• Re: What amount of acceleration involved is too high for SR to apply?

    From Mearl Molodtsov@oomo@ovs.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Jul 31 20:30:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    Einstein's perspective of SR is "riding the light".

    Which already propagates freely in its inertial frame, ....

    hanoi_list(N, Moves) :-
    move_list(N, left, center, right, Moves).

    move_list(1, Source, Target, _, [[Source, Target]]).

    move_list(N, Source, Target, Auxiliary, Moves) :-
    N > 1,
    M is N - 1,
    move_list(M, Source, Auxiliary, Target, Moves1),
    move_list(1, Source, Target, _, Move2),
    move_list(M, Auxiliary, Target, Source, Moves3),
    append(Moves1, Move2, Temp),
    append(Temp, Moves3, Moves).
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Jul 31 17:06:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 07/31/2026 01:30 PM, Mearl Molodtsov wrote:
    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    Einstein's perspective of SR is "riding the light".

    Which already propagates freely in its inertial frame, ....

    hanoi_list(N, Moves) :-
    move_list(N, left, center, right, Moves).

    move_list(1, Source, Target, _, [[Source, Target]]).

    move_list(N, Source, Target, Auxiliary, Moves) :-
    N > 1,
    M is N - 1,
    move_list(M, Source, Auxiliary, Target, Moves1),
    move_list(1, Source, Target, _, Move2),
    move_list(M, Auxiliary, Target, Source, Moves3),
    append(Moves1, Move2, Temp),
    append(Temp, Moves3, Moves).


    One problem with the "sword of Damocles" is
    that it's hanging right over the "Gordian knot".

    Towers of Hanoi are classical results in stack-machines.


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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity on Sat Aug 1 08:34:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Freitag000031, 31.07.2026 um 16:57 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
    On 07/31/2026 04:06 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    amirjf nin <amirjfnin@aim.com> wrote or quoted:
    What amount of acceleration involved is too high for SR to apply?

    -a-a There is an excellent series of videos (playlist) on relativity
    -a-a by Eigenchris. (Every single one of his video series is a total
    -a-a masterclass - flawless production, zero filler, and impeccable
    -a-a instructional design.)

    -a-a Especially his videos 105a, 105b, and 105c all deal exclusively
    -a-a with acceleration in special relativity, but to properly under-
    -a-a stand them, it might be best to view the series from the start!



    Einstein's perspective of SR is "riding the light".

    Which already propagates freely in its inertial frame, ....



    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex plane).

    That view is a little unusual. But I think, it's actually correct.

    This would lead to the conclusion, that the term 'light' denotes
    actually a subset of waves, which propagate with c.

    There exist other 'waves' wich 'wiggle' along other axes.

    For instance so called 'scalar waves' are longitudinal and timelike.

    This means: scalar waves have kind of frequency, but in the timelike direction.

    This could be assisted by waves, which propagate with infinite velocity,
    but not very far.

    Since those 'waves' are spacelike and time-less, they behave actually
    like static fields.

    Some subset of a continuum (between zero and infinite velocity) is 'light-like' and that's where we find light.

    And how ever you turn your own frame of reference, some directions are
    always time-like, light-like and space-like.

    Since matter is timelike stable, we need to consider worlds, where our
    matter is light-like or spacelike.

    TH


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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sat Aug 1 01:56:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 7/31/2026 11:34 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    [...]
    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex plane).

    Why? An angle? What about how fast any angle can be integrated on? Angle
    say as normalized direction? Lets define a distance, very small... How
    many of those units does it take to gain the speed of light in a certain
    time frame? Or just make a line. p0 and p1, where the distance is say a
    light year. We draw it at once? ;^)

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the blink
    of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    [...]
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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to sci.physics.relativity on Sat Aug 1 10:47:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
    There is an excellent series of videos (playlist) on relativity
    by Eigenchris. (Every single one of his video series is a total
    masterclass - flawless production, zero filler, and impeccable
    instructional design.)
    Especially his videos 105a, 105b, and 105c all deal exclusively
    with acceleration in special relativity, but to properly under-
    stand them, it might be best to view the series from the start!

    No, there actually are /six/ videos by Eigenchris about acceleration
    in SR!

    |Relativity 105:
    |Acceleration In Special Relativity
    |
    |a. Hyperbolic Motion (acceleration), Rindler Horizon
    |b. Rindler Coordinates and Bell's Spaceship Paradox
    |c. Basis Vectors/Jacobian in Curvilinear Coordinates
    |d. The Proper Time Along Curves and Twin Paradox
    |e. Covariant Derivative
    |f. Geodesic Curves (inertial frames/zero forces)


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  • From Hayden Maksimov@mmivy@eh.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 1 14:00:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex
    plane).

    That view is a little unusual. But I think, it's actually correct.

    This would lead to the conclusion, that the term 'light' denotes
    actually a subset of waves, which propagate with c.

    There exist other 'waves' wich 'wiggle' along other axes.

    For instance so called 'scalar waves' are longitudinal and timelike.

    This means: scalar waves have kind of frequency, but in the timelike direction.

    you mix shit together, what complex, what scalar, longitudinal etc. Light
    goes only through space not time. Your 4% adherence fuhrrer mertz wants to disable you right to vote on a party he dont like, worse than mosenior
    hitler, who comparable was a humanist, protecting jews with swimming
    pools, theatre, chocolate, good housing, food etc. The free people from outside come to the spa camp to buy food from jews, because as different,
    they had
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  • From Orlando Chuhanov@oahao@rhoho.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 1 14:03:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the blink
    of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    nonsense, to avoid the breakage due the force from the acceleration, the
    stuff in it has to be already inside the bubble. There are many levels of bubbles here, people dont undrestand
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sat Aug 1 07:04:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 07/31/2026 11:34 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Freitag000031, 31.07.2026 um 16:57 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
    On 07/31/2026 04:06 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    amirjf nin <amirjfnin@aim.com> wrote or quoted:
    What amount of acceleration involved is too high for SR to apply?

    There is an excellent series of videos (playlist) on relativity
    by Eigenchris. (Every single one of his video series is a total
    masterclass - flawless production, zero filler, and impeccable
    instructional design.)

    Especially his videos 105a, 105b, and 105c all deal exclusively
    with acceleration in special relativity, but to properly under-
    stand them, it might be best to view the series from the start!



    Einstein's perspective of SR is "riding the light".

    Which already propagates freely in its inertial frame, ....



    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex plane).

    That view is a little unusual. But I think, it's actually correct.

    This would lead to the conclusion, that the term 'light' denotes
    actually a subset of waves, which propagate with c.

    There exist other 'waves' wich 'wiggle' along other axes.

    For instance so called 'scalar waves' are longitudinal and timelike.

    This means: scalar waves have kind of frequency, but in the timelike direction.

    This could be assisted by waves, which propagate with infinite velocity,
    but not very far.

    Since those 'waves' are spacelike and time-less, they behave actually
    like static fields.

    Some subset of a continuum (between zero and infinite velocity) is 'light-like' and that's where we find light.

    And how ever you turn your own frame of reference, some directions are
    always time-like, light-like and space-like.

    Since matter is timelike stable, we need to consider worlds, where our
    matter is light-like or spacelike.

    TH



    The usual theory has light as EM radiation, here it's its own form
    of radiation, with the property of "pure diffraction" instead of
    the "compunded refraction" of EM waves, and that light's information
    is in decoherence instead of the coherence of EM waves, thus that
    like energy, with its various forms, as quantity, then radiation,
    with its various forms, as quantity, in the entelechy and the media,
    then that light is "free, if metered", its transit, in all directions, according to frame-spaces and space-frames, the space, an inertial-system.

    That light is "pure diffraction" instead of "compunded refraction",
    both takes into account all the usual reasoning why that light
    and radio aren't different, and explains why they are different.

    Radio (signals) doesn't diffract, it refracts.
    Light (signal) diffracts.


    It's key when making such claims of a theory that it
    both matches all the data and makes room in the theory
    without disturbing all the derivations.


    To be "the usual theory", ....


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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 1 14:57:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 8/1/2026 7:03 AM, Orlando Chuhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the blink
    of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    nonsense, to avoid the breakage due the force from the acceleration, the stuff in it has to be already inside the bubble. There are many levels of bubbles here, people dont undrestand

    Time exists in every dimension? Say a 4-ary field here, t is time.

    ((x, y, z, w), t)

    also, well, say 2d:

    ((x, y), t), notice how t is still there, yet embedded in the 4d n-ary
    field? t is outside of the n-ary vector part...

    Anything with a non-zero w component is as a ghost to the 3d landers,
    well, so to speak... I a sense its invisible, but there in the 3d
    component (x, y, z). So say the w component is non-zero, but very tiny
    say: .00000000000000000000000000000001

    It might seems like some sort of "paranormal experience" to the 3d
    landers. Rofl.

    Just riffing here.




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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 1 16:29:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/1/2026 7:03 AM, Orlando Chuhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the blink
    of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    nonsense, to avoid the breakage due the force from the acceleration, the
    stuff in it has to be already inside the bubble. There are many levels of
    bubbles here, people dont undrestand

    Time exists in every dimension? Say a 4-ary field here, t is time.

