• Re: Newton's gravity

    From Parker Zholudev@vle@vlvaeek.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Sep 19 15:35:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    On 09/13/2026 at 20:47, Luigi Fortunati wrote:
    In the frame https://ibb.co/PsG2JQXK taken from the video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbK8T-ZbcZZA there are two bodies:
    body A (the satellite of mass m) and body B (the Earth of mass M).

    And there are two forces =E2=80=93 gravitational, of course: F1
    (exer=
    ted by the
    Earth on the satellite) and F2 (exerted by the satellite on the
    Earth=
    ).

    Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that of
    the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.
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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Sep 19 23:10:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 15:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Parker Zholudev wrote:

    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    On 09/13/2026 at 20:47, Luigi Fortunati wrote:
    In the frame https://ibb.co/PsG2JQXK taken from the video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbK8T-ZbcZZA there are two bodies:
    body A (the satellite of mass m) and body B (the Earth of mass M).

    And there are two forces =E2=80=93 gravitational, of course: F1
    (exer=
    ted by the
    Earth on the satellite) and F2 (exerted by the satellite on the
    Earth=
    ).

    Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that of
    the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    an object can be observed to accelerate during free fall. A force is
    clearly still acting on it. Only an idiot would claim that curved space is
    the cause.
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  • From Mikko@mikko.levanto@iki.fi to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 12:50:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 19/09/2026 18:35, Parker Zholudev wrote:
    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    > On 09/13/2026 at 20:47, Luigi Fortunati wrote:
    >> In the frame https://ibb.co/PsG2JQXK taken from the video
    >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbK8T-ZbcZZA there are two bodies:
    >> body A (the satellite of mass m) and body B (the Earth of mass M).
    >>
    >> And there are two forces =E2=80=93 gravitational, of course: F1
    >> (exer=
    ted by the
    >> Earth on the satellite) and F2 (exerted by the satellite on the
    >> Earth=
    ).
    >
    > Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that of
    the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of
    a body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the natural
    motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, which
    a freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but formulated differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural motion of a
    body so there is no force.
    --
    Mikko
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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Sep 20 03:55:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Mikko wrote:
    On 19/09/2026 18:35, Parker Zholudev wrote:
    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    -a > On 09/13/2026 at 20:47, Luigi Fortunati wrote:
    -a >> In the frame https://ibb.co/PsG2JQXK-a taken from the video
    -a >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbK8T-ZbcZZA there are two bodies: >>> -a >> body A (the satellite of mass m) and body B (the Earth of mass M). >>> -a >>
    -a >> And there are two forces =E2=80=93 gravitational, of course: F1
    -a >> (exer=
    ted by the
    -a >> Earth on the satellite) and F2 (exerted by the satellite on the
    -a >> Earth=
    ).
    -a >
    -a > Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that of
    the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of
    a body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the natural
    motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, which
    a freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but formulated differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural motion of a
    body so there is no force.

    Speaking of antimatter, ChatGPT told me antimatter is rare everywhere in
    the universe. How can I further access ChatGPTs connection to the
    *entire* universe? This wasn't even just the known universe I understand.
    --
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    Everything I cry for laughs into my face
    Everything I scream for barely knows my name
    Everything I'd die for will die just the same
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  • From Webster Abalmasov@be@vats.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 14:12:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson wrote:

    6 15:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Parker Zholudev wrote:

    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    an object can be observed to accelerate during free fall. A force is
    clearly still acting on it. Only an idiot would claim that curved space
    is the cause.

    imbecile, the acceleration has nothing to do with the force. And how would
    you know that, that there is a force, once the mesurement instruments
    shows clearly there is nono. Fucking imbecile, stop posting in science
    groups.
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  • From Bob Balagula@ul@lbb.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 14:20:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Mikko wrote:

    On 19/09/2026 18:35, Parker Zholudev wrote:
    Luigi Fortunati wrote:
    > Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that of
    the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of a
    body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the natural
    motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, which a
    freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but formulated differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural motion of a body
    so there is no force.

    discard that theory, the nature, aka the measurement instruments shows
    none forces does exists. Also, change your hobby, that's not science.
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  • From Dmitry Rokhmanov@rr@oyr.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 14:28:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Mikko wrote:

    On 19/09/2026 18:35, Parker Zholudev wrote:
    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    > Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that of
    the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of a
    body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the natural
    motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, which a
    freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but formulated differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural motion of a body
    so there is no force.

    idiot, how could freefall not be natural motion; then it has nothing to do with constant speeds. Incredible, neither this guy knows what the
    acceleration is.
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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 16:12:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:12:24 -0000 (UTC), Webster Abalmasov wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:

    6 15:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Parker Zholudev wrote:

    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    an object can be observed to accelerate during free fall. A force is
    clearly still acting on it. Only an idiot would claim that curved space
    is the cause.

    imbecile, the acceleration has nothing to do with the force. And how
    would you know that, that there is a force, once the mesurement
    instruments shows clearly there is nono.

