Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
On 15.01.26 15:58, jbrennand wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
There is no reason to not upgrade.
On 15 Jan 2026 at 6:03:39rC>pm GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 15.01.26 15:58, jbrennand wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos, >>> a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for >>> my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
There is no reason to not upgrade.
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
On 15 Jan 2026 at 6:03:39rC>pm GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 15.01.26 15:58, jbrennand wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos, >>> a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for >>> my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
There is no reason to not upgrade.
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
On 15.01.26 15:58, jbrennand wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
There is no reason to not upgrade.
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
[...]
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
The best reason for changing is to keep security up to date.
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
On 16/01/2026 13:07, Graeme Wall wrote:
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the
screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd
previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Thanks Graeme,
I use Music quite a bit - so this sounds like a "stopper" for me, until Apple changes that!
And as my mother used to say... "That'll change when Nelson gets his eye back" :-)
JohnB
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos, a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
Am 16.01.26 um 16:39 schrieb jbrennand:
On 16/01/2026 13:07, Graeme Wall wrote:
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the >>> screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd
previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Thanks Graeme,
I use Music quite a bit - so this sounds like a "stopper" for me, until
Apple changes that!
Graeme' assertion is nonsense and can be fixed in seconds. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to handle 5 operating systems from Apple to Windows
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air >>>> to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it >>>> now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos, >>>> a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for >>>> my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the >>>> most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the
screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd
previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air >>>>>> to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it >>>>>> now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos, >>>>>> a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for >>>>>> my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the >>>>>> most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down >>>>> a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother >>>>> me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the >>>> screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd
previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where >>>> on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air >>>>>>> to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it >>>>>>> now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for >>>>>>> my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the >>>>>>> most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down >>>>>> a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother >>>>>> me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the >>>>> screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd
previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where >>>>> on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air >>>>>> to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it >>>>>> now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos, >>>>>> a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for >>>>>> my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the >>>>>> most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down >>>>> a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother >>>>> me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the >>>> screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd
previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where >>>> on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
On 17.01.26 08:15, J||rg Lorenz wrote:
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
BTW: I cannot remember Music ever changed appearance or changed its
behaviour after upgrades.
On 17 Jan 2026 at 07:15:45 GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it >>>>>>>> now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the >>>>>>>> most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down >>>>>>> a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother >>>>>>> me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the >>>>>> screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd >>>>>> previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where >>>>>> on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
When I launched it for the first time after upgrade, I got a screen labelled Home. It consists of adverts for 3 months free with iCloud+ and 1 month free for Musc for the whole family, in neither of which have I any interest.
But if I go to any item in the sidebar, e.g Albums, this vanishes. And if I Quit and relaunch I go back to where I was, not to Home.
I imagine that if I signed out and then relaunched, I would go to Home. I haven't tried the and don't intend to.
On 16/01/2026 21:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the
screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
So you can set the size and position on the screen, adjust the column
widths to suit your preferences and choose which main screen to display
and it remains like that when you relaunch the app?
On 17 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kfr62$2fah9$5@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 21:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it >>>>>>>> now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music >>>>>>>> videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the >>>>>>>> most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down >>>>>>> a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother >>>>>>> me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the >>>>>> screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd >>>>>> previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where >>>>>> on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
So you can set the size and position on the screen, adjust the column
widths to suit your preferences and choose which main screen to display
and it remains like that when you relaunch the app?
Yes, I just tried that.
On 17/01/2026 08:53, Old John wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 at 07:15:45 GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down >>>>>>>> a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother >>>>>>>> me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the
screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd >>>>>>> previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where >>>>>>> on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
When I launched it for the first time after upgrade, I got a screen labelled >> Home. It consists of adverts for 3 months free with iCloud+ and 1 month free >> for Musc for the whole family, in neither of which have I any interest.
But if I go to any item in the sidebar, e.g Albums, this vanishes. And if I >> Quit and relaunch I go back to where I was, not to Home.
I imagine that if I signed out and then relaunched, I would go to Home. I
haven't tried the and don't intend to.
That's the problem, I don't leave the computer permanently on so when rebooted the app reverts to the home screen in the middle of the display
with the ruddy adverts.
On 17 Jan 2026 at 11:20:58 GMT, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 17/01/2026 08:53, Old John wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 at 07:15:45 GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >>>
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down >>>>>>>>> a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the
screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd >>>>>>>> previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where >>>>>>>> on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
When I launched it for the first time after upgrade, I got a screen labelled
Home. It consists of adverts for 3 months free with iCloud+ and 1 month free
for Musc for the whole family, in neither of which have I any interest.
