• Re: You can protect your Mac from malware by following three simple rules!

    From Brock McNuggets@Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 13:55:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2026-05-24, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 13:54, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 5:43:01rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7ga2lF1qc7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 13:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 08:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 00:46, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 23, 2026 at 1:12:55rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7eg27Fno4sU1@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    Not sure the relevance of any of this. So back to the question: >>>>>>>>>>
    You:
    EtreCheck claims that it is removed simply by dragging it to the 'Bin'.
    That is *NOT* the case.

    Me:
    How is it different than other macOS apps?
    [....]
    You, on the other hand, /may/ have installed all manner of software >>>>>>>>>>> without having any clue as to whether or not such software might damage
    your own computer and/or those computers of others with whom you share
    files.

    Maybe THAT is why you are now have problems with your iCloud! >>>>>>>>>>
    My computer does not control iCloud.

    Installing Mac apps from outside the App Store (often called >>>>>>>>> "sideloading" or downloading direct from developers) carries real >>>>>>>>> cybersecurity risks, primarily because these apps bypass Apple's >>>>>>>>> rigorous vetting process.

    The primary dangers include:Malware & Adware: Unvetted apps can contain
    hidden malicious code designed to steal personal data, hijack your >>>>>>>>> browser, or secretly use your Mac's resources for cryptocurrency mining.

    Lack of Sandboxing: Outside apps often do not run in isolated >>>>>>>>> "sandboxes." This means they can potentially access files across your >>>>>>>>> entire system rather than just their own designated folders. >>>>>>>>>
    Piracy & Tainted Software: "Cracked" or pirated software downloaded from
    torrents or shady distribution sites is frequently bundled with viruses
    or backdoors.

    Trojans: Cybercriminals often disguise malicious payloads as legitimate
    software (e.g., fake Adobe Flash or browser updates) to trick you into
    granting installation permissions.

    To stay safe, always check the Apple Support guide on how to safely open
    apps on your Mac. Rely on the official Mac App Store whenever possible.

    If you must install software from the web, ensure you only download from
    well-known, trusted developers and verify that the app is notarized by
    Apple.

    =

    Dustin Cook will be able to confirm that such things are *REAL*. >>>>>>>>>
    You have no means of protecting yourself if you install non-vetted >>>>>>>>> software. Just sayin'!


    Nobody said theyrCOre not real risky, just not relevant.


    I suspect that they are TOTALLY relevant to you having problems with the
    Apple iCloud.



    You are wrong.


    Then raise you concern in the ASC forums and see what OTHER Apple users >>>>> think>

    *I DARE YOU*!

    Why?

    *YOU*, and you alone, seem to think that there is something amiss with
    the Apple iCloud.

    Yet you can provide *NO* evidence of this.

    The ASC forum membership is *HUGE* - someone there would know by now if >>> something is amiss.

    Exactly !

    If this was an Apple issue rather than a snit issue, it would be all over
    the Internet as data loss is about as bad as a problem can get.

    Maybe there are many others with the same problem?
    I doubt it though.

    Once again, snit for the loss.




    There are others with similar issues.


    https://chatgpt.com/share/6a13030c-a050-83e8-815a-5f6c87672b9e
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From pothead@pothead@snakebite.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 14:06:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 2026-05-24, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 14:21, pothead wrote:
    On 2026-05-24, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 13:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 08:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 00:46, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 23, 2026 at 1:12:55rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7eg27Fno4sU1@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    Not sure the relevance of any of this. So back to the question: >>>>>>>>
    You:
    EtreCheck claims that it is removed simply by dragging it to the 'Bin'.
    That is *NOT* the case.

    Me:
    How is it different than other macOS apps?
    [....]
    You, on the other hand, /may/ have installed all manner of software >>>>>>>>> without having any clue as to whether or not such software might damage
    your own computer and/or those computers of others with whom you share
    files.

    Maybe THAT is why you are now have problems with your iCloud! >>>>>>>>
    My computer does not control iCloud.

    Installing Mac apps from outside the App Store (often called
    "sideloading" or downloading direct from developers) carries real >>>>>>> cybersecurity risks, primarily because these apps bypass Apple's >>>>>>> rigorous vetting process.

    The primary dangers include:Malware & Adware: Unvetted apps can contain >>>>>>> hidden malicious code designed to steal personal data, hijack your >>>>>>> browser, or secretly use your Mac's resources for cryptocurrency mining.

    Lack of Sandboxing: Outside apps often do not run in isolated
    "sandboxes." This means they can potentially access files across your >>>>>>> entire system rather than just their own designated folders.

    Piracy & Tainted Software: "Cracked" or pirated software downloaded from
    torrents or shady distribution sites is frequently bundled with viruses >>>>>>> or backdoors.

    Trojans: Cybercriminals often disguise malicious payloads as legitimate >>>>>>> software (e.g., fake Adobe Flash or browser updates) to trick you into >>>>>>> granting installation permissions.

    To stay safe, always check the Apple Support guide on how to safely open
    apps on your Mac. Rely on the official Mac App Store whenever possible. >>>>>>>
    If you must install software from the web, ensure you only download from
    well-known, trusted developers and verify that the app is notarized by >>>>>>> Apple.

    =

    Dustin Cook will be able to confirm that such things are *REAL*. >>>>>>>
    You have no means of protecting yourself if you install non-vetted >>>>>>> software. Just sayin'!


    Nobody said theyrCOre not real risky, just not relevant.


    I suspect that they are TOTALLY relevant to you having problems with the >>>>> Apple iCloud.



    You are wrong.


    Then raise you concern in the ASC forums and see what OTHER Apple users
    think>

    *I DARE YOU*!


    Highly unlikely that it is due to a side loaded program. Not impossible
    of course but unlikely.

    How would YOU know? You don't use an Apple computer!!!

    That is true I don't own an Apple computer however the principle is
    the same no matter the source. For example rooting an Android phone or
    side loading APK files for applications not in the Google Play Store.
    Same basic idea.

    What is more likely is the IT Master snit somehow managed to screw up
    the sync settings.
    There are many options and he probably didn't, or couldn't comprehend what >> each one does. And yes, despite is ignorance, his computer does instruct
    iCloud what actions to perform and how iCloud is configured.
    Some people shouldn't be allowed near a computer, or anything technical.
    Snit is one of those people.

    Look here:

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-icloud-settings-on-mac-mh36817/mac>

    Thank you for sharing.

    I do try to help him, but he will no listen!

    That's because snit considers himself smarter than everyone else.
    He is a loon.
    Oh, and have you noticed since others have chimed in to the discussion
    snit's story has morphed?
    He is so predictable.
    But loons like snit can be entertaining to watch.
    It's the circus that never closes and it's free!
    --
    pothead

    "Often imitated, never duplicated."

    "Socialism is the philosophy of failure,
    the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.
    It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

    -- Winston Churchill




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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 15:15:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 24/05/2026 14:55, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2026-05-24, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 13:54, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 5:43:01rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7ga2lF1qc7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 13:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 08:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 00:46, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 23, 2026 at 1:12:55rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7eg27Fno4sU1@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    Not sure the relevance of any of this. So back to the question: >>>>>>>>>>>
    You:
    EtreCheck claims that it is removed simply by dragging it to the 'Bin'.
    That is *NOT* the case.

    Me:
    How is it different than other macOS apps?
    [....]
    You, on the other hand, /may/ have installed all manner of software
    without having any clue as to whether or not such software might damage
    your own computer and/or those computers of others with whom you share
    files.

    Maybe THAT is why you are now have problems with your iCloud! >>>>>>>>>>>
    My computer does not control iCloud.

    Installing Mac apps from outside the App Store (often called >>>>>>>>>> "sideloading" or downloading direct from developers) carries real >>>>>>>>>> cybersecurity risks, primarily because these apps bypass Apple's >>>>>>>>>> rigorous vetting process.

    The primary dangers include:Malware & Adware: Unvetted apps can contain
    hidden malicious code designed to steal personal data, hijack your >>>>>>>>>> browser, or secretly use your Mac's resources for cryptocurrency mining.

    Lack of Sandboxing: Outside apps often do not run in isolated >>>>>>>>>> "sandboxes." This means they can potentially access files across your
    entire system rather than just their own designated folders. >>>>>>>>>>
    Piracy & Tainted Software: "Cracked" or pirated software downloaded from
    torrents or shady distribution sites is frequently bundled with viruses
    or backdoors.

    Trojans: Cybercriminals often disguise malicious payloads as legitimate
    software (e.g., fake Adobe Flash or browser updates) to trick you into
    granting installation permissions.

    To stay safe, always check the Apple Support guide on how to safely open
    apps on your Mac. Rely on the official Mac App Store whenever possible.

    If you must install software from the web, ensure you only download from
    well-known, trusted developers and verify that the app is notarized by
    Apple.

    =

    Dustin Cook will be able to confirm that such things are *REAL*. >>>>>>>>>>
    You have no means of protecting yourself if you install non-vetted >>>>>>>>>> software. Just sayin'!


    Nobody said theyrCOre not real risky, just not relevant.


    I suspect that they are TOTALLY relevant to you having problems with the
    Apple iCloud.



    You are wrong.


    Then raise you concern in the ASC forums and see what OTHER Apple users >>>>>> think>

    *I DARE YOU*!

    Why?

    *YOU*, and you alone, seem to think that there is something amiss with >>>> the Apple iCloud.

    Yet you can provide *NO* evidence of this.

    The ASC forum membership is *HUGE* - someone there would know by now if >>>> something is amiss.

    Exactly !

    If this was an Apple issue rather than a snit issue, it would be all over >>> the Internet as data loss is about as bad as a problem can get.

    Maybe there are many others with the same problem?
    I doubt it though.

    Once again, snit for the loss.




    There are others with similar issues.


    https://chatgpt.com/share/6a13030c-a050-83e8-815a-5f6c87672b9e

    They were some years ago.

    That's why I wanted YOU to ask - but you refuse!