    ((x, y, z, w), t)

    also, well, say 2d:

    ((x, y), t), notice how t is still there, yet embedded in the 4d n-ary field? t is outside of the n-ary vector part...

    Anything with a non-zero w component is as a ghost to the 3d landers,
    well, so to speak... I a sense its invisible, but there in the 3d
    component (x, y, z). So say the w component is non-zero, but very tiny
    say: .00000000000000000000000000000001

    It might seems like some sort of "paranormal experience" to the 3d
    landers. Rofl.

    Just riffing here.

    How well do you trust Python for numbers? It's praised for dropping the
    limit seen in other languages.

    One of the equations I'm working on is:

    pow (a,1000000002,4000000007)

    where the third argument to pow defines the modulo used in the arithmetic.

    I haven't done full debugging yet, but I'm wondering if problems with
    the numbers are causing the errors I'm seeing thus far. I know I once
    detected an error maybe for a 30 or so digit number that I could point
    to, but never really had a conversation (or argument) about Python's
    numerical capabilities.
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  • From Paul B. Andersen@paul.b.andersen@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Aug 2 14:17:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Den 01.08.2026 12:47, skrev Stefan Ram:
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
    There is an excellent series of videos (playlist) on relativity
    by Eigenchris. (Every single one of his video series is a total
    masterclass - flawless production, zero filler, and impeccable
    instructional design.)
    Especially his videos 105a, 105b, and 105c all deal exclusively
    with acceleration in special relativity, but to properly under-
    stand them, it might be best to view the series from the start!

    No, there actually are /six/ videos by Eigenchris about acceleration
    in SR!

    |Relativity 105:
    |Acceleration In Special Relativity
    |
    |a. Hyperbolic Motion (acceleration), Rindler Horizon
    |b. Rindler Coordinates and Bell's Spaceship Paradox
    |c. Basis Vectors/Jacobian in Curvilinear Coordinates
    |d. The Proper Time Along Curves and Twin Paradox
    |e. Covariant Derivative
    |f. Geodesic Curves (inertial frames/zero forces)



    https://paulba.no/pdf/TwinsByMetric.pdf
    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/
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  • From Paul B. Andersen@paul.b.andersen@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Aug 2 14:30:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Den 01.08.2026 08:34, skrev Thomas Heger:

    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex plane).

    Please define 'speed of light' and explain why it according to
    this definition 'actually is an angle in a complex plane'.
    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Aug 2 14:37:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 8/2/2026 2:17 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 01.08.2026 12:47, skrev Stefan Ram:
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
    There is an excellent series of videos (playlist) on relativity
    by Eigenchris. (Every single one of his video series is a total
    masterclass - flawless production, zero filler, and impeccable
    instructional design.)
    Especially his videos 105a, 105b, and 105c all deal exclusively
    with acceleration in special relativity, but to properly under-
    stand them, it might be best to view the series from the start!

    -a-a No, there actually are /six/ videos by Eigenchris about acceleration
    -a-a in SR!

    |Relativity 105:
    |Acceleration In Special Relativity
    |
    |a. Hyperbolic Motion (acceleration), Rindler Horizon
    |b. Rindler Coordinates and Bell's Spaceship Paradox
    |c. Basis Vectors/Jacobian in Curvilinear Coordinates
    |d. The Proper Time Along Curves and Twin Paradox
    |e. Covariant Derivative
    |f. Geodesic Curves (inertial frames/zero forces)



    https://paulba.no/pdf/TwinsByMetric.pdf

    Even such a disgusting piece of lying shit
    as Paul is can't lie non stop, howevwer, so
    sometimes it admits that the real measurement
    reults have little in common with these
    nonsenses.




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  • From Yusdel Babadzhanov@aa@ldzssy.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 2 14:00:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 8/1/2026 7:03 AM, Orlando Chuhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the
    blink of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    nonsense, to avoid the breakage due the force from the acceleration,
    the stuff in it has to be already inside the bubble. There are many
    levels of bubbles here, people dont undrestand

    Time exists in every dimension? Say a 4-ary field here, t is time.

    ((x, y, z, w), t)

    also, well, say 2d:

    ((x, y), t), notice how t is still there, yet embedded in the 4d n-ary
    field? t is outside of the n-ary vector part...

    Anything with a non-zero w component is as a ghost to the 3d landers,
    well, so to speak... I a sense its invisible, but there in the 3d
    component (x, y, z). So say the w component is non-zero, but very tiny
    say: .00000000000000000000000000000001

    you talk about immaterial, not invisible related only to 3d+time. This
    guys in relativity dont undrestand domains, interfaces etc, what a shame;
    they only believe in an Einstine, leaving his family and kids to flew from defending his country to whore in america, a country of whores
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  • From Harens Balakhovsky@hh@laav.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 2 14:04:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:

    https://paulba.no/pdf/TwinsByMetric.pdf

    Even such a disgusting piece of lying shit as Paul is can't lie non
    stop, howevwer, so sometimes it admits that the real measurement reults
    have little in common with these nonsenses.

    real measurements involves standards, which also are measurements, by convention assumed standards. The only thing you have to be careful about
    in measurements, it's whether they are invasive or not.
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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 2 08:10:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Yusdel Babadzhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 8/1/2026 7:03 AM, Orlando Chuhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the
    blink of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    nonsense, to avoid the breakage due the force from the acceleration,
    the stuff in it has to be already inside the bubble. There are many
    levels of bubbles here, people dont undrestand

    Time exists in every dimension? Say a 4-ary field here, t is time.

    ((x, y, z, w), t)

    also, well, say 2d:

    ((x, y), t), notice how t is still there, yet embedded in the 4d n-ary
    field? t is outside of the n-ary vector part...

    Anything with a non-zero w component is as a ghost to the 3d landers,
    well, so to speak... I a sense its invisible, but there in the 3d
    component (x, y, z). So say the w component is non-zero, but very tiny
    say: .00000000000000000000000000000001

    you talk about immaterial, not invisible related only to 3d+time. This
    guys in relativ USA is rfaces etc, what a shame; they only belie hore mily and kids to flew from defending his country to whore in america, a country of whores


    Lisa is
    my honey

    Tagged.
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity on Sun Aug 2 10:41:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/01/2026 07:04 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 07/31/2026 11:34 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Freitag000031, 31.07.2026 um 16:57 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
    On 07/31/2026 04:06 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    amirjf nin <amirjfnin@aim.com> wrote or quoted:
    What amount of acceleration involved is too high for SR to apply?

    There is an excellent series of videos (playlist) on relativity
    by Eigenchris. (Every single one of his video series is a total
    masterclass - flawless production, zero filler, and impeccable
    instructional design.)

    Especially his videos 105a, 105b, and 105c all deal exclusively
    with acceleration in special relativity, but to properly under-
    stand them, it might be best to view the series from the start!



    Einstein's perspective of SR is "riding the light".

    Which already propagates freely in its inertial frame, ....



    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex plane).

    That view is a little unusual. But I think, it's actually correct.

    This would lead to the conclusion, that the term 'light' denotes
    actually a subset of waves, which propagate with c.

    There exist other 'waves' wich 'wiggle' along other axes.

    For instance so called 'scalar waves' are longitudinal and timelike.

    This means: scalar waves have kind of frequency, but in the timelike
    direction.

    This could be assisted by waves, which propagate with infinite velocity,
    but not very far.

    Since those 'waves' are spacelike and time-less, they behave actually
    like static fields.

    Some subset of a continuum (between zero and infinite velocity) is
    'light-like' and that's where we find light.

    And how ever you turn your own frame of reference, some directions are
    always time-like, light-like and space-like.

    Since matter is timelike stable, we need to consider worlds, where our
    matter is light-like or spacelike.

    TH



    The usual theory has light as EM radiation, here it's its own form
    of radiation, with the property of "pure diffraction" instead of
    the "compunded refraction" of EM waves, and that light's information
    is in decoherence instead of the coherence of EM waves, thus that
    like energy, with its various forms, as quantity, then radiation,
    with its various forms, as quantity, in the entelechy and the media,
    then that light is "free, if metered", its transit, in all directions, according to frame-spaces and space-frames, the space, an inertial-system.

    That light is "pure diffraction" instead of "compunded refraction",
    both takes into account all the usual reasoning why that light
    and radio aren't different, and explains why they are different.

    Radio (signals) doesn't diffract, it refracts.
    Light (signal) diffracts.


    It's key when making such claims of a theory that it
    both matches all the data and makes room in the theory
    without disturbing all the derivations.


    To be "the usual theory", ....



    (Flexes, points.)


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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 2 12:33:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 8/2/2026 7:10 AM, Lane W wrote:
    Yusdel Babadzhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 8/1/2026 7:03 AM, Orlando Chuhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the
    blink of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    nonsense, to avoid the breakage due the force from the acceleration,
    the stuff in it has to be already inside the bubble. There are many
    levels of bubbles here, people dont undrestand

    Time exists in every dimension? Say a 4-ary field here, t is time.

    ((x, y, z, w), t)

    also, well, say 2d:

    ((x, y), t), notice how t is still there, yet embedded in the 4d n-ary
    field? t is outside of the n-ary vector part...

