• The ID perps are selling tickets to their new movie

    From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Wed Apr 15 18:16:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    https://www.discovery.org/_/story/

    The movie (The Story of Everything) is likely lying in the title because
    MarkE understands that if the ID perps really put out a comprehensive
    and honest portrayal of our universe they would lose all their YEC
    support and most of the OEC support for the ID scam. Ask MarkE, the Top
    Six is not Biblical and is something that needs to be run from and not demonstrated to be reality.

    This just means that they are going to somehow dishonestly portray
    reality in order to keep fooling the YEC rubes (YEC are still their
    largest creationist support base). They and the Scientific creationists
    that came before them did this by taking the gaps and discussing them as independent bits of denial that are not supposed to be used to create
    some coherent god hypothesis because any such honest effort would tell
    anyone that reality is not Biblical. Really, the YEC scientific
    creationists used to use the Big Bang, find tuning, origin of life, the flagellum as a designed machine, the Cambrian explosion, and gaps in the fossil record to fool the rubes, but they never used them to form a
    coherent god hypothesis. Neither had the ID perps until they shot
    themselves in the head by claiming that they were presenting the Top Six
    in the order in which they must have occurred in this universe. It
    linked all the gaps together as something that the designer did in that
    order, and that is not the designer described in the Bible. Meyer
    continued to fool the rubes in the God Hypothesis (they claim that the
    movie is based on the book) by treating the gap arguments as independent arguments, and did not try to relate them to each other, but in a movie
    the gaps have to be presented within a few minutes of each other. They
    are going to have to obfuscate the issue by likely random or distracting filler between their major arguments.

    They have a trailer on the above web page. It looks like they have the
    major ID perps participating in the obfuscation and denial. Tour seems
    to have participated, and Tour has claimed to understand that ID has
    always been a scam, by claiming that he does not know how to do any ID
    science and that he does not support the ID scam. He seems to be
    willing to contribute to the obfuscation and denial. One surprise was Berlinski. I was surprised that he was still supporting the use of ID
    as bait. After the bait and switch started to go down and The Panda's
    Thumb had been created a dicussion about a Berlinski email was put up at
    the Thumb where Berlinski claimed that he had never bought into the ID
    junk. This may have been true because at that time Berlinski had never supported any of the ID scam stupidity like IC or specified complexity.
    All he had ever put up were the old scientific creationists arguments
    about things like gaps in the fossil record, and other creationist
    denial about how evolution could have never happened. I did not expect
    him to last much longer as an ID perp, but for some reason he has kept supporting the ID perps use of ID as bait for the last 24 years. You
    have to start to wonder how much Berlinski has been paid for the last 24 years. Berlinski used to claim to be an agnostic, but his description
    at the ID scam unit no longer makes that claim.

    https://www.discovery.org/p/berlinski/

    Ron Okimoto


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