    Why?
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  • From Brock McNuggets@Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 14:16:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2026-05-24, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 14:21, pothead wrote:
    On 2026-05-24, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 13:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 08:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 00:46, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 23, 2026 at 1:12:55rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7eg27Fno4sU1@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    Not sure the relevance of any of this. So back to the question: >>>>>>>>>
    You:
    EtreCheck claims that it is removed simply by dragging it to the 'Bin'.
    That is *NOT* the case.

    Me:
    How is it different than other macOS apps?
    [....]
    You, on the other hand, /may/ have installed all manner of software >>>>>>>>>> without having any clue as to whether or not such software might damage
    your own computer and/or those computers of others with whom you share
    files.

    Maybe THAT is why you are now have problems with your iCloud! >>>>>>>>>
    My computer does not control iCloud.

    Installing Mac apps from outside the App Store (often called
    "sideloading" or downloading direct from developers) carries real >>>>>>>> cybersecurity risks, primarily because these apps bypass Apple's >>>>>>>> rigorous vetting process.

    The primary dangers include:Malware & Adware: Unvetted apps can contain
    hidden malicious code designed to steal personal data, hijack your >>>>>>>> browser, or secretly use your Mac's resources for cryptocurrency mining.

    Lack of Sandboxing: Outside apps often do not run in isolated
    "sandboxes." This means they can potentially access files across your >>>>>>>> entire system rather than just their own designated folders.

    Piracy & Tainted Software: "Cracked" or pirated software downloaded from
    torrents or shady distribution sites is frequently bundled with viruses
    or backdoors.

    Trojans: Cybercriminals often disguise malicious payloads as legitimate
    software (e.g., fake Adobe Flash or browser updates) to trick you into >>>>>>>> granting installation permissions.

    To stay safe, always check the Apple Support guide on how to safely open
    apps on your Mac. Rely on the official Mac App Store whenever possible.

    If you must install software from the web, ensure you only download from
    well-known, trusted developers and verify that the app is notarized by >>>>>>>> Apple.

    =

    Dustin Cook will be able to confirm that such things are *REAL*. >>>>>>>>
    You have no means of protecting yourself if you install non-vetted >>>>>>>> software. Just sayin'!


    Nobody said theyrCOre not real risky, just not relevant.


    I suspect that they are TOTALLY relevant to you having problems with the >>>>>> Apple iCloud.



    You are wrong.


    Then raise you concern in the ASC forums and see what OTHER Apple users >>>> think>

    *I DARE YOU*!


    Highly unlikely that it is due to a side loaded program. Not impossible
    of course but unlikely.

    How would YOU know? You don't use an Apple computer!!!

    That is true I don't own an Apple computer however the principle is
    the same no matter the source. For example rooting an Android phone or
    side loading APK files for applications not in the Google Play Store.
    Same basic idea.

    What is more likely is the IT Master snit somehow managed to screw up
    the sync settings.
    There are many options and he probably didn't, or couldn't comprehend what >>> each one does. And yes, despite is ignorance, his computer does instruct >>> iCloud what actions to perform and how iCloud is configured.
    Some people shouldn't be allowed near a computer, or anything technical. >>> Snit is one of those people.

    Look here:

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-icloud-settings-on-mac-mh36817/mac>

    Thank you for sharing.

    I do try to help him, but he will no listen!

    That's because snit considers himself smarter than everyone else.
    He is a loon.
    Oh, and have you noticed since others have chimed in to the discussion
    snit's story has morphed?
    He is so predictable.
    But loons like snit can be entertaining to watch.
    It's the circus that never closes and it's free!



    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on
    old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be
    lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report.

    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such
    as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed). Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant
    tangents about malware. It is what it is.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 15:18:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 24/05/2026 14:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]

    Sync settings donrCOt corrupt iCloud accounts. YourCOre wrong.


    What *HAS* corrupted your iCloud account?


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  • From Brock McNuggets@Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 14:21:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 14:55, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2026-05-24, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 13:54, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 5:43:01rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7ga2lF1qc7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 13:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 08:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 00:46, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 23, 2026 at 1:12:55rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <n7eg27Fno4sU1@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    Not sure the relevance of any of this. So back to the question: >>>>>>>>>>>>
    You:
    EtreCheck claims that it is removed simply by dragging it to the 'Bin'.
    That is *NOT* the case.

    Me:
    How is it different than other macOS apps?
    [....]
    You, on the other hand, /may/ have installed all manner of software
    without having any clue as to whether or not such software might damage
    your own computer and/or those computers of others with whom you share
    files.

    Maybe THAT is why you are now have problems with your iCloud! >>>>>>>>>>>>
    My computer does not control iCloud.

    Installing Mac apps from outside the App Store (often called >>>>>>>>>>> "sideloading" or downloading direct from developers) carries real >>>>>>>>>>> cybersecurity risks, primarily because these apps bypass Apple's >>>>>>>>>>> rigorous vetting process.

    The primary dangers include:Malware & Adware: Unvetted apps can contain
    hidden malicious code designed to steal personal data, hijack your >>>>>>>>>>> browser, or secretly use your Mac's resources for cryptocurrency mining.

    Lack of Sandboxing: Outside apps often do not run in isolated >>>>>>>>>>> "sandboxes." This means they can potentially access files across your
    entire system rather than just their own designated folders. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Piracy & Tainted Software: "Cracked" or pirated software downloaded from
    torrents or shady distribution sites is frequently bundled with viruses
    or backdoors.

    Trojans: Cybercriminals often disguise malicious payloads as legitimate
    software (e.g., fake Adobe Flash or browser updates) to trick you into
    granting installation permissions.

    To stay safe, always check the Apple Support guide on how to safely open
    apps on your Mac. Rely on the official Mac App Store whenever possible.

    If you must install software from the web, ensure you only download from
    well-known, trusted developers and verify that the app is notarized by
    Apple.

    =

    Dustin Cook will be able to confirm that such things are *REAL*. >>>>>>>>>>>
    You have no means of protecting yourself if you install non-vetted >>>>>>>>>>> software. Just sayin'!


    Nobody said theyrCOre not real risky, just not relevant.


    I suspect that they are TOTALLY relevant to you having problems with the
    Apple iCloud.



    You are wrong.


    Then raise you concern in the ASC forums and see what OTHER Apple users >>>>>>> think>

    *I DARE YOU*!

    Why?

    *YOU*, and you alone, seem to think that there is something amiss with >>>>> the Apple iCloud.

    Yet you can provide *NO* evidence of this.

    The ASC forum membership is *HUGE* - someone there would know by now if >>>>> something is amiss.

    Exactly !

    If this was an Apple issue rather than a snit issue, it would be all over >>>> the Internet as data loss is about as bad as a problem can get.

    Maybe there are many others with the same problem?
    I doubt it though.

    Once again, snit for the loss.




    There are others with similar issues.


    https://chatgpt.com/share/6a13030c-a050-83e8-815a-5f6c87672b9e

    They were some years ago.

    That's why I wanted YOU to ask - but you refuse!

    Why?


    Because there is no value to it. And to explain it all would be cumbersome. Going into the fileproverd and bird and other logs and diagnostic info
    would be quite time consuming, somewhat error prone, and offer little in
    the hope of anything helpful to me. Look at what werCOve seen here rCo you going on about malware which is not relevant and Pothead trolling and lying just to please the Usenet Riders.

    The best it might do would be to help someone else. ThatrCOs possible but I didnrCOt track everything IrCOve done with and without ApplerCOs help. Also would
    mean sharing potentially private info which IrCOm not willing to do.

    Remember I donrCOt share your fascination with that forum. It means pretty
    much nothing to me.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 15:28:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 24/05/2026 15:16, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report.

    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such
    as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed). Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant tangents about malware. It is what it is.


    You have been hoist by your own petard, Brock!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

    You need to access your iCloud from either a brand new computer or from
    one which has has the hard drive wiped.

    I'm beginning to believe what other folk have said about you being incompetent. Efyo
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
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  • From Brock McNuggets@Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 14:48:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 15:16, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs >> servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing >> info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can
    retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on >> old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be
    lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report.

    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and
    David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such
    as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed).
    Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I >> was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant
    tangents about malware. It is what it is.


    You have been hoist by your own petard, Brock!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

    You need to access your iCloud from either a brand new computer or from
    one which has has the hard drive wiped.

    That would not help. In fact, to sync Documents / Desktop from another
    computer would be detrimental. Downloading from the iCloud folder fails rCo please TRY to understand the issue is not local. YourCOre struggling with
    this.


    I'm beginning to believe what other folk have said about you being incompetent. Efyo

    You donrCOt even understand what IrCOm talking about and keep going on about malware and local issues. None of that is relevant. Again: the primary
    issue is NOT local. The closest tie MIGHT be corruption on some old data
    but on suggesting that to Apple engineers they find it unlikely.

    YourCOre posting insults based on your own ignorance. ThatrCOs very poor form.

    Remember IrCOve been working with Apple on this. While the first tier support was mostly very disappointing (sometimes absurdly so) the current person
    IrCOve been working with the most rCo and the engineers rCo have been very knowledgeable and friendly.

    They note IrCOve done my due diligence and understand things well. They describe me as being very knowledgeable and finding ways to move forward
    often before they do.

    IrCOm not asking for help. I merely answered some questions when. I noted IrCOm having iCloud issues. Pothead predictably used this as an avenue of attack. Gremlin, Carroll, and other trolls will do the same. They will reference
    this and lie about it for years. Please do not join them in such poor
    behavior.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 14:48:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 24/05/2026 14:35, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]

    Sync settings donrCOt corrupt iCloud accounts. YourCOre wrong.


    What *HAS* corrupted your iCloud account?

    Hard to say with certainty, but the most likely culprit is sheer file count
    rCo I have an unusually large number of files, many quite small, with data going back to the 1980s.

    iCloud Drive handles large files quite well, but it struggles with what
    IrCOve thrown at it. Every file requires its own metadata record in ApplerCOs CloudKit database rCo including a unique identifier, sync state, modification timestamp, parent container reference, and more rCo I know of no complete listing of this. At scale, the reconciliation process between local and
    server state becomes increasingly fragile. Conflict resolution alone can generate cascading write operations that build on themselves over time.