    Anything with a non-zero w component is as a ghost to the 3d landers,
    well, so to speak... I a sense its invisible, but there in the 3d
    component (x, y, z). So say the w component is non-zero, but very tiny
    say: .00000000000000000000000000000001

    you talk about immaterial, not invisible related only to 3d+time. This
    guys in relativ-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a USA is-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a rfaces etc, what a shame;
    they only belie-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a hore-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a mily and kids to flew
    from
    defending his country to whore in america, a country of whores


    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Lisa is
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a my-a-a honey

    Tagged.

    Who is Lisa? ;^)
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity on Mon Aug 3 06:17:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Samstag000001, 01.08.2026 um 10:56 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
    On 7/31/2026 11:34 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    [...]
    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex plane).

    Why? An angle? What about how fast any angle can be integrated on? Angle
    say as normalized direction? Lets define a distance, very small... How
    many of those units does it take to gain the speed of light in a certain time frame? Or just make a line. p0 and p1, where the distance is say a light year. We draw it at once? ;^)

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the blink
    of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    [...]

    I compare a spacetime diagram with an Argand diagram and find
    similarities. That's why I assume, that spacetime is real and has
    complex valued components.

    The 'angle' i is then equivalent to 90-#.

    Now c has an 'angle' of 45-# or 'i/2'.

    Now ANY 'angle' should be possible:
    from zero to i and all its multiples

    This should also go into the negative direction:

    from minus infinity to zero

    That's why all states should be possible, which complex valued
    components could eventually describe.

    Time looks like 'pure imaginary' or multiples of i.

    The direction perpendicular is the inverse of time and called 'spacelike'.

    Spacelike is the behavior of static fields.

    In-between we find the light cone, which seems to be equally composed
    from timelike i and the quaternionic units j, k, l.

    This 'direction' (in spacetime) is depending on the local direction of
    time and the 'local direction of static fields).

    Since mass is timelike, too, we have an 'inverse' to mass, that is a
    static field.

    Now combine both and get an atom (a simple one like hydrogen).

    This means, that matter is 'relative' because matter needs mass and that
    mass is depending on the local direction of time.

    I called this concept 'structured spacetime' and have written kind of
    book about it (almost 20 years ago):

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing


    TH
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 3 06:28:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Samstag000001, 01.08.2026 um 16:00 schrieb Hayden Maksimov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    In my opinion 'speed of light' is actually an angle (in a complex
    plane).

    That view is a little unusual. But I think, it's actually correct.

    This would lead to the conclusion, that the term 'light' denotes
    actually a subset of waves, which propagate with c.

    There exist other 'waves' wich 'wiggle' along other axes.

    For instance so called 'scalar waves' are longitudinal and timelike.

    This means: scalar waves have kind of frequency, but in the timelike
    direction.

    you mix shit together, what complex, what scalar, longitudinal etc. Light goes only through space not time. Your 4% adherence fuhrrer mertz wants to disable you right to vote on a party he dont like, worse than mosenior hitler, who comparable was a humanist, protecting jews with swimming
    pools, theatre, chocolate, good housing, food etc. The free people from outside come to the spa camp to buy food from jews, because as different, they had


    Well, you put '...mix shit together...' to another level.

    First:

    the Nazis didn't allow ANY opposition after they took over power in a
    coup (apparently assisted by anglo american finance and agencies).

    Merz (Germany's current Prime minister) didn't do anything similar, but apparently took money from 'Blackrock', because he was formerly the CEO
    of Blackrock Germany.

    Not hat nice, but people didn't know much about the PMs former life,
    until he was already in office.

    Well, yes, not that good, but by no means comparable to what the Nazis did.

    Back to physics:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.


    TH
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  • From Brooks Mikhaltsov@oov@vhitsair.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 3 12:01:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where z-transforms
    are used instead of the Laplace transformation.
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Aug 5 07:21:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 14:01 schrieb Brooks Mikhaltsov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where z-transforms
    are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That is your view.

    My oppinion is quite different, because your 'World' isn't symmetric enough.

    I have written this 'book' about what I think is true:


    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing


    TH
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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Aug 5 13:53:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 8/1/2026 3:29 PM, Lane W wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/1/2026 7:03 AM, Orlando Chuhanov wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    Makes me ponder on Bob Lazar. Travel light years in less than the blink >>>> of an eye without breaking the speed of light.

    nonsense, to avoid the breakage due the force from the acceleration, the >>> stuff in it has to be already inside the bubble. There are many
    levels of
    bubbles here, people dont undrestand

    Time exists in every dimension? Say a 4-ary field here, t is time.

    ((x, y, z, w), t)

    also, well, say 2d:

    ((x, y), t), notice how t is still there, yet embedded in the 4d n-ary
    field? t is outside of the n-ary vector part...

    Anything with a non-zero w component is as a ghost to the 3d landers,
    well, so to speak... I a sense its invisible, but there in the 3d
    component (x, y, z). So say the w component is non-zero, but very tiny
    say: .00000000000000000000000000000001

    It might seems like some sort of "paranormal experience" to the 3d
    landers. Rofl.

    Just riffing here.

    How well do you trust Python for numbers? It's praised for dropping the limit seen in other languages.

    Python? Not 100% sure. I know how to use it, Python 3 is not bad. Fwiw,
    for arbitrary numbers, I tend to use GMP.





    One of the equations I'm working on is:

    pow (a,1000000002,4000000007)

    where the third argument to pow defines the modulo used in the arithmetic.

    I haven't done full debugging yet, but I'm wondering if problems with
    the numbers are causing the errors I'm seeing thus far. I know I once detected an error maybe for a 30 or so digit number that I could point
    to, but never really had a conversation (or argument) about Python's numerical capabilities.

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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 05:33:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 14:01 schrieb Brooks Mikhaltsov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where z-transforms
    are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That's true.

    But I wanted to start at the GR side and proceed from there to the QM-side.

    Actually my aim was to build particles out of spacetime (of GR), hence
    assume the real existence of something like the z-plane (which I simply
    called 'complex plane'), but 'in volume'.

    Then the axis of time is local and in a cone around it we find what we
    call 'space' and perpendicular as an inverse to time the hyperplane of
    the present.

    The combination of a static field, which is timeless, hence belongs to
    the hyperplane of the present, and the axis of time gives an atom,
    because mass is timelike.

    This 'atom' is 'relativistic', because it depends on the local axis of
    time what we call 'atom'.

    This 'z-plane in volume' could be achieved, if we take a complex plane
    and 'multiply it by three' as three perpendicular complex planes.

    Then we combine it with a 'perpendicular' imaginary axis of time and
    need something like a 'bi-quaternion field',

    This is quite abstract, sure, but I had written kind of book about this concept called 'structured spacetime' many years ago:

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

    This concept behaves imho quite well and is astonishingly simple.

    But it is only sooooo different to anything you ever heard of, that
    hardly anybody understands it.


    TH

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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Wed Aug 5 21:48:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/05/2026 08:33 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 14:01 schrieb Brooks Mikhaltsov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find similarities. >>>
    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where z-transforms
    are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That's true.

    But I wanted to start at the GR side and proceed from there to the QM-side.

    Actually my aim was to build particles out of spacetime (of GR), hence
    assume the real existence of something like the z-plane (which I simply called 'complex plane'), but 'in volume'.

    Then the axis of time is local and in a cone around it we find what we
    call 'space' and perpendicular as an inverse to time the hyperplane of
    the present.

    The combination of a static field, which is timeless, hence belongs to
    the hyperplane of the present, and the axis of time gives an atom,
    because mass is timelike.

    This 'atom' is 'relativistic', because it depends on the local axis of
    time what we call 'atom'.

    This 'z-plane in volume' could be achieved, if we take a complex plane
    and 'multiply it by three' as three perpendicular complex planes.

    Then we combine it with a 'perpendicular' imaginary axis of time and
    need something like a 'bi-quaternion field',

    This is quite abstract, sure, but I had written kind of book about this concept called 'structured spacetime' many years ago:

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing


    This concept behaves imho quite well and is astonishingly simple.

    But it is only sooooo different to anything you ever heard of, that
    hardly anybody understands it.


    TH



    One may aver that it's changes in acceleration where SR no longer applies.


    For example an account of rest-exchange-momentum, along with light-speed-rest-frame, both of which are simple admissible
    interpretations of inertial frames and Lorentzian invariance,
    then has that the "boost" and so on, which lives in the kinetic,
    would falsify usual assumptions of usual theories about SR,
    which is governed by the light-like, or vice-versa.


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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 01:13:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/05/2026 09:48 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 08/05/2026 08:33 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 14:01 schrieb Brooks Mikhaltsov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find
    similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where
    z-transforms
    are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That's true.

    But I wanted to start at the GR side and proceed from there to the
    QM-side.

    Actually my aim was to build particles out of spacetime (of GR), hence
    assume the real existence of something like the z-plane (which I simply
    called 'complex plane'), but 'in volume'.

    Then the axis of time is local and in a cone around it we find what we
    call 'space' and perpendicular as an inverse to time the hyperplane of
    the present.

    The combination of a static field, which is timeless, hence belongs to
    the hyperplane of the present, and the axis of time gives an atom,
    because mass is timelike.

    This 'atom' is 'relativistic', because it depends on the local axis of
    time what we call 'atom'.

