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  • Re: Do you think that WWII and the Soviet experience in it was in any way crucial or vital to the Soviet Union's downfall several decades later?

    From Byker@byker@do~rag.net to alt.history.what-if,soc.history.what-if,alt.economics,alt.politics.communism,soc.culture.russia on Sat Jul 20 15:20:22 2019
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    "SolomonW" wrote in message
    news:d5x4tuac3udq$.enow9clyqey9.dlg@40tude.net...

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 18:47:00 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear <m4josh@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Do you think that WWII and the Soviet experience in it was in any way >>>crucial or vital to the Soviet Union's downfall several decades later?

    In other words, in a scenario where WWII would have never occurred (for >>>instance, if Britain and France hold firm in 1938 and the SK are able to >>>overthrow Hitler and the Nazis before war actually breaks out), do you >>>think that the Soviet Union would have still eventually collapsed and >>>broken up? Or do you think that the Soviet collapse and break-up could >>>have been avoided in this scenario?

    Even without losing 20+ milion people Russia had some woeful economic
    problems to overcome and Stalin's methods wouldn't accomplish what was
    needed.

    Indeed but they were overcoming it, the Russian economy was doing okay
    till the 1980s

    Oh? The Soviet collapse was a foregone conclusion from the get-go. It was
    just a matter of when and how: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

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  • From SolomonW@SolomonW@citi.com to alt.history.what-if,soc.history.what-if,alt.economics,alt.politics.communism,soc.culture.russia on Sun Jul 21 12:15:13 2019
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    On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:20:22 -0500, Byker wrote:

    "SolomonW" wrote in message news:d5x4tuac3udq$.enow9clyqey9.dlg@40tude.net...

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 18:47:00 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear <m4josh@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Do you think that WWII and the Soviet experience in it was in any way >>>>crucial or vital to the Soviet Union's downfall several decades later?

    In other words, in a scenario where WWII would have never occurred (for >>>>instance, if Britain and France hold firm in 1938 and the SK are able to >>>>overthrow Hitler and the Nazis before war actually breaks out), do you >>>>think that the Soviet Union would have still eventually collapsed and >>>>broken up? Or do you think that the Soviet collapse and break-up could >>>>have been avoided in this scenario?

    Even without losing 20+ milion people Russia had some woeful economic
    problems to overcome and Stalin's methods wouldn't accomplish what was
    needed.

    Indeed but they were overcoming it, the Russian economy was doing okay
    till the 1980s

    Oh? The Soviet collapse was a foregone conclusion from the get-go. It was just a matter of when and how: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union


    People have been predicting the certainity of a nuclear ww3, the end of oil
    and global warming ever since I can remember.
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  • From Byker@byker@do~rag.net to alt.history.what-if,soc.history.what-if,alt.economics,alt.politics.communism,soc.culture.russia on Sat Jul 20 22:14:47 2019
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    "SolomonW" wrote in message news:dvcgyciqrioy$.17am3dt98vou5.dlg@40tude.net...

    People have been predicting the certainity of a nuclear ww3, the end of
    oil and global warming ever since I can remember.

    Writing about such subjects is a cottage industry ;-)
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  • From pyotr filipivich@phamp@mindspring.com to alt.history.what-if,soc.history.what-if,alt.economics,alt.politics.communism,soc.culture.russia on Sat Jul 20 22:18:22 2019
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    SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> on Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:15:13 +1000 typed
    in soc.history.what-if the following:
    On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:20:22 -0500, Byker wrote:

    "SolomonW" wrote in message
    news:d5x4tuac3udq$.enow9clyqey9.dlg@40tude.net...

    On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 18:47:00 -0700, The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT), WolfBear <m4josh@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Do you think that WWII and the Soviet experience in it was in any way >>>>>crucial or vital to the Soviet Union's downfall several decades later? >>>>>
    In other words, in a scenario where WWII would have never occurred (for >>>>>instance, if Britain and France hold firm in 1938 and the SK are able to >>>>>overthrow Hitler and the Nazis before war actually breaks out), do you >>>>>think that the Soviet Union would have still eventually collapsed and >>>>>broken up? Or do you think that the Soviet collapse and break-up could >>>>>have been avoided in this scenario?

    Even without losing 20+ milion people Russia had some woeful economic
    problems to overcome and Stalin's methods wouldn't accomplish what was >>>> needed.

    Indeed but they were overcoming it, the Russian economy was doing okay
    till the 1980s

    Oh? The Soviet collapse was a foregone conclusion from the get-go. It was
    just a matter of when and how:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union


    People have been predicting the certainity of a nuclear ww3, the end of oil >and global warming ever since I can remember.

    "The End Times, like the poor, will be with you always." Sister
    Mary Francis
    --
    pyotr filipivich.
    For Sale: Uncirculated Roman Drachmas, feature Julius Ceaser's Portrait, several dated 44 BCE. Comes with Certificate of Authenticity.
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  • From Byker@byker@do~rag.net to alt.history.what-if,soc.history.what-if,alt.economics,alt.politics.communism,soc.culture.russia on Sun Jul 21 13:43:20 2019
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    "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message news:0ps7je5rhforknobkvf01u6ftd8g05upc9@4ax.com...

    "The End Times, like the poor, will be with you always." Sister Mary
    Francis

    Here's another Sword of Damocles that never fails to sell: Economic
    collapse. You'll only get 64.7 million hits on Google: https://tinyurl.com/y29gc9pg
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