    Enabling Desktop & Documents sharing made it worse. That doesnrCOt just copy files rCo it triggers a full iCloud daemon re-build of the directory tree, updating NSFileProviderManager state, rebuilding the sync enginerCOs working set, and negotiating chunk-level change uploads through iCloudrCOs syncing system. With tens of thousands of small files, thatrCOs an enormous number of discrete transactions and calculations, each of which can independently
    fail or produce a bad entry.

    Once enough metadata gets out of sync, the failure can apparently snowball.

    ThererCOs no definitive forensic trail, so this remains educated guesses from me and Apple engineers. But the pattern fits.

    Going forward, IrCOll keep much of my older data off iCloud entirely.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 15:13:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 24, 2026 at 7:28:33rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7gg8iF2pf1U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 15:16, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs >> servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing >> info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can
    retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on >> old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be
    lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report.

    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and
    David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such
    as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed).
    Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I >> was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant
    tangents about malware. It is what it is.


    You have been hoist by your own petard, Brock!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

    You need to access your iCloud from either a brand new computer or from
    one which has has the hard drive wiped.

    I'm beginning to believe what other folk have said about you being incompetent. Efyo


    Can you explain how that would tie into this terminal command:

    brctl log -n 50

    Having output like this (even after a full local iCloud sync system reset and from a different computer):

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:19.879-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.182-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.183-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.286-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.929-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.933-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:57:08.467-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:51.980-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions) br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.120-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.125-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.009-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions) br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.013-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions) br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:33.880-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:34.376-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.052-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.649-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.080-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.397-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:17.853-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:18.279-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:48.998-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:49.403-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:18.782-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:19.242-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:02:04.558-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 7190118 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123251 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.138-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.139-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123251 to file >

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Feel free to ask AI that. :)
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 21:45:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 24/05/2026 16:13, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 7:28:33rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7gg8iF2pf1U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 15:16, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs >>> servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing
    info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can >>> retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on >>> old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be >>> lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report.

    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and
    David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such >>> as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed). >>> Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I
    was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant
    tangents about malware. It is what it is.


    You have been hoist by your own petard, Brock!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

    You need to access your iCloud from either a brand new computer or from
    one which has has the hard drive wiped.

    I'm beginning to believe what other folk have said about you being
    incompetent. Efyo


    Can you explain how that would tie into this terminal command:

    brctl log -n 50

    Having output like this (even after a full local iCloud sync system reset and from a different computer):

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:19.879-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.182-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.183-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.286-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.929-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.933-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:57:08.467-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700] com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:51.980-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions) br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.120-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.125-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.009-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions) br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.013-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions) br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:33.880-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:34.376-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.052-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.649-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.080-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.397-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:17.853-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:18.279-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:48.998-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:49.403-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:18.782-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:19.242-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:02:04.558-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 7190118 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123251 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.138-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.139-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to resolve docID 6123251 to file >

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Feel free to ask AI that. :)

    Thanks.

    I did.
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 22:02:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 24, 2026 at 1:45:19rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7h6avF63liU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 16:13, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 7:28:33rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7gg8iF2pf1U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 15:16, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs
    servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing
    info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can >>>> retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on >>>> old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be >>>> lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report.

    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and
    David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such >>>> as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed). >>>> Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I
    was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant
    tangents about malware. It is what it is.


    You have been hoist by your own petard, Brock!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

    You need to access your iCloud from either a brand new computer or from
    one which has has the hard drive wiped.

    I'm beginning to believe what other folk have said about you being
    incompetent. Efyo


    Can you explain how that would tie into this terminal command:

    brctl log -n 50

    Having output like this (even after a full local iCloud sync system reset and
    from a different computer):

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:19.879-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.182-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.183-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.286-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.929-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.933-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:57:08.467-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >> [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:51.980-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.120-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve >> docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.125-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve >> docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.009-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.013-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:33.880-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:34.376-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.052-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.649-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.080-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.397-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:17.853-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:18.279-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:48.998-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:49.403-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:18.782-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:19.242-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:02:04.558-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 7190118 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123251 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.138-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.139-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123251 to file >

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Feel free to ask AI that. :)

    Thanks.

    I did.

    What was its response?
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 23:30:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 24/05/2026 23:02, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 1:45:19rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7h6avF63liU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 16:13, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 7:28:33rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7gg8iF2pf1U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 15:16, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs
    servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing
    info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can >>>>> retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on
    old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be >>>>> lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report. >>>>>
    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and
    David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such >>>>> as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed). >>>>> Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I
    was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant >>>>> tangents about malware. It is what it is.


    You have been hoist by your own petard, Brock!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

    You need to access your iCloud from either a brand new computer or from >>>> one which has has the hard drive wiped.

    I'm beginning to believe what other folk have said about you being
    incompetent. Efyo


    Can you explain how that would tie into this terminal command:

    brctl log -n 50

    Having output like this (even after a full local iCloud sync system reset and
    from a different computer):

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:19.879-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.182-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.183-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.286-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.929-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.933-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:57:08.467-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting
    ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>> [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:51.980-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.120-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve >>> docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.125-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve >>> docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.009-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.013-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:33.880-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:34.376-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.052-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.649-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.080-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.397-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:17.853-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:18.279-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:48.998-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:49.403-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:18.782-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:19.242-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:02:04.558-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 7190118 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123251 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.138-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.139-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123251 to file >

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Feel free to ask AI that. :)

    Thanks.

    I did.

    What was its response?


    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like.
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun May 24 22:44:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 24, 2026 at 3:30:23rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7hcfvF705nU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 23:02, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 1:45:19rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7h6avF63liU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 16:13, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 7:28:33rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7gg8iF2pf1U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 15:16, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    IrCOm not asking for help. IrCOm noting that my iCloud storage on ApplerCOs
    servers has gone corrupt rCo or more specifically the metadata and syncing
    info. Apple agrees and is working to recover my data in a way that I can >>>>>> retrieve.

    Much of this data is on a different computer than my main. Work one and on
    old backups rCo but I have reorganized some and some newer data might be >>>>>> lost.

    There is no debate here, nor a request for help rCo merely a report. >>>>>>
    If someone wants more info I might provide, but yourCOre clearly trolling and
    David, with all his good intentions, is still struggling with basics such
    as why deleting an app leaves files in the Library folder (as designed). >>>>>> Neither of you are at a level offer help or even understanding rCo even if I
    was asking for such. Which, again, IrCOm not.

    You will use this as an avenue of attack; David will go on irrelevant >>>>>> tangents about malware. It is what it is.


    You have been hoist by your own petard, Brock!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

    You need to access your iCloud from either a brand new computer or from >>>>> one which has has the hard drive wiped.

    I'm beginning to believe what other folk have said about you being
    incompetent. Efyo


    Can you explain how that would tie into this terminal command:

    brctl log -n 50

    Having output like this (even after a full local iCloud sync system reset and
    from a different computer):

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:19.879-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting >>>> ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.182-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting >>>> ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:20.183-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting >>>> ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.286-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting >>>> ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.929-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting >>>> ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:51:30.933-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting >>>> ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [ERR 2026-05-14 21:57:08.467-0700] syspolicyd[506] error while getting >>>> ubiquityIdentityToken: Error Domain=N>
    [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>>> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.254-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>>> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>>> [CRIT 2026-05-15 09:50:14.438-0700]
    com.apple.appkit.xpc.openAndSavePanelService[4474] UNREACHABLE: invalid m> >>>> [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:51.980-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.120-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve
    docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:36:55.125-0700] duetexpertd[746] fsctl failed to resolve
    docID 12098198 to file ID using >
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.009-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-15 14:37:23.013-0700] suggestd[643] +[NSURL(BRAdditions)
    br_documentURLFromBookmarkableString:e>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:33.880-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-16 23:03:34.376-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.052-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 00:37:51.649-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.080-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 02:36:17.397-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:17.853-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 03:36:18.279-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:48.998-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 04:36:49.403-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:18.782-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 05:38:19.242-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:02:04.558-0700] revisiond[397] Failed to initialize library
    for device 1000011, path <pri>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.982-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 7190118 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123251 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:48.987-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.138-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 9075894 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.139-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 12076491 to file>
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123250 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6447066 to file >
    [ERR 2026-05-17 06:45:53.141-0700] ScopedBookmarkAgent[39024] fsctl failed to
    resolve docID 6123251 to file >

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>
    Feel free to ask AI that. :)

    Thanks.

    I did.

    What was its response?


    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like.

    That is not at all the case. But what could one upload to break iCloud?

    I have found where it seems tied to old iCloud accounts... where things have not been updated properly (again, on Apple's side).
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 08:40:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 24/05/2026 23:44, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 3:30:23rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7hcfvF705nU3@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like.

    That is not at all the case. But what could one upload to break iCloud?

    Have you discovered what it was yet?

    I'd dearly love to see something in writing from Apple which confirms
    that Apple is itself responsible for your difficulties!
    I have found where it seems tied to old iCloud accounts... where things have not been updated properly (again, on Apple's side).

    Methinks you have forgotten the problems David had with iCloud!

    Here's a reminder:-

    https://i.ibb.co/kVGJyfbY/duckdrop.png

    All part of the learning process!
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 14:42:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 25, 2026 at 12:40:03rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7icmjFbnldU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 23:44, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 3:30:23rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7hcfvF705nU3@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like.

    That is not at all the case. But what could one upload to break iCloud?

    Have you discovered what it was yet?

    The closest GUESS is that it is tied to those of us who have used iCloud from early on... but it is server related.

    I'd dearly love to see something in writing from Apple which confirms
    that Apple is itself responsible for your difficulties!

    I have some emails from them but they are literally just things like;

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for contacting us. You can reply to this email or follow the link below to leave me a voice message.

    https://supportmessaging.apple.com/app/[redacted]

    My normal office hours are 12-8pm Pacific from Tuesday through Saturday.

    I'll get back to you the next day I'm in the office. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Communication has been by phone.

    I have found where it seems tied to old iCloud accounts... where things have >> not been updated properly (again, on Apple's side).

    Methinks you have forgotten the problems David had with iCloud!

