change.
I want to enjoy my food, not waste time worrying about how damaging itrCOs currently thought to be.
Having had two parents who lived too long, IrCOve--
no wish to follow their path.
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 14/05/2026 12:08, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat >>>>> directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses. >>>>> It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
Cheap sausages probably have more rusk and less fat to spit :)
I've found that it's the more expensive sausages from supermarkets or
direct from a butcher with more "meat" content that can be very variable >>> in the amount of fat. In this household sausages and now cooked in the
air fryer and one batch will produce nearly zero fat in the bottom of
the basket while another batch a flood of fat will drip out :(
The NHS say this:
Seriously, who gives a f*ck at our time of life as to what the NHS
recommends (this week) about diet? Give it a few years and it will all change.
I want to enjoy my food, not waste time worrying about how damaging itrCOs currently thought to be. Having had two parents who lived too long, IrCOve no wish to follow their path.
Tim
Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
The NHS say this:
Seriously, who gives a f*ck at our time of life as to what the NHS
recommends (this week) about diet? Give it a few years and it will all
change.
I want to enjoy my food, not waste time worrying about how damaging itrCOs >> currently thought to be.
My brother thought much the same way as you. Being very good at his job
(tax avoidance accountant for rich people and businesses) he had a *lot* of corporate dining, Lodge dinners, fine wines, big cigars, large steaks, that sort of thing. Boy, did he enjoy his food. The sudden heart attack killed
him at the age of 55.
On 15/05/2026 20:28, Tim+ wrote:
Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:wait until you are older - you might change your mind.
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 14/05/2026 12:08, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
I always thought that eye-level grills were designed to spit hot fat >>>>>> directly at your eyeball. To be used only when wearing safety glasses. >>>>>> It's surprising that H&S allow them.
Stop buying those cheap sausages ?
Cheap sausages probably have more rusk and less fat to spit :)
I've found that it's the more expensive sausages from supermarkets or
direct from a butcher with more "meat" content that can be very variable >>>> in the amount of fat. In this household sausages and now cooked in the >>>> air fryer and one batch will produce nearly zero fat in the bottom of
the basket while another batch a flood of fat will drip out :(
The NHS say this:
Seriously, who gives a f*ck at our time of life as to what the NHS
recommends (this week) about diet? Give it a few years and it will all
change.
I want to enjoy my food, not waste time worrying about how damaging itrCOs >> currently thought to be. Having had two parents who lived too long, IrCOve >> no wish to follow their path.
Tim
How old is older? IrCOll be 70 this year.
I think a lot of folk do change their minds late in life, when itrCOs far too late to have any significant effect. rCLPissing in the windrCY comes to mind.
That can help get an old element working again short term, but ought not
be required for a new one. It would suggest it was defective from new.
Also once water has got into it, drying it out does not reallyfix the problem. It might allow it to run without tripping the RCD, but since
some of the magnesium dioxide insulation will have been changed into magnesium hydroxide (it has been basically slaked with water at an
elevated temperature), it will never bee the same again.
Magnesium Oxide is a very good electrical insulator, with high thermal conductivity, and a high density. Mg Hydroxide has much lower electrical resistance, is a poor thermal conductor, and is lower in density. So you
get more leakage current to start with. The density change driven
expansion causes additional cracks in the element casing, and the poorer thermal conductivity causes more localised heating - in turn more
expansion, cracks, and water ingress. It is a downward spiral.
On 17/05/2026 20:24, Tim+ wrote:
How old is older? IrCOll be 70 this year.I'll be 76 if I survive the year.
Soimany frieds are dead...
I think a lot of folk do change their minds late in life, when itrCOs
far too
late to have any significant effect.-a rCLPissing in the windrCY comes to >> mind.
I am not sure I would have changed anything even if I had known. I
didn't expect to make it this far anyway..
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