But if I go to any item in the sidebar, e.g Albums, this vanishes. And if I >>> Quit and relaunch I go back to where I was, not to Home.
I imagine that if I signed out and then relaunched, I would go to Home. I >>> haven't tried the and don't intend to.
That's the problem, I don't leave the computer permanently on so when
rebooted the app reverts to the home screen in the middle of the display
with the ruddy adverts.
I fear there is no cure for this disease. You'll just have to thole it.
On 18/01/2026 08:20, Old John wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 at 11:20:58 GMT, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
On 17/01/2026 08:53, Old John wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 at 07:15:45 GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >>>>
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>>>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge! >>>>>>>>>>>
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the
screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd >>>>>>>>> previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
When I launched it for the first time after upgrade, I got a screen labelled
Home. It consists of adverts for 3 months free with iCloud+ and 1 month free
for Musc for the whole family, in neither of which have I any interest. >>>>
But if I go to any item in the sidebar, e.g Albums, this vanishes. And if I
Quit and relaunch I go back to where I was, not to Home.
I imagine that if I signed out and then relaunched, I would go to Home. I >>>> haven't tried the and don't intend to.
That's the problem, I don't leave the computer permanently on so when
rebooted the app reverts to the home screen in the middle of the display >>> with the ruddy adverts.
I fear there is no cure for this disease. You'll just have to thole it.
Translation please?
On 18 Jan 2026 at 08:39:51 GMT, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/01/2026 08:20, Old John wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 at 11:20:58 GMT, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> >>> wrote:
On 17/01/2026 08:53, Old John wrote:
On 17 Jan 2026 at 07:15:45 GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >>>>>
On 16.01.26 22:57, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10ke18d$1tqkf$3@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 18:17, Bill Findlay wrote:
On 16 Jan 2026, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <10kdd5u$1l0jj$2@dont-email.me>):
On 16/01/2026 08:58, Alan B wrote:
On 2026-01-15, jbrennand<brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at >>>>>>>>>>>> v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge! >>>>>>>>>>>>
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
The main area of controversy is Liquid Glass but you can dumb it down
a bit now. I've sort of got used to it now so it doesn't really bother
me. So go for it!
They've totally b******d the Music app UI. Now sits in the middle of the
screen displaying adverts for services I have zero interest in. I'd >>>>>>>>>> previously got it set up nicely to display what I wanted to see, where
on the screen I wanted to see it.
Mine doesn't.
Doesn't what? Come up in the middle of the screen on launch?
Doesn't do any of the things you complain of.
+1; simply the same nice and handy window with all I need.
When I launched it for the first time after upgrade, I got a screen labelled
Home. It consists of adverts for 3 months free with iCloud+ and 1 month free
for Musc for the whole family, in neither of which have I any interest. >>>>>
But if I go to any item in the sidebar, e.g Albums, this vanishes. And if I
Quit and relaunch I go back to where I was, not to Home.
I imagine that if I signed out and then relaunched, I would go to Home. I >>>>> haven't tried the and don't intend to.
That's the problem, I don't leave the computer permanently on so when
rebooted the app reverts to the home screen in the middle of the display >>>> with the ruddy adverts.
I fear there is no cure for this disease. You'll just have to thole it.
Translation please?
"thole 2 | +++O-el |
verb [with object] Scottish English or archaic
endure (something) without complaint or resistance; tolerate: if there's one thing I can't thole it's a lie."
Certainly used as far south as my native Yorkshire.
It's in Dictionary.app.
Hi all,
I am getting tired of Apple's nagware to upgrade my 2020 M1 Macbook Air
to Tahoe. I have resisted until now, but just noticed it is now at
v26.2. So wondering if it is now time to take the plunge!
I dont use any "power packages" on it these days. All I am doing on it
now is the usual, email, browsing, streaming the footy and music videos,
a few spreadsheets and very basic photo editing.
What do yous all think? Is it likely to cause any noticeable issues for
my "modest" requirements. Is it a worthwhile upgrade? What will be the
most noticeable difference from Sequoia?
Thanks in advance for any comments.
| ... ... ... (No reason not to upgrade] ... ...
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
On 15 Jan 2026 at 21:31:46 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
| ... ... ... (No reason not to upgrade] ... ...
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
I like that last one: it begins:
"I was reading Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines from 1992 and found this nice illustration..."
... demonstating that Apple chucked out their own HI Guidelnes some time ago.
1992! That was the time I got my own Mac (at work!) - an SE30. I've never willingly touched a PC since. I used to (ad nauseam) boast to my PC colleagues
how Apple wouldn't endorse _any_ software for the Mac unless it conformed to their HI Guidelines. And all those Shareware programmers were happy to do that.