    Here's a reminder:-

    https://i.ibb.co/kVGJyfbY/duckdrop.png

    All part of the learning process!

    Mine is an Apple server issue. And given how my computer is now tied to
    iCloud, it impacts my local system. If I try to copy things from Documents to say ~/Storage I get things like this (it is not consistent)

    * It copies (taking a LONG time) but then the folder is recreated in
    Documents. Empty. Or sometimes only some of the contents copy and the rest
    stay in Documents, and I have to keep trying to combine. There are times it even duplicates contents so they are n both.

    * It tries for a LONG time and then fails.

    * It starts a copy and even after 24 hours it does not even start (setting the computer to not sleep).

    * It works.

    The larger the data being copied, the worse things tend to be.

    I have looked through my old computer. Thankfully, as I have said, I did NOT tie that to iCloud. I got my new computer about 2 years ago. All my data from before that is safe (though since then I have organized and deleted some, so still frustrating). Very current stuff -- from the last month or so -- seems fine or mostly so. And has now been copied to places not on iCloud. Things
    from 2 months to about 2 years ago are being the biggest pain... but even that I think I have back.

    I will talk to them soon about where things are, but Apple is still working on packaging my data.

    https://shottr.cc/s/PFfO/SCR-20260525-bmt
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 22:15:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 25/05/2026 15:42, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 12:40:03rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7icmjFbnldU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 23:44, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 3:30:23rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7hcfvF705nU3@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like. >>>
    That is not at all the case. But what could one upload to break iCloud?

    Have you discovered what it was yet?

    The closest GUESS is that it is tied to those of us who have used iCloud from early on... but it is server related.

    I'd dearly love to see something in writing from Apple which confirms
    that Apple is itself responsible for your difficulties!

    I have some emails from them but they are literally just things like;

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for contacting us. You can reply to this email or follow the link below
    to leave me a voice message.

    https://supportmessaging.apple.com/app/[redacted]

    My normal office hours are 12-8pm Pacific from Tuesday through Saturday.

    I'll get back to you the next day I'm in the office. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Communication has been by phone.

    I have found where it seems tied to old iCloud accounts... where things have
    not been updated properly (again, on Apple's side).

    Methinks you have forgotten the problems David had with iCloud!

    Here's a reminder:-

    https://i.ibb.co/kVGJyfbY/duckdrop.png

    All part of the learning process!

    Mine is an Apple server issue. And given how my computer is now tied to iCloud, it impacts my local system. If I try to copy things from Documents to say ~/Storage I get things like this (it is not consistent)

    * It copies (taking a LONG time) but then the folder is recreated in Documents. Empty. Or sometimes only some of the contents copy and the rest stay in Documents, and I have to keep trying to combine. There are times it even duplicates contents so they are n both.

    * It tries for a LONG time and then fails.

    * It starts a copy and even after 24 hours it does not even start (setting the
    computer to not sleep).

    * It works.

    The larger the data being copied, the worse things tend to be.

    I have looked through my old computer. Thankfully, as I have said, I did NOT tie that to iCloud. I got my new computer about 2 years ago. All my data from before that is safe (though since then I have organized and deleted some, so still frustrating). Very current stuff -- from the last month or so -- seems fine or mostly so. And has now been copied to places not on iCloud. Things from 2 months to about 2 years ago are being the biggest pain... but even that
    I think I have back.

    I will talk to them soon about where things are, but Apple is still working on
    packaging my data.

    https://shottr.cc/s/PFfO/SCR-20260525-bmt
    Thank you for updating us on progress, albeit slow.
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From pothead@pothead@snakebite.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 22:37:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 2026-05-25, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 25/05/2026 15:42, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 12:40:03rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7icmjFbnldU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 23:44, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 3:30:23rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7hcfvF705nU3@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like. >>>>
    That is not at all the case. But what could one upload to break iCloud? >>>
    Have you discovered what it was yet?

    The closest GUESS is that it is tied to those of us who have used iCloud from
    early on... but it is server related.

    I'd dearly love to see something in writing from Apple which confirms
    that Apple is itself responsible for your difficulties!

    I have some emails from them but they are literally just things like;

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for contacting us. You can reply to this email or follow the link below
    to leave me a voice message.

    https://supportmessaging.apple.com/app/[redacted]

    My normal office hours are 12-8pm Pacific from Tuesday through Saturday.

    I'll get back to you the next day I'm in the office.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Communication has been by phone.

    I have found where it seems tied to old iCloud accounts... where things have
    not been updated properly (again, on Apple's side).

    Methinks you have forgotten the problems David had with iCloud!

    Here's a reminder:-

    https://i.ibb.co/kVGJyfbY/duckdrop.png

    All part of the learning process!

    Mine is an Apple server issue. And given how my computer is now tied to
    iCloud, it impacts my local system. If I try to copy things from Documents to
    say ~/Storage I get things like this (it is not consistent)

    * It copies (taking a LONG time) but then the folder is recreated in
    Documents. Empty. Or sometimes only some of the contents copy and the rest >> stay in Documents, and I have to keep trying to combine. There are times it >> even duplicates contents so they are n both.

    * It tries for a LONG time and then fails.

    * It starts a copy and even after 24 hours it does not even start (setting the
    computer to not sleep).

    * It works.

    The larger the data being copied, the worse things tend to be.

    I have looked through my old computer. Thankfully, as I have said, I did NOT >> tie that to iCloud. I got my new computer about 2 years ago. All my data from
    before that is safe (though since then I have organized and deleted some, so >> still frustrating). Very current stuff -- from the last month or so -- seems >> fine or mostly so. And has now been copied to places not on iCloud. Things >> from 2 months to about 2 years ago are being the biggest pain... but even that
    I think I have back.

    I will talk to them soon about where things are, but Apple is still working on
    packaging my data.

    https://shottr.cc/s/PFfO/SCR-20260525-bmt
    Thank you for updating us on progress, albeit slow.

    Why?
    Once again snit proves himself to be clueless about computer tech.
    iCloud and Onedrive for that matter, both clearly mention that they are not
    to be used as primary back up sites.

    Snit seemingly has no structured back up strategy which is a computer
    noob mistake and not something a supposed IT Master should fail to understand. And even if he did depend upon iCloud as a backup, he made critical noob mistake #2 which is not testing the back up or in this case testing the files every now and then to see if they can be downloaded and work.

    Have you figured out that snit is a technical goofball?
    You should have by now.
    Most everyone else has.

    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    --
    pothead

    "Often imitated, never duplicated."

    "Socialism is the philosophy of failure,
    the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.
    It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

    -- Winston Churchill




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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 23:56:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 23:17:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he continues to offer good service.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 23:20:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 25, 2026 at 3:37:39rC>PM MST, "pothead" wrote <10v2ivi$1mp22$2@pothead.dont-email.me>:

    On 2026-05-25, David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 25/05/2026 15:42, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 12:40:03rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7icmjFbnldU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 23:44, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 3:30:23rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7hcfvF705nU3@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like. >>>>>
    That is not at all the case. But what could one upload to break iCloud? >>>>
    Have you discovered what it was yet?

    The closest GUESS is that it is tied to those of us who have used iCloud from
    early on... but it is server related.

    I'd dearly love to see something in writing from Apple which confirms
    that Apple is itself responsible for your difficulties!

    I have some emails from them but they are literally just things like;

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for contacting us. You can reply to this email or follow the link below
    to leave me a voice message.

    https://supportmessaging.apple.com/app/[redacted]

    My normal office hours are 12-8pm Pacific from Tuesday through Saturday. >>>
    I'll get back to you the next day I'm in the office.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Communication has been by phone.

    I have found where it seems tied to old iCloud accounts... where things have
    not been updated properly (again, on Apple's side).

    Methinks you have forgotten the problems David had with iCloud!

    Here's a reminder:-

    https://i.ibb.co/kVGJyfbY/duckdrop.png

    All part of the learning process!

    Mine is an Apple server issue. And given how my computer is now tied to
    iCloud, it impacts my local system. If I try to copy things from Documents to
    say ~/Storage I get things like this (it is not consistent)

    * It copies (taking a LONG time) but then the folder is recreated in
    Documents. Empty. Or sometimes only some of the contents copy and the rest >>> stay in Documents, and I have to keep trying to combine. There are times it >>> even duplicates contents so they are n both.

    * It tries for a LONG time and then fails.

    * It starts a copy and even after 24 hours it does not even start (setting the
    computer to not sleep).

    * It works.

    The larger the data being copied, the worse things tend to be.

    I have looked through my old computer. Thankfully, as I have said, I did NOT
    tie that to iCloud. I got my new computer about 2 years ago. All my data from
    before that is safe (though since then I have organized and deleted some, so
    still frustrating). Very current stuff -- from the last month or so -- seems
    fine or mostly so. And has now been copied to places not on iCloud. Things >>> from 2 months to about 2 years ago are being the biggest pain... but even that
    I think I have back.

    I will talk to them soon about where things are, but Apple is still working on
    packaging my data.

    https://shottr.cc/s/PFfO/SCR-20260525-bmt
    Thank you for updating us on progress, albeit slow.

    Why?
    Once again snit proves himself to be clueless about computer tech.

    What error do you think I made? Be specific.

    iCloud and Onedrive for that matter, both clearly mention that they are not to be used as primary back up sites.

    I did not use it as a backup site.

    Snit seemingly has no structured back up strategy which is a computer
    noob mistake and not something a supposed IT Master should fail to understand.

    Yet it seems I will not be losing a single file. But it is true I should have had a better backup strategy. Using Cloud services does make that harder.

    And even if he did depend upon iCloud as a backup, he made critical noob mistake #2 which is not testing the back up or in this case testing the files every now and then to see if they can be downloaded and work.

    Testing iCloud. LOL! Um, what? What type tests do you suggest?

    Have you figured out that snit is a technical goofball?
    You should have by now.
    Most everyone else has.

    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.

