So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis, measuring time.
So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
Hi,
Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
reached a significant milestone this summer.
The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
to measure time, so forget Colorado.
Bye
Ross Finlayson schrieb:
So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
measuring time.
So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
Hi,
Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
reached a significant milestone this summer.
The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
to measure time, so forget Colorado.
Bye
Ross Finlayson schrieb:
So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
measuring time.
So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
"Hyper [....]"-a Hyper-active.
Tweakers aren't reliable.
On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
Hi,
Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
reached a significant milestone this summer.
The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
to measure time, so forget Colorado.
Bye
Ross Finlayson schrieb:
So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
measuring time.
So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
"Hyper [....]"-a Hyper-active.
Tweakers aren't reliable.
Hi,
The nature of time has puzzled people -- from the ancient
Greeks to the present day -- Especially the nosomatic
perception of time is a hot topic now.
How does time evolve inside a GPU with multiple units
or a CPU with multiple cores. GPUs even having multiple
logical threads inside a group.
Forget the von Neumann model of computing. You need
a total new thinking of shared memory and more
message passing, and have a grip of vector and
matrix tiling of problems. -C-WAM already deploys
logic tiling in its Seven Eleven demonstrator. So forget
everything you have learned in your BASIC computer
course for your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088.
Bye
Hi,
Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
reached a significant milestone this summer.
The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
to measure time, so forget Colorado.
Bye
Ross Finlayson schrieb:
So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
measuring time.
So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
Hi,
Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
reached a significant milestone this summer.
The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
to measure time, so forget Colorado.
Bye
Ross Finlayson schrieb:
So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of
time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory
in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
measuring time.
So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
Well, like Einstein says, relativity is defined
by at least two different clocks -
might as well be three.
That's a good quote, I quote me on that.
Hi,
You refuse to undertand the NVIDIA Volta
archecture. You claim to like in the
sense of "That's a good quote" some
completely made up nonsense? Bravo! I just
copied a nasa article title, which had nothing
to do with "time" per se:
CLARREO Pathfinder
https://science.nasa.gov/mission/clarreo-pathfinder/
Its more a very big vacuum cleaner, that can
scan highly accurate measurements of sunlight
reflected by the Earth and the Moon.
You are just a moron, that still feels harware
evelution a treat, but would like to see data
from a Einstein pathfinder. As if this
is not the ultimate tech cult?
As always you suck, like nobody else ever
sucked on the usenet. You are just completely
bonkers, the bigger crank than Archimedes
Plutonion and John Gabriel.
Bye
Ross Finlayson schrieb:
On 07/27/2026 01:41 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
Hi,
Hyperspectral measurements for inter-calibration,
reached a significant milestone this summer.
The naval observatory only uses fidget spinners
to measure time, so forget Colorado.
Bye
Ross Finlayson schrieb:
So, there's at least three accounts of what can define "measurement of >>>> time", in the micro, meso, and macro.
Then these days pretty much the world relies on "the naval observatory >>>> in Colorado" if not so much "the clock tower in Greenwich", as with
regards to ye olde UTC, CUT, "Zulu", and so on, time.
About relativity theory and "measuring rods and clocks", then, it's
similar that "metric and norm" for "length and distance" also has
about the Planckian what are "iota-values" as it would be, or, "Pauli
Plancks", or "Dirac's Pauli Plancks", of measuring space, vis-a-vis,
measuring time.
So, there are at least three accounts of what defines measuring time,
and at least three accounts of what defines measuring space.
Then, since relativity theory is defined by what does that,
it has the various ways, to so fulfill doing that.
Yeah, I know, most "professional physicists" only have one of those
on their little note-card with which they passed graduate school.
Well, like Einstein says, relativity is defined
by at least two different clocks -
might as well be three.
That's a good quote, I quote me on that.
Him--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
BTW, NVIDIA hat a GPU card named Einstein and
an Einstein project. I guess these earth
and star gazers would like to number crunch
images with Q8.24 RGB values. Now Einstain
name was adopted for another GPU Project:
We had a number of tutorials on CarpetX
and science codes based on CarpetX, the new,
GPU-enabled version of the Einstein Toolkit.
https://einsteintoolkit.org/
The results show excellent agreement with
the well-established LazEv code. Scaling
tests on CPU (Frontera) and GPU (Vista)
clusters reveal significant performance
gains, with the new implementation achieving
improved speed and scalability compared
to the Carpet-based version.
GPU-accelerated Subcycling Time
Integration with the Einstein Toolkit
https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.09629
GPUs were traditionally used by earth and
star gazers early on, because they can
speed up the scanning of large areas,
also in 4 dimensions, i.e. space and time.
Have Fun!
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
You refuse to undertand the NVIDIA Volta
archecture. You claim to like in the
sense of "That's a good quote" some
completely made up nonsense? Bravo! I just
copied a nasa article title, which had nothing
to do with "time" per se:
CLARREO Pathfinder
https://science.nasa.gov/mission/clarreo-pathfinder/
Its more a very big vacuum cleaner, that can
scan highly accurate measurements of sunlight
reflected by the Earth and the Moon.
