• More from the Trailer Park Boys (Was: Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox)

    From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 15 19:41:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    How it started:

    Randy and the Lawnmower
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17Yy5buCdM

    How it is going:

    Keep off the grass folks
    https://9gag.com/gag/aW4VYOd

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    It pretty much emerges that python will
    suffer from the small hands Paradox.
    We are curently in this phase of the python
    programming language evolution:

    Maastrichtian
    The CretaceousrCoPaleogene extinction event
    (formerly known as the CretaceousrCoTertiary
    extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
    this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
    commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
    dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
    as well as many other lesser-known groups,
    died out. The cause of the extinction is most
    commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
    15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
    colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.

    It already happened to most of the Python tooling:

    [Write Code] rRo
    -a-a-a [Lint with Ruff] rRo
    -a-a-a (Rust: Blazing)

    -a-a-a [Install with uv] rRo
    -a-a-a (Rust: Blazing)

    -a-a-a [Execute Program]
    -a-a-a (Python: Extremely Slow)

    LoL

    Bye

    P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?

    Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
    macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
    with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
    typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
    syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
    (like Nim and Julia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye



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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 16 13:27:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    Woa! The public now marveling at the cascade
    LLM, LRM and now Swarms. And little software
    agents posting PERMADEATH.

    How it started:

    The co-evolution of AI and systems with Lidong Zhou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuJuGwkSu0

    How its going:

    This Is the AI Agent Story That Scared Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aw3MF8pY3w

    They are all clueless that Strong AI, requires
    to go from in vitro , to in vivo, usually called
    situated AI. Applies also to swarms:

    "Being situated is generally considered to be part
    of being embodied, but it is useful to consider
    each perspective individually. The situated
    perspective emphasizes that intelligent behavior
    derives from the environment and the agent's
    interactions with it. The nature of these
    interactions are defined by an agent's embodiment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situated_approach_(artificial_intelligence)

    And emergence of private languages is nothing new.
    I am pretty sure the interested reader will find
    some 30 year old papers of in vitro simulations,

    of software agents developing pebbel languages.

    Have Fun!

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    How it started:

    Randy and the Lawnmower
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17Yy5buCdM

    How it is going:

    Keep off the grass folks
    https://9gag.com/gag/aW4VYOd

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    It pretty much emerges that python will
    suffer from the small hands Paradox.
    We are curently in this phase of the python
    programming language evolution:

    Maastrichtian
    The CretaceousrCoPaleogene extinction event
    (formerly known as the CretaceousrCoTertiary
    extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
    this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
    commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
    dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
    as well as many other lesser-known groups,
    died out. The cause of the extinction is most
    commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
    15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
    colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.

    It already happened to most of the Python tooling:

    [Write Code] rRo
    -a-a-a-a [Lint with Ruff] rRo
    -a-a-a-a (Rust: Blazing)

    -a-a-a-a [Install with uv] rRo
    -a-a-a-a (Rust: Blazing)

    -a-a-a-a [Execute Program]
    -a-a-a-a (Python: Extremely Slow)

    LoL

    Bye

    P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?

    Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
    macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
    with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
    typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
    syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
    (like Nim and Julia).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye




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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 16 08:41:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/16/2026 04:27 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Woa! The public now marveling at the cascade
    LLM, LRM and now Swarms. And little software
    agents posting PERMADEATH.

    How it started:

    The co-evolution of AI and systems with Lidong Zhou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuJuGwkSu0

    How its going:

    This Is the AI Agent Story That Scared Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aw3MF8pY3w

    They are all clueless that Strong AI, requires
    to go from in vitro , to in vivo, usually called
    situated AI. Applies also to swarms:

    "Being situated is generally considered to be part
    of being embodied, but it is useful to consider
    each perspective individually. The situated
    perspective emphasizes that intelligent behavior
    derives from the environment and the agent's
    interactions with it. The nature of these
    interactions are defined by an agent's embodiment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situated_approach_(artificial_intelligence)

    And emergence of private languages is nothing new.
    I am pretty sure the interested reader will find
    some 30 year old papers of in vitro simulations,

    of software agents developing pebbel languages.

    Have Fun!

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    How it started:

    Randy and the Lawnmower
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17Yy5buCdM

    How it is going:

    Keep off the grass folks
    https://9gag.com/gag/aW4VYOd

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    It pretty much emerges that python will
    suffer from the small hands Paradox.
    We are curently in this phase of the python
    programming language evolution:

    Maastrichtian
    The CretaceousrCoPaleogene extinction event
    (formerly known as the CretaceousrCoTertiary
    extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
    this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
    commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
    dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
    as well as many other lesser-known groups,
    died out. The cause of the extinction is most
    commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
    15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
    colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.