    I have not shared my full life with you... you are such a victim! LOL!
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon May 25 23:23:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 25, 2026 at 2:15:33rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7jsflFivijU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 15:42, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 12:40:03rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7icmjFbnldU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/05/2026 23:44, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 24, 2026 at 3:30:23rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7hcfvF705nU3@mid.individual.net>:
    [....]
    *User generated fault* - you uploaded something that iCloud didn't like. >>>>
    That is not at all the case. But what could one upload to break iCloud? >>>
    Have you discovered what it was yet?

    The closest GUESS is that it is tied to those of us who have used iCloud from
    early on... but it is server related.

    I'd dearly love to see something in writing from Apple which confirms
    that Apple is itself responsible for your difficulties!

    I have some emails from them but they are literally just things like;

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for contacting us. You can reply to this email or follow the link below
    to leave me a voice message.

    https://supportmessaging.apple.com/app/[redacted]

    My normal office hours are 12-8pm Pacific from Tuesday through Saturday.

    I'll get back to you the next day I'm in the office.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Communication has been by phone.

    I have found where it seems tied to old iCloud accounts... where things have
    not been updated properly (again, on Apple's side).

    Methinks you have forgotten the problems David had with iCloud!

    Here's a reminder:-

    https://i.ibb.co/kVGJyfbY/duckdrop.png

    All part of the learning process!

    Mine is an Apple server issue. And given how my computer is now tied to
    iCloud, it impacts my local system. If I try to copy things from Documents to
    say ~/Storage I get things like this (it is not consistent)

    * It copies (taking a LONG time) but then the folder is recreated in
    Documents. Empty. Or sometimes only some of the contents copy and the rest >> stay in Documents, and I have to keep trying to combine. There are times it >> even duplicates contents so they are n both.

    * It tries for a LONG time and then fails.

    * It starts a copy and even after 24 hours it does not even start (setting the
    computer to not sleep).

    * It works.

    The larger the data being copied, the worse things tend to be.

    I have looked through my old computer. Thankfully, as I have said, I did NOT >> tie that to iCloud. I got my new computer about 2 years ago. All my data from
    before that is safe (though since then I have organized and deleted some, so >> still frustrating). Very current stuff -- from the last month or so -- seems >> fine or mostly so. And has now been copied to places not on iCloud. Things >> from 2 months to about 2 years ago are being the biggest pain... but even that
    I think I have back.

    I will talk to them soon about where things are, but Apple is still working on
    packaging my data.

    https://shottr.cc/s/PFfO/SCR-20260525-bmt

    Thank you for updating us on progress, albeit slow.

    I have a LOT more going on in my life than working on my computer and
    reporting anything here. Keep in mind I did not share any real details until asked and have not asked anyone here for help. Nobody here is really
    qualified. Even going to different forums it would be a fool's errand to try
    to guess who is the "right" person. I did the smart thing and found a knowledgeable Apple tech after I did my own research and work. Turned out I diagnosed the issue correctly (iCloud failure) and came with good evidence.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 08:38:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/05/2026 00:23, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    I have a LOT more going on in my life than working on my computer and reporting anything here. Keep in mind I did not share any real details until asked and have not asked anyone here for help. Nobody here is really qualified. Even going to different forums it would be a fool's errand to try to guess who is the "right" person. I did the smart thing and found a knowledgeable Apple tech after I did my own research and work. Turned out I diagnosed the issue correctly (iCloud failure) and came with good evidence.

    Are any of these Apple stores within reach if needed?

    Chandler, Chandler Fashion Center
    Gilbert, SanTan Village
    Glendale, Arrowhead
    Scottsdale, Scottsdale Fashion Square
    Scottsdale, Scottsdale Quarter
    Tucson, La Encantada

    Sometimes it's easiest to speak face-to-face!

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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 12:43:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used
    your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the
    Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 12:22:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for >>>> advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took
    longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is >> not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into
    something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few >> minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he
    continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used
    your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the
    Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll. With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me know. I will assuming I have time.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 12:24:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 12:38:14rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7l0v6FobasU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:23, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    I have a LOT more going on in my life than working on my computer and
    reporting anything here. Keep in mind I did not share any real details until >> asked and have not asked anyone here for help. Nobody here is really
    qualified. Even going to different forums it would be a fool's errand to try >> to guess who is the "right" person. I did the smart thing and found a
    knowledgeable Apple tech after I did my own research and work. Turned out I >> diagnosed the issue correctly (iCloud failure) and came with good evidence.

    Are any of these Apple stores within reach if needed?

    Chandler, Chandler Fashion Center
    Gilbert, SanTan Village
    Glendale, Arrowhead
    Scottsdale, Scottsdale Fashion Square
    Scottsdale, Scottsdale Quarter
    Tucson, La Encantada

    Sometimes it's easiest to speak face-to-face!

    None are particularly close, and none would be likely to help. They look at local issues, not issues with the iCloud server. What they can do I likely
    have done more at home. If one was very close I might give them a chance but doubt it would do much good. They are mostly there for more common and user-related issues.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 14:45:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for >>>>> advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took >>> longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is
    not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into
    something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few
    minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he >>> continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used
    your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the
    Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll. With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions?

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?
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  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 14:48:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/05/2026 13:24, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 12:38:14rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7l0v6FobasU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:23, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    [....]
    I have a LOT more going on in my life than working on my computer and
    reporting anything here. Keep in mind I did not share any real details until
    asked and have not asked anyone here for help. Nobody here is really
    qualified. Even going to different forums it would be a fool's errand to try
    to guess who is the "right" person. I did the smart thing and found a
    knowledgeable Apple tech after I did my own research and work. Turned out I >>> diagnosed the issue correctly (iCloud failure) and came with good evidence. >>
    Are any of these Apple stores within reach if needed?

    Chandler, Chandler Fashion Center
    Gilbert, SanTan Village
    Glendale, Arrowhead
    Scottsdale, Scottsdale Fashion Square
    Scottsdale, Scottsdale Quarter
    Tucson, La Encantada

    Sometimes it's easiest to speak face-to-face!

    None are particularly close, and none would be likely to help. They look at local issues, not issues with the iCloud server. What they can do I likely have done more at home. If one was very close I might give them a chance but doubt it would do much good. They are mostly there for more common and user-related issues.

    OK. Thanks.
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 16:22:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for >>>>>> advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took >>>> longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is
    not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into >>>> something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few
    minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he >>>> continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used
    your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the
    Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll. >> With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me >> know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions?

    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than you.

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But, AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments, Threads, and more. Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not all, but it seems a fair number of people get attached to their system and cannot understand why others are not on it. It is too much. FAR too many services for me to care one tiny amount to be on them all and be active. Now you want to add to that multiple websites. No thanks!
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 20:20:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/05/2026 17:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for >>>>>>> advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took >>>>> longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is
    not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into >>>>> something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few
    minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he >>>>> continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used >>>> your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the >>>> Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/ >>>> and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll.
    With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me >>> know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions?

    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than you.

    I wonder if other folk reading here agree with you!
    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments, Threads, and more. Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not all, but it seems a fair number of people get attached to their system and cannot understand why others
    are not on it. It is too much. FAR too many services for me to care one tiny amount to be on them all and be active. Now you want to add to that multiple websites. No thanks!
    Hmmm! Are we connected on LinkedIn? Please send me a message - just a test.
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 19:54:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 12:20:31rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7ma40F5bqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 17:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for >>>>>>>> advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took
    longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is
    not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into >>>>>> something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few
    minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he
    continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used >>>>> your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the >>>>> Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/ >>>>> and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll.
    With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me
    know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions?

    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than you.

    I wonder if other folk reading here agree with you!

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you
    got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app.

    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing
    wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some >> detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am >> sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and >> where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in.


    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, >> Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments, Threads, and more. >> Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not all, but it seems a fair
    number of people get attached to their system and cannot understand why others
    are not on it. It is too much. FAR too many services for me to care one tiny >> amount to be on them all and be active. Now you want to add to that multiple >> websites. No thanks!

    Hmmm! Are we connected on LinkedIn? Please send me a message - just a test.

    We have been connected there since 2020 and have shared messages and images. But I have NO interest in LinkedIn either. This is what I am noting: there are MANY forums and ways to communicate. Hundreds. Thousands. You keep wanting to me to get involved in new ones... and asking me to reflect on why I do not
    wish to.

    I do not need a reason to not be interested in joining MORE forums. You and I, for example, have talked via Text (Messages) and Messenger and LinkedIn and here. That is a LOT. You are one person. I am one person. No need to have so many different ways to send a simple message. Here -- public. Messenger -- private. Facebook -- comment on posts. I do not want or need more.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Glock@glock@localhost.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 20:53:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26 May 2026 16:22:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums >>>>>>> for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it >>>>> took longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person >>>>> there who is not working on broad ideas but my system specifically.
    When I run into something I can email him and he will hopefully
    reply. I "tested" this a few minutes ago by sending him an email
    (with a legit question). Hopefully he continues to offer good
    service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not
    used your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions
    on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com,
    https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually
    troll.
    With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at
    let me know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions?

    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than
    you.

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into
    some detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of
    interest. I am sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure
    about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me
    and where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    Do your fellow Mac users a solid and avoid giving advice because I doubt
    they want their computers fucked up like yours is snit.


    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn,
    Twitter, Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments,
    Threads, and more. Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not
    all, but it seems a fair number of people get attached to their system
    and cannot understand why others are not on it.

    So you spend all day and night posting to usenet and you are criticizing others for spending too much time with their computers?
    That's a treat.

    With all of those services you belong to snit you have plenty of free time
    to get yourself a job.
    You are a fucking leech.
    --
    Glock
    Always Locked and Loaded.
    Bring it on snowflakes.

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 21:19:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 1:53:01rC>PM MST, "Glock" wrote <6a16082d$1$8464$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

    On 26 May 2026 16:22:05 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums >>>>>>>> for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it >>>>>> took longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person >>>>>> there who is not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. >>>>>> When I run into something I can email him and he will hopefully
    reply. I "tested" this a few minutes ago by sending him an email
    (with a legit question). Hopefully he continues to offer good
    service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not
    used your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions >>>>> on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com,
    https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually
    troll.
    With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at
    let me know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions?

    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than
    you.

