• Re: Einstein was not wrong....just wrongly prioritized.

    From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 15 14:09:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/14/2026 05:30 PM, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 09:50:09 -0700, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    On 09/14/2026 09:32 AM, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 02:11:04 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 03:50:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>>> HenryWilson wrote:
    Paul, Gamma/gamma = 1

    You can get the same answer using constant c along with
    'transforms'
    or variable light speed and no transforms. Which is easier?

    *facepalm*

    Please shut up until you know what you are talking (about). TIA.

    Please shut up till you understand what Einstein actually did.

    Says the person who completely misunderstands what Einstein actually
    did.
    The person who failed to read "at rest" even though Einstein wrote it
    *three times*.

    Idiot! I have now explained that the section you referred to was the
    wrong one. Einstein would have uttered "at rest" thousands of times.
    You are so stupid you couldn't quote the right one.

    That's rich.

    You can make me richer by buying my comprehensive book when it is
    published.


    One can just look to something like O.W. Richardson's "The Electron
    Theory of Matter" published circa 1919 and noticing its out of copyright
    print and hock all the copies of that you might care.


    Of course Usenet posts are "public access" not "public domain",
    unless explicitly given, and a given account of "all rights reserved"
    has that Usenet is about the most simple publishing method in the world,
    and each post by its message-id and content is a little publication
    itself with a URL and URN and URI and so on, then that anybody could
    make a DOI for it and basically bridge it to WorldCat, OCLC, about ORC
    ID, and all these usual sorts of accounts.

    True...this is why I am reluctant to say too much about any of the sensational discoveries that my book introduces.
    As a favour, I will give a $5 discount to anyone who uses this NG.




    It's also a large collective enterprise in free speech.


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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 15 23:53:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 11:55:35 +0300, Mikko wrote:

    On 14/09/2026 19:27, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:


    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame
    you choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is
    the same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted
    the light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.


    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    For a verification of the source independence it is sufficient to
    compare whether lights from differently moving sources have the same or different speeds. The exact values of those speeds is another problem.

    Precisely. .and when you read my book you will learn about many
    experiments that prove ballistic theory (BaTh) correct using that very principle.

    Einstein merely raised it to a postulate to formulate special
    relativity.

    For that it is sufficient that no observation had shown otherwise.

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  • From Mikko@mikko.levanto@iki.fi to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 16 10:56:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 16/09/2026 02:53, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 11:55:35 +0300, Mikko wrote:

    On 14/09/2026 19:27, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:


    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame
    you choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is
    the same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted
    the light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.


    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    For a verification of the source independence it is sufficient to
    compare whether lights from differently moving sources have the same or
    different speeds. The exact values of those speeds is another problem.

    Precisely. .and when you read my book you will learn about many
    experiments that prove ballistic theory (BaTh) correct using that very principle.

    Thanks, but there is enough stupidity here. No books needed.
    --
    Mikko
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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 16 13:12:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that time
    and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE frame..inversely.
    [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have already
    told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame you choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is the
    same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted the
    light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources
    is easily measured at accelerators.
    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)
    The result is c. Or if you assume c + k v_source
    then k has been measurd to be < 10^-3 even when v_source ~ c

    Einstein merely raised it to a
    postulate to formulate special relativity.

    Precisely. By building on Lorentz's failed theory, he found a mathematical way to make MEASURED light speed always equal c...He just transformed the length and time standards of moving light sources...everything completely imaginary of course.

    A theory can be called 'failed' only when its predictions fail.
    Lorentz aether theory never 'failed',
    because all of its predictions agree with special relativity.
    It was given up upon only because SR is much simpler.

    Again, do give an example of -an experimental outcome-
    that disagrees with relativity,

    Jan

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 16 14:08:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 9/16/2026 1:12 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that time >>>>>> and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE frame..inversely. >>>>>> [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have already >>>>> told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame you >>> choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is the
    same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted the
    light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources
    is easily measured at accelerators.
    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)
    The result is c. Or if you assume c + k v_source
    then k has been measurd to be < 10^-3 even when v_source ~ c

    Einstein merely raised it to a
    postulate to formulate special relativity.

    Precisely. By building on Lorentz's failed theory, he found a mathematical >> way to make MEASURED light speed always equal c...He just transformed the
    length and time standards of moving light sources...everything completely
    imaginary of course.

    A theory can be called 'failed' only when its predictions fail.
    Lorentz aether theory never 'failed',
    because all of its predictions agree with special relativity.
    It was given up upon only because SR is much simpler.

    Again, do give an example of -an experimental outcome-
    that disagrees with relativity,

    Very, very simple. We have 2 clocks, one
    in GPS ground base, the second one
    at a GPS satellite. The first indicates
    t'=2026-09-16 14:07:00.000000. What
    t' - the indications of the second one -
    does your moronic Shit predict?





    Jan


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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 16 07:14:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/16/2026 04:12 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that time >>>>>> and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE frame..inversely. >>>>>> [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have already >>>>> told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame you >>> choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is the
    same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted the
    light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources
    is easily measured at accelerators.
    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)
    The result is c. Or if you assume c + k v_source
    then k has been measurd to be < 10^-3 even when v_source ~ c

    Einstein merely raised it to a
    postulate to formulate special relativity.

    Precisely. By building on Lorentz's failed theory, he found a mathematical >> way to make MEASURED light speed always equal c...He just transformed the
    length and time standards of moving light sources...everything completely
    imaginary of course.

    A theory can be called 'failed' only when its predictions fail.
    Lorentz aether theory never 'failed',
    because all of its predictions agree with special relativity.
    It was given up upon only because SR is much simpler.

    Again, do give an example of -an experimental outcome-
    that disagrees with relativity,

    Jan



    How about instead, give one that disagrees with the absolute.


