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Kennedy canceled 22 mRNA vaccine development projects including the
influenza project, but the initial results were so good that Moderna
applied for FDA approval of the mRNA vaccine under development. The
current flu vaccine can take 18 months to grow up enough virus to make
the killed virus vaccine. It is notorious for selecting the wrong viral strains for use in the vaccine because they choose vaccine strains that
they think will be closely related to the virus that will be infecting
people the next flu season and they are often wrong. The current
vaccine missed the K strain of the virus that accounts for 80% of the
current human infections, but data indicates that even though it doesn't
do a good job at preventing infection that hospitalizations and
mortality are lower among vaccinated than unvaccinated, so the vaccine protects enough to prevent serious illness.

mRNA vaccine only take a few weeks to produce and covid demonstrated
that sequence variants could be easily added to the vaccine as the virus evolved. In initial trials the mRNA vaccine was found to be more
effective than the standard vaccine in use at that time (that vaccine
had missed one of the two variants that were infecting most of the
population at that time.

This means that the mRNA vaccine can be produced using the sequence of
the virus that is responsible for most of the infections instead of
guessing a year a head of time. Covid demonstrated that multivalent
mRNA vaccines were more effective, so multiple sequence variants can be
in the vaccine.

Ron Okimoto

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On 8/6/2026 1:12 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-approves-moderna-mrna-flu-vaccine/

Kennedy canceled 22 mRNA vaccine development projects including the influenza project, but the initial results were so good that Moderna
applied for FDA approval of the mRNA vaccine under development.-a The current flu vaccine can take 18 months to grow up enough virus to make
the killed virus vaccine.-a It is notorious for selecting the wrong viral strains for use in the vaccine because they choose vaccine strains that
they think will be closely related to the virus that will be infecting people the next flu season and they are often wrong.-a The current
vaccine missed the K strain of the virus that accounts for 80% of the current human infections, but data indicates that even though it doesn't
do a good job at preventing infection that hospitalizations and
mortality are lower among vaccinated than unvaccinated, so the vaccine protects enough to prevent serious illness.

mRNA vaccine only take a few weeks to produce and covid demonstrated
that sequence variants could be easily added to the vaccine as the virus evolved.-a In initial trials the mRNA vaccine was found to be more
effective than the standard vaccine in use at that time (that vaccine
had missed one of the two variants that were infecting most of the population at that time.

This means that the mRNA vaccine can be produced using the sequence of
the virus that is responsible for most of the infections instead of
guessing a year a head of time.-a Covid demonstrated that multivalent
mRNA vaccines were more effective, so multiple sequence variants can be
in the vaccine.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-02502-8

Nature has a news article on why the FDA approval of Moderna's mRNA flu vaccine is a good thing. Basically, what I have been saying about the
issue.

Ron Okimoto

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RonO wrote:

On 8/6/2026 1:12 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-approves-moderna-mrna-flu-vaccine/

Kennedy canceled 22 mRNA vaccine development projects including the
influenza project, but the initial results were so good that Moderna
applied for FDA approval of the mRNA vaccine under development.-a The
current flu vaccine can take 18 months to grow up enough virus to make
the killed virus vaccine.-a It is notorious for selecting the wrong
viral strains for use in the vaccine because they choose vaccine
strains that they think will be closely related to the virus that will
be infecting people the next flu season and they are often wrong.-a The
current vaccine missed the K strain of the virus that accounts for 80%
of the current human infections, but data indicates that even though
it doesn't do a good job at preventing infection that hospitalizations
and mortality are lower among vaccinated than unvaccinated, so the
vaccine protects enough to prevent serious illness.

mRNA vaccine only take a few weeks to produce and covid demonstrated
that sequence variants could be easily added to the vaccine as the
virus evolved.-a In initial trials the mRNA vaccine was found to be
more effective than the standard vaccine in use at that time (that
vaccine had missed one of the two variants that were infecting most of
the population at that time.

This means that the mRNA vaccine can be produced using the sequence of
the virus that is responsible for most of the infections instead of
guessing a year a head of time.-a Covid demonstrated that multivalent
mRNA vaccines were more effective, so multiple sequence variants can
be in the vaccine.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-02502-8

Nature has a news article on why the FDA approval of Moderna's mRNA flu vaccine is a good thing.-a Basically, what I have been saying about the issue.