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into
    some detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of
    interest. I am sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure
    about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me
    and where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    Do your fellow Mac users a solid and avoid giving advice because I doubt
    they want their computers fucked up like yours is snit.


    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn,
    Twitter, Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments,
    Threads, and more. Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not
    all, but it seems a fair number of people get attached to their system
    and cannot understand why others are not on it.

    So you spend all day and night posting to usenet and you are criticizing others for spending too much time with their computers?
    That's a treat.

    With all of those services you belong to snit you have plenty of free time
    to get yourself a job.
    You are a fucking leech.

    Whatever Sockboy.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 22:51:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/05/2026 20:54, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 12:20:31rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7ma40F5bqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 17:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took
    longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is
    not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into >>>>>>> something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few
    minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he
    continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used >>>>>> your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the >>>>>> Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/ >>>>>> and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of >>>>>> wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll.
    With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me
    know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions? >>>
    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than you.

    I wonder if other folk reading here agree with you!

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app.

    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of
    the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    Do you agree with that?
    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users >>>> who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some >>> detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and >>> where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in.

    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me.
    <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, >>> Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments, Threads, and more.
    Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not all, but it seems a fair
    number of people get attached to their system and cannot understand why others
    are not on it. It is too much. FAR too many services for me to care one tiny
    amount to be on them all and be active. Now you want to add to that multiple
    websites. No thanks!

    Hmmm! Are we connected on LinkedIn? Please send me a message - just a test.

    We have been connected there since 2020 and have shared messages and images. But I have NO interest in LinkedIn either. This is what I am noting: there are
    MANY forums and ways to communicate. Hundreds. Thousands. You keep wanting to me to get involved in new ones... and asking me to reflect on why I do not wish to.

    I do not need a reason to not be interested in joining MORE forums. You and I,
    for example, have talked via Text (Messages) and Messenger and LinkedIn and here. That is a LOT. You are one person. I am one person. No need to have so many different ways to send a simple message. Here -- public. Messenger -- private. Facebook -- comment on posts. I do not want or need more.
    You can, and do, do whatever you please.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 22:10:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 2:51:56rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7mivtF1f3tU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 20:54, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 12:20:31rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7ma40F5bqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 17:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took
    longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is
    not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into >>>>>>>> something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few
    minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he
    continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used >>>>>>> your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the >>>>>>> Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/ >>>>>>> and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of >>>>>>> wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll.
    With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me
    know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions? >>>>
    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than you.

    I wonder if other folk reading here agree with you!

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is
    trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you >> got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept >> changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was >> correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will
    move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app. >>
    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the >> basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the
    Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and >> create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing
    wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of
    the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    You have been taught incorrectly.

    Do you agree with that?

    Not at all. Why would having an installer matter? Most apps on macOS do not.

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users >>>>> who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some
    detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and
    where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in.

    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me. <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    There is nothing to explain. Not interested. That is it. If you want to get me interested you will have to show reasons. I have suggested you do with sharing content that might interest me. Even if you do, though, I might look at that post and few others. Or even no others.

    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter,
    Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments, Threads, and more.
    Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not all, but it seems a fair
    number of people get attached to their system and cannot understand why others
    are not on it. It is too much. FAR too many services for me to care one tiny
    amount to be on them all and be active. Now you want to add to that multiple
    websites. No thanks!

    Hmmm! Are we connected on LinkedIn? Please send me a message - just a test.

    We have been connected there since 2020 and have shared messages and images. >> But I have NO interest in LinkedIn either. This is what I am noting: there are
    MANY forums and ways to communicate. Hundreds. Thousands. You keep wanting to
    me to get involved in new ones... and asking me to reflect on why I do not >> wish to.

    I do not need a reason to not be interested in joining MORE forums. You and I,
    for example, have talked via Text (Messages) and Messenger and LinkedIn and >> here. That is a LOT. You are one person. I am one person. No need to have so >> many different ways to send a simple message. Here -- public. Messenger -- >> private. Facebook -- comment on posts. I do not want or need more.

    You can, and do, do whatever you please.

    This is true. Why do you try to push people to join forums you like? It is
    fine to share and suggest and invite ... but pushing is bad form and pushes people away from them.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 23:37:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 26/05/2026 23:10, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 2:51:56rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7mivtF1f3tU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 20:54, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 12:20:31rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7ma40F5bqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 17:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 6:45:51rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lmgfFrk13U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 13:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 4:43:25rC>AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it took
    longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person there who is
    not working on broad ideas but my system specifically. When I run into
    something I can email him and he will hopefully reply. I "tested" this a few
    minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit question). Hopefully he
    continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used >>>>>>>> your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the >>>>>>>> Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of >>>>>>>> wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    While I respond to trolling more than I can defend, I rarely actually troll.
    With the other forums, if there is a question you want me to look at let me
    know. I will assuming I have time.

    Have other folk got annoyed with you for not answering their questions? >>>>>
    I think we have seen even recently I answer far more and far faster than you.

    I wonder if other folk reading here agree with you!

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is
    trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you >>> got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept
    changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was >>> correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will
    move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app. >>>
    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the
    basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the >>> Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and >>> create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing >>> wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of
    the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    You have been taught incorrectly.

    Then you need to question this on the ASC forums!
    Do you agree with that?

    Not at all. Why would having an installer matter? Most apps on macOS do not.

    I think you meant to say UNinstaller. Again, you must ask the gurus on
    the ASC forums!

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users >>>>>> who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some
    detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and
    where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in. >>
    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me.
    <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    There is nothing to explain. Not interested. That is it. If you want to get me
    interested you will have to show reasons. I have suggested you do with sharing
    content that might interest me. Even if you do, though, I might look at that post and few others. Or even no others.

    The reason you should ask on the ASC forums is for you to *LEARN*!

    Question for you to ask:- "Why does having an App uninstaller matter?"
    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter,
    Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments, Threads, and more.
    Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not all, but it seems a fair
    number of people get attached to their system and cannot understand why others
    are not on it. It is too much. FAR too many services for me to care one tiny
    amount to be on them all and be active. Now you want to add to that multiple
    websites. No thanks!

    Hmmm! Are we connected on LinkedIn? Please send me a message - just a test.

    We have been connected there since 2020 and have shared messages and images.
    But I have NO interest in LinkedIn either. This is what I am noting: there are
    MANY forums and ways to communicate. Hundreds. Thousands. You keep wanting to
    me to get involved in new ones... and asking me to reflect on why I do not >>> wish to.

    I do not need a reason to not be interested in joining MORE forums. You and I,
    for example, have talked via Text (Messages) and Messenger and LinkedIn and >>> here. That is a LOT. You are one person. I am one person. No need to have so
    many different ways to send a simple message. Here -- public. Messenger -- >>> private. Facebook -- comment on posts. I do not want or need more.

    You can, and do, do whatever you please.

    This is true. Why do you try to push people to join forums you like? It is fine to share and suggest and invite ... but pushing is bad form and pushes people away from them.

    I have never said or implied that I "like" the ASC forums!

    But you may well find out for yourself that you are wrong about
    uninstallers!


    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue May 26 23:21:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 3:37:51rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7mllvF1ss7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    ...

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is
    trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you
    got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept
    changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was >>>> correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will
    move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app.

    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the
    basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the >>>> Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and
    create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing >>>> wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of
    the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    You have been taught incorrectly.

    Then you need to question this on the ASC forums!

    I already know the answer. It is not in any way true. Most apps on macOS do
    not have installers. That is fine and by design. What is there to ask?

    Do you agree with that?

    Not at all. Why would having an installer matter? Most apps on macOS do not.

    I think you meant to say UNinstaller. Again, you must ask the gurus on
    the ASC forums!

    Installer or uninstaller. None needed. No need to ask.


    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users >>>>>>> who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some
    detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and
    where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in. >>>
    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me.
    <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    There is nothing to explain. Not interested. That is it. If you want to get me
    interested you will have to show reasons. I have suggested you do with sharing
    content that might interest me. Even if you do, though, I might look at that >> post and few others. Or even no others.

    The reason you should ask on the ASC forums is for you to *LEARN*!

    Above your example is something I already know. There is no need for an installer / uninstaller for most apps on macOS.


    Question for you to ask:- "Why does having an App uninstaller matter?"

    I already know at least the basics -- it does not matter. It is not needed.

    Where it would matter to have an uninstaller is if files are saved in nonstandard places or are very large so they matter when you remove the app. Some apps install background processes or helpers and those are not removed by deleting the app -- so it matters even more there.

    It is curious to me. I have friends on TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter,
    Intsagram, Snapchat, Reddit, WhatsApp, Facebook comments, Threads, and more.
    Oh, and Messenger and Texting (Messages on iOS). Not all, but it seems a fair
    number of people get attached to their system and cannot understand why others
    are not on it. It is too much. FAR too many services for me to care one tiny
    amount to be on them all and be active. Now you want to add to that multiple
    websites. No thanks!

    Hmmm! Are we connected on LinkedIn? Please send me a message - just a test.

    We have been connected there since 2020 and have shared messages and images.
    But I have NO interest in LinkedIn either. This is what I am noting: there are
    MANY forums and ways to communicate. Hundreds. Thousands. You keep wanting to
    me to get involved in new ones... and asking me to reflect on why I do not >>>> wish to.

    I do not need a reason to not be interested in joining MORE forums. You and I,
    for example, have talked via Text (Messages) and Messenger and LinkedIn and
    here. That is a LOT. You are one person. I am one person. No need to have so
    many different ways to send a simple message. Here -- public. Messenger -- >>>> private. Facebook -- comment on posts. I do not want or need more.

    You can, and do, do whatever you please.

    This is true. Why do you try to push people to join forums you like? It is >> fine to share and suggest and invite ... but pushing is bad form and pushes >> people away from them.

    I have never said or implied that I "like" the ASC forums!

    Yet you all but beg me to go post there and elsewhere!

    But you may well find out for yourself that you are wrong about
    uninstallers!

    I am not. If you think I am then back it. I will listen. Might be an interesting topic.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From David B.@"David B."@invalid.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed May 27 07:56:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 27/05/2026 00:21, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 3:37:51rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7mllvF1ss7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    ...