    This 'z-plane in volume' could be achieved, if we take a complex plane
    and 'multiply it by three' as three perpendicular complex planes.

    Then we combine it with a 'perpendicular' imaginary axis of time and
    need something like a 'bi-quaternion field',

    This is quite abstract, sure, but I had written kind of book about this
    concept called 'structured spacetime' many years ago:

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing



    This concept behaves imho quite well and is astonishingly simple.

    But it is only sooooo different to anything you ever heard of, that
    hardly anybody understands it.


    TH



    One may aver that it's changes in acceleration where SR no longer applies.


    For example an account of rest-exchange-momentum, along with light-speed-rest-frame, both of which are simple admissible
    interpretations of inertial frames and Lorentzian invariance,
    then has that the "boost" and so on, which lives in the kinetic,
    would falsify usual assumptions of usual theories about SR,
    which is governed by the light-like, or vice-versa.



    Feynman and Wheeler call that "advanced" and "retarded",
    the potentials, since the potential fields are outside
    the usual theory where the classical fields are the real fields,
    in a potentialistic setting where the potential fields are the real fields.

    Of course these are at least yet still "fields", not "non-fields"
    like "Higgs field: not a classical field".


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  • From Toney Zolotenkov@ennv@nkt.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 13:20:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find
    similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where
    z-transforms are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That is your view.

    My oppinion is quite different, because your 'World' isn't symmetric
    enough.

    I have written this 'book' about what I think is true:

    you keep talking nonsense. There is no frequency characterising spacetime,
    as to be complex. It must be new for me. Try again, where is the missing
    time stored?
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  • From Mercury Abdrahmanoff@frm@rbrh.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 13:51:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find
    similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where
    z-transforms are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That's true.

    But I wanted to start at the GR side and proceed from there to the
    QM-side.

    Actually my aim was to build particles out of spacetime (of GR), hence
    assume the real existence of something like the z-plane (which I simply called 'complex plane'), but 'in volume'.

    Then the axis of time is local and in a cone around it we find what we
    call 'space' and perpendicular as an inverse to time the hyperplane of
    the present.

    unbelievable so much crap in a short sentence. A z-plane involves discrete sampled frequencies. Do it again, one more time
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 06:51:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/06/2026 06:20 AM, Toney Zolotenkov wrote:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find
    similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where
    z-transforms are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That is your view.

    My oppinion is quite different, because your 'World' isn't symmetric
    enough.

    I have written this 'book' about what I think is true:

    you keep talking nonsense. There is no frequency characterising spacetime,
    as to be complex. It must be new for me. Try again, where is the missing
    time stored?


    There's no other place for it to be stored, time, except in itself.

    This is for something like "there are no closed time-like curves,
    yet there are no finite closed time-like curves,
    yet there are everywhere closed infinitesimal time-like curves."

    Also there's the "clocks meet or slow", that they are always
    meeting or slowing, that that's an account of the relativity
    in the absolute.

    If something's got to give, and nothing can give, then
    it gives everywhere at all, not quite nothing at all.


    Luckily, the way the entire classical foundation and all
    the modern physics is defined and derived, there's
    plenty of _room_ in the theory, just sitting there,
    and besides the _room_ that mathematics owes physics,
    there's _room_ in the formalisms, and conveniently, the data.


    Motion always both takes and makes room, in _space_,
    with _real_ space-contraction.


    These then here are called space-frames and frame-spaces,
    the Raume-Rahmen and Rahme-Raumen, for example modern
    relativity-theory says everything is frames, in space,
    it doesn't say that everything isn't space, in frames.


    So, everybody being totally subject the theory,
    also the theory's subject itself, which also goes for mathematics,
    since there's both infinity and continuity, yet also,
    lines that cross and lines that meet.


    So, the post-modern criticism class you sat through
    for some patchouli-smelling girl, maybe its deconstructive
    account is more important for making sense of theory
    than you may recall.

    Not that patchouli is particularly interesting,
    just making an example not from my own experience.


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  • From Rondell Martzenkov@dank@lona.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 13:57:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    There's no other place for it to be stored, time, except in itself.

    This is for something like "there are no closed time-like curves, yet
    there are no finite closed time-like curves,
    yet there are everywhere closed infinitesimal time-like curves."

    Also there's the "clocks meet or slow", that they are always meeting or slowing, that that's an account of the relativity in the absolute.

    i dont undrestand. Bye
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 07:09:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/06/2026 06:57 AM, Rondell Martzenkov wrote:
    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    There's no other place for it to be stored, time, except in itself.

    This is for something like "there are no closed time-like curves, yet
    there are no finite closed time-like curves,
    yet there are everywhere closed infinitesimal time-like curves."

    Also there's the "clocks meet or slow", that they are always meeting or
    slowing, that that's an account of the relativity in the absolute.

    i dont undrestand. Bye


    This is that relativity is a way of looking at things,
    including how things observe each other, yet things are absolute.

    How about "particles are models of state in a closed system,
    waves are models of change in an open system". Most people
    box in their waves as somehow closed and expect their particles
    to move around.


    It's like Galileo and moving and spinning bodies, one might aver
    "Galileo says there's no difference moving and spinning bodies",
    yet Galileo may correct "actually I don't anything about the
    difference between moving and spinning bodies, now that we're
    talking about space-contraction I don't say anything about the
    difference space-contraction-linear and space-contraction-rotational,
    that's on you".

    Then at some point to result a formula explaining a gyroscope,
    somebody just said "let's just introduce a new force and call
    it 'angular momentum's', nobody'll really notice if it cancels
    out".

    And it's like, going between 0 and 90 degrees, only two of
    those are right angles.

    "But I only see one!"


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  • From Yves Bilbasov@say@aee.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 18:01:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    And it's like, going between 0 and 90 degrees, only two of those are
    right angles.

    "But I only see one!"

    sinus and cosines are displaced 90rU# kiss my ass, ie AC current/voltage in
    a wire; there are no such things in relativity, nor light
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 11:30:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/06/2026 11:01 AM, Yves Bilbasov wrote:
    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    And it's like, going between 0 and 90 degrees, only two of those are
    right angles.

    "But I only see one!"

    sinus and cosines are displaced 90rU# kiss my ass, ie AC current/voltage in
    a wire; there are no such things in relativity, nor light


    Polarity's a thing, then though that phase gets pretty involved,
    about remanence and reluctance and a bunch of the other kinds
    of what are often qualitative properties with regards to Ohm
    and Kirchhoff law in passive and active circuits which are inductor-resistor-capacitor networks or RLC networks, L for inductor,
    that both the root-mean-square and impedance end up being crossing
    lines for each other, has that besides Coulomb, are both Ampere
    and Faraday, with regards usually enough to phase-locked-loops
    and differential-pairs and temperature-compensated-oscillators,
    that allow packet electronics, vis-a-vis, power electronics,
    or, the digital and analog.


    So, it often happens that the secondary and tertiary qualities
    are actually primary in the sense of the potential and in-rush
    and current, vis-a-vis the classical approximation in the middle,
    why each of Faraday's and Coulomb's and Ampere's have laws that
    don't much talk to each other.

    Except that they do, ....


    The great electricians of the 19'th century have a whole
    alphabet of lettered electrical fields, most of which
    are potential-fields, then, Maxwell's equations of relations
    of fields, is actually two of those or E x B and D x H,
    which as he notes either one is real, the other then
    sort of less so. Point being: there's a whole alphabet
    of potential fields in electricity and magnetism,
    which Kelvin thinks are kinetic and FitzGerald seems to agree.

    The O.W. Richardson account of "The Electron Theory of Matter"
    is great then also relating the whole thing to atomic theory
    and electron theory, while though both Rutherford and Fermi
    are a bit more the "solid state" of the electronic, then
    that Fermi-holes are electron-holes yet electron-holes
    are not Fermi-holes, since they don't know.




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  • From Cole Baharev@bae@avoa.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 6 20:01:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    The great electricians of the 19'th century have a whole alphabet of
    lettered electrical fields, most of which are potential-fields, then, Maxwell's equations of relations of fields, is actually two of those or
    E x B and D x H,
    which as he notes either one is real, the other then sort of less so.
    Point being: there's a whole alphabet of potential fields in electricity
    and magnetism,
    which Kelvin thinks are kinetic and FitzGerald seems to agree.

    you know so many things, indeed, i think the magnetic field is causing the
    90 degrees displacement, hence the magnetic has to flow parallel with the electric. Thanks.
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 08:32:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Donnerstag000006, 06.08.2026 um 10:13 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
    On 08/05/2026 09:48 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 08/05/2026 08:33 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 14:01 schrieb Brooks Mikhaltsov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find
    similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where
    z-transforms
    are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That's true.

    But I wanted to start at the GR side and proceed from there to the
    QM-side.

    Actually my aim was to build particles out of spacetime (of GR), hence
    assume the real existence of something like the z-plane (which I simply
    called 'complex plane'), but 'in volume'.

    Then the axis of time is local and in a cone around it we find what we
    call 'space' and perpendicular as an inverse to time the hyperplane of
    the present.

    The combination of a static field, which is timeless, hence belongs to
    the hyperplane of the present, and the axis of time gives an atom,
    because mass is timelike.