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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Sep 18 05:05:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that time >>>>>> and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE frame..inversely. >>>>>> [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have already >>>>> told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame you >>> choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is the
    same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted the
    light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    Yes. First of all, the above is an experimental fact, i.e. a fact based
    on experimental evidence; NOT just a postulate. Second, in the natural sciences, different from mathematics, we do not make proofs; a natural-scientific theory cannot be proven true, it can only be
    confirmed or falsified. It is then considered _correct_, but that does
    not mean that another theory that predicts the same result, or predicts something that lies outside what the first theory predicts, could not
    also be correct.
    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources
    is easily measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do
    you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light?
    --
    PointedEars

    Twitter: @PointedEars2
    Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Sep 18 06:58:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 9/18/2026 5:05 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>>> HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that time >>>>>>> and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE frame..inversely. >>>>>>> [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have already >>>>>> told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame you >>>> choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is the
    same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted the
    light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    Yes. First of all, the above is an experimental fact, i.e. a fact based
    on experimental evidence; NOT just a postulate.


    Only such a brainwashed idiot can believe such
    an impudent lie.

    Second, in the natural
    sciences, different from mathematics, we do not make proofs; a natural-scientific theory cannot be proven true

    And The Shit of your mad idiot for sure isn't.



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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Sep 18 13:14:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>> HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that time >>>>>> and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE frame..inversely. >>>>>> [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have already >>>>> told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame you >>> choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is the
    same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted the
    light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources
    is easily measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do
    you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction
    are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.
    Apart from showing that the speed of the photon does not depend on the
    speed of its source it is also a one-way speed of light measurement.

    Jan




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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Sep 18 13:48:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 9/18/2026 1:14 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>>>> HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that time >>>>>>>> and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE frame..inversely. >>>>>>>> [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference >>>>>>> frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have already >>>>>>> told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not one. >>>>> Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference frame you >>>>> choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in vacuum is the >>>>> same, no matter in which reference frame the source that emitted the >>>>> light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources
    is easily measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do
    you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction
    are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.
    Apart from showing that the speed of the photon does not depend on the
    speed of its source it is also a one-way speed of light measurement.

    And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden
    by your bunch of idiots improper clocks keep
    measuring improper t'=t in improper seconds.


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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Sep 18 20:41:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that
    time and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE
    frame..inversely.
    [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have
    already told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not
    one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference
    frame you choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in
    vacuum is the same, no matter in which reference frame the source
    that emitted the light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily measured
    at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do
    you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start and finish.
    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng at c
    and so was hushed up.

    Apart from showing that the speed of the photon does not depend on the
    speed of its source it is also a one-way speed of light measurement.

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled to produce any answer.

    Jan

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Sat Sep 19 14:03:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes that
    time and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE
    frame..inversely.
    [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial reference
    frames is an experimental fact instead. It already has been an
    experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived. As I have
    already told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not
    one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference
    frame you choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in
    vacuum is the same, no matter in which reference frame the source
    that emitted the light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily measured
    at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do
    you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start and finish.

    That's just what they had.
    Do look it up.

    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng at c
    and so was hushed up.

    So now you are falling back on sweet little lies.
    Not a good idea, in science.

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Jan


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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sat Sep 19 22:56:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 14:03:41 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes
    that time and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE
    frame..inversely.
    [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial
    reference frames is an experimental fact instead. It already
    has been an experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived.
    As I have already told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not
    one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference
    frame you choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in
    vacuum is the same, no matter in which reference frame the
    source that emitted the light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How
    do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of
    light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are
    detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start
    and finish.

    That's just what they had.
    Do look it up.

    How did they synchronize them?

    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng at
    c and so was hushed up.

    So now you are falling back on sweet little lies.
    Not a good idea, in science.

    Why else would they not measure its OW speed with your same two miniature clocks?

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled to
    produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one that looked like it was travelling near c.

    Jan

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Sep 20 11:17:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 14:03:41 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both an
    observer and a moving light source, automatically assumes
    that time and space are invisibly transformed in the SOURCE
    frame..inversely.
    [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial
    reference frames is an experimental fact instead. It already
    has been an experimental fact centuries before Einstein lived.
    As I have already told you *at* *least* *four* *times* now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is not
    one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which reference
    frame you choose as the one to be at rest, the speed of light in
    vacuum is the same, no matter in which reference frame the
    source that emitted the light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How
    do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of
    light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are
    detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start
    and finish.

    That's just what they had.
    Do look it up.

    How did they synchronize them?

    You really need to find out how a big accelerator centre,
    like CERN works.
    Everything on site is synchronised with the master synchrotron.
    Detectors are time-gated, and time of flight is used for interpreting
    all kinds of experiments.

    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng at
    c and so was hushed up.

    So now you are falling back on sweet little lies.
    Not a good idea, in science.

    Why else would they not measure its OW speed with your same two miniature clocks?

    My clocks???

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled to
    produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot nmeasure back into the beam,

    Jan
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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Sep 20 10:35:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:17:11 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 14:03:41 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars'
    Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both
    an observer and a moving light source, automatically
    assumes that time and space are invisibly transformed in
    the SOURCE frame..inversely.
    [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong.

    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial
    reference frames is an experimental fact instead. It
    already has been an experimental fact centuries before
    Einstein lived.
    As I have already told you *at* *least* *four* *times*
    now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is
    not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which
    reference frame you choose as the one to be at rest, the
    speed of light in vacuum is the same, no matter in which
    reference frame the source that emitted the light is at rest.

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction
    are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its
    start and finish.

    That's just what they had.
    Do look it up.

    How did they synchronize them?

    You really need to find out how a big accelerator centre,
    like CERN works.
    Everything on site is synchronised with the master synchrotron.
    Detectors are time-gated, and time of flight is used for interpreting
    all kinds of experiments.

    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng
    at c and so was hushed up.

    So now you are falling back on sweet little lies.
    Not a good idea, in science.

    Why else would they not measure its OW speed with your same two
    miniature clocks?

    My clocks???

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled
    to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one
    that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot measure back into the beam,

    What's the difference between front and back? How fast is the beam moving?

    Jan

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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Sep 20 10:46:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:17:11 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 14:03:41 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction
    are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its
    start and finish.

    That's just what they had.
    Do look it up.

    How did they synchronize them?

    You really need to find out how a big accelerator centre,
    like CERN works.
    Everything on site is synchronised with the master synchrotron.
    Detectors are time-gated, and time of flight is used for interpreting
    all kinds of experiments.

