• Re: will socialist china invade hong kong

    From Byker@byker@do~rag.net to soc.culture.china,alt.history.what-if,soc.history.what-if,uk.politics.misc,soc.culture.asian on Fri Aug 2 11:42:39 2019
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    "geranj" wrote in message news:22cbcd47-a202-44f7-8a9b-82954164e178@googlegroups.com...

    Say the the Chinese is only able to nuke one American city. Which American city would be willing to be sacrificed in the name of defending the South China Sea or Taiwan? Would the one you are living in be OK, Byker?

    Like in other wars, we'll let them make the first move.

    Did the South have any idea of what was in store for them when they
    bombarded Ft. Sumter?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1IWVVgANq0

    In 1898, most Americans couldn't have given a shit about Cuba. All that
    changed when the battleship Maine blew up.

    Before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. was isolationist. After Pearl Harbor, we
    couldn't exterminate the Japanese fast enough.

    Currently we're just waiting for Iran to fire on an American warship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY3CFGWapM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrgGcwC2neA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR2-luZpXGI

    Once L.A., Seattle, or San Francisco has been nuked, China will cease to
    exist for the remainder of the 21st Century, and you know it.

    The PLA seems to have ignored Confucius, who said, "Too much causes loss of all."

    Interesting read: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2018-10-15/beijings-nuclear-option

    Let's pretend we're Herman Kahn and think about the unthinkable: http://tinyurl.com/yx9syhvb

    https://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/Book2006.pdf https://arretsurinfo.ch/any-war-with-china-will-be-a-nuclear-war/ https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ChineseNuclearThinking_Final.pdf https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2018-10-15/beijings-nuclear-option

    Taken from a (probably deliberately) leaked Chinese source: 20 American
    cities most likely to be targeted by Chinese ICBMs:

    New York City, New York
    Los Angeles, California
    Chicago, Illinois
    Houston, Texas
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Phoenix, Arizona
    San Antonio, Texas
    San Diego, California
    San Francisco, California
    San Jose, California
    Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas
    Austin, Texas
    Seattle, Washington
    Columbus, Ohio
    Charlotte, North Carolina
    Detroit, Michigan
    El Paso, Texas
    Memphis, Tennessee
    Jacksonville, Florida
    Phoenix, Arizona

    By striking these cities with single 3 MT warheads, they'd kill about 20 million Americans, some 6% of our population. They'd basically cripple the United States economically if they targeted these cities. We'd definitely be "down" but NOT "out".

    Since the Chinese lack enough warheads to take out all our missile silos and military bases, apparently they prefer to hold our population centers
    hostage. Note the curious absence of Washington, D.C. Why spare the U.S. capitol? They think they'll need to keep it for peace negotiations (!).

    Since they would target our population centers, I'm assuming we'd target at least twice as many of theirs (6% of China's population equates to 88
    million). Of course we would contact Moscow to let them know that no
    missiles are coming their way:

    Beijing nuked: https://tinyurl.com/yagl99ww

    And that's just ONE W88 warhead out of 8-12 carried by each Trident missile, twenty of which are on every Ohio-class boomer: https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/trident/

    Surprise! 260 million people live in just 15 Chinese cities

    Shanghai (34 million)
    Guangzhou (25 million)
    Beijing (24.9 million)
    Shenzhen (23.3 million)
    Wuhan (19 million)
    Chengdu (18.1 million)
    Chongqing (17 million)
    Tianjin (15.4 million)
    Hangzhou (13.4 million)
    Xian (12.9 million)
    Changzhou (12.4 million)
    Shantou (12 million)
    Nanjing (11.7 million)
    Jinan (11 million)
    Harbin (10.5 million)

    Then there are the rest of their densely-populated "urban centers":

    Dongguan
    Shenyang
    Guangzhou
    Wenzhou
    Xiamen
    Qingdao
    Suzhou
    Changsha
    Zhengzhou
    Shijiazhuang
    Taiyuan
    Wuxi
    Zibo
    Kunming
    Hefei
    Changchun
    Dalian
    Tangshan
    Ningbo
    Fuzhou
    Taizhou
    Urumqi
    Guiyang
    Nanning

    Plus there are some 360+ military/industrial targets not necessarily in populated areas...

    Still feel like pulling the dragon's tail, Charlie Chan?

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  • From Keema's Nan@fruity_sorric@bungay.com to soc.culture.china, alt.history.what-if, soc.history.what-if, uk.politics.misc, soc.culture.asian on Fri Aug 2 21:36:50 2019
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    On 2 Aug 2019, abelard wrote
    (in article<fu59kehuggb4ka86ns7l84qbl2s6ctcalo@4ax.com>):

    On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:42:39 -0500, "Byker"<byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "geranj" wrote in message news:22cbcd47-a202-44f7-8a9b-82954164e178@googlegroups.com...

