• Re: REASONS RELATIVISTS GIVE FOR DOUBLED DEFLECTION OF NEWTON'S:

    From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 15 18:36:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 06/29/2024 09:12 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 06/29/2024 08:59 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 06/29/2024 08:36 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
    Doubling Newtonan affect of gravity for light violates Galileo's finding >>> that all masses are affected the same and Eotvos finding that all
    materials are affected the same. This has never been justified by
    relativity and cannot be. It is extremely ad hoc.

    You figure mathematics must explain it somehow.

    Vitali was a geometer when analytic geometry was the thing
    and algebraic geometry was becoming the thing in the days of
    the rigorous formalization of real analysis and when measure
    theory was becoming a thing. So, what he showed, was, you
    take the unit interval, and split it up into infinitesimals,
    and re-composing those, it results having a length between
    1 and 3, or 2, instead of 1.

    So, that was made the first example of "non-measurable sets",
    yet, also it's the first sort of example of "doubling space".

    The "doubling space" and "doubling measure" is most popularized
    as the Banach-Tarski equi-decomposability of a ball into two,
    yet really it's Vitali and Hausdorff who did that first in
    geometry, then later the algebraists approached it from the
    side of words of algebra instead of the side of points of
    geometry.

    So, these days that's much involved in "invariant" theory,
    which is about symmetries and conservation and Noether's theorem,
    about invariants. So, these "doubling measures" for doubling
    spaces are a thing in measure theory, "quasi-invariant", measure
    theory.

    Now, what this is is a very relevant and salient fact about
    discretization and quantization, and about why for root-mean
    and these kinds of things, are introduced the term "1/2",
    about the doubling space and halving space, and doubling
    measure and halving measure, as a simpler sort of fact from
    mathematics, about the nature of discretizing the continuous
    and vice-versa, why it's so.

    Thus, "re-Vitali-izing measure theory" is the thing.

    These days it's talked about as "the measure problem",
    because standard measure theory arrives at wanting to
    talk about things yet it's "measure zero", then what
    results is a lot of Hausdorff-style buildouts the
    other way arriving at an "almost everywhere", then
    forgetting that in the derivation, instead of resolving
    it as some "re-Vitali-izing" measure theory.



    Then there's also Fresnel and "large lensing".



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arago_spot


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