    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng
    at c and so was hushed up.

    So now you are falling back on sweet little lies.
    Not a good idea, in science.

    Why else would they not measure its OW speed with your same two
    miniature clocks?

    My clocks???

    The imaginary little clocks that you synchronized to better than e-16
    seconds.

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled
    to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one
    that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot nmeasure back into the beam,
    What is the diference between the beam's back and front?
    How fast is the beam moving?, That sis directly measureable

    Jan

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Sep 20 13:43:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:17:11 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 14:03:41 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn

    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction
    are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its
    start and finish.

    That's just what they had.
    Do look it up.

    How did they synchronize them?

    You really need to find out how a big accelerator centre,
    like CERN works.
    Everything on site is synchronised with the master synchrotron.
    Detectors are time-gated, and time of flight is used for interpreting
    all kinds of experiments.

    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng
    at c and so was hushed up.

    So now you are falling back on sweet little lies.
    Not a good idea, in science.

    Why else would they not measure its OW speed with your same two
    miniature clocks?

    My clocks???

    The imaginary little clocks that you synchronized to better than e-16 seconds.

    I synchronised???
    You forgot in your desire to be contrarian that we are talking
    about an experiment that was done decades ago?
    (and no, time of flight was about 50 nanoseconds iirc,
    a part of a nanosecond is good enough)

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled
    to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one
    that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot nmeasure back into the beam,
    What is the diference between the beam's back and front?
    How fast is the beam moving?, That sis directly measureable

    The photon source are relativistic neutral pions.
    'Forward' in physics jargon is continuing in the same direction,

    Jan

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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Sep 20 16:45:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 13:43:31 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:



    My clocks???

    The imaginary little clocks that you synchronized to better than e-16
    seconds.

    I synchronised???
    You forgot in your desire to be contrarian that we are talking about an experiment that was done decades ago?
    (and no, time of flight was about 50 nanoseconds iirc,
    a part of a nanosecond is good enough)

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be
    fiddled to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one
    that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot nmeasure back into the beam,
    What is the diference between the beam's back and front?
    How fast is the beam moving?, That sis directly measureable

    The photon source are relativistic neutral pions.

    'relativistic'??? since the pions were traveling near c then naturally the photos would do the same.

    'Forward' in physics jargon is continuing in the same direction,

    Look, I don't now what experiment you are talking about but to directly measure OWLS of anything, you need two detectors in series... and in the
    case of small individual particles, the first one would either alter its
    speed or completely destroy it. Particle speeds including gammas have been traditionally estimated via cloud chamber curves with considerable
    success. The speed of particles in an accelerator ring of known diameter
    can obviously be easily measured...but accurately measuring OWLS from a
    moving source is still virtually impossible

    Jan

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  • From Mikko@mikko.levanto@iki.fi to sci.physics.relativity on Mon Sep 21 10:36:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 20/09/2026 13:35, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 11:17:11 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 14:03:41 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:


    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn >>>>>>>>> wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Sep 2026 04:41:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' >>>>>>>>>>> Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    The assumption that light speed is c in the frames of both >>>>>>>>>>>>> an observer and a moving light source, automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>> assumes that time and space are invisibly transformed in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the SOURCE frame..inversely.
    [...]

    No, that is such a nonsense that it is not even wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That the speed of light in vacuum is c in all inertial >>>>>>>>>>>> reference frames is an experimental fact instead. It
    already has been an experimental fact centuries before >>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein lived.
    As I have already told you *at* *least* *four* *times* >>>>>>>>>>>> now.

    Speed does not exist without a reference frame. 'Space' is >>>>>>>>>>> not one.
    Learn to read. I essentially wrote: No matter which
    reference frame you choose as the one to be at rest, the
    speed of light in vacuum is the same, no matter in which
    reference frame the source that emitted the light is at rest. >>>>>>>>>
    I am aware of Einstein's postulate. It is not a proof.

    Category error here.

    [snip repeats of misunderstandings]

    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction
    are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its
    start and finish.

    That's just what they had.
    Do look it up.

    How did they synchronize them?

    You really need to find out how a big accelerator centre,
    like CERN works.
    Everything on site is synchronised with the master synchrotron.
    Detectors are time-gated, and time of flight is used for interpreting
    all kinds of experiments.

    The reverse pion was observed and found to be obviously not movigng
    at c and so was hushed up.

    So now you are falling back on sweet little lies.
    Not a good idea, in science.

    Why else would they not measure its OW speed with your same two
    miniature clocks?

    My clocks???

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled >>>>> to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one
    that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot measure back into the beam,

    What's the difference between front and back? How fast is the beam moving?

    The backwards space is full of the pion source. You can't put anything
    else in the same place.
    --
    Mikko
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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Mon Sep 21 10:24:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 13:43:31 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:



    My clocks???

    The imaginary little clocks that you synchronized to better than e-16
    seconds.

    I synchronised???
    You forgot in your desire to be contrarian that we are talking about an experiment that was done decades ago?
    (and no, time of flight was about 50 nanoseconds iirc,
    a part of a nanosecond is good enough)

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be
    fiddled to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the one
    that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot nmeasure back into the beam,
    What is the diference between the beam's back and front?
    How fast is the beam moving?, That sis directly measureable

    The photon source are relativistic neutral pions.

    'relativistic'??? since the pions were traveling near c then naturally the photos would do the same.

    The point is that they don't move faster than c,
    despite their source being already at near c.
    (so Einsteinian velocity addition verified, emission theories falsified)

    'Forward' in physics jargon is continuing in the same direction,

    Look, I don't now what experiment you are talking about

    That was obvious.

    but to directly measure OWLS of anything, you need two detectors in
    series... and in the case of small individual particles, the first one
    would either alter its speed or completely destroy it. Particle speeds including gammas have been traditionally estimated via cloud chamber
    curves with considerable success. The speed of particles in an accelerator ring of known diameter can obviously be easily measured...but accurately measuring OWLS from a moving source is still virtually impossible

    All timing is taken from the proton synchrotron,
    so from the bunching of the primary collisions.
    Thereafter it is forward in time, by causality,

    Jan
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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Mon Sep 21 20:08:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 10:24:51 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 13:43:31 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:



    My clocks???