    This 'atom' is 'relativistic', because it depends on the local axis of
    time what we call 'atom'.

    This 'z-plane in volume' could be achieved, if we take a complex plane
    and 'multiply it by three' as three perpendicular complex planes.

    Then we combine it with a 'perpendicular' imaginary axis of time and
    need something like a 'bi-quaternion field',

    This is quite abstract, sure, but I had written kind of book about this
    concept called 'structured spacetime' many years ago:

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/
    d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing



    This concept behaves imho quite well and is astonishingly simple.

    But it is only sooooo different to anything you ever heard of, that
    hardly anybody understands it.


    TH



    One may aver that it's changes in acceleration where SR no longer
    applies.


    Google's KI write about that statement:

    "That is a common misconception, but Special Relativity (SR) handles acceleration perfectly fine.The true boundary of Special Relativity is
    not acceleration, but the geometry of spacetime itself."

    Actually SRT is actually about a hypothetical situation, where
    everything behaves 'inertial'.
    Such an absence of gravity, for instance, isn't found anywhere in the universe.

    Acceleration on the other hand is not 'relativistic', but 'absolute'.

    This means:

    you don't need to have a reference point to measure acceleration, but
    you need a reference point, if you want to measure your own velocity (in
    a space like that of SRT).

    The term 'SRT' is also not well defined, since often it is used as
    shorthand for Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.

    But in that paper the word 'acceleration' is only used in connection
    with electrons.

    Other uses of 'acceleration' (or any other equivalent phrase, symbol or equation) do not occur.

    So: 'SRT' is used in its modern form today, where acceleration is
    covered, even if Einstein didn't do that.


    TH
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 08:44:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Donnerstag000006, 06.08.2026 um 15:20 schrieb Toney Zolotenkov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find
    similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where
    z-transforms are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That is your view.

    My oppinion is quite different, because your 'World' isn't symmetric
    enough.

    I have written this 'book' about what I think is true:

    you keep talking nonsense. There is no frequency characterising spacetime,
    as to be complex. It must be new for me. Try again, where is the missing
    time stored?


    ???

    My approach was different than yours.

    You start to search for a solution at the state of your knowledge you
    had, once you were finished with whatever kind of education you had.


    My approach was something like this assumption:

    nature needs to be understood as an undevided system, which acts upon
    very simple rules.

    These simple rules need to be sufficiant, to generate a phlethora of
    patterns and interactions, which we observe in nature.

    Since these rules have very littel to act upon, they cannot be that complicated.

    Now you only need to 'scan' for possible candidates and investigate,
    whether or not you are able to build a world with them.

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had
    an internal structure"

    I called that system

    "Structured spacetime"

    Hardly anybody took notice of my 'book', even if a few people did.

    I had written it in 2007 and 2008 and changed a few things in 2010 and 'published' it online as 'google doc':

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

    TH
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  • From Victo Babahanov@biti@nia.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 10:16:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Since these rules have very littel to act upon, they cannot be that complicated.

    Now you only need to 'scan' for possible candidates and investigate,
    whether or not you are able to build a world with them.

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary part is
    there where it exists, as measurable quantity.
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  • From Leslie Ruzimatov@lzoiev@smr.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 10:19:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you don't need to have a reference point to measure acceleration, but
    you need a reference point, if you want to measure your own velocity (in
    a space like that of SRT).

    yet another student not knowing what acceleration is
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 05:02:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/06/2026 01:01 PM, Cole Baharev wrote:
    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    The great electricians of the 19'th century have a whole alphabet of
    lettered electrical fields, most of which are potential-fields, then,
    Maxwell's equations of relations of fields, is actually two of those or
    E x B and D x H,
    which as he notes either one is real, the other then sort of less so.
    Point being: there's a whole alphabet of potential fields in electricity
    and magnetism,
    which Kelvin thinks are kinetic and FitzGerald seems to agree.

    you know so many things, indeed, i think the magnetic field is causing the
    90 degrees displacement, hence the magnetic has to flow parallel with the electric. Thanks.


    It's kind of like a wall, at infinity, since they flow together.


    DesCartes and Kelvin have everything as "vortices" instead of "particles".


    Kind of like particles have waves, waves have resonances.
    Then, like particles have waves, waves have spirals.


    So, like from before, when there three kinds of clocks,
    the wristwatch, the star-field, and a wavy middle,
    then Einstein is like "imagine two wristwatches, ...".


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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 08:12:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Victo Babahanov wrote:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Since these rules have very littel to act upon, they cannot be that
    complicated.

    Now you only need to 'scan' for possible candidates and investigate,
    whether or not you are able to build a world with them.

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary part is
    there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can just put complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are there.
    Take that apple in your hand. It's sort of spherical, right? The
    spherical notion is chock full of nutritious imaginary numbers. Don't
    you fucking read the stuff I already wrote last week?
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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 08:35:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Leslie Ruzimatov wrote:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you don't need to have a reference point to measure acceleration, but
    you need a reference point, if you want to measure your own velocity (in
    a space like that of SRT).

    yet another student not knowing what acceleration is

    Good on him. Mechanical Engineering is for Dummies. We don't deal with acceleration in good old Electrical Engineering.
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 18:53:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Donnerstag000006, 06.08.2026 um 15:51 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
    On 08/06/2026 06:20 AM, Toney Zolotenkov wrote:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I compare spacetime diagrams with Argand diagrams and find
    similarities.

    That's why I thought, that spacetime of GR is real and has complex
    valued components.

    The z-plane is a discrete-time version of the s-plane, where
    z-transforms are used instead of the Laplace transformation.

    That is your view.

    My oppinion is quite different, because your 'World' isn't symmetric
    enough.

    I have written this 'book' about what I think is true:

    you keep talking nonsense. There is no frequency characterising
    spacetime,
    as to be complex. It must be new for me. Try again, where is the missing
    time stored?


    There's no other place for it to be stored, time, except in itself.

    This is for something like "there are no closed time-like curves,
    yet there are no finite closed time-like curves,
    yet there are everywhere closed infinitesimal time-like curves."

    Also there's the "clocks meet or slow", that they are always
    meeting or slowing, that that's an account of the relativity
    in the absolute.

    If something's got to give, and nothing can give, then
    it gives everywhere at all, not quite nothing at all.


    Luckily, the way the entire classical foundation and all
    the modern physics is defined and derived, there's
    plenty of _room_ in the theory, just sitting there,
    and besides the _room_ that mathematics owes physics,
    there's _room_ in the formalisms, and conveniently, the data.


    Motion always both takes and makes room, in _space_,
    with _real_ space-contraction.

    I regard the local (imaginary) axis of time as kind of 'filter'.

    This 'filter' is filtering out of a super-space, what we call 'matter'
    and what we call 'space'.

    IoW: our space (or what we call 'universe') isn't neither real nor
    universal, but the local impression of a world, which has more and other dimensions then ours.

    From that super-set is only a sub-set visible for us.

    That subset is, what we call 'universe', even if it depends on us and
    our position and is neither real nor universal.

    We also take the direction of time for granted and regard that as universal.

    But: if our axis of time filters, what we call 'space', than other times
    would filter out other spaces.

    Actually there is no reason to assume, that the direction of time is
    universal and always the same.

    I would make more sense to assume, that local time is always positive
    and seen from there other directions of time could be 'sideways' or even backwards.

    This sounds a little strange, but is actually a 'must'!

    The overlay of 'backwards time' and 'forward time' would allow a
    universe in the first place, while all other assumptions would violate
    at least a few conservation laws.

    But it ain't that easy, because spacetime is 'anti-symmetric', hence an anti-world with backwards time would also be filled with anti-matter.

    Now the 'real universe' had interesting features:

    it would 'fold back into itself' and is actually 'timeless'.

    Only the local spaces have a distinct positive time (which is always
    positive by definition), while the universe itself has no age.

    ...


    TH
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 19:13:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 12:16 schrieb Victo Babahanov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Since these rules have very littel to act upon, they cannot be that
    complicated.

    Now you only need to 'scan' for possible candidates and investigate,
    whether or not you are able to build a world with them.

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary part is
    there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Well, I can do whatever I like.

    My assumption was:

    spacetime is real and behaves like a quaternion field.

    What we see and call 'universe' is only our local impression.

    The idea behind this concept:

    it would allow a very simple connection between GR and QM.

    If we start with spacetime as primordial entity, we have GR already incorporated into our theory, but without even touching a single book
    about relativity.

    Then we only need to make particles (and fields) out of spacetime and
    are actually done.

    That's what my 'book' is about:

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing


    TH
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  • From Presley Elepov@epse@eeveele.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 17:41:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put
    complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary
    part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can just put complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`
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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 12:06:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had >>>> an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put
    complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary
    part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can just put
    complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`

    If your distances are in meters, then

    6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are working on.
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  • From Wilfredo Dogadaev@adaddw@wi.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 7 18:38:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Lane W wrote:

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can just
    put complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are
    there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`

    If your distances are in meters, then

    6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are working
    on.

    length is not a vector, nor complex, idiot, it's a scalar
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 8 07:59:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 12:19 schrieb Leslie Ruzimatov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you don't need to have a reference point to measure acceleration, but
    you need a reference point, if you want to measure your own velocity (in
    a space like that of SRT).

    yet another student not knowing what acceleration is

    Actually I know how 'acceleration' is defined:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration

    Quote:

    "It is defined as the rate of change of the velocity. Like velocity, acceleration has a magnitude and a direction, making it a vector quantity"

    The direction could be taken from the direction of motion (which is the observers own direction 'forward') and some arbitrary point for rotation
    (say: left).