I haven't reached the end of this thread yet so I don't know what else has been said. But I only have a 2019 Sequoia Intel jobby, so I may ditch it before getting to the end - Tahoe may be irrelevant for me..
As far as I'm concerned, the zenith was Snow Leopard! Everything since then has been more complicated, with more illogical changes, more unnecesssary bells and whistles, and no explanations of "WHY we made this change".
I now imagine Apple's programmers as being a bunch of arrogant geeks alternately exclaiming to each other. "Cool!!", and "Meh ... screw 'em: they'll get used to it!"
And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 15 Jan 2026 at 21:31:46 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
| ... ... ... (No reason not to upgrade] ... ...
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
I like that last one: it begins:
"I was reading Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines from 1992 and found this
nice illustration..."
... demonstating that Apple chucked out their own HI Guidelnes some time ago.
1992! That was the time I got my own Mac (at work!) - an SE30. I've never
willingly touched a PC since. I used to (ad nauseam) boast to my PC colleagues
how Apple wouldn't endorse _any_ software for the Mac unless it conformed to >> their HI Guidelines. And all those Shareware programmers were happy to do >> that.
I haven't reached the end of this thread yet so I don't know what else has >> been said. But I only have a 2019 Sequoia Intel jobby, so I may ditch it
before getting to the end - Tahoe may be irrelevant for me..
As far as I'm concerned, the zenith was Snow Leopard! Everything since then >> has been more complicated, with more illogical changes, more unnecesssary
bells and whistles, and no explanations of "WHY we made this change".
I now imagine Apple's programmers as being a bunch of arrogant geeks
alternately exclaiming to each other. "Cool!!", and "Meh ... screw 'em:
they'll get used to it!"
And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again.
Such is life.
On 29.01.26 10:13, Old John wrote:
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again.
Such is life.
... the rest of the world calls it *progress*.
On 29/01/2026 09:13, Old John wrote:
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote: >>
On 15 Jan 2026 at 21:31:46 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
| ... ... ... (No reason not to upgrade] ... ...
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
I like that last one: it begins:
"I was reading Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines from 1992 and found this
nice illustration..."
... demonstating that Apple chucked out their own HI Guidelnes some time ago.
1992! That was the time I got my own Mac (at work!) - an SE30. I've never
willingly touched a PC since. I used to (ad nauseam) boast to my PC colleagues
how Apple wouldn't endorse _any_ software for the Mac unless it conformed to
their HI Guidelines. And all those Shareware programmers were happy to do >>> that.
I haven't reached the end of this thread yet so I don't know what else has >>> been said. But I only have a 2019 Sequoia Intel jobby, so I may ditch it >>> before getting to the end - Tahoe may be irrelevant for me..
As far as I'm concerned, the zenith was Snow Leopard! Everything since then >>> has been more complicated, with more illogical changes, more unnecesssary >>> bells and whistles, and no explanations of "WHY we made this change".
I now imagine Apple's programmers as being a bunch of arrogant geeks
alternately exclaiming to each other. "Cool!!", and "Meh ... screw 'em:
they'll get used to it!"
And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again.
Such is life.
Why have you stayed loyal, John?
On 29 Jan 2026 at 09:54:22 GMT, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 29/01/2026 09:13, Old John wrote:
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>
On 15 Jan 2026 at 21:31:46 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
| ... ... ... (No reason not to upgrade] ... ...
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
I like that last one: it begins:
"I was reading Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines from 1992 and found this
nice illustration..."
... demonstating that Apple chucked out their own HI Guidelnes some time ago.
1992! That was the time I got my own Mac (at work!) - an SE30. I've never
willingly touched a PC since. I used to (ad nauseam) boast to my PC colleagues
how Apple wouldn't endorse _any_ software for the Mac unless it conformed to
their HI Guidelines. And all those Shareware programmers were happy to do
that.
I haven't reached the end of this thread yet so I don't know what else has >>>> been said. But I only have a 2019 Sequoia Intel jobby, so I may ditch it >>>> before getting to the end - Tahoe may be irrelevant for me..
As far as I'm concerned, the zenith was Snow Leopard! Everything since then
has been more complicated, with more illogical changes, more unnecesssary >>>> bells and whistles, and no explanations of "WHY we made this change".
I now imagine Apple's programmers as being a bunch of arrogant geeks
alternately exclaiming to each other. "Cool!!", and "Meh ... screw 'em: >>>> they'll get used to it!"
And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again.
Such is life.
Why have you stayed loyal, John?
Loyal to what?
On 29 Jan 2026 at 15:37:54 GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 29.01.26 10:13, Old John wrote:
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again.
Such is life.
... the rest of the world calls it *progress*.
I know. Sad, isnt it?