    The imaginary little clocks that you synchronized to better than
    e-16 seconds.

    I synchronised???
    You forgot in your desire to be contrarian that we are talking about
    an experiment that was done decades ago?
    (and no, time of flight was about 50 nanoseconds iirc,
    a part of a nanosecond is good enough)

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be
    fiddled to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the
    one that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot nmeasure back into the beam,
    What is the diference between the beam's back and front?
    How fast is the beam moving?, That sis directly measureable

    The photon source are relativistic neutral pions.

    'relativistic'??? since the pions were traveling near c then naturally
    the photos would do the same.

    The point is that they don't move faster than c,
    despite their source being already at near c.

    You said some moved forward. That means they travelled faster than the
    beam.

    (so Einsteinian velocity addition verified, emission theories falsified)

    I told you his VA equation is just the postulate disguised.
    Here is the proof again:

    Postulate: Light speed 'u' always equals c.

    u = c
    = c(c-v)/(c-v)
    = (c-v)/(1-v/c)
    = (c-v)/[(1-(cv/c^2))
    = (u-v)/[1-(uv/c^2)]
    = (c-v)/[1-(uv/c^2)] = c
    So if you postulate that u always = c, you can make c-v always = c, where
    v is any speed. The 'v' simply cancels out.

    It's called 'mathemagics'...and I'm the first person in 120 years who
    hasn't been fooled by it. I hope Paul Andersen notices this.

    'Forward' in physics jargon is continuing in the same direction,

    Look, I don't now what experiment you are talking about

    That was obvious.

    but to directly measure OWLS of anything, you need two detectors in
    series... and in the case of small individual particles, the first one
    would either alter its speed or completely destroy it. Particle speeds
    including gammas have been traditionally estimated via cloud chamber
    curves with considerable success. The speed of particles in an
    accelerator ring of known diameter can obviously be easily
    measured...but accurately measuring OWLS from a moving source is still
    virtually impossible

    All timing is taken from the proton synchrotron,
    so from the bunching of the primary collisions.
    Thereafter it is forward in time, by causality,

    Why should the bloody pion move faster than the beam?

    Jan

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  • From Python@python@cccp.invalid to sci.physics.relativity on Mon Sep 21 21:48:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Here is the proof again:

    Postulate: Light speed 'u' always equals c.

    u = c
    = c(c-v)/(c-v)
    ...
    = (u-v)/[1-(uv/c^2)]
    ...
    = c

    It's called 'mathemagics'...and I'm the first person in
    120 years who hasn't been fooled by it.

    Ralph, this is magnificent.

    You start by ASSUMING

    u = c

    then perform a sequence of algebraic identities and finish with

    u = c.

    And from this you conclude that you have exposed a fraud in the
    relativistic velocity-addition law.

    No.

    You have demonstrated:

    c = c.

    The relativistic velocity transformation is

    u - v
    u' = -------------
    1 - uv/c^2

    for arbitrary admissible u and v.

    THEN, as a special case, put u=c:

    c - v
    u' = ------------- = c.
    1 - v/c

    That shows that c is a fixed point of the Lorentz velocity
    transformation.

    It does NOT derive the transformation.

    And it certainly doesn't prove that

    c - v = c.

    In fact, for v != 0,

    c - v != c.

    What is equal to c is

    (c-v)/(1-v/c).

    The denominator matters.

    You've removed half the equation and called the remainder
    "mathemagics".


    I'm the first person in 120 years who hasn't been fooled by it.

    No, Ralph.

    You have discovered that if you start with c, multiply it by 1,
    and simplify, you still have c.

    This is approximately the same revolutionary technique Richard
    Hachel recently used to differentiate his own equation, integrate
    it back, and rediscover his own equation.

    Apparently 2026 is a remarkable year for the fundamental theorem
    of algebraic tautology.


    Why should the bloody pion move faster than the beam?

    It doesn't have to.

    "Forward" means travelling in the forward direction.

    It does not mean:

    faster than whatever produced it.

    A passenger walking toward the front of a train is walking
    forward.

    He need not overtake the train.

    After 120 years, perhaps physics was not defeated by
    "mathemagics".

    Perhaps Ralph has been defeated by an adverb.
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Mon Sep 21 19:45:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/21/2026 01:08 PM, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 10:24:51 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 13:43:31 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:



    My clocks???

    The imaginary little clocks that you synchronized to better than
    e-16 seconds.

    I synchronised???
    You forgot in your desire to be contrarian that we are talking about
    an experiment that was done decades ago?
    (and no, time of flight was about 50 nanoseconds iirc,
    a part of a nanosecond is good enough)

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be >>>>>>>>> fiddled to produce any answer.

    And hard lies are worse,

    Two pions were produced but they only measured the speed of the
    one that looked like it was travelling near c.

    You cannot nmeasure back into the beam,
    What is the diference between the beam's back and front?
    How fast is the beam moving?, That sis directly measureable

    The photon source are relativistic neutral pions.

    'relativistic'??? since the pions were traveling near c then naturally
    the photos would do the same.

    The point is that they don't move faster than c,
    despite their source being already at near c.

    You said some moved forward. That means they travelled faster than the
    beam.

    (so Einsteinian velocity addition verified, emission theories falsified)

    I told you his VA equation is just the postulate disguised.
    Here is the proof again:

    Postulate: Light speed 'u' always equals c.

    u = c
    = c(c-v)/(c-v)
    = (c-v)/(1-v/c)
    = (c-v)/[(1-(cv/c^2))
    = (u-v)/[1-(uv/c^2)]
    = (c-v)/[1-(uv/c^2)] = c
    So if you postulate that u always = c, you can make c-v always = c, where
    v is any speed. The 'v' simply cancels out.

    It's called 'mathemagics'...and I'm the first person in 120 years who
    hasn't been fooled by it. I hope Paul Andersen notices this.