    This requires no external reference points, hence acceleration could be measured without knowing, where you are.

    Velocity, on the other hand, cannot be measured without an external
    reference point, because velocity is a change, too, but not of velocity
    but of distance.

    And distance always needs two points at the ends of a straight line.

    TH
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 8 08:09:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 20:06 schrieb Lane W:
    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had >>>>> an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put
    complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary
    part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can just put >>> complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`

    If your distances are in meters, then

    -a 6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are working on.

    Spacetime intervals are not measured in meters.

    The meter is a measure of length in what we call 'real space'.

    That measure has no imaginary components (by definition).

    TH
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  • From Delbert Lohanov@hebh@rdooe.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 8 15:29:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 12:19 schrieb Leslie Ruzimatov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you don't need to have a reference point to measure acceleration, but
    you need a reference point, if you want to measure your own velocity
    (in a space like that of SRT).

    yet another student not knowing what acceleration is

    Actually I know how 'acceleration' is defined:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration

    Quote:

    "It is defined as the rate of change of the velocity. Like velocity, acceleration has a magnitude and a direction, making it a vector
    quantity"

    The direction could be taken from the direction of motion (which is the observers own direction 'forward') and some arbitrary point for rotation (say: left).

    This requires no external reference points, hence acceleration could be measured without knowing, where you are.

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How would you
    know all that without a reference, idiot
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 8 09:25:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/07/2026 11:06 AM, Lane W wrote:
    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which had >>>>> an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put
    complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary
    part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can just put >>> complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`

    If your distances are in meters, then

    6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are working on.

    Zero meters per second is infinity seconds per meter,
    the "infinitely-many higher-orders of acceleration"
    have involved that physics account of 2'nd order dp/dt
    and also usually the "partial" instead of the "total",
    is missing out both all the higher-orders, and, the
    distinction between "ac-celeration" and "de-celeration".

    Then mathematics owes that to physics, about the sigmoidal
    and exponential, between "zero" and "infinity", from A to B.


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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 8 10:57:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Delbert Lohanov wrote:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 12:19 schrieb Leslie Ruzimatov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you don't need to have a reference point to measure acceleration, but
    you need a reference point, if you want to measure your own velocity
    (in a space like that of SRT).

    yet another student not knowing what acceleration is

    Actually I know how 'acceleration' is defined:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration

    Quote:

    "It is defined as the rate of change of the velocity. Like velocity,
    acceleration has a magnitude and a direction, making it a vector
    quantity"

    The direction could be taken from the direction of motion (which is the
    observers own direction 'forward') and some arbitrary point for rotation
    (say: left).

    This requires no external reference points, hence acceleration could be
    measured without knowing, where you are.

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How would you
    know all that without a reference, idiot

    Japanese lights are burning longer, idiot. Why Germany at the back of
    the pack?
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  • From Latane Tulebaev@eebet@tvaa.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 8 18:38:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Lane W wrote:

    Quote:

    "It is defined as the rate of change of the velocity. Like velocity,
    acceleration has a magnitude and a direction, making it a vector
    quantity"

    The direction could be taken from the direction of motion (which is
    the observers own direction 'forward') and some arbitrary point for
    rotation (say: left).

    This requires no external reference points, hence acceleration could
    be measured without knowing, where you are.

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
    and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
    would you know all that without a reference, idiot

    Japanese lights are burning longer, idiot. Why Germany at the back of
    the pack?

    historically, cretin, they are half germans; now go suck your dicks
    somewhere else, you stupid void of education idiot
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 8 18:04:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/08/2026 11:38 AM, Latane Tulebaev wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    Quote:

    "It is defined as the rate of change of the velocity. Like velocity,
    acceleration has a magnitude and a direction, making it a vector
    quantity"

    The direction could be taken from the direction of motion (which is
    the observers own direction 'forward') and some arbitrary point for
    rotation (say: left).

    This requires no external reference points, hence acceleration could
    be measured without knowing, where you are.

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
    and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
    would you know all that without a reference, idiot

    Japanese lights are burning longer, idiot. Why Germany at the back of
    the pack?

    historically, cretin, they are half germans; now go suck your dicks
    somewhere else, you stupid void of education idiot


    (Filed under abuse.)


    Trolls: and cranks to some extent but trolls: are pathetic,
    and by that I don't mean sympathetic, or pitiable, that "pathetic"
    is sort of an old fashioned way of saying "they need help" when
    they really mean "the behavior is outrageous", in a way expressing
    sympathy to people with real problems who make efforts and pains
    to surpass them while doing the right thing, trolls, essentially
    are abuse of the medium.


    So, trolls were one of the reasons that so many of the forae became
    walled-off, since, they're polluters and poisoned the surrounds and
    the dialog and so on, then that leading to its own sort of abuses,
    with people leveraging access to leverage and manipulate people,
    that a non-egalitarian setting, also has that abusers been abusing,
    mostly aided by anonymity and non-accountability and not being
    around when people have complaints.


    So anyways now the Internet, which was working perfectly fine,
    has that "Cloudflare" and all the giant monopoly has basically
    claimed that "robot traffic" means they need a more intrusive browser
    setting to go browse the Internet stacks. It's another example
    of making excuses of abuses, with more of them.


    This isn't saying "if you don't have something nice to say,
    don't say anything at all", yet it is "whatever you want to
    say, say it like it's coming from your own mouth on your own
    face in a public thoroughfare and the rent-a-cop's not coming".

    About oral fixations, or anal fixations, back in Texas there
    was a saying, "fight the dick, or bite the dick". What it reflects
    is that in the psychosexual about homosexual fellatio or "gay head",
    that there are Latin terms since at least the time of Schopenhauer
    that reflect on the psychosexual conflicts of tensions and aggression
    and submission, and usually shame or schadenfreude, that it's better to
    be a natural student of human behavior than a sado-masochistic switch sock-puppet, or anonymous abuser of the chat-troll variety. That is to
    say, some people are mean when possible and nice when necessary, they're considered "switches", that otherwise good people are nice when possible
    and mean when necessary, so they can be sorts of holistically naturally realized people, and to be just like in your writings as
    in "real life".


    Suck on that.




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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 9 09:47:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 17:29 schrieb Delbert Lohanov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 12:19 schrieb Leslie Ruzimatov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you don't need to have a reference point to measure acceleration, but
    you need a reference point, if you want to measure your own velocity
    (in a space like that of SRT).

    yet another student not knowing what acceleration is

    Actually I know how 'acceleration' is defined:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration

    Quote:

    "It is defined as the rate of change of the velocity. Like velocity,
    acceleration has a magnitude and a direction, making it a vector
    quantity"

    The direction could be taken from the direction of motion (which is the
    observers own direction 'forward') and some arbitrary point for rotation
    (say: left).

    This requires no external reference points, hence acceleration could be
    measured without knowing, where you are.

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How would you
    know all that without a reference, idiot


    Actually I'm against vectors and wanted to replace them with quaternions.

    TH
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 9 09:50:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 20:38 schrieb Latane Tulebaev:
    Lane W wrote:

    Quote:

    "It is defined as the rate of change of the velocity. Like velocity,
    acceleration has a magnitude and a direction, making it a vector
    quantity"

    The direction could be taken from the direction of motion (which is
    the observers own direction 'forward') and some arbitrary point for
    rotation (say: left).

    This requires no external reference points, hence acceleration could
    be measured without knowing, where you are.

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
    and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
    would you know all that without a reference, idiot

    Japanese lights are burning longer, idiot. Why Germany at the back of
    the pack?

    historically, cretin, they are half germans; now go suck your dicks
    somewhere else, you stupid void of education idiot

    Japanese are NOT 'half Germans'.

    The term 'Germans' denotes the sum of all speakers of the German language.

    But the Japanese people don't, because they speak Japanese.


    TH
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  • From Beau Holmogorov@hb@olooa.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 9 14:18:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
    and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
    would you know all that without a reference, idiot


    Actually I'm against vectors and wanted to replace them with
    quaternions.

    my man, quaternions without references, just another thing you dont undrestand. Draw a quaternion on a piece of paper, tell me what you got.
    They also are crashing for tan and cot, making them useless in physics

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  • From Bertin Badikov@iiaid@vberi.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 9 14:21:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Ross Finlayson wrote:

    historically, cretin, they are half germans; now go suck your dicks
    somewhere else, you stupid void of education idiot


    (Filed under abuse.)


    Trolls: and cranks to some extent but trolls: are pathetic,
    and by that I don't mean sympathetic, or pitiable, that "pathetic"

    yet another cretin not knowing his written history. Go back to school and read, idiot.


