Costentin kin of Bohun, Semilly/ Clinton
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The Costentin family of Staffordshire , charters at Caens Scripta and Foundation charters indicate that there is a family connection to the Clinton,and Bohun families.
Geoffrey son of Humphrey de Costentin, who died sometime between 1136
and 1139 had four sons: Geoffrey de Thorpe , Robert, Elias and William
de Costentin.
First off, the four Costentin brothers ( Geoffrey, Robert, Elias and
William) witnessed the foundation charters of Buildwas, by Roger de
Clinton, and also of Kennilworth by Geoffrey de Clinton.
Costantini ,held Constantin, a village in Valonges.
Constantin had 4 sons, and a daughter who married Corbo de Semilly:
1. Neel son of Constantini (Neel de Brevands) married Asceline, he
confirmed his donation at the chapel of the King in the Village of
Costantine at Valognes. "Nigellus son Constantine, left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there, with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the
consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the
count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the rendering
in Wallonia"
2. Humfrid de Costentin, Knt. of Eudo Dapifer, Witnessed foundation
charter of St. Johns Abbey of Eudo.
He was the undertenant of Coppingford in 1086, who held the manor,
assessed at four hides, of the Earl of Chester. Also held at DD, Manor
of Beria, Suffolk
two carucates belonging to Count Alan
3. Rodulf(us) filius Constantin [charter : 1079-1083]
Ralph de Costentin, DD, held Oldbury, Shropshire
* The original overlords were the fitz Alan family,
This info is crucial to how Oldbury.
4. Peter , son of "Constant" Knt. of Eudo Dapifer witnessed,
foundation charter of Eudo the Dapifer of St. John's Abbey, Colchester
5. __________, a daughter of Constantini and sister of Neel de
Brevands. married Corb/|Corbo/Corbon/Corvi de Semilly, grandfather of
Geoffrey de Clinton.
Notes:
Humphrey de Bohun and his brother Richard de Meri named Ralph de
Constantin a (Kinsman)
Interestingly, Humphrey de Bohun, held the church of Notre Dame at Brevands.
Nigel went to Apulia: "Nigellus son Constantine , He left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there , with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the
consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the
count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the rendering
in Wallonia (Valognes)
INGELGER [I] de Bohun ([after 1092]-[1172]). His absence from his
fatherrCOs 1092 charter suggests that Ingelger was born later. A charter
dated to [1105] records "Savaric son of Cana and Muriel his wife"
donating "the church of Isemburna..." to S|-es Saint-Martin, witnessed by rCLRicardus de Mereio et Lucia uxor eius...Ex hominus quoque Ricardi de
Mereio : Ingelgerius et Alexander filii Ricardi...rCY[444]. Le Pr|-vost
cites a charter under which rCLEngelger, de la famille de BohunrCY referred
to donations to Montebourg, including a donation made by rCLWillelmus Estur...in...villa (Trivilla), quam G. de Clintonia michi in hereditate
dedit, quando inter Henricum regem et ipsum pacem fecirCY (that donation
dated to [1130])[445], in the context of OrdericrCOs report in 1130 of a rebellion by rCLGoisfredus de Clintonis, ut dicuntrCY against King Henry I[446]: the Clinton rebellion appears to be the same mentioned by Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy" on the roll dated 1198, when recording that "a daughter of
Richard de Meri was apparently the wife of one Engelger, a Norman of the Cotentin, who in 1130 was instrumental in making peace between Henry I
and his favourite Geoffrey de Clinton" (see below for discussion of this supposed daughter)[447]
Ingelger de Bohun witnessed the foundation charter of Kennilworth by
Geoffrey de Clinton and alongside the four Cosntentin brothers.
More to comerCa.
Robert Spencer
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On 7/24/2025 6:51 PM, Robert Spencer wrote:
On 7/21/2025 8:29 AM, Robert Spencer wrote:
The Costentin family of Staffordshire , charters at Caens Scripta and
Foundation charters indicate that there is a family connection to the
Clinton,and Bohun families.
Geoffrey son of Humphrey de Costentin, who died sometime between 1136
and 1139 had four sons: Geoffrey de Thorpe , Robert, Elias and William
de Costentin.
First off, the four Costentin brothers ( Geoffrey, Robert, Elias and
William) witnessed the foundation charters of Buildwas, by Roger de
Clinton, and also of Kennilworth by Geoffrey de Clinton.
Costantini ,held Constantin, a village in Valonges.