    'Forward' in physics jargon is continuing in the same direction,

    Look, I don't now what experiment you are talking about

    That was obvious.

    but to directly measure OWLS of anything, you need two detectors in
    series... and in the case of small individual particles, the first one
    would either alter its speed or completely destroy it. Particle speeds
    including gammas have been traditionally estimated via cloud chamber
    curves with considerable success. The speed of particles in an
    accelerator ring of known diameter can obviously be easily
    measured...but accurately measuring OWLS from a moving source is still
    virtually impossible

    All timing is taken from the proton synchrotron,
    so from the bunching of the primary collisions.
    Thereafter it is forward in time, by causality,

    Why should the bloody pion move faster than the beam?

    Jan


    You got it backwards, those particles are "virtual",
    and simply mathematical placeholders in the beam-ring,
    since the account of flux after flow being opposite
    since "natural-units" make demanding "space inversion"
    for "space-contraction", those apples are oranges.


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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 10:41:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>>> And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily measured
    at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do
    you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are
    detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes the
    claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as is also explained in the Veritasium video.

    The reverse pion

    There is no such thing.

    was observed and found to be obviously not movigng at c

    The speed of this pion does not matter as we are interested in the speed
    of light, i.e. photons, instead. Of course the speed of a pion cannot
    be c (in any inertial reference frame) because its mass is non-zero (it
    is constituted by a quark and an antiquark whose masses are not zero, respectively, to begin with):

    v = c reU(1 reA m-# crU|reoE-#).

    and so was hushed up.

    Nonsense; it is not possible to "hush up" a pion so that it moves at c,
    see above.

    Apart from showing that the speed of the photon does not depend on the
    speed of its source it is also a one-way speed of light measurement.

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled to produce any answer.
    It is a fallacy to assume that his happened here. However, even the
    most diligent experimenter will have to synchronize the clocks that they
    use to measure the speed of light. Even if they do not use light to synchronize them, but the speed of something material that they now,
    then in measuring its speed they have to use light at some point because
    they have to _observe_ it.
    --
    PointedEars

    Twitter: @PointedEars2
    Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 06:04:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/22/2026 01:41 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>>>> And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured. >>>>>
    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily measured
    at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do >>>> you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light? >>>
    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are
    detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start and
    finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes the
    claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as is also explained in the Veritasium video.

    The reverse pion

    There is no such thing.

    was observed and found to be obviously not movigng at c

    The speed of this pion does not matter as we are interested in the speed
    of light, i.e. photons, instead. Of course the speed of a pion cannot
    be c (in any inertial reference frame) because its mass is non-zero (it
    is constituted by a quark and an antiquark whose masses are not zero, respectively, to begin with):

    v = c reU(1 reA m-# crU|reoE-#).

    and so was hushed up.

    Nonsense; it is not possible to "hush up" a pion so that it moves at c,
    see above.

    Apart from showing that the speed of the photon does not depend on the
    speed of its source it is also a one-way speed of light measurement.

    It is not a direct measurement. It is one that can easily be fiddled to
    produce any answer.
    It is a fallacy to assume that his happened here. However, even the
    most diligent experimenter will have to synchronize the clocks that they
    use to measure the speed of light. Even if they do not use light to synchronize them, but the speed of something material that they now,
    then in measuring its speed they have to use light at some point because
    they have to _observe_ it.



    There's that "the beam" in the beam-ring as it were is spun-up and at
    rather high-energy before taking events, usually enough, then dipped
    from the stream mid-flow as it were, there's nothing to associate that
    pion specifically with an electron in the same interval, as it might
    be for a previous, or rather, a later electron, still trapped in
    the beam-ring.

    There might be a better word already for "beam-ring", it's descriptive.
    Point being the model assumes the particles are
    quite slow with regards to light's speed, besides, so what it
    measures may or may not be the current "round" of "electrons",
    vis-a-vis what 'c' is, and whether 'c' is light's speed, or,
    like O.W. Richardson points out, that 'c' is according to the
    derivations giving electrostatics' or electrodynamics' account
    of what 'c' is, of which SR-ians are the "blissfully unawares".


    The linacs with un-charged particles and cyclotrons with charged
    particles operate on quite different principles, with quite different configurations of experiment, vis-a-vis, their energies of experiment.


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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 18:06:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Mon, 21 Sep 26 21:48:38 +0000, Python wrote:

    Here is the proof again:

    Postulate: Light speed 'u' always equals c.

    u = c = c(c-v)/(c-v)
    ...
    = (u-v)/[1-(uv/c^2)]
    ...
    = c

    It's called 'mathemagics'...and I'm the first person in 120 years who
    hasn't been fooled by it.

    Ralph, this is magnificent.

    You start by ASSUMING

    u = c

    then perform a sequence of algebraic identities and finish with

    u = c.

    And from this you conclude that you have exposed a fraud in the
    relativistic velocity-addition law.

    No.

    You have demonstrated:

    c = c.

    The relativistic velocity transformation is

    u - v
    u' = -------------
    1 - uv/c^2

    for arbitrary admissible u and v.

    THEN, as a special case, put u=c:

    c - v
    u' = ------------- = c.
    1 - v/c

    That shows that c is a fixed point of the Lorentz velocity
    transformation.

    It does NOT derive the transformation.

    And it certainly doesn't prove that

    c - v = c.

    In fact, for v != 0,

    c - v != c.

    What is equal to c is

    (c-v)/(1-v/c).

    The denominator matters.

    You've removed half the equation and called the remainder "mathemagics".


    I'm the first person in 120 years who hasn't been fooled by it.

    No, Ralph.

    You have discovered that if you start with c, multiply it by 1, and
    simplify, you still have c.

    This is approximately the same revolutionary technique Richard Hachel recently used to differentiate his own equation, integrate it back, and rediscover his own equation.

    Apparently 2026 is a remarkable year for the fundamental theorem of
    algebraic tautology.


    Why should the bloody pion move faster than the beam?

    It doesn't have to.

    "Forward" means travelling in the forward direction.

    It does not mean:

    faster than whatever produced it.

    A passenger walking toward the front of a train is walking forward.

    He need not overtake the train.

    After 120 years, perhaps physics was not defeated by "mathemagics".

    Perhaps Ralph has been defeated by an adverb.

    Don't blame me . I merely exposed Einstein's neat little trick. .and you
    still cannot see that his VAE is just an alternative to his P2. The 'v'
    can be anything because it cancels out and the equation reverts to the postulate. 120 years and nobody else saw it.

