On 7/20/2026 7:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference
of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and
a time.
-a The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a
time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
For an ape they don't. For a human they do.
Thomas Heger wrote:
In physics there is nobody interested in the reality.I'm actually not quite sure what an 'event stamp' could possibly be.
Usually points in space do not carry clocks or labels.
imbecile, you are making points in space outside the spacetime. Neither
this cretin doesnt undrestand what spacetime is. Let me guess, you too are half german, historically
Den 20.07.2026 07:37, skrev Thomas Heger:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and
a time.
-a The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a
time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Does the following make sense to you?
I was at the point in space and time (event):
Position: Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, Altitude 20.5 m Time:-a-a-a-a July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
Is this point in spacetime undefined because
-a"spacetime is 'coordinates free'"?
Am Montag000020, 20.07.2026 um 08:28 schrieb Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/20/2026 7:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference >>>>> of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and
a time.
-a The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on
a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points
do not carry labels or calendars.
For an ape they don't. For a human they do.
Has anybody ever found 'labels' at locations in outer space, which
state, where you actually are?
Actually: no, since no such thing exists.
Instead, you need reference points, if you want to measure or define distances.
Same with time:
time is always (and always was of or will be) 'relative'.
On 7/20/2026 1:13 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Does the following make sense to you?
I was at the point in space and time (event):
Position: Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, Altitude 20.5 m
Time:-a-a-a-a July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
Is this point in spacetime undefined because
-a-a"spacetime is 'coordinates free'"?
Do you understand, BTW, that it is geocentric?
Or are you too stupid even for that?
Am Montag000020, 20.07.2026 um 13:13 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
Our common '3-space' is a 'sub-space of spacetime.
Does the following make sense to you?
I was at the point in space and time (event):
Position: Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, Altitude 20.5 m
Time:-a-a-a-a July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
Is this point in spacetime undefined because
-a-a"spacetime is 'coordinates free'"?
Spacetime is coordinates free, but on the surface of our home planet we
have coordinates (based on our home planet).
The usual notation of spacetime as 'four dimensional' space is imho nonsense, since in my oppinion time is an imaginary axis and you need 8 components to describe spacetime by means of so called 'bi-quaternions'.
Den 20.07.2026 17:21, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/20/2026 1:13 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Does the following make sense to you?
I was at the point in space and time (event):
Position: Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, Altitude 20.5 m
Time:-a-a-a-a July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
Is this point in spacetime undefined because
-a-a"spacetime is 'coordinates free'"?
Do you understand, BTW, that it is geocentric?
Or are you too stupid even for that?
What does it mean that the point in my office
at the time July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
is geocentric?
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the >> past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
Den 22.07.2026 08:41, skrev Thomas Heger:
Am Montag000020, 20.07.2026 um 13:13 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
Our common '3-space' is a 'sub-space of spacetime.
Does the following make sense to you?
I was at the point in space and time (event):
Position: Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, Altitude 20.5 m
Time:- - - - July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
Is this point in spacetime undefined because
- - "spacetime is 'coordinates free'"?
Spacetime is coordinates free, but on the surface of our home planet we have coordinates (based on our home planet).
The usual notation of spacetime as 'four dimensional' space is imho nonsense, since in my oppinion time is an imaginary axis and you need 8 components to describe spacetime by means of so called 'bi-quaternions'.
You didn't answer the question:
Does it make sense to you that I was in my office
at the time July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC ?
That means that I was at a specific point in time and space.
What is your problem with that?
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference
of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
In physics there is nobody interested in the reality.
I'm actually not quite sure what an 'event stamp' could possibly be.
Usually points in space do not carry clocks or labels.
TH
an "event stamp" is not measured with clocks...
if one wants to know which horse won...'by a nose', you
take a picture of it.
A photo finish.
The whole entire universe is measured frame by frame.
So in one frame, you have two noses that seem equal, but the finish line
is in a different frame of time.
One nose is a little ahead of the other nose at the frame of reference, relative to the finish line.
On 7/22/2026 8:28 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000020, 20.07.2026 um 08:28 schrieb Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/20/2026 7:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable
reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space
and a time.
-a The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on >>>>> a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. >>>>>
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points
do not carry labels or calendars.
For an ape they don't. For a human they do.
Has anybody ever found 'labels' at locations in outer space, which
state, where you actually are?
Actually: no, since no such thing exists.
Instead, you need reference points, if you want to measure or define
distances.
Same with time:
time is always (and always was of or will be) 'relative'.