Constantin had 4 sons, and a daughter who married Corbo de Semilly:
1. Neel son of Constantini (Neel de Brevands) married Asceline, he
confirmed his donation at the chapel of the King in the Village of
Costantine at Valognes. "Nigellus son Constantine, left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there, with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the
consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the
count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the
rendering in Wallonia"
2. Humfrid de Costentin, Knt. of Eudo Dapifer, Witnessed foundation
charter of St. Johns Abbey of Eudo.
He was the undertenant of Coppingford in 1086, who held the manor,
assessed at four hides, of the Earl of Chester. Also held at DD, Manor
of Beria, Suffolk
two carucates belonging to Count Alan
3. Rodulf(us) filius Constantin [charter : 1079-1083]
Ralph de Costentin, DD, held Oldbury, Shropshire
* The original overlords were the fitz Alan family,
This info is crucial to how Oldbury.
4. Peter , son of "Constant" Knt. of Eudo Dapifer witnessed,
foundation charter of Eudo the Dapifer of St. John's Abbey, Colchester
5. __________, a-a daughter of Constantini and sister of Neel de
Brevands. married Corb/|Corbo/Corbon/Corvi de Semilly, grandfather of
Geoffrey de Clinton.
Notes:
Humphrey de Bohun and his brother Richard de Meri named Ralph de
Constantin a (Kinsman)
Interestingly, Humphrey de Bohun, held the church of Notre Dame at
Brevands.
Nigel went to Apulia: "Nigellus son Constantine , He left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there , with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the
consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the
count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the
rendering in Wallonia (Valognes)
INGELGER [I] de Bohun ([after 1092]-[1172]). His absence from his
fatherrCOs 1092 charter suggests that Ingelger was born later. A charter
dated to [1105] records "Savaric son of Cana and Muriel his wife"
donating "the church of Isemburna..." to S|-es Saint-Martin, witnessed
by rCLRicardus de Mereio et Lucia uxor eius...Ex hominus quoque Ricardi
de Mereio : Ingelgerius et Alexander filii Ricardi...rCY[444]. Le
Pr|-vost cites a charter under which rCLEngelger, de la famille de BohunrCY >> referred to donations to Montebourg, including a donation made by
rCLWillelmus Estur...in...villa (Trivilla), quam G. de Clintonia michi
in hereditate dedit, quando inter Henricum regem et ipsum pacem
fecirCY (that donation dated to [1130])[445], in the context of
OrdericrCOs report in 1130 of a rebellion by rCLGoisfredus de Clintonis,
ut dicuntrCY against King Henry I[446]: the Clinton rebellion appears to
be the same mentioned by Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the
Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy" on the roll dated 1198, when
recording that "a daughter of Richard de Meri was apparently the wife
of one Engelger, a Norman of the Cotentin, who in 1130 was
instrumental in making peace between Henry I and his favourite
Geoffrey de Clinton" (see below for discussion of this supposed
daughter)[447]
Ingelger de Bohun witnessed the foundation charter of Kennilworth by
Geoffrey de Clinton and alongside the four Cosntentin brothers.
More to comerCa.
Robert Spencer
Please cite this work and use only with my permission elsewhere.
-aDear list, in the previous post I mentioned a place called "Trivilla" that Geoffrey de Clinton gave to INGELGER [I] de Bohun, a vassal. This
place can now be identified as Thieville, 15 km south of Corbon, which
is also near present day Mery-Corbon. Later, William, son of Robert
Estur donated it to Montebourg. Norman Exchequer Pages XXVi & XXVii by Thomas Stapleton
https://www.google.ca/books/edition/ Magni_Rotuli_Scaccarii_Normanniae_sub_Re/2iRDAAAAcAAJ? hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Ralph+de+Meri&pg=PR25&printsec=frontcover
Robert Spencer
Further proof of Bohun and Brevand ( which is Costentin) connection..
daughter . Nun at Saint-Leger, Pr|-aux. Thomas Stapleton, in his
"Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy" on the
roll dated 1198, states that "Humphrey de Bohon" confirmed his donation
of the tithe of "Barbivilla and the church of Notre-Dame de Brevans
(Brevand" to the monastery of Saint-Leger at Pr|-aux for "a second
daughter of his admitted into the monastery", with the consent of his
sons "Richard and Humphrey and Ralph du Cotentin ( Ralph de Costentin ,
of Oldbury) their cousin", undated, but he does not cite the source reference[461].
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On 7/21/2025 8:29 AM, Robert Spencer wrote:
The Costentin family of Staffordshire , charters at Caens Scripta and Foundation charters indicate that there is a family connection to the Clinton,and Bohun families.
