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The ghost of Samuel Clemens must think by now that
history does more than just "rhyme."

"The Children" is one of the left's favorite cards.

It's ALL politics: https://tinyurl.com/yylvzsmx

Look at what playing the kiddie card has gotten us into in the past: It's
worth noting that when kids are trotted out for political reasons, it's
because that side has run out of ideas and is desperate, so it tries to tug
on heartstrings. Things haven't changed much in the last 100 years.

In WWI, the Euros were so hard-up to get the U.S. involved in the
"European War" that posters and illustrations of children being abused and killed by German soldiers were circulated throughout the U.S. 100 years
later, many historians still feel we were "duped" into sending 110,000
American doughboys to their deaths. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Remember_Belgium.jpg http://tinyurl.com/obducpj

Small wonder that the U.S. balked at involvement in another European war: https://midtifleisen.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/ernst-friedrich.png

Students of WWII will remember the famous 1937 photo of the toddler at the railway station in Shanghai during a Japanese bombardment. It later turned
out to be staged, with the photographer placing the child on the platform. There's also evidence it was faked outright, with the kid and the platform photographed separately and then combined (note the "burning in," the light area around the child's body). Humanitarian Clare Boothe Luce, wife of Time magazine founder Henry Luce, did everything she could to give the pic wide dissemination. Hubby Henry finally tired of wifey's histrionics and
reportedly said, "People don't want to read about yellow men killing yellow men.": http://tinyurl.com/ygebqxp

In the early 60's kids were used as an excuse to get us involved in Vietnam: http://tinyurl.com/hh7mf2t http://femmes-guerres.ens-lyon.fr/IMG/jpg/SouthVNFamilyEscaping.jpg

Ten years later they were used to get us out of Vietnam: http://tinyurl.com/l5qrgmh

At the beginning of the First Gulf War in 1991, there was a story about invading Iraqi troops dumping hundreds of Kuwaiti babies out of their incubators and leaving them to die . The MSM ate it right up without
checking on sources. It later turned out to be a hoax, cooked up by the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.: http://tinyurl.com/46b83yr

Now the kiddie card is being played again, for the sake of bleeding-heart leftists who want to see refugees pouring in from all over the world. Were
it not for the Web, we wouldn't know better, at least not right away. Sure,
a Syrian toddler drowned, but he didn't wash up on the beach. His body
was found in the water among some rocks nearby. Photographers asked the
Turkish soldier to stage the picture by laying him out at the water's edge,
and that's where they fucked up: http://tinyurl.com/otemsyj

And daddy Abdullah's story is bullshit: http://tinyurl.com/ojcgvzp

His family was given FREE housing in Turkey and had been there for THREE
years. Abdullah Kurdi was not in any war zone. He was safe, he had food, he
had over 13,000 Turkish Lira, ($4,400) in cash: https://tinyurl.com/y2myvs2b

Oh, and BTW, that "refugee" who was carrying a child when he was tripped by that Hungarian reporter has turned out to be nothing less than a war
criminal: http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/20092015. Spain decided
to take him in because he's allegedly a good soccer player.

Most recently beaner babies in "caravans" are the subject of choice among
the Democrats and their leftist lackeys in the MSM: https://cdn4.img.sputniknews.com/images/106906/77/1069067720.jpg

[SIGH] The more things change, the more they stay the same. And when this
whole "refugee" bomb blows up in everyone's faces, they'll wonder, "How
could we have been so naNve?" Hopefully, I'll still be around to say, "See,
I told you so!"

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On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:03:08 -0500, Byker wrote:

[SIGH] The more things change, the more they stay the same. And when this whole "refugee" bomb blows up in everyone's faces, they'll wonder, "How
could we have been so naNve?" Hopefully, I'll still be around to say, "See,
I told you so!"

Someone makes a good photo and others copy, sometimes if the person is
honest, they used the word inspire, and sometimes they pretend it is new.


Here is a famous example, the photo "Raising a Flag over the Reichstag" is staged and it is a copy of another famous photo "Flag raising at Iwo Jima."





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In article <13gr92xmtjj8c.1kabdpisqth1q.dlg@40tude.net>,
SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

Here is a famous example, the photo "Raising a Flag over the Reichstag" is staged and it is a copy of another famous photo "Flag raising at Iwo Jima."