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is
    trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you
    got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept
    changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was
    correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will
    move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app.

    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the
    basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the >>>>> Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and
    create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing >>>>> wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of >>>> the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    You have been taught incorrectly.

    Then you need to question this on the ASC forums!

    I already know the answer. It is not in any way true. Most apps on macOS do not have installers. That is fine and by design. What is there to ask?

    Do you agree with that?

    Not at all. Why would having an installer matter? Most apps on macOS do not.

    I think you meant to say UNinstaller. Again, you must ask the gurus on
    the ASC forums!

    Installer or uninstaller. None needed. No need to ask.

    I cannot believe you said that!

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users >>>>>>>> who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums? >>>>>>>
    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some
    detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and
    where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in. >>>>
    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me. >>>> <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    There is nothing to explain. Not interested. That is it. If you want to get me
    interested you will have to show reasons. I have suggested you do with sharing
    content that might interest me. Even if you do, though, I might look at that
    post and few others. Or even no others.

    The reason you should ask on the ASC forums is for you to *LEARN*!

    Above your example is something I already know. There is no need for an installer / uninstaller for most apps on macOS.

    Can you provide support for that claim? I think not!
    Question for you to ask:- "Why does having an App uninstaller matter?"

    I already know at least the basics -- it does not matter. It is not needed.

    Where it would matter to have an uninstaller is if files are saved in nonstandard places or are very large so they matter when you remove the app. Some apps install background processes or helpers and those are not removed by
    deleting the app -- so it matters even more there.[....]


    Thank you for perfectly making my case for me, Brock.

    In your other post in the "Screenshot!" thread, you admitted that you
    blindly dragged an app to the Trash, completely unaware that it had left
    past reports lingering behind in your ~/Library directory until I
    pointed it out to you.

    Furthermore, tools like EtreCheck do exactly what you just described:
    they run background processes, set up launch agents/daemons, and store
    data outside the basic .app bundle.

    By your own explicit admission above, if an app installs background
    helpers or leaves unremoved files behind, it does matter, and an
    uninstaller is needed. Yet, when a developer fails to provide one, and
    leaves users to manually hunt down junk in their ~/Library paths, you
    defend it as "acting as it should."

    You can't have it both ways. Either it "matters even more" for apps that
    leave background processes and files behindrComeaning my advice to look
    for an uninstaller is entirely correctrCoor you need to go back and
    rewrite your definitions. Which is it?
    --
    Your friend!
    David
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed May 27 07:30:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 11:56:49rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7nithF63ldU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 27/05/2026 00:21, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 3:37:51rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7mllvF1ss7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    ...

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is
    trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you
    got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept
    changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was
    correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will
    move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app.

    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the
    basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the
    Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and
    create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing
    wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of >>>>> the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    You have been taught incorrectly.

    Then you need to question this on the ASC forums!

    I already know the answer. It is not in any way true. Most apps on macOS do >> not have installers. That is fine and by design. What is there to ask?

    Do you agree with that?

    Not at all. Why would having an installer matter? Most apps on macOS do not.

    I think you meant to say UNinstaller. Again, you must ask the gurus on
    the ASC forums!

    Installer or uninstaller. None needed. No need to ask.

    I cannot believe you said that!

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums? >>>>>>>>
    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some
    detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and
    where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in.

    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me. >>>>> <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    There is nothing to explain. Not interested. That is it. If you want to get me
    interested you will have to show reasons. I have suggested you do with sharing
    content that might interest me. Even if you do, though, I might look at that
    post and few others. Or even no others.

    The reason you should ask on the ASC forums is for you to *LEARN*!

    Above your example is something I already know. There is no need for an
    installer / uninstaller for most apps on macOS.

    Can you provide support for that claim? I think not!
    Question for you to ask:- "Why does having an App uninstaller matter?"

    I already know at least the basics -- it does not matter. It is not needed. >>
    Where it would matter to have an uninstaller is if files are saved in
    nonstandard places or are very large so they matter when you remove the app. >> Some apps install background processes or helpers and those are not removed by
    deleting the app -- so it matters even more there.[....]


    Thank you for perfectly making my case for me, Brock.

    In your other post in the "Screenshot!" thread, you admitted that you
    blindly dragged an app to the Trash, completely unaware that it had left
    past reports lingering behind in your ~/Library directory until I
    pointed it out to you.

    Furthermore, tools like EtreCheck do exactly what you just described:
    they run background processes, set up launch agents/daemons, and store
    data outside the basic .app bundle.

    By your own explicit admission above, if an app installs background
    helpers or leaves unremoved files behind, it does matter, and an
    uninstaller is needed. Yet, when a developer fails to provide one, and
    leaves users to manually hunt down junk in their ~/Library paths, you
    defend it as "acting as it should."

    You can't have it both ways. Either it "matters even more" for apps that leave background processes and files behindrComeaning my advice to look
    for an uninstaller is entirely correctrCoor you need to go back and
    rewrite your definitions. Which is it?

    What background processes are you talking about? Do you even know what that means?

    I bet not.

    You are making a complete ass of yourself. Sure, some of the trolls who live
    to attack me will jump in and attack me and actively confuse you... but as far as has been shown, EtreCheck leaves NO background processes when you delete
    it. You are simply wrong.

    Please, David, stop going on a fool's errand to find issues with something
    when you clearly have no clue of the norm on macOS. Without knowing that you will never find ANY bad guy like you think you will. You waste your own time, other's time, and harm the targets of your paranoid attacks.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed May 27 07:57:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 26, 2026 at 11:56:49rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n7nithF63ldU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 27/05/2026 00:21, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 3:37:51rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7mllvF1ss7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    ...

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is
    trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you
    got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept
    changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was
    correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will
    move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app.

    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the
    basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the
    Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and
    create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing
    wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of >>>>> the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    You have been taught incorrectly.

    Then you need to question this on the ASC forums!

    I already know the answer. It is not in any way true. Most apps on macOS do >> not have installers. That is fine and by design. What is there to ask?

    Do you agree with that?

    Not at all. Why would having an installer matter? Most apps on macOS do not.

    I think you meant to say UNinstaller. Again, you must ask the gurus on
    the ASC forums!

    Installer or uninstaller. None needed. No need to ask.

    I cannot believe you said that!

    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums? >>>>>>>>
    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some
    detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and
    where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in.

    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me. >>>>> <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    There is nothing to explain. Not interested. That is it. If you want to get me
    interested you will have to show reasons. I have suggested you do with sharing
    content that might interest me. Even if you do, though, I might look at that
    post and few others. Or even no others.

    The reason you should ask on the ASC forums is for you to *LEARN*!

    Above your example is something I already know. There is no need for an
    installer / uninstaller for most apps on macOS.

    Can you provide support for that claim? I think not!
    Question for you to ask:- "Why does having an App uninstaller matter?"

    I already know at least the basics -- it does not matter. It is not needed. >>
    Where it would matter to have an uninstaller is if files are saved in
    nonstandard places or are very large so they matter when you remove the app. >> Some apps install background processes or helpers and those are not removed by
    deleting the app -- so it matters even more there.[....]


    Thank you for perfectly making my case for me, Brock.

    In your other post in the "Screenshot!" thread, you admitted that you
    blindly dragged an app to the Trash, completely unaware that it had left
    past reports lingering behind in your ~/Library directory until I
    pointed it out to you.

    Furthermore, tools like EtreCheck do exactly what you just described:
    they run background processes, set up launch agents/daemons, and store
    data outside the basic .app bundle.

    By your own explicit admission above, if an app installs background
    helpers or leaves unremoved files behind, it does matter, and an
    uninstaller is needed. Yet, when a developer fails to provide one, and
    leaves users to manually hunt down junk in their ~/Library paths, you
    defend it as "acting as it should."

    You can't have it both ways. Either it "matters even more" for apps that leave background processes and files behindrComeaning my advice to look
    for an uninstaller is entirely correctrCoor you need to go back and
    rewrite your definitions. Which is it?

    A kinder response (with the same basic info):

    You are mixing together two completely different claims.

    1. "Some apps benefit from uninstallers."
    2. "Apps installed outside the App Store should not be installed unless they provide an uninstaller."

    The first can absolutely be true in some cases. The second is plainly false on macOS.

    macOS was intentionally designed around self-contained application bundles.
    For decades, the normal installation method for most Mac apps has simply been dragging an app into /Applications from a DMG, external disk, Zip, or elsewhere. Likewise, the normal removal method has been dragging the app to
    the Trash (Bin). That is not some hack or oversight or clever workaround -- it is by design and common knowledge for most macOS users, or at least those not new to it.

    The existence of leftover support files in ~/Library does not mean the removal "failed" in any way. In most cases those files are intentionally preserved. Preferences, caches, saved reports, logs, templates, and histories are often retained by design. Apple itself documents that apps store data in Library folders. They have APIs that direct files to their proper locations. They have the Library semi-hidden so new / non-techie users do not accidentally stumble into it and cause harm to the proper functioning of an app.

    You keep treating "files remain in Library" as evidence something improper or evil or scary happened. It is not. It is standard macOS behavior.

    You also keep moving between "an app leaves support files behind" and "an app installs privileged background components." Those are very different situations.

    For most apps:
    * no installer is required
    * no uninstaller is required
    * deleting the app is usually sufficient

    For apps that install:
    * launch daemons
    * login items
    * kernel/system/network extensions
    * privileged helpers
    * large shared components

    ...then yes, a dedicated uninstaller is useful and appropriate.

    That is not a contradiction no matter how you try to make it one.

    You claim I "blindly dragged an app to the Trash" without realizing reports remained in ~/Library. Incorrect. I already understood Library support files commonly remain after app removal because that is how macOS works. The point was that you were portraying this as suspicious behavior when it is completely ordinary. Do I know the exact files? Nope. No need and no shame.