    It already happened to most of the Python tooling:

    [Write Code] rRo
    [Lint with Ruff] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Install with uv] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Execute Program]
    (Python: Extremely Slow)

    LoL

    Bye

    P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?

    Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
    macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
    with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
    typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
    syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
    (like Nim and Julia).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye





    asdf
    asdasda
    asdasdasd
    asdasda

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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 16 09:44:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/16/2026 08:41 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 09/16/2026 04:27 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Woa! The public now marveling at the cascade
    LLM, LRM and now Swarms. And little software
    agents posting PERMADEATH.

    How it started:

    The co-evolution of AI and systems with Lidong Zhou
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuJuGwkSu0

    How its going:

    This Is the AI Agent Story That Scared Me
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aw3MF8pY3w

    They are all clueless that Strong AI, requires
    to go from in vitro , to in vivo, usually called
    situated AI. Applies also to swarms:

    "Being situated is generally considered to be part
    of being embodied, but it is useful to consider
    each perspective individually. The situated
    perspective emphasizes that intelligent behavior
    derives from the environment and the agent's
    interactions with it. The nature of these
    interactions are defined by an agent's embodiment."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situated_approach_(artificial_intelligence)

    And emergence of private languages is nothing new.
    I am pretty sure the interested reader will find
    some 30 year old papers of in vitro simulations,

    of software agents developing pebbel languages.

    Have Fun!

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    How it started:

    Randy and the Lawnmower
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17Yy5buCdM

    How it is going:

    Keep off the grass folks
    https://9gag.com/gag/aW4VYOd

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    It pretty much emerges that python will
    suffer from the small hands Paradox.
    We are curently in this phase of the python
    programming language evolution:

    Maastrichtian
    The CretaceousrCoPaleogene extinction event
    (formerly known as the CretaceousrCoTertiary
    extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
    this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
    commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
    dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
    as well as many other lesser-known groups,
    died out. The cause of the extinction is most
    commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
    15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
    colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.

    It already happened to most of the Python tooling:

    [Write Code] rRo
    [Lint with Ruff] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Install with uv] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Execute Program]
    (Python: Extremely Slow)

    LoL

    Bye

    P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?

    Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
    macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
    with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
    typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
    syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
    (like Nim and Julia).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye





    asdf
    asdasda
    asdasdasd
    asdasda


    https://aclanthology.org/

    Accounts and deconstructive accounts of language
    for metaphor & metonymy about a Coleridge & Comenius
    language about spaces of words and languages their
    roots and interpretations vis-a-vis declarations & copulas
    and interrogatives & objects, have that Panini studied grammar
    since long, long before Wittgenstein left behind grammar.

    Some people have a hard time figuring whether verb or noun
    should be primary, when others have infinitives and interrogatives
    are primary.

    "Reading Foundations: language science, the vis-viva, biochemistry"


    Try multidisciplinary.


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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Thu Sep 17 09:40:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/16/2026 09:44 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 09/16/2026 08:41 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 09/16/2026 04:27 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Woa! The public now marveling at the cascade
    LLM, LRM and now Swarms. And little software
    agents posting PERMADEATH.

    How it started:

    The co-evolution of AI and systems with Lidong Zhou
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuJuGwkSu0

    How its going:

    This Is the AI Agent Story That Scared Me
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aw3MF8pY3w

    They are all clueless that Strong AI, requires
    to go from in vitro , to in vivo, usually called
    situated AI. Applies also to swarms:

    "Being situated is generally considered to be part
    of being embodied, but it is useful to consider
    each perspective individually. The situated
    perspective emphasizes that intelligent behavior
    derives from the environment and the agent's
    interactions with it. The nature of these
    interactions are defined by an agent's embodiment."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situated_approach_(artificial_intelligence) >>>

    And emergence of private languages is nothing new.
    I am pretty sure the interested reader will find
    some 30 year old papers of in vitro simulations,

    of software agents developing pebbel languages.

    Have Fun!

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    How it started:

    Randy and the Lawnmower
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17Yy5buCdM

    How it is going:

    Keep off the grass folks
    https://9gag.com/gag/aW4VYOd

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    It pretty much emerges that python will
    suffer from the small hands Paradox.
    We are curently in this phase of the python
    programming language evolution:

    Maastrichtian
    The CretaceousrCoPaleogene extinction event
    (formerly known as the CretaceousrCoTertiary
    extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
    this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
    commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
    dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
    as well as many other lesser-known groups,
    died out. The cause of the extinction is most
    commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
    15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
    colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.

    It already happened to most of the Python tooling:

    [Write Code] rRo
    [Lint with Ruff] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Install with uv] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Execute Program]
    (Python: Extremely Slow)

    LoL

    Bye

    P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?

    Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
    macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
    with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
    typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
    syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
    (like Nim and Julia).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye





    asdf
    asdasda
    asdasdasd
    asdasda


    https://aclanthology.org/

    Accounts and deconstructive accounts of language
    for metaphor & metonymy about a Coleridge & Comenius
    language about spaces of words and languages their
    roots and interpretations vis-a-vis declarations & copulas
    and interrogatives & objects, have that Panini studied grammar
    since long, long before Wittgenstein left behind grammar.

    Some people have a hard time figuring whether verb or noun
    should be primary, when others have infinitives and interrogatives
    are primary.

    "Reading Foundations: language science, the vis-viva, biochemistry"


    Try multidisciplinary.



    So, accounts of "language" this way, and any account of
    "Foundations" must address "language", make for so a quite
    more full setting of "grammar" which can make for quite
    more thoroughly satisfied "protocols" which make much
    less opportunity for "games" to "lie".


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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Sat Sep 19 13:01:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    Even Philip Wadler sounds like he has seen the
    first Apocalyptic horse rider. But what do these
    hardcore formalists think, that we go with a

    2300-year old Aristotelian inferencing like Modus
    Barabra (*) into the next decade of 2030?

    All humans are mortal
    All Greeks are humans
    --------------------------------
    Therefore all Greeks are mortal

    Or as the formalists like to write it, but this
    is already a "fucked up" chain rule:

    reCx (M(x) raA S(x))
    reCx (G(x) raA M(x))
    roCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroC
    re| reCx (G(x) raA S(x))

    Its just various camps fighting world domination:

    Everybody Wants To Rule The World
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqItaKDc6oI

    And the winner in the P(doom) bottom race is:

    CEO Jensen Huang: Zero Probability P(doom) in 2030 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlY7DI5v4ZU

    Bye

    (*)
    History of formal logic - III. Logic of Terms
    Bochenski, Joseph M. - 1961 https://archive.org/details/historyofformall00boch/page/210/mode/2up

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Woa! The public now marveling at the cascade
    LLM, LRM and now Swarms. And little software
    agents posting PERMADEATH.

    How it started:

    The co-evolution of AI and systems with Lidong Zhou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuJuGwkSu0

    How its going:

    This Is the AI Agent Story That Scared Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aw3MF8pY3w

    They are all clueless that Strong AI, requires
    to go from in vitro , to in vivo, usually called
    situated AI. Applies also to swarms:

    "Being situated is generally considered to be part
    of being embodied, but it is useful to consider
    each perspective individually. The situated
    perspective emphasizes that intelligent behavior
    derives from the environment and the agent's
    interactions with it. The nature of these
    interactions are defined by an agent's embodiment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situated_approach_(artificial_intelligence)

    And emergence of private languages is nothing new.
    I am pretty sure the interested reader will find
    some 30 year old papers of in vitro simulations,

    of software agents developing pebbel languages.

    Have Fun!

    Bye
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  • From Branden Baraboshkin@naoea@kiadi.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Sep 19 15:39:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Mild Shock wrote:

    Hi,

    Woa! The public now marveling at the cascade LLM, LRM and now Swarms.
    And little software agents posting PERMADEATH.

    How it started:

    i dont undrestand anything, could you please repeat
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  • From Walton Havanov@nnht@vla.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Sep 19 16:02:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Mild Shock wrote:

    All humans are mortal All Greeks are humans
    --------------------------------
    Therefore all Greeks are mortal

    Or as the formalists like to write it, but this is already a "fucked up" chain rule:

    reCx (M(x) raA S(x))
    reCx (G(x) raA M(x)) roCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroCroC
    re| reCx (G(x) raA S(x))

    Its just various camps fighting world domination:

    Everybody Wants To Rule The World

    i'm not convinced, please repeat
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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 18:03:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    People publish slop, not computers
    I nowhere blamed computers.

    Well I did not try to envision something
    superintelligent. But I notice search engines
    are recently becoming a little omisentient,
    when I asked for bakage.toml,

    the AI Gemini was quickly finding the prolog
    agent toolkit repo, but at the sametime laughing
    at me, and telling me, bakage.toml is probably
    a halucination,

    since it also inspected the other repositories,
    like Scryer related and confirmed there is no
    bakage.toml . So it is possibly up to you how
    much rCLautonomyrCY you

    want to give to your software agents.
    Mostlikely the advanced software agents will
    anyways kind of rCLautocorrectrCY the mistake inside
    the AI slop, you

    could check in random noise into a repo, and
    it would try to make sense out of it
    nevertheless. Is this a win or loss for humanity,
    the increasing

    rCLautomonyrCY, or a clear sign of P(doom) > 50% ?
    I donrCOt know , somebody (*) recently claimed
    on youtube you need AGI to correctly
    estimate P(doom).