Ron Okimoto

It's kind of moot from my perspective. Having taken the flu vaccine for
most of the last 10 or so years, I don't even remember what flu feels like.

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On 8/14/26 14:15, Lane W wrote:

RonO wrote:

On 8/6/2026 1:12 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-approves-moderna-mrna-flu-vaccine/

Kennedy canceled 22 mRNA vaccine development projects including the
influenza project, but the initial results were so good that Moderna
applied for FDA approval of the mRNA vaccine under development.-a The
current flu vaccine can take 18 months to grow up enough virus to
make the killed virus vaccine.-a It is notorious for selecting the
wrong viral strains for use in the vaccine because they choose
vaccine strains that they think will be closely related to the virus
that will be infecting people the next flu season and they are often
wrong.-a The current vaccine missed the K strain of the virus that
accounts for 80% of the current human infections, but data indicates
that even though it doesn't do a good job at preventing infection
that hospitalizations and mortality are lower among vaccinated than
unvaccinated, so the vaccine protects enough to prevent serious illness. >>>
mRNA vaccine only take a few weeks to produce and covid demonstrated
that sequence variants could be easily added to the vaccine as the
virus evolved.-a In initial trials the mRNA vaccine was found to be
more effective than the standard vaccine in use at that time (that
vaccine had missed one of the two variants that were infecting most
of the population at that time.

This means that the mRNA vaccine can be produced using the sequence
of the virus that is responsible for most of the infections instead
of guessing a year a head of time.-a Covid demonstrated that
multivalent mRNA vaccines were more effective, so multiple sequence
variants can be in the vaccine.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-02502-8

Nature has a news article on why the FDA approval of Moderna's mRNA
flu vaccine is a good thing.-a Basically, what I have been saying about
the issue.

Ron Okimoto

It's kind of moot from my perspective. Having taken the flu vaccine for
most of the last 10 or so years, I don't even remember what flu feels like.

Did anyone ever really know?

How do you tell a 'cold' from the 'flu'?

If you are infected with a 'virus' (rather than
say bacteria) do you have any sensors in your
body that help to tell exactly what the sequence
of the viruses you are infected with are?

People assume they know all sorts of things they
do not, and then 'what do you think, I am stuupiid'
really, really, makes the problem a lot more worse.


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x3 wrote:

On 8/14/26 14:15, Lane W wrote:

RonO wrote:

On 8/6/2026 1:12 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-approves-moderna-mrna-flu-vaccine/

Kennedy canceled 22 mRNA vaccine development projects including the
influenza project, but the initial results were so good that Moderna
applied for FDA approval of the mRNA vaccine under development.-a The >>>> current flu vaccine can take 18 months to grow up enough virus to
make the killed virus vaccine.-a It is notorious for selecting the
wrong viral strains for use in the vaccine because they choose
vaccine strains that they think will be closely related to the virus
that will be infecting people the next flu season and they are often
wrong.-a The current vaccine missed the K strain of the virus that
accounts for 80% of the current human infections, but data indicates
that even though it doesn't do a good job at preventing infection
that hospitalizations and mortality are lower among vaccinated than
unvaccinated, so the vaccine protects enough to prevent serious
illness.

mRNA vaccine only take a few weeks to produce and covid demonstrated
that sequence variants could be easily added to the vaccine as the
virus evolved.-a In initial trials the mRNA vaccine was found to be
more effective than the standard vaccine in use at that time (that
vaccine had missed one of the two variants that were infecting most
of the population at that time.

This means that the mRNA vaccine can be produced using the sequence
of the virus that is responsible for most of the infections instead
of guessing a year a head of time.-a Covid demonstrated that
multivalent mRNA vaccines were more effective, so multiple sequence
variants can be in the vaccine.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-02502-8

Nature has a news article on why the FDA approval of Moderna's mRNA
flu vaccine is a good thing.-a Basically, what I have been saying
about the issue.

Ron Okimoto

It's kind of moot from my perspective. Having taken the flu vaccine
for most of the last 10 or so years, I don't even remember what flu
feels like.

Did anyone ever really know?

How do you tell a 'cold' from the 'flu'?

If you are infected with a 'virus' (rather than
say bacteria) do you have any sensors in your
body that help to tell exactly what the sequence
of the viruses you are infected with are?

People assume they know all sorts of things they
do not, and then 'what do you think, I am stuupiid'
really, really, makes the problem a lot more worse.