You do know the photo of Iwo Jima was staged don't you? The actual flag raising
was a couple of hours earlier with no photographers handy. So they recreated it.

I don't care if the flag over the Reichstag was staged. Or that demolition of the swastika at Nuremburg. What I remember is what they represent: the NSDAP punks got the snot beaten out of them, and for all of Hitler's whining about White Genocide, their attempt to create a master white race was a complete and utter failure. And iDJT's attempt at the same will also be a complete and utter
failure.
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"SolomonW" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:03:08 -0500, Byker wrote:

[SIGH] The more things change, the more they stay the same. And when this
whole "refugee" bomb blows up in everyone's faces, they'll wonder, "How
could we have been so naNve?" Hopefully, I'll still be around to say,
"See, I told you so!"

Someone makes a good photo and others copy, sometimes if the person is honest, they used the word inspire, and sometimes they pretend it is new.

Here is a famous example, the photo "Raising a Flag over the Reichstag" is staged

Interesting story behind that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HchGsN7eM4



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"Siri Cruise" wrote in message news:chine.bleu-380E5B.07554827072019@reader.eternal-september.org...

In article <13gr92xmtjj8c.1kabdpisqth1q.dlg@40tude.net>,
SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

Here is a famous example, the photo "Raising a Flag over the Reichstag"
is
staged and it is a copy of another famous photo "Flag raising at Iwo
Jima."

You do know the photo of Iwo Jima was staged don't you? The actual flag raising was a couple of hours earlier with no photographers handy. So they recreated it.

Uh, we already knew that, Siri.

I don't care if the flag over the Reichstag was staged. Or that demolition
of the swastika at Nuremburg. What I remember is what they represent: the NSDAP punks got the snot beaten out of them, and for all of Hitler's
whining about White Genocide, their attempt to create a master white race
was a complete and utter failure. And iDJT's attempt at the same will also
be a complete and utter failure.

In Russia, picture takes you:

"Bloody dwarf" commissar Nicolai Yezov:

https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc4NjAyOTgzNDE3NTY3/stalin-composite-16x9.jpg

Now you see him, now you don't.

The Soviets became masters of airbrushing and retouching...

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On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:03:08 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

Now the kiddie card is being played again, for the sake of bleeding-heart >leftists who want to see refugees pouring in from all over the world. Were
it not for the Web, we wouldn't know better, at least not right away. Sure,
a Syrian toddler drowned, but he didn't wash up on the beach. His body
was found in the water among some rocks nearby. Photographers asked the >Turkish soldier to stage the picture by laying him out at the water's edge, >and that's where they fucked up: http://tinyurl.com/otemsyj

And daddy Abdullah's story is bullshit: http://tinyurl.com/ojcgvzp

His family was given FREE housing in Turkey and had been there for THREE >years. Abdullah Kurdi was not in any war zone. He was safe, he had food, he >had over 13,000 Turkish Lira, ($4,400) in cash: https://tinyurl.com/y2myvs2b

What made THAT incident particularly egregious was the actions of
Kurdi's sister who made a big deal about Canada's hard-heartedness
during the peak period of the 2015 election. The party running for
re-election said Canada would take 20000 Syrians while Justin
Trudeau's party - who ended up winning as much due to this one factor
as any other - committed to 35000.

Unlike some of the things Russian trolls are alleged to have done
during the US 2016 campaign there is little doubt that this incident
and the image of the drowned child was featured in every Canadian
newspaper during the election.

Turned out the whole thing was FAKE NEWS as the dead child's father
had picked up a Canadian refugee application form BUT HAD NOT ACTUALLY
APPLIED TO COME TO CANADA! The ruling party was castigated for not
expediting their application which is difficult for a governent to do
when no application had been made.

Kurdi's sister said some utterly horrible things about what terrible
people Canadians were and the press ate it up. All lies. All within a
month of the election.

Bottom line is if there was ever a Canadian version of "America - love
it or leave it" she should have been deported on the first ship out.

But sister's accusations were widely spread around and influenced the
campaign at least as much as Hilary's "Deplorable" comments the
following year did. However the fact checking in this case did not
occur until AFTER publication.