Geoffrey son of Humphrey de Costentin, who died sometime between 1136
and 1139 had four sons: Geoffrey de Thorpe , Robert, Elias and William
de Costentin.
First off, the four Costentin brothers ( Geoffrey, Robert, Elias and William) witnessed the foundation charters of Buildwas, by Roger de
Clinton, and also of Kennilworth by Geoffrey de Clinton.
Costantini ,held Constantin, a village in Valonges.
Constantin had 4 sons, and a daughter who married Corbo de Semilly:
1. Neel son of Constantini (Neel de Brevands) married Asceline, he
confirmed his donation at the chapel of the King in the Village of Costantine at Valognes. "Nigellus son Constantine, left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there, with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the
consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the rendering
in Wallonia"
2. Humfrid de Costentin, Knt. of Eudo Dapifer, Witnessed foundation
charter of St. Johns Abbey of Eudo.
He was the undertenant of Coppingford in 1086, who held the manor,
assessed at four hides, of the Earl of Chester. Also held at DD, Manor
of Beria, Suffolk
two carucates belonging to Count Alan
3. Rodulf(us) filius Constantin [charter : 1079-1083]
Ralph de Costentin, DD, held Oldbury, Shropshire
* The original overlords were the fitz Alan family,
This info is crucial to how Oldbury.
4. Peter , son of "Constant" Knt. of Eudo Dapifer witnessed,
foundation charter of Eudo the Dapifer of St. John's Abbey, Colchester
5. __________, a-a daughter of Constantini and sister of Neel de
Brevands. married Corb/|Corbo/Corbon/Corvi de Semilly, grandfather of Geoffrey de Clinton.
Notes:
Humphrey de Bohun and his brother Richard de Meri named Ralph de
Constantin a (Kinsman)
Interestingly, Humphrey de Bohun, held the church of Notre Dame at
Brevands.
Nigel went to Apulia: "Nigellus son Constantine , He left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there , with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the rendering
in Wallonia (Valognes)
INGELGER [I] de Bohun ([after 1092]-[1172]). His absence from his
fatherrCOs 1092 charter suggests that Ingelger was born later. A charter dated to [1105] records "Savaric son of Cana and Muriel his wife"
donating "the church of Isemburna..." to S|-es Saint-Martin, witnessed by rCLRicardus de Mereio et Lucia uxor eius...Ex hominus quoque Ricardi de Mereio : Ingelgerius et Alexander filii Ricardi...rCY[444]. Le Pr|-vost cites a charter under which rCLEngelger, de la famille de BohunrCY referred to donations to Montebourg, including a donation made by rCLWillelmus Estur...in...villa (Trivilla), quam G. de Clintonia michi in hereditate dedit, quando inter Henricum regem et ipsum pacem fecirCY (that donation dated to [1130])[445], in the context of OrdericrCOs report in 1130 of a rebellion by rCLGoisfredus de Clintonis, ut dicuntrCY against King Henry I[446]: the Clinton rebellion appears to be the same mentioned by Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy" on the roll dated 1198, when recording that "a daughter of
Richard de Meri was apparently the wife of one Engelger, a Norman of the Cotentin, who in 1130 was instrumental in making peace between Henry I
and his favourite Geoffrey de Clinton" (see below for discussion of this supposed daughter)[447]
Ingelger de Bohun witnessed the foundation charter of Kennilworth by Geoffrey de Clinton and alongside the four Cosntentin brothers.
More to comerCa.
Robert Spencer
Please cite this work and use only with my permission elsewhere.
An other interesting connection a Bohun to the Costentin family.
The Red Book of the Exchequer records enfeoffments in the duchy of
Normandy in [1172], "Engelger de Boun" with two knights and seven
knights "in Costentino" in his own service[447]. These knights are
likely to be the children of one or more of Costentin brothers that
witnessed the foundation charter of Kennilworth by Geoffrey de Clinton. Engelger Bohun had previously witnessed the same foundation charter.
My Notes:
Again "Costentino) refers to the village of Costentini located in
Valognes which held a chapel of the King. The same place that Neel de
Brevands "a Costentin" travelled to confirm his gift.
[447] Red Book Exchequer, Part II, Infeudationes militumrCaduci Normanni|arCa1172, p. 627.
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soc.genealogy.medieval on Mon Aug 18 13:58:33 2025
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On 7/21/2025 8:29 AM, Robert Spencer wrote:
The Costentin family of Staffordshire , charters at Caens Scripta and Foundation charters indicate that there is a family connection to the Clinton,and Bohun families.
Geoffrey son of Humphrey de Costentin, who died sometime between 1136
and 1139 had four sons: Geoffrey de Thorpe , Robert, Elias and William
de Costentin.
