• Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project] (Re: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama] )

    From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Sat Aug 8 09:21:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    Why is nobody mentioning Agda here. It has
    beautiful dependent types, and tactics are
    just programs. Poor Henk Barendregt, not

    everybody likes dependent types it seems:

    Are we stuck with Lean?
    https://mathoverflow.net/q/513742/

    Does Depependent types require proof objects,
    which waste large amounts of memory. Well,
    if you are not good in erasing them.

    But is there a Red Pyjama for Proof Assistants,
    the baby cradle where LLMs can learn proof
    assistant lingua and strategies. It seems

    yes, synthetic data corpuses to the rescue:

    We address this gap by introducing SMAD
    (Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization
    Dataset), a 400K 4-to-3 parallel corpus
    covering four formal languages (Dedukti,
    Agda, Coq, Lean) and three natural languages (
    English, French, Swedish), generated via
    the Informath project.
    https://github.com/GrammaticalFramework/informath

    But the corpus could be an accident, maybe rather
    a toy from the https://www.grammaticalframework.org/
    folks, will this have an impact?

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Why does this Lama have a red pyjama.
    Oh, its a baby Lama. Its still in the cradle
    and needs some training:

    RedPajama-Data-v2
    https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data

    But then Andrej Karpathy recently showed
    GPT-2 training on rented GPUs for less
    than 100 USD in less then 2 hours.

    So where do these grown up Lamas go.
    Well Georgi Gerganov prefered C++/C
    when he shouted Llama Llama Red Pyjama.

    But you also find WebLLM, wrapping the
    underlying C++/C GPU interface via the
    W3C standard WebGPU / WGSL, with JavaScript:

    In-Browser LLM Inference Engine
    https://webllm.mlc.ai/

    My experience with WebLLM 6 months
    ago on an iPad Pro 2024, still a little early
    stage performance and robustness.

    But hey hardware of AI mobile iGPUs is
    still evolving, and AI laptop, AI smartphones
    and AI tablets, will soon feature Chinese

    hardware such some new Kirin AI in 2027.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye



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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Sat Aug 15 15:17:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    Years ago Sam Altman said to have no idea how
    to generate revenue, but when the generally
    intelligent system is in place, he might ask it.

    Some schools approach the rCLgeneralityrCY from
    a totally wrong perspective. Take the EyeProlog
    Pseudo Scientism here:

    The Art of EyeProlog https://eyereasoner.github.io/eyeprolog/the-art-of-eyeprolog

    It is the same nonsense like constraint propagation,
    the idea here is to evolve better software, that it
    has as a main component refinement:

    Start -> Algo1 -> Algo2 -> Algo3 -> Algo4 ...

    But EyeProlog itself is an example of not using
    this refinement. Like dropping the classical
    WAM architecture, and back to YieldProlog somehow.

    What if the world ticks like this
    when it come to generality:

    /-> Algo1
    /--> Algo2
    Start ---> Algo3
    \--> Algo4
    \-> ...

    Innovation requires to start from scratch.
    I think this little booklet, recommended by
    Ernst Specker, Proofs from THE BOOK is a

    book of mathematical proofs by Martin Aigner
    and G|+nter M. Ziegler, first published in 1998.
    Just wants to teach us about this bifurcation:

    Chapter 1: Six proofs of the infinity of
    the primes, including Euclid's and Furstenberg's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofs_from_THE_BOOK

    Yeah, lets aim for surprises by
    generative AI, not refinement.

    Bye

    See also:

    Sam Altman on his Business Model
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pLnyjxgFxew

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Why is nobody mentioning Agda here. It has
    beautiful dependent types, and tactics are
    just programs. Poor Henk Barendregt, not

    everybody likes dependent types it seems:

    Are we stuck with Lean?
    https://mathoverflow.net/q/513742/

    Does Depependent types require proof objects,
    which waste large amounts of memory. Well,
    if you are not good in erasing them.

    But is there a Red Pyjama for Proof Assistants,
    the baby cradle where LLMs can learn proof
    assistant lingua and strategies. It seems

    yes, synthetic data corpuses to the rescue:

    We address this gap by introducing SMAD
    (Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization
    Dataset), a 400K 4-to-3 parallel corpus
    covering four formal languages (Dedukti,
    Agda, Coq, Lean) and three natural languages (
    English, French, Swedish), generated via
    the Informath project.
    https://github.com/GrammaticalFramework/informath

    But the corpus could be an accident, maybe rather
    a toy from the https://www.grammaticalframework.org/
    folks, will this have an impact?

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Why does this Lama have a red pyjama.
    Oh, its a baby Lama. Its still in the cradle
    and needs some training:

    RedPajama-Data-v2
    https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data

    But then Andrej Karpathy recently showed
    GPT-2 training on rented GPUs for less
    than 100 USD in less then 2 hours.

    So where do these grown up Lamas go.
    Well Georgi Gerganov prefered C++/C
    when he shouted Llama Llama Red Pyjama.

    But you also find WebLLM, wrapping the
    underlying C++/C GPU interface via the
    W3C standard WebGPU / WGSL, with JavaScript:

    In-Browser LLM Inference Engine
    https://webllm.mlc.ai/

    My experience with WebLLM 6 months
    ago on an iPad Pro 2024, still a little early
    stage performance and robustness.