On 30.01.26 09:37, Old John wrote:
On 29 Jan 2026 at 15:37:54 GMT, "J||rg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 29.01.26 10:13, Old John wrote:
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again.
Such is life.
... the rest of the world calls it *progress*.
I know. Sad, isnt it?
No. Not at all.
On 30/01/2026 08:40, Old John wrote:
On 29 Jan 2026 at 09:54:22 GMT, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 29/01/2026 09:13, Old John wrote:
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 15 Jan 2026 at 21:31:46 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
| ... ... ... (No reason not to upgrade] ... ...
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
I like that last one: it begins:
"I was reading Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines from 1992 and found this
nice illustration..."
... demonstating that Apple chucked out their own HI Guidelnes some time ago.
1992! That was the time I got my own Mac (at work!) - an SE30. I've never
willingly touched a PC since. I used to (ad nauseam) boast to my PC colleagues
how Apple wouldn't endorse _any_ software for the Mac unless it conformed to
their HI Guidelines. And all those Shareware programmers were happy to do
that.
I haven't reached the end of this thread yet so I don't know what else has
been said. But I only have a 2019 Sequoia Intel jobby, so I may ditch it >>>>> before getting to the end - Tahoe may be irrelevant for me..
As far as I'm concerned, the zenith was Snow Leopard! Everything since then
has been more complicated, with more illogical changes, more unnecesssary >>>>> bells and whistles, and no explanations of "WHY we made this change". >>>>>
I now imagine Apple's programmers as being a bunch of arrogant geeks >>>>> alternately exclaiming to each other. "Cool!!", and "Meh ... screw 'em: >>>>> they'll get used to it!"
And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again.
Such is life.
Why have you stayed loyal, John?
Loyal to what?
Loyal to *Apple*!
Some folk move back to Microsoft Windows and others move to some flavour
of Linux.
I have Linux Mint 22.3 permanently running on a 2008 24 inch Apple iMac sitting right alongside my 27 inch iMac running macOS Ventura.
I need new hardware to have a newer macOS. Efyo
I'm waiting to see what Apple launches in 2026
On 30 Jan 2026 at 12:27:15 GMT, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/01/2026 08:40, Old John wrote:
On 29 Jan 2026 at 09:54:22 GMT, ""David B."" <David@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>
On 29/01/2026 09:13, Old John wrote:
On 28 Jan 2026 at 18:51:34 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 15 Jan 2026 at 21:31:46 GMT, "TimH" <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
| ... ... ... (No reason not to upgrade] ... ...
Apart from the godawful UI, obviously. See for instance:
https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-windows-on-macos-tahoe/
https://eclecticlight.co/2025/12/28/last-year-on-my-mac-look-back-in-disbelief/
https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/
Maybe wait a while, and Apple might think again about some of the worst bits.
I like that last one: it begins:
"I was reading Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines from 1992 and found this
nice illustration..."
... demonstating that Apple chucked out their own HI Guidelnes some time ago.
1992! That was the time I got my own Mac (at work!) - an SE30. I've never
willingly touched a PC since. I used to (ad nauseam) boast to my PC colleagues
how Apple wouldn't endorse _any_ software for the Mac unless it conformed to
their HI Guidelines. And all those Shareware programmers were happy to do
that.
I haven't reached the end of this thread yet so I don't know what else has
been said. But I only have a 2019 Sequoia Intel jobby, so I may ditch it >>>>>> before getting to the end - Tahoe may be irrelevant for me..
As far as I'm concerned, the zenith was Snow Leopard! Everything since then
has been more complicated, with more illogical changes, more unnecesssary
bells and whistles, and no explanations of "WHY we made this change". >>>>>>
I now imagine Apple's programmers as being a bunch of arrogant geeks >>>>>> alternately exclaiming to each other. "Cool!!", and "Meh ... screw 'em: >>>>>> they'll get used to it!"
And they still haven't fixed Mail!
Grumpy from Oop North
I too recollect "The Good Old Days". My first Mac was a 512K (1985), and I had
a reasonable grasp of what went on under the hood until OSX hit the Mac world.
Since then I've seen the KISS principle violated over and over again. >>>>>
Such is life.
Why have you stayed loyal, John?
Loyal to what?
Loyal to *Apple*!
Some folk move back to Microsoft Windows and others move to some flavour
of Linux.
I have Linux Mint 22.3 permanently running on a 2008 24 inch Apple iMac
sitting right alongside my 27 inch iMac running macOS Ventura.
I need new hardware to have a newer macOS. Efyo
I'm waiting to see what Apple launches in 2026
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I have an M4 iMac just over a year old, as fully up to date as possible. It will see me me out, I guess.
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