    Say the the Chinese is only able to nuke one American city. Which American
    city would be willing to be sacrificed in the name of defending the South China Sea or Taiwan? Would the one you are living in be OK, Byker?

    Like in other wars, we'll let them make the first move.

    Did the South have any idea of what was in store for them when they bombarded Ft. Sumter?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1IWVVgANq0

    In 1898, most Americans couldn't have given a shit about Cuba. All that changed when the battleship Maine blew up.

    Before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. was isolationist. After Pearl Harbor, we couldn't exterminate the Japanese fast enough.

    Currently we're just waiting for Iran to fire on an American warship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY3CFGWapM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrgGcwC2neA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR2-luZpXGI

    Once L.A., Seattle, or San Francisco has been nuked, China will cease to exist for the remainder of the 21st Century, and you know it.

    The PLA seems to have ignored Confucius, who said, "Too much causes loss of all."

    Interesting read: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2018-10-15/beijings-nuclear-op
    tion

    Let's pretend we're Herman Kahn and think about the unthinkable: http://tinyurl.com/yx9syhvb

    https://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/Book2006.pdf https://arretsurinfo.ch/any-war-with-china-will-be-a-nuclear-war/ https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ChineseNuclearThinking_Final.pdf https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2018-10-15/beijings-nuclear-op
    tion

    Taken from a (probably deliberately) leaked Chinese source: 20 American cities most likely to be targeted by Chinese ICBMs:

    New York City, New York
    Los Angeles, California
    Chicago, Illinois
    Houston, Texas
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Phoenix, Arizona
    San Antonio, Texas
    San Diego, California
    San Francisco, California
    San Jose, California
    Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas
    Austin, Texas
    Seattle, Washington
    Columbus, Ohio
    Charlotte, North Carolina
    Detroit, Michigan
    El Paso, Texas
    Memphis, Tennessee
    Jacksonville, Florida
    Phoenix, Arizona

    By striking these cities with single 3 MT warheads, they'd kill about 20 million Americans, some 6% of our population. They'd basically cripple the United States economically if they targeted these cities. We'd definitely be
    "down" but NOT "out".

    Since the Chinese lack enough warheads to take out all our missile silos and
    military bases, apparently they prefer to hold our population centers hostage. Note the curious absence of Washington, D.C. Why spare the U.S. capitol? They think they'll need to keep it for peace negotiations (!).

    Since they would target our population centers, I'm assuming we'd target at least twice as many of theirs (6% of China's population equates to 88 million). Of course we would contact Moscow to let them know that no missiles are coming their way:

    Beijing nuked: https://tinyurl.com/yagl99ww

    And that's just ONE W88 warhead out of 8-12 carried by each Trident missile,
    twenty of which are on every Ohio-class boomer: https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/trident/

    Surprise! 260 million people live in just 15 Chinese cities

    Shanghai (34 million)
    Guangzhou (25 million)
    Beijing (24.9 million)
    Shenzhen (23.3 million)
    Wuhan (19 million)
    Chengdu (18.1 million)
    Chongqing (17 million)
    Tianjin (15.4 million)
    Hangzhou (13.4 million)
    Xian (12.9 million)
    Changzhou (12.4 million)
    Shantou (12 million)
    Nanjing (11.7 million)
    Jinan (11 million)
    Harbin (10.5 million)

    Then there are the rest of their densely-populated "urban centers":

    Dongguan
    Shenyang
    Guangzhou
    Wenzhou
    Xiamen
    Qingdao
    Suzhou
    Changsha
    Zhengzhou
    Shijiazhuang
    Taiyuan
    Wuxi
    Zibo
    Kunming
    Hefei
    Changchun
    Dalian
    Tangshan
    Ningbo
    Fuzhou
    Taizhou
    Urumqi
    Guiyang
    Nanning

    Plus there are some 360+ military/industrial targets not necessarily in populated areas...

    Still feel like pulling the dragon's tail, Charlie Chan?

    socialism has a deranged penchant for malthusianism...reduce
    population

    The nut jobs in the USA seem to have become obsessed with nuking millions of people all of a sudden.

    The land of the free, but only if everyone else is already dead.

    Is this what the bible meant by The Last Trump?


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  • From Byker@byker@do~rag.net to soc.culture.china,alt.history.what-if,soc.history.what-if,uk.politics.misc,soc.culture.asian on Fri Aug 2 18:48:12 2019
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    "Keema's Nan" wrote in message news:0001HW.22F4D662002E89097000102A62EF@news.giganews.com...

    The nut jobs in the USA seem to have become obsessed with nuking millions
    of people all of a sudden.

    Sudden? The People's Republic of China has been in our nuclear crosshairs
    since 1949, when Mao stepped up to the podium.

    Read Daniel Ellsberg's "The Doomsday Machine" to learn how China would've
    been smoked along with the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries had
    the Cuban Missile Crisis gone badly: https://www.amazon.com/Doomsday-Machine-Confessions-Nuclear-Planner/dp/1608196704

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