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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 9 10:55:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/09/2026 07:18 AM, Beau Holmogorov wrote:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
    and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
    would you know all that without a reference, idiot


    Actually I'm against vectors and wanted to replace them with
    quaternions.

    my man, quaternions without references, just another thing you dont undrestand. Draw a quaternion on a piece of paper, tell me what you got.
    They also are crashing for tan and cot, making them useless in physics

    ru+ru+ru+ru+ru+ru+rifraUraaraaraaraaruarunru|ru|ru|ru|ru|runriCraeraOro+ru+ru+ru+ru+ru+
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    "Triality is quadratic", is what Lounesto used to say,
    and it's about that usual accounts of the "complex" or
    "hypercomplex" analysis are two different things, though
    one imagines that the imaginary terms are not alike,
    that quaternions ijk are not the same as complex i,
    then that as modeling "rotations and reflections" that
    the usual use of the quaternion is more "Cartanian"
    about reflections and rotations, than "deMoivre-Euler-Gaussian",
    the usual accont of complex analysis, which is just a branch,
    and makes for distinctness results, not uniqueness results.


    The other day I was watching a math stream and the fellow
    was working out deriving Euler's identity. Anyway at
    some point he got to working on establishing the "existence
    and uniqueness of inverse multiplication" or division, in
    complex numbers. So, then working through his example,
    as he put it, "messy elimination" of that the existence
    is easy to figure out yet the uniqueness of quotients
    is an _axiom_ since they are left-complex and right-complex
    quotients, to begin, the usual idea that complex division
    is unique is as closed-minded as that there are no square
    roots of negative numbers, nor even negative numbers,
    nor even numbers.

    So, Euler & Gauss is not the only game in town,
    and Cartan has his own sorts of rules.

    Usual accounts of the "almost" and "very" are
    as much "not-quite" as "close-enough". Then,
    people with their Hilbert problems and Millenium
    problems and "solve the Riemann problem" make
    for that maybe they want to "un-solve" it first.


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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 05:30:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Sonntag000009, 09.08.2026 um 16:18 schrieb Beau Holmogorov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
    and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
    would you know all that without a reference, idiot


    Actually I'm against vectors and wanted to replace them with
    quaternions.

    my man, quaternions without references, just another thing you dont undrestand. Draw a quaternion on a piece of paper, tell me what you got.
    They also are crashing for tan and cot, making them useless in physics

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    There are lots of books about quaternions.

    E.g. I recall

    https://leanpub.com/doingphysicswithquaternionsv11

    or look at this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 05:40:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Sonntag000009, 09.08.2026 um 19:55 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
    On 08/09/2026 07:18 AM, Beau Holmogorov wrote:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    this stupid half german doesnt even know what a magnitude, direction
    and a vector is, nor what a rate of change in that direction is. How
    would you know all that without a reference, idiot


    Actually I'm against vectors and wanted to replace them with
    quaternions.

    my man, quaternions without references, just another thing you dont
    undrestand. Draw a quaternion on a piece of paper, tell me what you got.
    They also are crashing for tan and cot, making them useless in physics

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    "Triality is quadratic", is what Lounesto used to say,
    and it's about that usual accounts of the "complex" or
    "hypercomplex" analysis are two different things, though
    one imagines that the imaginary terms are not alike,
    that quaternions ijk are not the same as complex i,
    then that as modeling "rotations and reflections" that
    the usual use of the quaternion is more "Cartanian"
    about reflections and rotations, than "deMoivre-Euler-Gaussian",
    the usual accont of complex analysis, which is just a branch,
    and makes for distinctness results, not uniqueness results.


    I was actually playing around with the Dinkin diagram D_4, which is representing 'triality', and tried to connect that with physics.

    look at:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triality

    and this file

    file:///C:/Users/admin/Downloads/3FlavoursNeutrinoOscillationHiggsVEV.pdf

    (and at my 'book':

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
    )

    Th


    The other day I was watching a math stream and the fellow
    was working out deriving Euler's identity. Anyway at
    some point he got to working on establishing the "existence
    and uniqueness of inverse multiplication" or division, in
    complex numbers. So, then working through his example,
    as he put it, "messy elimination" of that the existence
    is easy to figure out yet the uniqueness of quotients
    is an _axiom_ since they are left-complex and right-complex
    quotients, to begin, the usual idea that complex division
    is unique is as closed-minded as that there are no square
    roots of negative numbers, nor even negative numbers,
    nor even numbers.

    So, Euler & Gauss is not the only game in town,
    and Cartan has his own sorts of rules.

    Usual accounts of the "almost" and "very" are
    as much "not-quite" as "close-enough". Then,
    people with their Hilbert problems and Millenium
    problems and "solve the Riemann problem" make
    for that maybe they want to "un-solve" it first.



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  • From Wendel Durmanov@reewn@dwnren.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 09:26:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    my man, quaternions without references, just another thing you dont
    undrestand. Draw a quaternion on a piece of paper, tell me what you
    got.
    They also are crashing for tan and cot, making them useless in physics

    There are lots of books about quaternions.

    E.g. I recall

    https://leanpub.com/doingphysicswithquaternionsv11

    or look at this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

    you dont have to read anything once you know they are crashing, hence
    useless in physics, proven wrong
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  • From Hardy Babansky@bkyn@bkn.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 17:08:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    I was actually playing around with the Dinkin diagram D_4, which is representing 'triality', and tried to connect that with physics.

    look at:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triality

    and this file

    file:///C:/Users/admin/Downloads/3FlavoursNeutrinoOscillationHiggsVEV.pdf

    thanks, you also log in without password, correct?
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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 13:36:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 8/7/2026 11:09 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 20:06 schrieb Lane W:
    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, which >>>>>> had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put
    complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary >>>>> part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can just
    put
    complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are
    there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`

    If your distances are in meters, then

    -a-a 6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are
    working on.

    Spacetime intervals are not measured in meters.

    The meter is a measure of length in what we call 'real space'.

    That measure has no imaginary components (by definition).
    Think of an epsilon we say, for now that's the "smallest" unit, blah
    blah.... the distance between to n-ary points is just a float, double, whatever.... ;^)
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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 15:25:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/10/2026 01:36 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/7/2026 11:09 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 20:06 schrieb Lane W:
    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime,
    which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put >>>>>> complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the imaginary >>>>>> part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can
    just put
    complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are
    there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`

    If your distances are in meters, then

    6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are
    working on.

    Spacetime intervals are not measured in meters.

    The meter is a measure of length in what we call 'real space'.

    That measure has no imaginary components (by definition).
    Think of an epsilon we say, for now that's the "smallest" unit, blah
    blah.... the distance between to n-ary points is just a float, double, whatever.... ;^)

    The non-existence of real mathematical infinitesimals
    is as closed-minded a concept as there not existing
    imaginary nor negative numbers.

    It's not the continuum's fault that it's "perfect".

    Finite-element-analysis attains to real analysis, to be sure.
    "Obtains" is a bit stronger sort of result, where for example
    the big bot-chat the other day arrived at that "non-sofic groups exist"
    putting a hole in all sorts conclusions that the merely rational
    was complete. Of course nobody needs a big bot-chat to figure that out.



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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 20:49:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 8/10/2026 3:25 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 08/10/2026 01:36 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/7/2026 11:09 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 20:06 schrieb Lane W:
    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime,
    which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put >>>>>>> complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the
    imaginary
    part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can
    just put
    complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are
    there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing
    physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference`

    If your distances are in meters, then

    -a-a 6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are
    working on.

    Spacetime intervals are not measured in meters.

    The meter is a measure of length in what we call 'real space'.

    That measure has no imaginary components (by definition).
    Think of an epsilon we say, for now that's the "smallest" unit, blah
    blah.... the distance between to n-ary points is just a float, double,
    whatever.... ;^)

    The non-existence of real mathematical infinitesimals
    is as closed-minded a concept as there not existing
    imaginary nor negative numbers.

    It's not the continuum's fault that it's "perfect".

    The granularity of the continuum... Well, perhaps is infinitesimally
    fine grain? There is no smallest granule? We say this is the smallest. A
    month later, we can see smaller... ;^)



    Finite-element-analysis attains to real analysis, to be sure.
    "Obtains" is a bit stronger sort of result, where for example
    the big bot-chat the other day arrived at that "non-sofic groups exist" putting a hole in all sorts conclusions that the merely rational
    was complete. Of course nobody needs a big bot-chat to figure that out.




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  • From Ross Finlayson@ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Mon Aug 10 22:29:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 08/10/2026 08:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/10/2026 3:25 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 08/10/2026 01:36 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/7/2026 11:09 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 20:06 schrieb Lane W:
    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, >>>>>>>>> which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put >>>>>>>> complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the
    imaginary
    part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can
    just put
    complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are >>>>>>> there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing >>>>>> physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference` >>>>>>
    If your distances are in meters, then

    6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are
    working on.

    Spacetime intervals are not measured in meters.

    The meter is a measure of length in what we call 'real space'.

    That measure has no imaginary components (by definition).
    Think of an epsilon we say, for now that's the "smallest" unit, blah
    blah.... the distance between to n-ary points is just a float, double,
    whatever.... ;^)

    The non-existence of real mathematical infinitesimals
    is as closed-minded a concept as there not existing
    imaginary nor negative numbers.

    It's not the continuum's fault that it's "perfect".

