• Another transmissible cancer discovered

    From Ernest Major@{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk to talk-origins on Sun Jul 26 20:09:51 2026
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    Another transmissible cancer discovered, this one infecting Ameiurus
    nebulosus (a catfish). It's not the 4th discovered, but that claim goes
    back to the paper in Nature, which overlooks contagious reticulum cell
    sarcoma of Syrian hamsters, and counts the various reports from bivalves
    as a single instance.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2026/07/24/scientists-discover-the-fourth-transmissible-cancer-known-to-science/

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10828-6
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    alias Ernest Major

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sun Jul 26 17:41:47 2026
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    On 7/26/2026 2:09 PM, Ernest Major wrote:
    Another transmissible cancer discovered, this one infecting Ameiurus nebulosus (a catfish). It's not the 4th discovered, but that claim goes
    back to the paper in Nature, which overlooks contagious reticulum cell sarcoma of Syrian hamsters, and counts the various reports from bivalves
    as a single instance.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2026/07/24/scientists-discover- the-fourth-transmissible-cancer-known-to-science/

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10828-6


    This transmissible cancer is different among vertebrates in that it can
    infect genetically dissimilar catfish of the same species. They need to
    check to see if that lake had selection for a limited number of alleles
    at their MHC locus. This is the locus that is involved in telling self
    from nonself antigens. In birds the number of class I genes is limited
    and different alleles have differential resistance to specific
    pathogens, so single populations subjected to a heavy disease load of a particular pathogen could select for a single allele in that lake. All
    the fish may be tissue compatible.

    Googles take on MHC in fish:

    QUOTE:

    MHC Systems in Fish

    Presence: Most jawed fish possess both MHC Class I and MHC Class II
    molecules that manage adaptive immunity.

    Genomic layout: Unlike mammals, teleost (bony) fish often have their
    classical MHC Class I and Class II genes located on separate chromosomes rather than tightly linked together.

    Exceptions: Certain fish groups, such as Atlantic cod and pipefish, have completely lost the MHC Class II pathway during evolution, relying on alternative immune strategies instead.

    Tissue Compatibility and Rejection

    Transplant rejection: Research using scale and skin grafts on fish (such
    as the Gila topminnow) demonstrates clear acute and chronic tissue
    rejection.

    Allele matching: The success of tissue grafts between fish depends
    heavily on how many MHC alleles the donor and recipient share, mimicking
    the mammalian rejection response.

    END QUOTE:

    For Tasmanian devils the cancer is tranferred by biting. The population
    went through a severe bottleneck and from what I have seen, inbred
    individuals are tissue compatible, so the cancer can spread through the population and isn't rejected.

    Ron Okimoto

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