So pardon me if I consider "Kurdi" a dirty word. That family has had
enough tragedy but it WASN'T my country's fault and given what the
aunt said I don't feel Canada should extend any hands to benefit
someone who clearly believes in FAKE NEWS.
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 23:15:02 +1000, SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com>
wrote:

Here is a famous example, the photo "Raising a Flag over the Reichstag" is >staged and it is a copy of another famous photo "Flag raising at Iwo Jima."

Given the iconic quality of the Mt Suribachi flag photo I completely
understand why Stalin wanted an equally iconic picture of Soviet
troops in Berlin.

Even if it meant a bit of photo retouching of one of the soldiers
whose wrist showed TWO wristwatches which was an obvious sign of
looting.

To me it would be more surprising if the leaders of the Red Army in
April / May 1945 did NOT want a few iconic photos for use in
nationalistic propaganda. "The Great Patriotic War of the Soviet
Union" ranks far higher in Soviet / Russian iconography than anything
in Britain or the United States.

Putin refers to it repeatedly even today.
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SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

Here is a famous example, the photo "Raising a Flag
over the Reichstag" is staged ...

Staged? In what sense? The building was captured on 2 May
Photographer Yevgeny Khaldei then arrived, with a flag his
uncle had sent him for the occasion. He grabbed a couple
of passing soldiers, and they went up to the roof. Khaldei
had them raise the flag while he took the picture.

It was a ceremony - planned in advance but not faked.

(The picture had to be altered before publication. One of
the flag raisers had two wristwatches on his arm - which
meant he had been looting.)
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It was a ceremony - planned in advance but not faked.

(The picture had to be altered before publication. One of the flag raisers had two wristwatches on his arm - which meant he had been looting.)

Apologists say that was not a wristwatch but a compass, but then, why
airbrush it out?

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On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 17:39:29 -0500, Rich Rostrom wrote:

SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

Here is a famous example, the photo "Raising a Flag
over the Reichstag" is staged ...

Staged? In what sense? The building was captured on 2 May
Photographer Yevgeny Khaldei then arrived, with a flag his
uncle had sent him for the occasion. He grabbed a couple
of passing soldiers, and they went up to the roof. Khaldei
had them raise the flag while he took the picture.

It was a ceremony - planned in advance but not faked.

(The picture had to be altered before publication. One of
the flag raisers had two wristwatches on his arm - which
meant he had been looting.)

Read here

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Raising_a_Flag_over_the_Reichstag




the famous photo was staged.


What happened is after seeing the US photo
of the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima, Yevgeny Khaldei spent a lot of time pondering and planning his picture.

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"Siri Cruise" wrote in message news:chine.bleu-380E5B.07554827072019@reader.eternal-september.org...

I don't care if the flag over the Reichstag was staged. Or that demolition
of the swastika at Nuremburg. What I remember is what they represent: the NSDAP punks got the snot beaten out of them, and for all of Hitler's
whining about White Genocide, their attempt to create a master white race
was a complete and utter failure.

As was the Soviet superman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man

AKA Homo Sovieticus <sarcasm>: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Sovieticus

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SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

the famous photo was staged.

What do you mean by that?

It was planned in advance; so was the Gettysburg Address.
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On 7/28/2019 4:40 PM, Rich Rostrom wrote:

SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

the famous photo was staged.

What do you mean by that?

It was planned in advance; so was the Gettysburg Address.

The photo was staged in the sense that the flag had already been raised,
and the second episode was purely for a more dramatic photo.
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In article <zy07t3jgi4wb.ljhksceg80d3$.dlg@40tude.net>,
SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

the famous photo was staged.

And I still celebrate what it represent.
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On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 19:46:10 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:

In article <zy07t3jgi4wb.ljhksceg80d3$.dlg@40tude.net>,
SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

the famous photo was staged.

And I still celebrate what it represent.

It is a brilliant photo, perhaps the best picture of ww2.

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On 7/29/19 6:42 AM, SolomonW wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 19:46:10 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:

In article <zy07t3jgi4wb.ljhksceg80d3$.dlg@40tude.net>,
SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> wrote:

the famous photo was staged.

And I still celebrate what it represent.

It is a brilliant photo, perhaps the best picture of ww2.

Agreed.

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