    HAHHAAAHAHAHAH! This idiot can't think beyond a spring accelerometer! What
    a moron! A girl in free fall can monitor her ABSOLUTE acceleration with
    radar. A distant observer can monitor it with a telescope...and a = F/m.

    Fucking genius, stop posting the truth
    in this science group.

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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 16:21:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Dmitry Rokhmanov wrote:

    Mikko wrote:

    On 19/09/2026 18:35, Parker Zholudev wrote:
    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    > Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that
    of the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of a
    body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the natural
    motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, which a
    freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but formulated
    differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural motion of a
    body so there is no force.

    idiot, how could freefall not be natural motion; then it has nothing to
    do with constant speeds. Incredible, neither this guy knows what the acceleration is.

    Every star is in the natural state of free fall. Every star is
    accelerating towards an indeterminate centre of mass that is also
    accelerating and continually changing...but I'm sure that is far too hard
    for you.

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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 11:41:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Dmitry Rokhmanov wrote:

    Mikko wrote:

    On 19/09/2026 18:35, Parker Zholudev wrote:
    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    > Those two forces describe the same interaction.

    Yes, it is the gravitational interaction of the third law that
    provides=20 TWO forces, that of the Earth on the satellite and that
    of the satellite=20 on the Earth.

    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of a
    body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the natural
    motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, which a
    freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but formulated
    differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural motion of a
    body so there is no force.

    idiot, how could freefall not be natural motion; then it has nothing to
    do with constant speeds. Incredible, neither this guy knows what the
    acceleration is.

    Every star is in the natural state of free fall. Every star is
    accelerating towards an indeterminate centre of mass that is also accelerating and continually changing...but I'm sure that is far too hard
    for you.

    Since you're smarter than that guy, you shouldn't have to sit around and
    call him stupid, right? Isn't it enough to prove him devastatingly wrong?
    --
    Everything I fight for leaves a bitter taste
    Everything I cry for laughs into my face
    Everything I scream for barely knows my name
    Everything I'd die for will die just the same
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  • From Luther Bekhoev@votueh@lebeeuot.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 18:46:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Dmitry Rokhmanov wrote:

    Mikko wrote:
    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of a
    body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the natural
    motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, which a
    freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but formulated
    differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural motion of a
    body so there is no force.

    idiot, how could freefall not be natural motion; then it has nothing to
    do with constant speeds. Incredible, neither this guy knows what the
    acceleration is.

    Every star is in the natural state of free fall. Every star is
    accelerating towards an indeterminate centre of mass that is also accelerating and continually changing...but I'm sure that is far too
    hard for you.

    that has nothing to do with your force, you inbreed imbecile. Write down
    the expression for acceleration, to see what it is. I bet you dont know
    what that is.
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  • From Quinten Bagramov@gu@gri.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 18:47:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Lane W wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Dmitry Rokhmanov wrote:

    Mikko wrote:
    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of
    a body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the
    natural motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed,
    which a freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but
    formulated differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural
    motion of a body so there is no force.

    idiot, how could freefall not be natural motion; then it has nothing
    to do with constant speeds. Incredible, neither this guy knows what
    the acceleration is.

    Every star is in the natural state of free fall. Every star is
    accelerating towards an indeterminate centre of mass that is also
    accelerating and continually changing...but I'm sure that is far too
    hard for you.

    Since you're smarter than that guy, you shouldn't have to sit around and
    call him stupid, right? Isn't it enough to prove him devastatingly
    wrong?

    proven cretin, get lost
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  • From Christal Bakastov@hkakkc@ctaai.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 18:51:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:12:24 -0000 (UTC), Webster Abalmasov wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    an object can be observed to accelerate during free fall. A force is
    clearly still acting on it. Only an idiot would claim that curved
    space is the cause.

    imbecile, the acceleration has nothing to do with the force. And how
    would you know that, that there is a force, once the mesurement
    instruments shows clearly there is nono.

