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On 6/23/2025 9:01 PM, taf wrote:

On 6/15/2025 10:04 PM, Stewart Baldwin wrote:

For the moment, I guess I am willing to acknowledge the possibility
that the Piasts and some random sixth century Pict might have had a
common direct male-line ancestor living a few thousand years ago, but
I remain skeptical.

At a minimum, I am withholding judgment until I see the paper and see
what exactly that 'Pictish' sample is, and how closely related it is.
The author stated that the paper had been accepted for publication, but
it has not yet appeared on the journal's web site. (It is an open-access online journal, but produced as a lower-tier sister-publication of one
of the most respected science journals - I will drop a URL once it
appears.)

I promised a URL when the article on Piast DNA was published. Well,
something squirrely is going on. I have been checking regularly, and the article has yet to appear, even though it doesn't take anywhere near
this long for an accepted science paper to be published in an
open-access online journal like the one named.

Either the author was misquoted or exaggerating when he said it had been accepted, or it was 'accepted with revisions' but the demanded revisions
were so onerous that it amounted to de facto rejection.

Either way, I am no longer expecting imminent publication, as I was when
I promised a URL.

taf
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Details are a little light on the ground at this point, but there is apparently a DNA study to be published in the coming months that
formally reports the results of a study that was discussed at a recent scientific meeting. Until the paper comes out, we only have the various
press releases to go by, but the gist of it is that DNA analysis was
performed on 33 (30 male, 3 female) attributed Piast-family cathedral entombments dating from about 1100 to the 1400s. They apparently found
the same extremely rare Y-haplotype in the males.

The kicker is that the closest relative of that has been identified was
a ~6th century Pict from Scotland. That seemingly is going to cause some reevaluation of the genealogical foundation legend.

taf
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On 12/06/2025 8:46 pm, taf wrote:

Details are a little light on the ground at this point, but there is apparently a DNA study to be published in the coming months that
formally reports the results of a study that was discussed at a recent scientific meeting. Until the paper comes out, we only have the various press releases to go by, but the gist of it is that DNA analysis was performed on 33 (30 male, 3 female) attributed Piast-family cathedral entombments dating from about 1100 to the 1400s. They apparently found
the same extremely rare Y-haplotype in the males.

The kicker is that the closest relative of that has been identified was
a ~6th century Pict from Scotland. That seemingly is going to cause some reevaluation of the genealogical foundation legend.

Now that some of reports are claiming a Scottish origin for the Piast
dynasty, I guess that it is just a matter of time before somebody claims
that they are direct male-line descendants of the Pictish king Bridei
son of Maelch|| (by far the most famous sixth century Pict), to be
followed not long after that by somebody claiming to have identified
each intervening generation.

For the moment, I guess I am willing to acknowledge the possibility that
the Piasts and some random sixth century Pict might have had a common
direct male-line ancestor living a few thousand years ago, but I remain skeptical.

Stewart Baldwin

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From Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval

On 6/15/2025 10:04 PM, Stewart Baldwin wrote:

For the moment, I guess I am willing to acknowledge the possibility that
the Piasts and some random sixth century Pict might have had a common
direct male-line ancestor living a few thousand years ago, but I remain skeptical.

At a minimum, I am withholding judgment until I see the paper and see
what exactly that 'Pictish' sample is, and how closely related it is.
The author stated that the paper had been accepted for publication, but
it has not yet appeared on the journal's web site. (It is an open-access online journal, but produced as a lower-tier sister-publication of one
of the most respected science journals - I will drop a URL once it
appears.)
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