Union of Lublin: 1569-07-01
Battle of Lepanto: 1571-10-07
The Boston tea party: 1773-12-16
and so on.
Sorry, dealing with your moronic physics has
completely ruined your contact with the reality.
Am Mittwoch000022, 22.07.2026 um 09:41 schrieb Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/22/2026 8:28 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000020, 20.07.2026 um 08:28 schrieb Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/20/2026 7:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable
reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space
and a time.
-a The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based >>>>>> on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. >>>>>>
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points >>>>> do not carry labels or calendars.
For an ape they don't. For a human they do.
Has anybody ever found 'labels' at locations in outer space, which
state, where you actually are?
Actually: no, since no such thing exists.
Instead, you need reference points, if you want to measure or define
distances.
Same with time:
time is always (and always was of or will be) 'relative'.
Union of Lublin: 1569-07-01
Battle of Lepanto: 1571-10-07
The Boston tea party: 1773-12-16
and so on.
You name some events and their usual dates.
Ok, so far so good.
But these dates are by no means universal, because they are all 'Earth > based'.
Sorry, dealing with your moronic physics has
completely ruined your contact with the reality.
I would express the same idea with slightly different words:
your moronic reality has completely ruined your contact with physics
On 7/22/2026 8:44 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 20.07.2026 17:21, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/20/2026 1:13 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Does the following make sense to you?
I was at the point in space and time (event):
Position: Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, Altitude 20.5 m >>>> Time:-a-a-a-a July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
Do you understand, BTW, that it is geocentric?
Or are you too stupid even for that?
What does it mean that the point in my office
at the time July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
is geocentric?
That it is geocentric, poor trash.
Den 22.07.2026 22:14, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/22/2026 8:44 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:An event (point in time and space)
Den 20.07.2026 17:21, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/20/2026 1:13 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Does the following make sense to you?
I was at the point in space and time (event):
Position: Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, Altitude 20.5 m >>>>> Time:-a-a-a-a July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
Do you understand, BTW, that it is geocentric?
Or are you too stupid even for that?
What does it mean that the point in my office
at the time July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
is geocentric?
That it is geocentric, poor trash.
An event (point in time and space) does not depend on the arbitrary
choice of coordinate system in which it is defined. I chose to use a geocentric coordinate system, but I might equally well have chosen to
use a heliocentric coordinate system,
or a local coordinate system with my desk as origin.
The event is unique, and it is meaningless to call it geocentric', 'heliocentric' or 'desk-centric'.
Paul B. Andersen wrote:
An event (point in time and space) does not depend on the arbitrary
choice of coordinate system in which it is defined. I chose to use a
geocentric coordinate system, but I might equally well have chosen to
use a heliocentric coordinate system,
or a local coordinate system with my desk as origin.
The event is unique, and it is meaningless to call it geocentric',
'heliocentric' or 'desk-centric'.
yes, but it supposes you have another event as reference, both in time and space, otherwise there are no events
On 23/07/2026 14:54, Barton Valetov wrote:
Paul B. Andersen wrote:
An event (point in time and space) does not depend on the arbitrary
choice of coordinate system in which it is defined. I chose to use a
geocentric coordinate system, but I might equally well have chosen to
use a heliocentric coordinate system,
or a local coordinate system with my desk as origin.
The event is unique, and it is meaningless to call it geocentric',
'heliocentric' or 'desk-centric'.
yes, but it supposes you have another event as reference, both in time
and
space, otherwise there are no events
Or, said more technically, position is a torsor,
and needs a coordinate system to become a number:
only distance is independent of coordinates.
Julio
Am Montag000020, 20.07.2026 um 19:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
>> This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference >>>>> of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
In physics there is nobody interested in the reality.
I'm actually not quite sure what an 'event stamp' could possibly be.
Usually points in space do not carry clocks or labels.
TH
an "event stamp" is not measured with clocks...
if one wants to know which horse won...'by a nose', you
take a picture of it.
A photo finish.
The whole entire universe is measured frame by frame.
This is simply not true!
There ain't no way to make photos of the 'entire universe', because the universe is REALLY vast.
What we see and actually call 'universe' isn't universal at all, but is physically our own past light-cone.
This past-light-cone is actually depending upon our own position and
ain't universal at all.
To estimate the topology of the entire universe is actually difficult
and hardly anybody does that correctly.
My own way goes like this:
I take a usual spacetime diagramm as a certain form of an
Argand-diagram, hence regard the axis of time as local and imaginary.