    HAHHAAAHAHAHAH! This idiot can't think beyond a spring accelerometer!
    What a moron! A girl in free fall can monitor her ABSOLUTE acceleration
    with radar. A distant observer can monitor it with a telescope...and a =
    F/m.

    what has the springs with acceleration, fuckin imbecile. Amazing the level
    of imbecility in this almost science forum
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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Sep 20 13:55:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Quinten Bagramov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Dmitry Rokhmanov wrote:

    Mikko wrote:
    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of >>>>> a body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the
    natural motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed, >>>>> which a freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but
    formulated differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural
    motion of a body so there is no force.

    idiot, how could freefall not be natural motion; then it has nothing
    to do with constant speeds. Incredible, neither this guy knows what
    the acceleration is.

    Every star is in the natural state of free fall. Every star is
    accelerating towards an indeterminate centre of mass that is also
    accelerating and continually changing...but I'm sure that is far too
    hard for you.

    Since you're smarter than that guy, you shouldn't have to sit around and
    call him stupid, right? Isn't it enough to prove him devastatingly
    wrong?

    proven cretin, get lost

    You are a big dummy. Here I am and I'm going to take over the world.
    --
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    Everything I cry for laughs into my face
    Everything I scream for barely knows my name
    Everything I'd die for will die just the same
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  • From Mikko@mikko.levanto@iki.fi to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 21 10:42:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 20/09/2026 17:12, Webster Abalmasov wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:

    6 15:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Parker Zholudev wrote:

    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    an object can be observed to accelerate during free fall. A force is
    clearly still acting on it. Only an idiot would claim that curved space
    is the cause.

    imbecile, the acceleration has nothing to do with the force. And how would you know that, that there is a force, once the mesurement instruments
    shows clearly there is nono. Fucking imbecile, stop posting in science groups.

    The motivation for sci.physics.relativity was made clear in the
    discussion before it was created, and that motivation was not
    scientific.

    But sci.math is a real scientific group.
    --
    Mikko
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  • From Earlton Kachnov@cvnt@vth.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 21 17:26:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Mikko wrote:

    On 20/09/2026 17:12, Webster Abalmasov wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:

    6 15:35:17 -0000 (UTC), Parker Zholudev wrote:

    Luigi Fortunati wrote:

    On 09/15/2026 at 04:08, Mikko wrote:
    Two forces, not just one.

    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it; idiots.

    an object can be observed to accelerate during free fall. A force is
    clearly still acting on it. Only an idiot would claim that curved
    space is the cause.

    imbecile, the acceleration has nothing to do with the force. And how
    would you know that, that there is a force, once the mesurement
    instruments shows clearly there is nono. Fucking imbecile, stop posting
    in science groups.

    The motivation for sci.physics.relativity was made clear in the
    discussion before it was created, and that motivation was not
    scientific.

    But sci.math is a real scientific group.

    ok, this is nice
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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 21 19:19:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 18:51:30 -0000 (UTC), Christal Bakastov wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:12:24 -0000 (UTC), Webster Abalmasov wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    there are no forces applied in freefall, only by opposing it;
    idiots.

    an object can be observed to accelerate during free fall. A force is
    clearly still acting on it. Only an idiot would claim that curved
    space is the cause.

    imbecile, the acceleration has nothing to do with the force. And how
    would you know that, that there is a force, once the mesurement
    instruments shows clearly there is nono.

    HAHHAAAHAHAHAH! This idiot can't think beyond a spring accelerometer!
    What a moron! A girl in free fall can monitor her ABSOLUTE acceleration
    with radar. A distant observer can monitor it with a telescope...and a
    =
    F/m.

    what has the springs with acceleration, fuckin imbecile. Amazing the
    level of imbecility in this almost science forum

    Your own contributions are perfect examples of that.

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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Sep 21 19:28:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 18:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Luther Bekhoev wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Dmitry Rokhmanov wrote:

    Mikko wrote:
    That depends on the theory. There is always a force if the motion of
    a body differs from its natural motion. In Newton's theory the
    natural motion of a body is along a stright line with constant speed,
    which a freefal usually isn't. Cartan's theory is equivalent but
    formulated differently. In Cartan's theory freefall is the natural
    motion of a body so there is no force.

    idiot, how could freefall not be natural motion; then it has nothing
    to do with constant speeds. Incredible, neither this guy knows what
    the acceleration is.

    Every star is in the natural state of free fall. Every star is
    accelerating towards an indeterminate centre of mass that is also
    accelerating and continually changing...but I'm sure that is far too
    hard for you.

    that has nothing to do with your force, you inbreed imbecile. Write down
    the expression for acceleration, to see what it is. I bet you dont know
    what that is.

    Poor fellow! Inferiority complex! Keep studying mate and you might
    eventually start to like yourself! (even if nobody else does)

    a = F/m, that's why stars free fall in curved paths, as they do.

    F = ? is why two bar magnets hold themselves together.



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