If it involves vomiting, or maybe even diarrhea, then I'll call it flu.
I believe that's my basic indication, although, like I said, it's
difficult to remember what it was like.

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On 8/14/2026 5:17 PM, Lane W wrote:

x3 wrote:

On 8/14/26 14:15, Lane W wrote:

RonO wrote:

On 8/6/2026 1:12 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-approves-moderna-mrna-flu-vaccine/

Kennedy canceled 22 mRNA vaccine development projects including the >>>>> influenza project, but the initial results were so good that
Moderna applied for FDA approval of the mRNA vaccine under
development.-a The current flu vaccine can take 18 months to grow up >>>>> enough virus to make the killed virus vaccine.-a It is notorious for >>>>> selecting the wrong viral strains for use in the vaccine because
they choose vaccine strains that they think will be closely related >>>>> to the virus that will be infecting people the next flu season and
they are often wrong.-a The current vaccine missed the K strain of
the virus that accounts for 80% of the current human infections,
but data indicates that even though it doesn't do a good job at
preventing infection that hospitalizations and mortality are lower
among vaccinated than unvaccinated, so the vaccine protects enough
to prevent serious illness.

mRNA vaccine only take a few weeks to produce and covid
demonstrated that sequence variants could be easily added to the
vaccine as the virus evolved.-a In initial trials the mRNA vaccine
was found to be more effective than the standard vaccine in use at
that time (that vaccine had missed one of the two variants that
were infecting most of the population at that time.

This means that the mRNA vaccine can be produced using the sequence >>>>> of the virus that is responsible for most of the infections instead >>>>> of guessing a year a head of time.-a Covid demonstrated that
multivalent mRNA vaccines were more effective, so multiple sequence >>>>> variants can be in the vaccine.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-02502-8

Nature has a news article on why the FDA approval of Moderna's mRNA
flu vaccine is a good thing.-a Basically, what I have been saying
about the issue.

Ron Okimoto

It's kind of moot from my perspective. Having taken the flu vaccine
for most of the last 10 or so years, I don't even remember what flu
feels like.

Did anyone ever really know?

How do you tell a 'cold' from the 'flu'?

If you are infected with a 'virus' (rather than
say bacteria) do you have any sensors in your
body that help to tell exactly what the sequence
of the viruses you are infected with are?

People assume they know all sorts of things they
do not, and then 'what do you think, I am stuupiid'
really, really, makes the problem a lot more worse.

If it involves vomiting, or maybe even diarrhea, then I'll call it flu.
I believe that's my basic indication, although, like I said, it's
difficult to remember what it was like.

The human influeza A is usually a respiratory virus. It is associated
with 20,000 to 70,000 deaths a year in the US (People die even though
the vaccine is available, and there is some mortality associated with vaccinated individuals because the vaccines are not that effective some
years if they pick the wrong vaccine strains to put in the vaccine.
Most of the mortality is due to complications with pneumonia after the individual is first infected by the flu. It can be a gut infection.
The Asian H5N1 strain has a 50% mortality upon infection in Europe and
Asia, and gut infections are common because a lot of Asians get infected
by ingesting raw poultry blood. The Dairy H5N1 has been associated with
no mortality, but it is a reassorted virus, and half of the genes come
from a North American virus, though it retains the H5 and N1 genes of
the Asian strain. It is associated with gut infection of cats that
ingest raw milk or raw poultry and has nearly a 100% mortality because
it usually infects the brain of the cats during the course of infection.
One California child and the Missouri individuals that were infected
had gut infection symptoms when they were infected by the dairy virus.
Their only link to cattle was the pasteurized dairy products that they consumed. It has been assumed that pasteurized dairy products are safe
to consume, but the CDC ran a study that indicated that the virus might survive the most common pasteurization procedure and remain infective in refrigerated milk for at least 4 days (the length of the trial). The
FDA claimed that they were going to check that out, but the study was
never completed. Google claims that the project was canceled due to
budget and personnel cuts when the Trump administration started. This
means that no one really knows how safe the milk supply is, but infected dairies are still allowed to sell the infected milk in some states. The California child and Missouri adults would indicate that the milk supply
is not totally safe, but the FDA and CDC did not change their policy
because they claimed that there was no evidence that the milk products
were the source of infection, even though they did not test the milk
products.

Ron Okimoto

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