    So on purpose I tried to only illustrate the
    ideas of rCLingestion problemrCY and " agentic AI
    collaboration", and use tools and processes,
    to not stear additional fear, people are already

    completely stressed out. (**) Also completely
    unable to articulate themselves.

    Bye

    (*)

    DariorCOs (likely half-sincere) AI Slowdown proposal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhbxcVdW10

    (**)

    Facing meltdown?
    Over 75% of adults experience chronic stress or burnout
    symptoms driven by financial pressures, constant digital
    connectivity, and modern lifestyle demands https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/feb/15/75-of-people-suffer-from-burnout-what-you-need-to-know

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    It pretty much emerges that python will
    suffer from the small hands Paradox.
    We are curently in this phase of the python
    programming language evolution:

    Maastrichtian
    The CretaceousrCoPaleogene extinction event
    (formerly known as the CretaceousrCoTertiary
    extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
    this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
    commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
    dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
    as well as many other lesser-known groups,
    died out. The cause of the extinction is most
    commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
    15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
    colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.

    It already happened to most of the Python tooling:

    [Write Code] rRo
    [Lint with Ruff] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Install with uv] rRo
    (Rust: Blazing)

    [Execute Program]
    (Python: Extremely Slow)

    LoL

    Bye

    P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?

    Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
    macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
    with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
    typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
    syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
    (like Nim and Julia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people started
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye


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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 18:05:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    I sometimes feel I have the Ben Goertzel
    talkie genes, although logic programming
    has so many papers, it was probably born
    to be discussed over and over again,

    and many here can even produce more text
    than me. Only not every text matches your
    demands and feelings, and somehow there is
    a perceived gap dealing with

    the very recent developments in the public
    view and there is also no guidance. The
    bunker bros papers from EU about Artificial
    Intelligence regulations are already old hats,

    and do not match the new Sword of Damocles
    discourse, they had focus like privacy,
    algorithmic decision making and protecting
    minorities. Now its about the elite mathematicians.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    People publish slop, not computers
    I nowhere blamed computers.

    Well I did not try to envision something
    superintelligent. But I notice search engines
    are recently becoming a little omisentient,
    when I asked for bakage.toml,

    the AI Gemini was quickly finding the prolog
    agent toolkit repo, but at the sametime laughing
    at me, and telling me, bakage.toml is probably
    a halucination,

    since it also inspected the other repositories,
    like Scryer related and confirmed there is no
    bakage.toml . So it is possibly up to you how
    much rCLautonomyrCY you

    want to give to your software agents.
    Mostlikely the advanced software agents will
    anyways kind of rCLautocorrectrCY the mistake inside
    the AI slop, you

    could check in random noise into a repo, and
    it would try to make sense out of it
    nevertheless. Is this a win or loss for humanity,
    the increasing

    rCLautomonyrCY, or a clear sign of P(doom) > 50% ?
    I donrCOt know , somebody (*) recently claimed
    on youtube you need AGI to correctly
    estimate P(doom).

    So on purpose I tried to only illustrate the
    ideas of rCLingestion problemrCY and " agentic AI
    collaboration", and use tools and processes,
    to not stear additional fear, people are already

    completely stressed out. (**) Also completely
    unable to articulate themselves.

    Bye

    (*)

    DariorCOs (likely half-sincere) AI Slowdown proposal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhbxcVdW10

    (**)

    Facing meltdown?
    Over 75% of adults experience chronic stress or burnout
    symptoms driven by financial pressures, constant digital
    connectivity, and modern lifestyle demands https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/feb/15/75-of-people-suffer-from-burnout-what-you-need-to-know


    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    It pretty much emerges that python will
    suffer from the small hands Paradox.
    We are curently in this phase of the python
    programming language evolution:

    Maastrichtian
    The CretaceousrCoPaleogene extinction event
    (formerly known as the CretaceousrCoTertiary
    extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
    this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
    commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
    dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
    as well as many other lesser-known groups,
    died out. The cause of the extinction is most
    commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
    15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
    colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.

    It already happened to most of the Python tooling:

    [Write Code] rRo
    -a-a-a-a-a [Lint with Ruff] rRo
    -a-a-a-a-a (Rust: Blazing)

    -a-a-a-a-a [Install with uv] rRo
    -a-a-a-a-a (Rust: Blazing)

    -a-a-a-a-a [Execute Program]
    -a-a-a-a-a (Python: Extremely Slow)

    LoL

    Bye

    P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?

    Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
    macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
    with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
    typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
    syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
    (like Nim and Julia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people started
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye



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