    EtreCheck is not unique here. Most Mac apps leave behind preference files, caches, logs, and more after removal. Adobe apps do. Microsoft apps do. Small developer apps do. Apple apps do. Even most App Store apps do. There are some "portable" apps that do not... but those are rare. Here are some examples:

    https://smashingtips.com/portable-mac-osx-application-softwares/

    See how it is noteworthy -- uncommon -- that such an app is designed to not leave behind files (or, more accurately, to keep such files in the same folder so your settings and the like stay the same when you use a different computer or account).

    So no, your original blanket rule is not correct -- Mac apps do not need an installer or uninstaller to be legitimate, safe, or properly designed.

    The real question is not "does it have an uninstaller?" The real question is:
    * What does the app install?
    * Where does it install it?
    * Does it disclose that behavior if not the norm?
    * Is there a reasonable way to remove nonstandard components if present?

    Those are the things that actually matter. And NONE of this points to
    EtreCheck doing a darn thing wrong.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Brock McNuggets@Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed May 27 08:22:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
    On 27/05/2026 00:21, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 26, 2026 at 3:37:51rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7mllvF1ss7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    ...

    Not relevant... especially given the people here. What I am basing this on is
    trying to get you to answer some simple questions... things about where you
    got the idea ALL files tied to an app would go away if you deleted the app. It
    has never been that way -- but you were very resistant to answering and kept
    changing topics. But you DID answer. You noted AI agreed my assessment was
    correct (and thus you were in error). That means, I hope (but doubt) you will
    move on from getting caught up on EtreCheck acting as a standard macOS app.

    That is one of your challenges -- you have no real understanding of even the
    basics of how apps work... why they leave files in the Library or why the
    Library is behind a "soft" hide, for example. Then you see these things and
    create stories in your head of whatever software you are focused on doing
    wrong because it acts AS IT SHOULD.

    I have been taught that one should never install an App from outside of >>>>> the App
    store if it doesn't have it's own uninstaller.

    You have been taught incorrectly.

    Then you need to question this on the ASC forums!

    I already know the answer. It is not in any way true. Most apps on macOS do >> not have installers. That is fine and by design. What is there to ask?

    Do you agree with that?

    Not at all. Why would having an installer matter? Most apps on macOS do not.

    I think you meant to say UNinstaller. Again, you must ask the gurus on
    the ASC forums!

    Installer or uninstaller. None needed. No need to ask.

    I cannot believe you said that!

    Not needed for most macOS apps.


    Viz:-

    *WHY* have you not used your skills and knowledge to help novice users
    who ask questions on the Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums? >>>>>>>>
    Not much has changed since the last time you asked me and we went into some
    detail. I have looked at the ASC forums and not found much of interest. I am
    sure I have looked at the mac-forums, too... not sure about the mac-help. But,
    AGAIN, if you find there are things there you believe would interest me and
    where I might help or get help I am happy to dive in.

    This item might help you reflect on why you aren't involved:-

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256174738?sortBy=rank

    Nothing to "reflect" on. There are MANY communities I am not involved in.

    But ignoring the principal Apple-sponsored forum seems anathema to me. >>>>> <shrug>

    Try to explain your reason for this.

    There is nothing to explain. Not interested. That is it. If you want to get me
    interested you will have to show reasons. I have suggested you do with sharing
    content that might interest me. Even if you do, though, I might look at that
    post and few others. Or even no others.

    The reason you should ask on the ASC forums is for you to *LEARN*!

    Above your example is something I already know. There is no need for an
    installer / uninstaller for most apps on macOS.

    Can you provide support for that claim? I think not!

    https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/install-and-uninstall-other-apps-mh35835/mac

    https://macmost.com/understanding-how-to-install-mac-apps-downloaded-from-web-sites.html

    This is pretty common knowledge.

    Question for you to ask:- "Why does having an App uninstaller matter?"

    I already know at least the basics -- it does not matter. It is not needed. >>
    Where it would matter to have an uninstaller is if files are saved in
    nonstandard places or are very large so they matter when you remove the app. >> Some apps install background processes or helpers and those are not removed by
    deleting the app -- so it matters even more there.[....]


    Thank you for perfectly making my case for me, Brock.

    In your other post in the "Screenshot!" thread, you admitted that you
    blindly dragged an app to the Trash, completely unaware that it had left
    past reports lingering behind in your ~/Library directory until I
    pointed it out to you.

    And itrCOs not an issue. ItrCOs how macOS is designed. Those files cause no harm.


    Furthermore, tools like EtreCheck do exactly what you just described:
    they run background processes, set up launch agents/daemons, and store
    data outside the basic .app bundle.

    Evidence?

    By your own explicit admission above, if an app installs background
    helpers or leaves unremoved files behind, it does matter, and an
    uninstaller is needed.

    I said nothing of unremoved files.

    Yet, when a developer fails to provide one, and
    leaves users to manually hunt down junk in their ~/Library paths, you
    defend it as "acting as it should."

    It is acting as it should.

    You can't have it both ways. Either it "matters even more" for apps that leave background processes and files behindrComeaning my advice to look
    for an uninstaller is entirely correctrCoor you need to go back and
    rewrite your definitions. Which is it?


    Are you actively trolling me with silliness or just not getting even the
    basics of what you read?

    As far as I know EtreCheck does not have any helper apps, launch agents, or daemons. You are simply not understanding and think text files and the like
    are the same.

    Again, part of your issue is you see how your targeted app works and make
    up fairy tails that such behavior is bad when itrCOs the way macOS is
    designed. The majority of macOS apps rCo from the store or not rCo work this way (though those from the Apple Store are installed differently of
    course).

    After years of rCLinvestigationrCY you donrCOt have the ability to know what is wrong because you donrCOt get even the basics of what is right. YourCOre making a complete fool of yourself here.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Gremlin@nobody@haph.org to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed May 27 15:15:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net
    Tue, 26 May 2026 11:43:25 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums
    for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it
    took longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person
    there who is not working on broad ideas but my system specifically.
    When I run into something I can email him and he will hopefully reply.
    I "tested" this a few minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit
    question). Hopefully he continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used
    your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the
    Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    He'd be exposed as a trolling poseur and shitcanned in short order. Don't be so daft, David!

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    What help? He couldn't tell the difference between an engraver and a
    soldering iron. FFS, you walked him through the basic 101 troubleshooting procedures for his 'dead computer'. All of which he should have performed himself, LONG AGO. When are you going to accept reality, David? Your friend, Snit, is a fucking poseur, dishonest troll. And has been exactly that for decades now.
    I told you, you pick the best of them. Pcbutts, snit, pooh, etc. They razzle and dazzle you with bullshitsor. And you eat it, ask for seconds, every
    single time!
    --
    Liar, lawyer; mirror show me, what's the difference?
    Kangaroo done hung the guilty with the innocent
    Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?
    Kangaroo be stoned. He's guilty as the government

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  • From Brock McNuggets@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed May 27 15:45:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On May 27, 2026 at 8:15:12rC>AM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB4597279FF938HT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

    "David B." <"David B."@invalid.org> news:n7lfatFqhefU1@mid.individual.net Tue, 26 May 2026 11:43:25 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

    On 26/05/2026 00:17, Brock McNuggets wrote:
    On May 25, 2026 at 3:56:20rC>PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
    <n7k2ckFjs2cU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 25/05/2026 23:37, pothead wrote:
    And lastly, why hasn't snit reached out to the online Apple forums
    for
    advice?
    He has not claimed to have done so.
    That seems very odd.
    That has always seemed exceptionally odd to me, too.

    I did research, found what I needed, talked to Apple -- and while it
    took longer than it should have, I found a very knowledgeable person
    there who is not working on broad ideas but my system specifically.
    When I run into something I can email him and he will hopefully reply.
    I "tested" this a few minutes ago by sending him an email (with a legit
    question). Hopefully he continues to offer good service.

    I hope so too!

    You being an "Apple" man, through and through, *WHY* have you not used
    your skills and knowledge to help novice users asking questions on the
    Apple Support Communities (ASC) forums?

    You also appear to avoid www.macrumors.com, https://www.mac-forums.com/
    and https://www.mac-help.com/too.

    He'd be exposed as a trolling poseur and shitcanned in short order. Don't be so daft, David!

    Just think how much help you could have been to people, instead of
    wasting your time being a Troll on the Usenet!

    What help? He couldn't tell the difference between an engraver and a soldering iron.

    Cite?

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    * Gremlin was so ignorant of Linux he thought I was saying a DE
    and distro are the same.

    <http://techrights.org/TechBytes/techbytes0056.mp3>

    rCo At 9:54 I make it clear when I am speaking of a specific
    issue with KDE I am speaking of how it is on one specific
    distro by default. It is absolutely clear I know the DE and
    the distro are not the same.

    rCo At 12:15 I again speak of how I am referencing KDE on one
    distro as it comes by default, and how I realize the
    defaults can be changed, and how it is different on other
    distros.

    rCo At 30:50 or so I speak about how you are using not just a DE
    (KDE, specifically) but a distro, and the distro is a lot
    more than just the DE.

    Yet you concluded:

    <XnsACDA1EDB99E5CHT1@1k.r4QzV.C>:
    -----
    Snit is evidently unaware of the fact the distro itself and the DE
    are not one in the same thing.
    -----

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    FFS, you walked him through the basic 101 troubleshooting
    procedures for his 'dead computer'. All of which he should have performed himself, LONG AGO.

    Given how I was not at all concerned about the computer, and still am not,
    why? It is sitting dead in storage. Thinking of destroying the HD of it and some others and getting rid of them all. Remember, the only reason we looked
    at that computer was for your sake -- you wanted to.

    When are you going to accept reality, David? Your friend,
    Snit, is a fucking poseur, dishonest troll. And has been exactly that for decades now.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    * Gremlin did not know that a floppy disk in a drive could stop a
    machine from booting.

    <XnsACC9F360B2F6CHT1@z9kfcl9n7KHDpF0eI.64L>
    -----
    Yea, I call bullshit on that. Driver media doesn't have a valid
    boot sector present. As a result, the machine wouldn't have
    refused to reboot because the disk was left behind.
    -----

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I told you, you pick the best of them. Pcbutts, snit, pooh, etc. They razzle and dazzle you with bullshitsor. And you eat it, ask for seconds, every single time!
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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