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  • From Richard Hachel@r.hachel@tiscali.fr to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 18:49:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Le 21/09/2026 |a 23:48, Python a |-crit :

    The relativistic velocity transformation is

    u - v
    u' = -------------
    1 - uv/c^2



    L|a encore, |oa m'attriste un peu.

    Pourquoi? parce que |oa fait des d|-cennies que je poste sur usenet ou d'autres r|-seaux sociaux,
    et on en est encore |a discuter de ce genre de conneries.

    L|a encore, il faut reprendre Poincar|- et ses transformations.

    En quelques lignes, on aboutit |a :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?JdPftx07aEJ7E--RJoRb9X4PoPI@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    En quelques lignes...

    Mais mes amis, c'est le B A BA de ce que j'enseigne, et on en est encore
    |a discuter de trucs et de machins pu|-rils ou ridicules.

    C'est lamentable.

    R.H.
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  • From Richard Hachel@r.hachel@tiscali.fr to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 19:29:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Le 21/09/2026 |a 23:48, Python a |-crit :

    The relativistic velocity transformation is

    u - v
    u' = -------------
    1 - uv/c^2



    L|a encore, |oa m'attriste un peu.

    Pourquoi? parce que |oa fait des d|-cennies que je poste sur usenet ou d'autres r|-seaux sociaux,
    et on en est encore |a discuter de ce genre de conneries.

    L|a encore, il faut reprendre Poincar|- et ses transformations.

    En quelques lignes, on aboutit |a :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?jf4hUq4rZHpGk-pYuw3gAMM4ZY8@jntp/Data.Media:2>

    En quelques lignes...

    Mais mes amis, c'est le B A BA de ce que j'enseigne, et on en est encore
    |a discuter de trucs et de machins pu|-rils ou ridicules.

    C'est lamentable.

    R.H.
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  • From Python@python@cccp.invalid to sci.physics.relativity on Tue Sep 22 20:52:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    The 'v' can be anything because it cancels out and the
    equation reverts to the postulate.

    Ralph, YES.

    And that is precisely the point you still haven't understood.

    The v cancels when

    u = c.

    It does NOT cancel for an arbitrary u.

    Take, for example,

    u = 0.5c
    v = 0.2c.

    The relativistic velocity transformation gives

    0.5c - 0.2c
    u' = ---------------------
    1 - 0.1

    = 0.3c / 0.9

    = c/3.

    Where did v "cancel out"?

    It didn't.


    Now take the SPECIAL value

    u = c.

    Then

    c - v
    u' = ---------------
    1 - v/c

    and since

    c - v = c(1-v/c),

    we obtain

    u' = c.

    So yes:

    c is a fixed point of the transformation.

    That is not a hidden trick.

    THAT IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THE LORENTZ TRANSFORMATION
    WAS CONSTRUCTED TO HAVE.


    You seem to think that because

    f(c,v) = c

    for every v, therefore f is somehow just the assertion

    u = c.

    That is elementary nonsense.

    Consider

    f(x,a) = a + (x-a)/2.

    For x=a,

    f(a,a) = a.

    Does that mean the whole transformation is merely the
    "postulate"

    x=a

    and its variables are fake because they "cancel out"?

    Of course not.

    You have simply evaluated a nontrivial function at one
    of its fixed points.


    And this is especially easy to see with Einstein's velocity
    addition law because it also transforms EVERY OTHER velocity.

    For example:

    u = 0 -> u' = -v

    u = 0.5c -> generally u' != 0.5c

    u = -c -> u' = -c

    u = +c -> u' = +c.

    So the transformation contains considerably more information
    than

    "light speed is c."


    his VAE is just an alternative to his P2.

    No.

    P2 says, roughly, that light in vacuum has speed c in every
    inertial frame.

    The velocity-addition equation tells you how VELOCITIES IN
    GENERAL transform between inertial frames.

    Applying that general equation to u=c reproduces P2.

    That is a consistency requirement, not an "alternative" to
    the postulate.


    And there is an even simpler way of seeing your mistake.

    Galilean velocity transformation says

    u' = u-v.

    Put u=c:

    u' = c-v.

    Lorentz velocity transformation says

    u-v
    u' = ----------
    1-uv/c-#.

    Put u=c:

    u' = c.

    THAT is the difference between the two transformations.

    Your observation that v cancels in the second calculation
    doesn't expose a fraud.

    It identifies exactly the mathematical property in which
    Lorentz transformations differ from Galilean ones.


    120 years and nobody else saw it.

    Ralph, everybody saw it.

    It's normally taught when velocity addition is introduced:

    if u=c, then u'=c.

    You have rediscovered one of the standard textbook checks of
    the Lorentz velocity transformation and interpreted the fact
    that the check succeeds as evidence that the transformation
    is fraudulent.

    That's rather like checking that

    sin-#(x) + cos-#(x) = 1,

    discovering that x disappears, and announcing:

    "Aha! The x can be anything because it cancels out!
    400 years and nobody noticed!"

    They noticed.

    That's the identity.
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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 23 00:13:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Tue, 22 Sep 26 19:29:55 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:


    En quelques lignes, on aboutit |a :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?jf4hUq4rZHpGk-pYuw3gAMM4ZY8@jntp/Data.Media:2>

    En quelques lignes...

    Mais mes amis, c'est le B A BA de ce que j'enseigne, et on en est
    encore
    |a discuter de trucs et de machins pu|-rils ou ridicules.

    C'est lamentable.

    R.H.

    If you are stil forcing students to believe Einstein's totally unnecesary description of the universe then I feel sorry for you. Why don't you teach them that Newton's theory says it all in a much easier way...
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  • From Richard Hachel@r.hachel@tiscali.fr to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 23 00:25:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Le 23/09/2026 |a 02:13, HenryWilson a |-crit :
    On Tue, 22 Sep 26 19:29:55 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:


    En quelques lignes, on aboutit |a :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?jf4hUq4rZHpGk-pYuw3gAMM4ZY8@jntp/Data.Media:2>

    En quelques lignes...

    Mais mes amis, c'est le B A BA de ce que j'enseigne, et on en est
    encore
    |a discuter de trucs et de machins pu|-rils ou ridicules.

    C'est lamentable.

