From Newsgroup: talk.origins

"The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a
protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open
question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual
framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity. Using estimates grounded in modern computational models, we evaluate the
difficulty of assembling structured biological information under
plausible prebiotic conditions. Our results highlight the formidable
entropic and informational barriers to forming a viable protocell within
the available window of Earth's early history. While the idea of Earth
being terraformed by advanced extraterrestrials might violate Occam's
razor from within mainstream science, directed panspermia -- originally proposed by Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel -- remains a speculative but logically open alternative. Ultimately, uncovering physical principles
for life's spontaneous emergence remains a grand challenge for
biological physics."
https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.18545

The paperrCOs central claim can be reduced to:

"When framed in information-theoretic terms, the emergence of the first
living system appears far more constrained and improbable than typically assumed, implying that unknown physical principles or mechanisms may be required." (ChatGPT; I don't have access to the paper)

For some reason, the chorus of a song by Mental As Anything came to
mind, with "nips" substituted:

Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
Whoa-yeah, the gaps are gettin' bigger
Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
Yeah-eah, mmm they're gettin' bigger



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From Newsgroup: talk.origins

On 4/14/2026 1:42 AM, MarkE wrote:

"The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a
protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open
question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual
framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity. Using estimates grounded in modern computational models, we evaluate the difficulty of assembling structured biological information under
plausible prebiotic conditions. Our results highlight the formidable entropic and informational barriers to forming a viable protocell within
the available window of Earth's early history. While the idea of Earth
being terraformed by advanced extraterrestrials might violate Occam's
razor from within mainstream science, directed panspermia -- originally proposed by Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel -- remains a speculative but logically open alternative. Ultimately, uncovering physical principles
for life's spontaneous emergence remains a grand challenge for
biological physics."
https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.18545

The paperrCOs central claim can be reduced to:

"When framed in information-theoretic terms, the emergence of the first living system appears far more constrained and improbable than typically assumed, implying that unknown physical principles or mechanisms may be required." (ChatGPT; I don't have access to the paper)

For some reason, the chorus of a song by Mental As Anything came to
mind, with "nips" substituted:

-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a Whoa-yeah, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a Yeah-eah, mmm they're gettin' bigger

Whoa-hoh-oh, What a nut job.

This paper has never been published in a peer reviewed journal. ARXiv
is not peer reviewed. Not only that, but the author seems to be
delusional and refers to himself as "we". You have to wonder how many
guys are supposed to be circulating in his brain. It could mean that
the other authors did not want to publish the material, and are not
listed. Why did you bother reading the paper, or did you just read the abstract? The guy does seem to be a real scientist, but my guess is
that he dumped this paper into ARXiv because no one else would publish
it. If you go to Google scholar you will find that he has dumped
multiple publications into ARXiv and BioRxiv that do not seem to have
gotten published in a peer reviewed journal. These outlets are supposed
to be where you can publish your papers before they are accepted by a
real journal. The guy looks like he could have a decent science career
if he doesn't self destruct, like referring to himself as "we" when the
paper doesn't seem to be publishable in a reputable journal.

What you are doing is senseless and insane. Why do you not understand
that you are worse than the existing flat earth and geocentric
creationists. Those guys have to lie to themselves about reality and
make lame excuses like NASA is fooling everyone with pictures from the
space station and how the sun, earth and moon were viewed as the
astronauts left earth's orbit and traveled to the moon.

You understand that reality is not Biblical because you have spent a lot
of time trying to demonstrate that life could not have started under the conditions that existed on this planet over 3 billion years ago. The ID
perps make a big deal about it taking 8 billion years to produce just
the right combination of elements to make our solar system suitable for
life on earth. It has to be part of the design. You understand that
the conditions were very different than described in the Bible, and that
the Biblical order of creation cannot be true.

Your continued denial is more insane than what the flat earth and
geocentric creationist have to be. You are depending on the gap never
being filled because you cannot deal honestly with any resolution of the origin of life gap. The designer responsible for the origin of life on
earth is not the designer that is described in the Bible. You know that
the earth is not flat, the universe is not geocentric, and land plants
were not the first life forms created on earth. All that you can
possibly demonstrate is that you should not have been taking the Bible literally in this regard just as everyone that have had to deal with the Biblical failures of the past have understood things to be. The Church Fathers already understood that you are wrong in what you continue to do
over 1500 years ago. None of them were flat earth Biblical
creationists, but we still have flat earth creationist today. You are
worse than a flat earth creationist.

Ron Okimoto

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On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:42:10 +1000
MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:

[]

The paperrCOs central claim can be reduced to:

"When framed in information-theoretic terms, the emergence of the first

I expect it's just another "how improbable" claim.

living system appears far more constrained and improbable than typically assumed, implying that unknown physical principles or mechanisms may be required." (ChatGPT; I don't have access to the paper)

For some reason, the chorus of a song by Mental As Anything came to
mind, with "nips" substituted:

Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
Whoa-yeah, the gaps are gettin' bigger
Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
Yeah-eah, mmm they're gettin' bigger

Good job there's a handy God that'll turn up to fill up the cracks then.




