• Ping Sticks: Forms of Faith

    From Martin Harran@martinharran@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat Jun 6 12:31:53 2026
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    I stumbled on this article about extrinsic, intrinsic and quest forms
    of faith. I found it interesting and thought you might too. I've
    started reading some of Harris's other work.

    FWIW, I would regard myself as a mixture of intrinsic and quest.

    https://brianharrisauthor.com/extrinsic-intrinsic-and-quest-forms-of-faith/

    <quote>
    Intrinsic faith is commendable. It is genuine and heartfelt. It is
    deeply enriched when accompanied by an ongoing quest for deeper levels
    of truth. Rather than being dismissive of those who continue to ask
    questions, we should embrace them as followers of the one who
    described himself not only as the way and the life, but also as the
    truth. The search for truth eventually leads to the insight that truth
    is best found in relationship - primarily relationship with Jesus in
    whom, to cite the apostle Paul, 'all things hold together'. *Rather
    than dismissing those who continue to question as lacking belief, we
    should recognise that for those of a quest orientation, questioning is
    part of the essence of faithful belief.* [Author's emphasis]
    </quote>

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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to talk-origins on Sat Jun 6 10:33:16 2026
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    On 6/6/2026 6:31 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
    I stumbled on this article about extrinsic, intrinsic and quest forms
    of faith. I found it interesting and thought you might too. I've
    started reading some of Harris's other work.

    FWIW, I would regard myself as a mixture of intrinsic and quest.

    https://brianharrisauthor.com/extrinsic-intrinsic-and-quest-forms-of-faith/

    <quote>
    Intrinsic faith is commendable. It is genuine and heartfelt. It is
    deeply enriched when accompanied by an ongoing quest for deeper levels
    of truth. Rather than being dismissive of those who continue to ask questions, we should embrace them as followers of the one who
    described himself not only as the way and the life, but also as the
    truth. The search for truth eventually leads to the insight that truth
    is best found in relationship - primarily relationship with Jesus in
    whom, to cite the apostle Paul, 'all things hold together'. *Rather
    than dismissing those who continue to question as lacking belief, we
    should recognise that for those of a quest orientation, questioning is
    part of the essence of faithful belief.* [Author's emphasis]
    </quote>

    Christianity has a big tent. As long as you accept John 3:16 you'll
    probably find a seat. Having questions is natural. At times I envy
    those having been brought up in a family of faith, who don't waste time questioning. They live with the Holy Spirit by their side. I lose
    focus far too easily.
    --
    Science DoesnrCOt Support Darwin. Scientists Do

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