    R.H.

    If you are stil forcing students to believe Einstein's totally unnecesary description of the universe then I feel sorry for you. Why don't you teach them that Newton's theory says it all in a much easier way...

    because that would not be true.

    R.H.


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  • From Python@python@cccp.invalid to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 23 00:27:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Le 23/09/2026 |a 02:13, HenryWilson a |-crit :
    On Tue, 22 Sep 26 19:29:55 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:


    En quelques lignes, on aboutit |a :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?jf4hUq4rZHpGk-pYuw3gAMM4ZY8@jntp/Data.Media:2>

    En quelques lignes...

    Mais mes amis, c'est le B A BA de ce que j'enseigne, et on en est
    encore
    |a discuter de trucs et de machins pu|-rils ou ridicules.

    C'est lamentable.

    R.H.

    If you are stil forcing students to believe Einstein's totally unnecesary description of the universe then I feel sorry for you. Why don't you teach them that Newton's theory says it all in a much easier way...

    Guess what?

    Richard is trying to restore Newton/Galileo for accelerated
    motion while keeping Einstein/Poincare for inertial motion.

    Which, unsurprisingly, leads to some rather interesting
    inconsistencies.

    You're trying to restore Newton everywhere.

    So perhaps you'll eventually meet.

    Richard is digging down from Einstein.
    You're digging up from Newton.

    I'm genuinely curious which one of you reaches the other first. :-)
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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 23 02:03:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Wed, 23 Sep 26 00:27:28 +0000, Python wrote:

    Le 23/09/2026 |a 02:13, HenryWilson a |-crit :
    On Tue, 22 Sep 26 19:29:55 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:


    En quelques lignes, on aboutit |a :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?jf4hUq4rZHpGk-pYuw3gAMM4ZY8@jntp/Data.Media:


    En quelques lignes...

    Mais mes amis, c'est le B A BA de ce que j'enseigne, et on en est
    encore
    |a discuter de trucs et de machins pu|-rils ou ridicules.

    C'est lamentable.

    R.H.

    If you are stil forcing students to believe Einstein's totally
    unnecesary description of the universe then I feel sorry for you. Why
    don't you teach them that Newton's theory says it all in a much easier
    way...

    Guess what?

    Richard is trying to restore Newton/Galileo for accelerated motion while keeping Einstein/Poincare for inertial motion.

    Which, unsurprisingly, leads to some rather interesting inconsistencies.

    You're trying to restore Newton everywhere.

    It is well explained in my book how and why Newton and Einstein agree on
    so many things even though they may have very different methods and interpretations.

    So perhaps you'll eventually meet.

    Richard is digging down from Einstein.
    You're digging up from Newton.

    Newton was never 'down'.

    I'm genuinely curious which one of you reaches the other first. :-)

    SR is a Newtonian description of a universe in which light is assumed to always move at c. Einstein managed to achieve that condition
    mathematically by applying the mythical LTs to anything that moves...but
    why bother when the math is so complicated and the answer is often very misleading.

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 23 17:03:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>>> And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly measured. >>>>
    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily measured
    at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. How do >>> you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way speed of light? >>
    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are
    detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes the
    claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as is also explained in the Veritasium video.

    You can used two toothed wheels mounted on the same axle.
    Like Fizeau could alreay have done.
    (he used a mirror only for convinience)
    More generally, any stabe flasher will do.
    (as explained in a previous posting)

    If you want to insist: The CERN experiment measured
    the OWS of light emitted forward by relativistic pions
    compared to the OWS of light from an ordinary source,
    and found they were the same.

    Jan





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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Sep 24 00:54:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 17:03:05 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are
    detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start
    and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the
    synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes the
    claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as is also
    explained in the Veritasium video.

    You can used two toothed wheels mounted on the same axle.
    Like Fizeau could alreay have done.
    (he used a mirror only for convinience)
    More generally, any stabe flasher will do.
    (as explained in a previous posting)

    If you want to insist: The CERN experiment measured the OWS of light
    emitted forward by relativistic pions compared to the OWS of light from
    an ordinary source, and found they were the same.

    Rubbish, they wouldn't have the required accuracy even there. They would
    need to measure time differences of maybe e-20

    Jan

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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Sep 23 20:50:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/23/2026 05:54 PM, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 17:03:05 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are >>>>> detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start
    and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the
    synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes the
    claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as is also
    explained in the Veritasium video.

    You can used two toothed wheels mounted on the same axle.
    Like Fizeau could alreay have done.
    (he used a mirror only for convinience)
    More generally, any stabe flasher will do.
    (as explained in a previous posting)

    If you want to insist: The CERN experiment measured the OWS of light
    emitted forward by relativistic pions compared to the OWS of light from
    an ordinary source, and found they were the same.

    Rubbish, they wouldn't have the required accuracy even there. They would
    need to measure time differences of maybe e-20

    Jan


    What's decaying "pions" to "photons" is the source,
    i.e., "the pions' photon's source" is simply the original source.

    The pion's decay is inevitable, n'est-ce pas?


    Of course that takes an account of real space-contraction which
    is readily demonstrable anyways and would be new physics.


    I heard a 1,000's of would-be g-2 muon collaborators thought to
    apply a simplistic power law to add a zero and pad their CV's,
    and got a null for their trouble.

    Dangers of reductionism, ....




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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Sep 24 10:24:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 17:03:05 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction are
    detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its start
    and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the
    synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes the
    claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as is also
    explained in the Veritasium video.

    You can used two toothed wheels mounted on the same axle.
    Like Fizeau could alreay have done.
    (he used a mirror only for convinience)
    More generally, any stabe flasher will do.
    (as explained in a previous posting)

    If you want to insist: The CERN experiment measured the OWS of light emitted forward by relativistic pions compared to the OWS of light from
    an ordinary source, and found they were the same.

    Rubbish, they wouldn't have the required accuracy even there. They would
    need to measure time differences of maybe e-20

    So you are back in your blind denialism.
    No more to be said then,

    Jan

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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Sep 25 11:02:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 10:24:37 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 17:03:05 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
    wrote:
    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly
    measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons.
    How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way
    speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction
    are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its
    start and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the
    synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes
    the claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as
    is also explained in the Veritasium video.