    But hey hardware of AI mobile iGPUs is
    still evolving, and AI laptop, AI smartphones
    and AI tablets, will soon feature Chinese

    hardware such some new Kirin AI in 2027.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye




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  • From Mild Shock@janburse@fastmail.fm to sci.math,sci.physics.relativity on Sat Aug 15 18:49:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Hi,

    Every does eat and sleep. Thats not,
    don't give up and restart:

    Cite 100 collegues, cite 100 papers, and
    do 100 Python snippets. Thats only warm-up!
    About - Hi, IrCOm Philip Zucker!
    https://www.philipzucker.com/about/

    One the other hand, that here is true
    don't give up and restart:

    Invent a dozen acronyms HMB2, HBM2E, TC-NCF,
    MR-UF, MUF, MR-MUF and try them all.
    How SK hynix Won the AI Memory Race
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg5tAujp6Go

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Years ago Sam Altman said to have no idea how
    to generate revenue, but when the generally
    intelligent system is in place, he might ask it.

    Some schools approach the rCLgeneralityrCY from
    a totally wrong perspective. Take the EyeProlog
    Pseudo Scientism here:

    The Art of EyeProlog https://eyereasoner.github.io/eyeprolog/the-art-of-eyeprolog

    It is the same nonsense like constraint propagation,
    the idea here is to evolve better software, that it
    has as a main component refinement:

    Start -> Algo1 -> Algo2 -> Algo3 -> Algo4 ...

    But EyeProlog itself is an example of not using
    this refinement. Like dropping the classical
    WAM architecture, and back to YieldProlog somehow.

    What if the world ticks like this
    when it come to generality:

    -a-a-a-a-a-a /-> Algo1
    -a-a-a-a-a /--> Algo2
    Start ---> Algo3
    -a-a-a-a-a \--> Algo4
    -a-a-a-a-a-a \-> ...

    Innovation requires to start from scratch.
    I think this little booklet, recommended by
    Ernst Specker, Proofs from THE BOOK is a

    book of mathematical proofs by Martin Aigner
    and G|+nter M. Ziegler, first published in 1998.
    Just wants to teach us about this bifurcation:

    Chapter 1: Six proofs of the infinity of
    the primes, including Euclid's and Furstenberg's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofs_from_THE_BOOK

    Yeah, lets aim for surprises by
    generative AI, not refinement.

    Bye

    See also:

    Sam Altman on his Business Model
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pLnyjxgFxew

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Why is nobody mentioning Agda here. It has
    beautiful dependent types, and tactics are
    just programs. Poor Henk Barendregt, not

    everybody likes dependent types it seems:

    Are we stuck with Lean?
    https://mathoverflow.net/q/513742/

    Does Depependent types require proof objects,
    which waste large amounts of memory. Well,
    if you are not good in erasing them.

    But is there a Red Pyjama for Proof Assistants,
    the baby cradle where LLMs can learn proof
    assistant lingua and strategies. It seems

    yes, synthetic data corpuses to the rescue:

    We address this gap by introducing SMAD
    (Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization
    Dataset), a 400K 4-to-3 parallel corpus
    covering four formal languages (Dedukti,
    Agda, Coq, Lean) and three natural languages (
    English, French, Swedish), generated via
    the Informath project.
    https://github.com/GrammaticalFramework/informath

    But the corpus could be an accident, maybe rather
    a toy from the https://www.grammaticalframework.org/
    folks, will this have an impact?

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Why does this Lama have a red pyjama.
    Oh, its a baby Lama. Its still in the cradle
    and needs some training:

    RedPajama-Data-v2
    https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data

    But then Andrej Karpathy recently showed
    GPT-2 training on rented GPUs for less
    than 100 USD in less then 2 hours.

    So where do these grown up Lamas go.
    Well Georgi Gerganov prefered C++/C
    when he shouted Llama Llama Red Pyjama.

    But you also find WebLLM, wrapping the
    underlying C++/C GPU interface via the
    W3C standard WebGPU / WGSL, with JavaScript:

    In-Browser LLM Inference Engine
    https://webllm.mlc.ai/

    My experience with WebLLM 6 months
    ago on an iPad Pro 2024, still a little early
    stage performance and robustness.

    But hey hardware of AI mobile iGPUs is
    still evolving, and AI laptop, AI smartphones
    and AI tablets, will soon feature Chinese

    hardware such some new Kirin AI in 2027.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Remember when first all local AI was Python
    and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
    using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:

    How it started:

    GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
    language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
    in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
    generative pre-trained transformer model
    designed to produce human-like text that
    continues from a prompt.
    https://www.eleuther.ai/

    How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:

    So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
    some calculations and I figure out rCLOkay, 65
    billion parameters. You probably need about
    40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
    this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?rCY

    Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
    for all that I saw itrCOs pretty much GPT-J architecture
    with some modifications, like some extra memorization
    layers. ItrCOs minor changes. Basically, again, the
    existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
    modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
    https://changelog.com/podcast/532

    Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
    Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
    ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml

    Bye





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