You are just a moron, that still feels harware
evelution a treat, but would like to see data
from a Einstein pathfinder. As if this
is not the ultimate tech cult?
As always you suck, like nobody else ever
sucked on the usenet. You are just completely
bonkers, the bigger crank than Archimedes
Plutonion and John Gabriel.
Bye
Hi,
A nosomatic AI chirurgeon is a halfling student
of sickness, and a master of the ebb and flow of
the energies of life and death of data packets.
He is a air bender, water bender and earth bender
in one person, using OpenVINO to juggle with
CPU, GPU and NPU.
Last but not least he can freely switch between
symbolic and neural representation of knowledge
forms, there is no abyss for him.
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
The nature of time has puzzled people -- from the ancient
Greeks to the present day -- Especially the nosomatic
perception of time is a hot topic now.
How does time evolve inside a GPU with multiple units
or a CPU with multiple cores. GPUs even having multiple
logical threads inside a group.
Forget the von Neumann model of computing. You need
a total new thinking of shared memory and more
message passing, and have a grip of vector and
matrix tiling of problems. -C-WAM already deploys
logic tiling in its Seven Eleven demonstrator. So forget
everything you have learned in your BASIC computer
course for your Sputnik Commodore C64 with 8088.
Bye
Now that the debate with Chris M. Thomasson has culminated in questions
of elasticity, I suggest this homework:
- Game Engine in WebGPU
It will support the life cycle of sprites,
like sprites comming out of nowhere,
and being destroyed by arms,
just like in Space invader.
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
that has different
* sizeof ( void * ), and
* sizeof ( void (*)( void ) ),
On 03/08/2026 6:28 PM, David Brown wrote:pointers. But there are exceptions, with some small microcontrollers and
On 03/08/2026 11:41, Richard Harnden wrote:
On 03/08/2026 09:16, David Brown wrote:
On most targets, function pointers are the same size as void*
function pointers was more appropriate than using a function pointer
typedef void (*FVoid)(void);
dlsym requires that pointer-to-function is compatible with a void*
As I say, I have yet to see a situation where using void* for
Nope, you're wrong. You're dead wrong. The world isn't built on C,
even though here in comp.lang.c we like to pretend it is.
Several language environments allow function generation on the fly,
these functions need to be garbage collected. Common Lisp is an
example, therefore comp.lang.lisp is added to this discussion.
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
You will have to go out of your way to make a computer architecture incompatible with garbage collected and heap allocated binary code, something I've been told SBCL does internally [1] to create an archi- tecture that has different
* sizeof ( void * ), and
* sizeof ( void (*)( void ) ),
and when you do that, I'll just claim you're making a /malicious
computer architecture/ and refuse to use it.
[1] I've not looked at the code, but told the garbage collector can--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
and will at least move the code around, if not collect it.
Hi,
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
that has different
*-a sizeof ( void * ), and
*-a sizeof ( void (*)( void ) ),
Could indicate a data RAM and code ROM model.
Which has then the advantage of:
Modern operating systems like Windows 11
enforce strict Data Execution Prevention (DEP)
(or NX/XD bit security features) to prevent
malicious programs from injecting and executing
code inside data-only memory regions. https://root-nation.com/en/soft-en/lifehacks/en-dep-windows-all-about/
I adopted data RAM and code ROM model for
pi-WAM from Hack, which has the same separation:
Slide 58, Hack Computer https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z_fxYmmRNXTkAzmZ6YMoX9NXZIRVCKiw/view
But my motivation was not Johnny Depp prevention.
Rather the caching of GPUs. Because WGSL
allows storage annotations read_write and
read. I use read_write for the data RAM
of my Hack VM variant, and read for the
code ROM of my Hack VM variant. You can
see that here, its open source:
@group(0) @binding(0) var<storage, read> code: array<i32>;
@group(0) @binding(1) var<storage, read_write> state: array<i32>;
11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
Hope this Helps!
Bye
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson schrieb:
On 03/08/2026 6:28 PM, David Brown wrote:on the memory space involved.-a I have yet to see a situation where there was any reason for storing a function address in a "void*" rather than a more appropriate typedef, such as :
On 03/08/2026 11:41, Richard Harnden wrote:
On 03/08/2026 09:16, David Brown wrote:
On most targets, function pointers are the same size as void* pointers. But there are exceptions, with some small microcontrollers and DSPs having different kinds of pointers with different sizes, depending
function pointers was more appropriate than using a function pointer
-a-a-a-a-a typedef void (*FVoid)(void);
dlsym requires that pointer-to-function is compatible with a void*
As I say, I have yet to see a situation where using void* for
type.-a If the OS system calls or standard OS libraries makes it a requirement that function pointers are converted to or from void* for
some calls, then of course you need to follow those requirements - it's
the people who designed the interfaces that made questionable design choices.
Nope, you're wrong.-a You're dead wrong.-a The world isn't built on C, even though here in comp.lang.c we like to pretend it is.
Several language environments allow function generation on the fly,
these functions need to be garbage collected.-a Common Lisp is an
example, therefore comp.lang.lisp is added to this discussion.