First off, the four Costentin brothers ( Geoffrey, Robert, Elias and William) witnessed the foundation charters of Buildwas, by Roger de
Clinton, and also of Kennilworth by Geoffrey de Clinton.
Costantini ,held Constantin, a village in Valonges.
Constantin had 4 sons, and a daughter who married Corbo de Semilly:
1. Neel son of Constantini (Neel de Brevands) married Asceline, he
confirmed his donation at the chapel of the King in the Village of Costantine at Valognes. "Nigellus son Constantine, left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there, with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the
consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the rendering
in Wallonia"
2. Humfrid de Costentin, Knt. of Eudo Dapifer, Witnessed foundation
charter of St. Johns Abbey of Eudo.
He was the undertenant of Coppingford in 1086, who held the manor,
assessed at four hides, of the Earl of Chester. Also held at DD, Manor
of Beria, Suffolk
two carucates belonging to Count Alan
3. Rodulf(us) filius Constantin [charter : 1079-1083]
Ralph de Costentin, DD, held Oldbury, Shropshire
* The original overlords were the fitz Alan family,
This info is crucial to how Oldbury.
4. Peter , son of "Constant" Knt. of Eudo Dapifer witnessed,
foundation charter of Eudo the Dapifer of St. John's Abbey, Colchester
5. __________, a-a daughter of Constantini and sister of Neel de
Brevands. married Corb/|Corbo/Corbon/Corvi de Semilly, grandfather of Geoffrey de Clinton.
Notes:
Humphrey de Bohun and his brother Richard de Meri named Ralph de
Constantin a (Kinsman)
Interestingly, Humphrey de Bohun, held the church of Notre Dame at
Brevands.
Nigel went to Apulia: "Nigellus son Constantine , He left it to the
consul, when he went to Apulia , to make the prebend of Cesarisburgh
from there , with another increase which Odo soon had , and, with the consent of the count, he conceded in the increase which he had of the count's chapel in Constantine , namely forty solidates of the rendering
in Wallonia (Valognes)
INGELGER [I] de Bohun ([after 1092]-[1172]). His absence from his
fatherrCOs 1092 charter suggests that Ingelger was born later. A charter dated to [1105] records "Savaric son of Cana and Muriel his wife"
donating "the church of Isemburna..." to S|-es Saint-Martin, witnessed by rCLRicardus de Mereio et Lucia uxor eius...Ex hominus quoque Ricardi de Mereio : Ingelgerius et Alexander filii Ricardi...rCY[444]. Le Pr|-vost cites a charter under which rCLEngelger, de la famille de BohunrCY referred to donations to Montebourg, including a donation made by rCLWillelmus Estur...in...villa (Trivilla), quam G. de Clintonia michi in hereditate dedit, quando inter Henricum regem et ipsum pacem fecirCY (that donation dated to [1130])[445], in the context of OrdericrCOs report in 1130 of a rebellion by rCLGoisfredus de Clintonis, ut dicuntrCY against King Henry I[446]: the Clinton rebellion appears to be the same mentioned by Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy" on the roll dated 1198, when recording that "a daughter of
Richard de Meri was apparently the wife of one Engelger, a Norman of the Cotentin, who in 1130 was instrumental in making peace between Henry I
and his favourite Geoffrey de Clinton" (see below for discussion of this supposed daughter)[447]
Ingelger de Bohun witnessed the foundation charter of Kennilworth by Geoffrey de Clinton and alongside the four Cosntentin brothers.
More to comerCa.
Robert Spencer
Please cite this work and use only with my permission elsewhere.
More proof of the relation of Constantin comes from the
thesauri.unicaen.fr where Constantin is stated to be related to
Onfroy de Vieilles and his family.
Constantinus, consanguineus eorum1
Naissance : n. c.
Mort : n. c.
Attestations
rCa1077/1081rCa2 : |evoqu|- dans la pancarte relatant la fondation de lrCOabbaye
Saint-L|-ger de Pr|-aux par Onfroy de Vieilles (v. 1050 - 1066) .
Relations
Il est parent avec Onfroy de Bohon et ses fils Robert3, Richard, Onfroy
et de Raoul4.
https://thesauri.unicaen.fr/autorites/personnes/doc/pddn_p.202507151633129130200.html
1. Scripta, Acte no 6542. | 2. Scripta, Acte no 6542 (1077-1078 ou
1080-1081). Mentionn|- dans une pancarte post|-rieure. | 3. Keats-Rohan
1999, p. 359. | 4. Scripta, Acte no 6542.
Robert
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