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  • CP and RA Correction? Felicia, wife of John Woodcock and John Lumley

    From Greg Cooke@gdcooke50@gmail.com to soc.genealogy.medieval on Wed Jul 31 18:46:46 2024
    From Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval

    Greetings,

    By most accounts, the wife of John Woodcock and (2) John Lumley is given
    as the daughter of Sir Matthew Redman/Redmayne. See CP 8:271; RA 3: 672
    Lumley 15.

    Both references seem to rely on the Sir John's monumental inscription,
    as reported in Surtees' History of Durham, but that MI was made in 1594,
    when sir john's remains were moved to Chester-le-Street, some 170 years
    after his death.

    The _History of Parliament_ (1993) has notes for Richard Redman
    (Felicia's would-be brother) and her first husband, John Woodcock that
    her father was Thomas Austyn, d. c1391, mercer and alderman of London.

    Weblinks to HoP online:
    Richard: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/redmayne-sir-richard-1426
    John: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/woodcock-john-1409

    Those notes cite Corporation of London RO, hr 134/69, 140/61; Guildhall
    Lib. London 9171/1, ff. 244-5. Both of those collections are now with
    London Met. Archives and I have no clue as to what their archival
    reference numbers are now. However, the _Calendar of Record Books:
    Letter Book I_ pp. 112-113 (available here: https://archive.org/details/calendarofletter09corp/page/112/mode/2up)
    has this:

    "17 March, 14 Henry IV. [A.D. 1412-13], came John, son of John Wodecok, mercer, being now of full age, and acknowledged that he had received
    from [names of the executors] of the deceased, certain goods,rCa also the
    sum of -u20, bequeathed to him by Thomas Austyn, mercer, his grandfather."

    RA at 3:673 does acknowledge the HoP notes but simply dismisses them
    without explanation: "(incorrectly identifies wife Felicity as daughter
    of Thomas Austyn)", overlooking the bequest shown above.

    I can't see in the SGM archive where this has been discussed before.
    Comments?

    Thanks
    Greg Cooke
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  • From Adrian Channing@AdrianChanning@aol.com to soc.genealogy.medieval on Fri Aug 2 19:55:09 2024
    From Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval

    From _The Merchant Class of Medieval London_ by Sylvia L Thrupp 1962
    edition p 374-5 giving several refs:

    Felicia da of Thomas Austyn, mercer m (1stly) John Wodecok (d 1408-9).
    In 1409 Felicia m (2ndly) Sir John Lumley of Durham. Her issue (1) John (eldest) of age by 1413, (2) William d by 1421 and (3) Joan m William
    Lomely [sic]
    No mention of Redman

    Adrian


    On 01/08/2024 02:46, Greg Cooke wrote:
    Greetings,

    By most accounts, the wife of John Woodcock and (2) John Lumley is given
    as the daughter of Sir Matthew Redman/Redmayne. See CP 8:271; RA 3: 672 Lumley 15.

    Both references seem to rely on the Sir John's monumental inscription,
    as reported in Surtees' History of Durham, but that MI was made in 1594, when sir john's remains were moved to Chester-le-Street, some 170 years after his death.

    The _History of Parliament_ (1993) has notes for Richard Redman
    (Felicia's would-be brother) and her first husband, John Woodcock that
    her father was Thomas Austyn, d. c1391, mercer and alderman of London.

    Weblinks to HoP online:
    Richard: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/redmayne-sir-richard-1426
    John: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/woodcock-john-1409

    Those notes cite Corporation of London RO, hr 134/69, 140/61; Guildhall
    Lib. London 9171/1, ff. 244-5. Both of those collections are now with
    London Met. Archives and I have no clue as to what their archival
    reference numbers are now. However, the _Calendar of Record Books:
    Letter Book I_ pp. 112-113 (available here: https://archive.org/details/calendarofletter09corp/page/112/mode/2up)
    has this:

    "17 March, 14 Henry IV. [A.D. 1412-13], came John, son of John Wodecok, mercer, being now of full age, and acknowledged that he had received
    from [names of the executors] of the deceased, certain goods,rCa also the sum of -u20, bequeathed to him by Thomas Austyn, mercer, his grandfather."

    RA at 3:673 does acknowledge the HoP notes but simply dismisses them
    without explanation: "(incorrectly identifies wife Felicity as daughter
    of Thomas Austyn)", overlooking the bequest shown above.

    I can't see in the SGM archive where this has been discussed before. Comments?

    Thanks
    Greg Cooke
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