    You can used two toothed wheels mounted on the same axle.
    Like Fizeau could alreay have done.
    (he used a mirror only for convinience)
    More generally, any stabe flasher will do.
    (as explained in a previous posting)

    If you want to insist: The CERN experiment measured the OWS of light
    emitted forward by relativistic pions compared to the OWS of light
    from an ordinary source, and found they were the same.

    Rubbish, they wouldn't have the required accuracy even there. They
    would need to measure time differences of maybe e-20

    So you are back in your blind denialism.
    No more to be said then,

    Look! I know this is a relativity news group and you fellows like to show
    off your amazing knowledge of that very ingenious theory...and, might I
    say, you do that very well. But frankly, I don't have a very high opinion
    of Einstein's theories and as pointed out in my book, even though many
    aspects of them are workable and can produce right answers, they should
    never been prioritized over Newton, whose almost infinitely simpler description of the universe works perfectly well if you are bright enough
    to intelligently investigate. After all, one of the main reasons that
    Einstein was accepted was that Newtionian Astronomy very acurately
    measured the precession of Mercury. In other words, Newton's incredible ability to predict very accurately was ironicaly used to bring about his downfall...all because the whole Physics community of Europe was shattered
    and embarrased when the MMX proved all their theories wrong.

    Jan

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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Sep 25 12:17:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 09/25/2026 04:02 AM, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 10:24:37 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 17:03:05 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

    HenryWilson wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 13:14:24 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:
    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Sep 2026 01:56:46 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    And that is an experimental fact.

    aha! No. OWLS from a moving source has never been directly >>>>>>>>>> measured.

    Do get up to date.
    One way speed of light from relativistic sources is easily
    measured at accelerators.

    Doubtful.

    Your doubts are your probem.

    Your arrogance from blissful _ignorance_ is yours.

    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. >>>>>>>> How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way >>>>>>>> speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction >>>>>>> are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight,
    and is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its
    start and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the
    synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes
    the claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as
    is also explained in the Veritasium video.

    You can used two toothed wheels mounted on the same axle.
    Like Fizeau could alreay have done.
    (he used a mirror only for convinience)
    More generally, any stabe flasher will do.
    (as explained in a previous posting)

    If you want to insist: The CERN experiment measured the OWS of light
    emitted forward by relativistic pions compared to the OWS of light
    from an ordinary source, and found they were the same.

    Rubbish, they wouldn't have the required accuracy even there. They
    would need to measure time differences of maybe e-20

    So you are back in your blind denialism.
    No more to be said then,

    Look! I know this is a relativity news group and you fellows like to show
    off your amazing knowledge of that very ingenious theory...and, might I
    say, you do that very well. But frankly, I don't have a very high opinion
    of Einstein's theories and as pointed out in my book, even though many aspects of them are workable and can produce right answers, they should
    never been prioritized over Newton, whose almost infinitely simpler description of the universe works perfectly well if you are bright enough
    to intelligently investigate. After all, one of the main reasons that Einstein was accepted was that Newtionian Astronomy very acurately
    measured the precession of Mercury. In other words, Newton's incredible ability to predict very accurately was ironicaly used to bring about his downfall...all because the whole Physics community of Europe was shattered and embarrased when the MMX proved all their theories wrong.

    Jan


    No, not all their theories, just the naive classical account of space-contraction, which isn't the informed super-classical account of
    real space-contraction.


    What I see here is all my arguments stand and none yours do.

    The record also observes this.


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  • From HenryWilson@Hgw@home.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Sep 27 00:53:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 12:17:25 -0700, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    On 09/25/2026 04:02 AM, HenryWilson wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 10:24:37 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:

    HenryWilson <Hgw@home.com> wrote:


    (from neutral pi meson decay for example)

    A neutral pion will usually decay into two high-energy photons. >>>>>>>>> How do you think this would allow a measurement of the one-way >>>>>>>>> speed of light?

    You clearly have not looked up the original publication.
    A highly relativistic pi_0 is produced, at a known instant,
    in a known direction.
    It decays (almost immediately) into two photons.
    Events in which one of the photons goes in the forward direction >>>>>>>> are detected. (the backward photon was not detected)
    Speed of the photon is directly measured from time of flight, and >>>>>>>> is found to be c.

    What crap. 'Direct' means two synchronized clocks detecting its
    start and finish.

    Yes, and guess how they were synchronized? :-D It is always the
    synchronization of the measuring clocks _using light_ that refutes >>>>>> the claims of people having measured the one-way speed of light, as >>>>>> is also explained in the Veritasium video.

    You can used two toothed wheels mounted on the same axle.
    Like Fizeau could alreay have done.
    (he used a mirror only for convinience)
    More generally, any stabe flasher will do.
    (as explained in a previous posting)

    If you want to insist: The CERN experiment measured the OWS of light >>>>> emitted forward by relativistic pions compared to the OWS of light
    from an ordinary source, and found they were the same.

    Rubbish, they wouldn't have the required accuracy even there. They
    would need to measure time differences of maybe e-20

    So you are back in your blind denialism.
    No more to be said then,

    Look! I know this is a relativity news group and you fellows like to
    show off your amazing knowledge of that very ingenious theory...and,
    might I say, you do that very well. But frankly, I don't have a very
    high opinion of Einstein's theories and as pointed out in my book, even
    though many aspects of them are workable and can produce right answers,
    they should never been prioritized over Newton, whose almost infinitely
    simpler description of the universe works perfectly well if you are
    bright enough to intelligently investigate. After all, one of the main
    reasons that Einstein was accepted was that Newtionian Astronomy very
    acurately measured the precession of Mercury. In other words, Newton's
    incredible ability to predict very accurately was ironicaly used to
    bring about his downfall...all because the whole Physics community of
    Europe was shattered and embarrased when the MMX proved all their
    theories wrong.

    Jan


    No, not all their theories, just the naive classical account of space-contraction, which isn't the informed super-classical account of
    real space-contraction.


    What I see here is all my arguments stand and none yours do.

    The record also observes this.

    My arguments are always open ended. I'm not a totally indoctrinate zombie
    like many contributors here appear to be.

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