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
You will have to go out of your way to make a computer architecture incompatible with garbage collected and heap allocated binary code, something I've been told SBCL does internally [1] to create an archi- tecture that has different
*-a sizeof ( void * ), and
*-a sizeof ( void (*)( void ) ),
and when you do that, I'll just claim you're making a /malicious
computer architecture/ and refuse to use it.
[1] I've not looked at the code, but told the garbage collector can
and will at least move the code around, if not collect it.
Hi,
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
that has different
*-a sizeof ( void * ), and
*-a sizeof ( void (*)( void ) ),
Could indicate a data RAM and code ROM model.
Which has then the advantage of:
Modern operating systems like Windows 11
enforce strict Data Execution Prevention (DEP)
(or NX/XD bit security features) to prevent
malicious programs from injecting and executing
code inside data-only memory regions. https://root-nation.com/en/soft-en/lifehacks/en-dep-windows-all-about/
I adopted data RAM and code ROM model for
pi-WAM from Hack, which has the same separation:
Slide 58, Hack Computer https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z_fxYmmRNXTkAzmZ6YMoX9NXZIRVCKiw/view
But my motivation was not Johnny Depp prevention.
Rather the caching of GPUs. Because WGSL
allows storage annotations read_write and
read. I use read_write for the data RAM
of my Hack VM variant, and read for the
code ROM of my Hack VM variant. You can
see that here, its open source:
@group(0) @binding(0) var<storage, read> code: array<i32>;
@group(0) @binding(1) var<storage, read_write> state: array<i32>;
11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
that has different * sizeof ( void * ), and * sizeof ( void (*)(
void ) ),
Could indicate a data RAM and code ROM model.
Which has then the advantage of:
Modern operating systems like Windows 11
Hi,
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
that has different
*-a sizeof ( void * ), and
*-a sizeof ( void (*)( void ) ),
Could indicate a data RAM and code ROM model.
Which has then the advantage of:
Modern operating systems like Windows 11
enforce strict Data Execution Prevention (DEP)
(or NX/XD bit security features) to prevent
malicious programs from injecting and executing
code inside data-only memory regions. https://root-nation.com/en/soft-en/lifehacks/en-dep-windows-all-about/
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 18:18 schrieb Mild Shock:
Hi,
I've also added comp.theory so Mild Shock can comment.
that has different
*-a sizeof ( void * ), and
*-a sizeof ( void (*)( void ) ),
Could indicate a data RAM and code ROM model.
Which has then the advantage of:
Modern operating systems like Windows 11
enforce strict Data Execution Prevention (DEP)
(or NX/XD bit security features) to prevent
malicious programs from injecting and executing
code inside data-only memory regions.
https://root-nation.com/en/soft-en/lifehacks/en-dep-windows-all-about/
That's imho not that 'modern', because already in the eighties Unix
systems had 'Execution prevention' (of data), simply by putting
programms in one part of the memory and data into a different one.
Data could not be executed, because the flag 'executable' was not set
for their memory.
It was actually a 'bug', that earlier versions of current systems
allowed execution of data.
...
TH
How do you break out of a loop,
Hi,
pi-WAM is compiled to Hack VM. You
can realize goto's wherever you want. The
Hack VM I am using is a variant of:
The Elements of Computing Systems
Nisan, N. and Schocken, S. - June 15, 2021, MIT Press https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262539807/the-elements-of-computing-systems/
I just combine the 16-bit A and D instructions
into single 32-bit instructions. You
find a Hack VM interpreter for WebGPU here:
11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
Hava Fun!
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
Using Java sometimes doesn't make me a Java
evangelist. I wouldn't care less about any
programming language, because the idea of
pi-WAM draws from pi-calculus and WAM. But
since we are in 2026, not many people
might remember pi-calculus:
Functions as Processes
Robin Milner - June 1989
https://hal.science/docs/00/07/54/05/PDF/RR-1154.pdf
AI chat bots know pi-calculus from time to
time, while interacting, they spit out
pi-calculus. I have always to tame them,
and let them cool down, since well, the
pi-calculus doesn't happen directly in the
pi-WAM. Rather in the FFI, which has create
operations on threads and queue, frankly my
pi-WAM is an extremly crippled, has only
a few primitives from pi-calculus.
BYe
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson schrieb:
On 29/07/2026 11:25 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 07/29/2026 08:11 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
Then, of course, the idea that it naturally employs or "saturates"
the processor resources while doing work, in the low-level, yet
also has a direct interpretation in higher-level languages, even
"higher-level languages without GOTO", has also that it's faster
in both machine-organized, compiled, and interpreted environments.
Didn't you say in some other post you've done Java professionally?
How do you break out of a loop, from within a switch () statement
in Java? I gather that's simply impossible, because "goto" isn't
implemented, and the "break" statement doesn't see labels outside
the switch ()?
Not sure how well that fits within comp.theory, as I haven't sub-
scribed yet, but perhaps Mild Shock is willing to comment on that
glaring deficiency in the Java programming language?
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