--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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From Newsgroup: talk.origins

On 14/04/2026 4:42 pm, MarkE wrote:

"The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a
protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open
question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual
framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity. Using estimates grounded in modern computational models, we evaluate the difficulty of assembling structured biological information under
plausible prebiotic conditions. Our results highlight the formidable entropic and informational barriers to forming a viable protocell within
the available window of Earth's early history. While the idea of Earth
being terraformed by advanced extraterrestrials might violate Occam's
razor from within mainstream science, directed panspermia -- originally proposed by Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel -- remains a speculative but logically open alternative. Ultimately, uncovering physical principles
for life's spontaneous emergence remains a grand challenge for
biological physics."
https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.18545

The paperrCOs central claim can be reduced to:

"When framed in information-theoretic terms, the emergence of the first living system appears far more constrained and improbable than typically assumed, implying that unknown physical principles or mechanisms may be required." (ChatGPT; I don't have access to the paper)

For some reason, the chorus of a song by Mental As Anything came to
mind, with "nips" substituted:

-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a Whoa-yeah, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a Yeah-eah, mmm they're gettin' bigger

Full paper here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.18545

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From Newsgroup: talk.origins

On 4/15/2026 10:41 PM, MarkE wrote:

On 14/04/2026 4:42 pm, MarkE wrote:

"The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a
protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open
question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual
framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity.
Using estimates grounded in modern computational models, we evaluate
the difficulty of assembling structured biological information under
plausible prebiotic conditions. Our results highlight the formidable
entropic and informational barriers to forming a viable protocell
within the available window of Earth's early history. While the idea
of Earth being terraformed by advanced extraterrestrials might violate
Occam's razor from within mainstream science, directed panspermia --
originally proposed by Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel -- remains a
speculative but logically open alternative. Ultimately, uncovering
physical principles for life's spontaneous emergence remains a grand
challenge for biological physics."
https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.18545

The paperrCOs central claim can be reduced to:

"When framed in information-theoretic terms, the emergence of the
first living system appears far more constrained and improbable than
typically assumed, implying that unknown physical principles or
mechanisms may be required." (ChatGPT; I don't have access to the paper)

For some reason, the chorus of a song by Mental As Anything came to
mind, with "nips" substituted:

-a-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a-a Whoa-yeah, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a-a Yeah-eah, mmm they're gettin' bigger

Full paper here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.18545

I hope that Endres is not blacklisted by his fellow OoL researchers for
his honesty. It did take courage to show his work publicly. Though, I
find it odd he considers panspermia as a viable alternative to
abiogenesis, even with his reservations, since this only kicks the
origins can down the road.
--
Science DoesnrCOt Support Darwin. Scientists Do

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From Newsgroup: talk.origins

On 17/04/2026 1:05 am, sticks wrote:

On 4/15/2026 10:41 PM, MarkE wrote:

On 14/04/2026 4:42 pm, MarkE wrote:

"The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a
protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open
question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual
framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity.
Using estimates grounded in modern computational models, we evaluate
the difficulty of assembling structured biological information under
plausible prebiotic conditions. Our results highlight the formidable
entropic and informational barriers to forming a viable protocell
within the available window of Earth's early history. While the idea
of Earth being terraformed by advanced extraterrestrials might
violate Occam's razor from within mainstream science, directed
panspermia -- originally proposed by Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel
-- remains a speculative but logically open alternative. Ultimately,
uncovering physical principles for life's spontaneous emergence
remains a grand challenge for biological physics."
https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.18545

The paperrCOs central claim can be reduced to:

"When framed in information-theoretic terms, the emergence of the
first living system appears far more constrained and improbable than
typically assumed, implying that unknown physical principles or
mechanisms may be required." (ChatGPT; I don't have access to the paper) >>>
For some reason, the chorus of a song by Mental As Anything came to
mind, with "nips" substituted:

-a-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a-a Whoa-yeah, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a-a Whoa-hoh-oh, the gaps are gettin' bigger
-a-a-a Yeah-eah, mmm they're gettin' bigger

Full paper here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.18545

I hope that Endres is not blacklisted by his fellow OoL researchers for
his honesty.-a It did take courage to show his work publicly.-a Though, I find it odd he considers panspermia as a viable alternative to
abiogenesis, even with his reservations, since this only kicks the
origins can down the road.

Materialists cannot afford to question the fundamental viability of OOL
(for metaphysical and funding reasons). However, panspermia or a
multiverse relax this prohibition, and allow challenges like: "OOL won't
work here. But don't be alarmed, I'm not breaking ranks, just calling on additional probabilistic resources." The additional resources being
other planets, asteroids etc with panspermia; (e.g. Endres), or a
multiverse (e.g. Koonin).

For this reason I'm a fan of panspermia and the multiverse ;)





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