• John Hawks comments on the phylogenetic implications of some Pleistocene dental proteomes

    From Ernest Major@{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk to talk-origins on Sat May 16 14:20:19 2026
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    https://www.johnhawks.net/p/rethinking-homo-erectus-and-denisovans
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    alias Ernest Major

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Sat May 16 08:50:02 2026
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    On 5/16/2026 8:20 AM, Ernest Major wrote:
    https://www.johnhawks.net/p/rethinking-homo-erectus-and-denisovans


    QUOTE:

    The hypothesis in the paper: The ZHS are late Homo erectus, and this
    Asian Homo erectus branch evolved both A253G and M273V, which are not
    found in Homo antecessor or earlier hominins. Some descendants of this
    ZHS H. erectus population interbred with Denisovans sometime after
    400,000 years ago, M273V introgressed into some Denisovans, and much
    later Denisovans transferred that change to the ancestors of some living people.

    A rCLDenisovan geographic variationrCY hypothesis: The ZHS teeth come from a Denisovan population. The common Denisovan ancestors evolved M273V, and
    both ZHS Denisovans and the Siberian Denisovans share this change. The
    ZHS Denisovan branch additionally evolved A253G.

    An rCLearlier introgressionrCY hypothesis: ZHS are an early Denisovan population and have M273V from the common Denisovan ancestor. The
    ancestors of the ZHS Denisovans did mix with earlier Homo erectus, and
    this is where they picked up A253G.

    rCLIntrogression into the ghostrCY: ZHS are Homo erectus or some previously-unknown group. Their ancestors evolved A253G, and they picked
    up M273V from a Denisovan source.

    END QUOTE:

    These are all possible scenarios, but he doesn't take into consideration
    that more ancient sequence has already been found in the Denisovan
    genome that has already been proposed to have come from a distantly
    related Homo that Denisovans interbred with in Asia. Neanderthals do
    not have these sequences. This relative has been proposed to be the
    Asian Homo erectus. What needs to be done is to determine if the M273V Denisovan variant exists among the more ancient DNA sequences that have already been identified. These ancient sequences (possibly H. erectus sequences) only exist as short haplotypes within the Denisovan genome,
    and some of them have been transferred to modern humans from Denisovans
    (the ancient (H. erectus?) haplotypes are flanked by Denisovan sequence
    in modern humans).

    Ron Okimoto

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