    The granularity of the continuum... Well, perhaps is infinitesimally
    fine grain? There is no smallest granule? We say this is the smallest. A month later, we can see smaller... ;^)



    Finite-element-analysis attains to real analysis, to be sure.
    "Obtains" is a bit stronger sort of result, where for example
    the big bot-chat the other day arrived at that "non-sofic groups exist"
    putting a hole in all sorts conclusions that the merely rational
    was complete. Of course nobody needs a big bot-chat to figure that out.





    Yeah, it's an idea. The infinitely-divisible, or infinitely-divisible,
    this is the usual property given to members of the rational field,
    then the infinitely-divided is with an actual infinity, then the
    resulting iota-values only have addition since they're already infinitely-divided and don't have division or its inverse left in it.

    Mathematics and then physics is mostly terrified of infinity
    and avoids zero too, yet at the same time it's perfectly natural
    in many sorts of accounts. Then though it demands a sort of
    "great atlas of mathematical independence" since otherwise
    they're as "giant monsters of mathematical independence"
    which fight each other and everything around them, that mostly
    mathematics the standard way has a giant shrine to Eudoxus when
    Xenocrates and Democritus also have perfectly usual accounts that
    then make for Newton's fluxions and Leibniz' differential, simply,
    with of course Maclaurin's great account of the formalism of
    mathematical infinitesimal analysis that later Cauchy-Weierstrass
    mostly copy.

    Or, Maclaurin's great account on infinitesimal analysis is
    probably the first modern sort of account that basically
    gives what Cauchy-Weierstrass make of Eudoxus, who basically
    had delta-epsilonics since antiquity.

    Continuous functions are, in a sense, not really continuous
    functions, when their domain and range aren't continuous domains.




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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 13 08:48:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Montag000010, 10.08.2026 um 11:26 schrieb Wendel Durmanov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    my man, quaternions without references, just another thing you dont
    undrestand. Draw a quaternion on a piece of paper, tell me what you
    got.
    They also are crashing for tan and cot, making them useless in physics

    There are lots of books about quaternions.

    E.g. I recall

    https://leanpub.com/doingphysicswithquaternionsv11

    or look at this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

    you dont have to read anything once you know they are crashing, hence
    useless in physics, proven wrong


    There were a lot of famous physicists, who loved quaternions.

    The most famous one was James Clerk Maxwell, who developed his
    electrodynamics with quaternions.

    He had twenty quaternion equation, which were crippled down to four equations, we have today,

    But there were many more..


    TH

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  • From Konrad Martyanov@rt@kytv.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Aug 13 16:37:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you dont have to read anything once you know they are crashing, hence
    useless in physics, proven wrong


    There were a lot of famous physicists, who loved quaternions.

    The most famous one was James Clerk Maxwell, who developed his electrodynamics with quaternions.

    He had twenty quaternion equation, which were crippled down to four equations, we have today,

    those are not complex, and you watch too many movies
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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Fri Aug 14 22:41:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    On 8/10/2026 10:29 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 08/10/2026 08:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/10/2026 3:25 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 08/10/2026 01:36 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 8/7/2026 11:09 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
    Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 20:06 schrieb Lane W:
    Presley Elepov wrote:
    Lane W wrote:

    My best find was:

    "Bi-quaternion fields as physical foundation of a spacetime, >>>>>>>>>> which had
    an internal structure"

    sorry, my bad, i can see now you are an idiot. You cannot just put >>>>>>>>> complex numbers in nature where none exists. In Nature, the
    imaginary
    part is there where it exists, as measurable quantity.

    Imaginary numbers are all over the place. So sometimes you "can >>>>>>>> just put
    complex numbers" if you happen to align them on the ones that are >>>>>>>> there.

    who the fuck is talking about numbers, imbecile; we are about doing >>>>>>> physics here; are you so fucking stoopid not seeing the difference` >>>>>>>
    If your distances are in meters, then

    -a-a 6 + 8 i meters is read as "six and eight i meters."

    I don't understand your reluctance. Show me the problem you are
    working on.

    Spacetime intervals are not measured in meters.

    The meter is a measure of length in what we call 'real space'.

    That measure has no imaginary components (by definition).
    Think of an epsilon we say, for now that's the "smallest" unit, blah
    blah.... the distance between to n-ary points is just a float, double, >>>> whatever.... ;^)

    The non-existence of real mathematical infinitesimals
    is as closed-minded a concept as there not existing
    imaginary nor negative numbers.

    It's not the continuum's fault that it's "perfect".

    The granularity of the continuum... Well, perhaps is infinitesimally
    fine grain? There is no smallest granule? We say this is the smallest. A
    month later, we can see smaller... ;^)



    Finite-element-analysis attains to real analysis, to be sure.
    "Obtains" is a bit stronger sort of result, where for example
    the big bot-chat the other day arrived at that "non-sofic groups exist"
    putting a hole in all sorts conclusions that the merely rational
    was complete. Of course nobody needs a big bot-chat to figure that out.





    Yeah, it's an idea. The infinitely-divisible, or infinitely-divisible,
    this is the usual property given to members of the rational field,
    then the infinitely-divided is with an actual infinity, then the
    resulting iota-values only have addition since they're already infinitely-divided and don't have division or its inverse left in it.

    Mathematics and then physics is mostly terrified of infinity
    and avoids zero too, yet at the same time it's perfectly natural
    in many sorts of accounts. Then though it demands a sort of
    "great atlas of mathematical independence" since otherwise
    they're as "giant monsters of mathematical independence"
    which fight each other and everything around them, that mostly
    mathematics the standard way has a giant shrine to Eudoxus when
    Xenocrates and Democritus also have perfectly usual accounts that
    then make for Newton's fluxions and Leibniz' differential, simply,
    with of course Maclaurin's great account of the formalism of
    mathematical infinitesimal analysis that later Cauchy-Weierstrass
    mostly copy.

    Or, Maclaurin's great account on infinitesimal analysis is
    probably the first modern sort of account that basically
    gives what Cauchy-Weierstrass make of Eudoxus, who basically
    had delta-epsilonics since antiquity.

    Continuous functions are, in a sense, not really continuous
    functions, when their domain and range aren't continuous domains.

    We have some trouble being finite beings. However, we can ponder on the infinite.

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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 15 10:34:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Donnerstag000013, 13.08.2026 um 18:37 schrieb Konrad Martyanov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    you dont have to read anything once you know they are crashing, hence
    useless in physics, proven wrong


    There were a lot of famous physicists, who loved quaternions.

    The most famous one was James Clerk Maxwell, who developed his
    electrodynamics with quaternions.

    He had twenty quaternion equation, which were crippled down to four
    equations, we have today,

    those are not complex, and you watch too many movies

    Sure, because there exist a number of different types of quaternions and Maxwell's were usual quaternions.

    I wanted to introduce so called 'complex four-vectors' (aka
    'bi-quaternions').

    TH
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  • From Minh Holstov@oihi@mnsn.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sat Aug 15 13:39:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    He had twenty quaternion equation, which were crippled down to four
    equations, we have today,

    those are not complex, and you watch too many movies

    Sure, because there exist a number of different types of quaternions and Maxwell's were usual quaternions.

    I wanted to introduce so called 'complex four-vectors' (aka 'bi-quaternions').

    then you both dont undrestand those equations, imaginary in math and
    physics, nor what a quaternion is. Try tensors. Much easier. Gay maxwell
    stole those equations from Faraday, then he supposed vortex hexagons
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  • From Thomas Heger@ttt_heg@web.de to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 16 08:38:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Am Samstag000015, 15.08.2026 um 15:39 schrieb Minh Holstov:
    Thomas Heger wrote:

    He had twenty quaternion equation, which were crippled down to four
    equations, we have today,

    those are not complex, and you watch too many movies

    Sure, because there exist a number of different types of quaternions and
    Maxwell's were usual quaternions.

    I wanted to introduce so called 'complex four-vectors' (aka
    'bi-quaternions').

    then you both dont undrestand those equations, imaginary in math and
    physics, nor what a quaternion is. Try tensors. Much easier. Gay maxwell stole those equations from Faraday, then he supposed vortex hexagons

    ???

    I assume a certain structure of spacetime and try to derive particles
    from that structure.

    I called this idea 'structured spacetime' (for obvious reasons) and
    assumed, that nature would behave this way.


    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

    This has nothing at all to do with Maxwell and where he got his ideas from.

    TH
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  • From Evin Bakalov@lbak@baa.ru to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Sun Aug 16 21:30:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics.relativity

    Thomas Heger wrote:

    Sure, because there exist a number of different types of quaternions
    and Maxwell's were usual quaternions.

    I wanted to introduce so called 'complex four-vectors' (aka
    'bi-quaternions').

    then you both dont undrestand those equations, imaginary in math and
    physics, nor what a quaternion is. Try tensors. Much easier. Gay
    maxwell stole those equations from Faraday, then he supposed vortex
    hexagons

    ???

    I assume a certain structure of spacetime and try to derive particles
    from that structure.

    I called this idea 'structured spacetime' (for obvious reasons) and
    assumed, that nature would behave this way.


    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/
    1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

    This has nothing at all to do with Maxwell and where he got his ideas
    from.

    nevermind, you already proved you dont undrestand maxwell, calling him imaginary. Also, geormony are slaves trying to speak english for whatever obscure reason

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