This axis of time is 'vertical' to the usual spacelike direction (of the observer in question). (This is what the multiplication with i provides.)
Now to any observer belongs an axis of time and a perpendicular
hyperplane of the present.
Now these hyperplanes can have any directions possible and therefore
also local times, which are at an angle towards each other or possibly
also pointing in opposite directions.
So: in the 'real universe' the axis of time is NOT universal. Also the
local direction of time is NOT universal.
In contrast we have to considere, that timelines exist, which point into opposite directions.
This topology requires so called 'complex four vectors' (aka 'bi-quaternions').
Since harly anybody uses these constructs, hardly anybody understands
the universe.
So in one frame, you have two noses that seem equal, but the finish line
is in a different frame of time.
One nose is a little ahead of the other nose at the frame of reference, relative to the finish line.
The 'universes at an angle' are usually not visible.
You can't see or measure them, even if they are there.
TH
The whole entire universe is measured frame by frame.
Your problem is you are looking at the universe 'within' the frame.
The next frame is...blank.
Thomas Heger wrote:
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
The Starmaker wrote:
The whole entire universe is measured frame by frame.
Your problem is you are looking at the universe 'within' the frame.
The next frame is...blank.
here's a sample
BREAKING!!!! JUST NOW!!!!.The price of oil has surpassed over $100 dollars per barrel. What does this mean for US imperialists, itrCOs lackeys in the Middle East and for nations like Russia? For US imperialists, it will mean
a much weaker dollar, as dollar is pegged to oil prices, for the Anglo Zionist lackeys such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or UAE it will mean that as
the heroic Houthies have declared a blockade of Saudi ports, they will
have big problems exporting their oil, raising even more the global price.
On 7/23/2026 1:56 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 22.07.2026 22:14, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/22/2026 8:44 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
What does it mean that the point in my office
at the time July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
is geocentric?
That it is geocentric, poor trash.
An event (point in time and space) does not depend
on the arbitrary choice of coordinate system in
which it is defined. I chose to use a geocentric
coordinate system, but I might equally well have
chosen to use a heliocentric coordinate system,
or a local coordinate system with my desk as origin.
The event is unique, and it is meaningless to call
it geocentric', 'heliocentric' or 'desk-centric'.
An event is an event, a point is a point.
Do you think mixing these [similar] terms makes
you looking smarter?
And "Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, AltitudeRight, I told you so.
20.5 m" - are geocentric. Definitely.
Den 23.07.2026 14:45, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/23/2026 1:56 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 22.07.2026 22:14, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
On 7/22/2026 8:44 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
What does it mean that the point in my office
at the time July 20, 2026 11:01.21 UTC
is geocentric?
That it is geocentric, poor trash.
An event (point in time and space) does not depend
on the arbitrary choice of coordinate system in
which it is defined. I chose to use a geocentric
coordinate system, but I might equally well have
chosen to use a heliocentric coordinate system,
or a local coordinate system with my desk as origin.
The event is unique, and it is meaningless to call
it geocentric', 'heliocentric' or 'desk-centric'.
An event is an event, a point is a point.
Do you think mixing these [similar] terms makes
you looking smarter?
Do you think that demonstrating that you don't know what
an event is in physics make you look smart?
And "Latitude 58.328555-#N, Longitude 8.567684-#E, AltitudeRight, I told you so.
20.5 m" - are geocentric. Definitely.
Case closed.
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The clock doesn't change for Now, ...it's always Now..
everywhere.
no clock needed for Now.
For Einstein, the definition of the word Here is...Local.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a+ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. >>>>>>>>
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do >>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some >>>>>>> time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be >>>>>>> somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a+ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. >>>>>>>>
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some >>>>>>> time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be >>>>>>> somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel.
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad +Ulusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo+|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need >>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |arCa|a-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|arCa|e-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. >>>>>>>>
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. >>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along >>>>> our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang. >>>>>
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is >>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, >>>>> that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It >>>> was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory >>> is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, >because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, >because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of >black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need >>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|ore4-a|arCa|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|ore4-a|arCU|e-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. >>>>>>>>>
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. >>>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along >>>>>> our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is >>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, >>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, >>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It >>>>> was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory >>>> is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but >>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years >>>> (what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks >>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
And you keep bringing up 'distant'...
it is not a question of what ISN'T there anymore...
but what is there...NOW...in the distant.
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need >>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|ore4-a|arCa|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|ore4-a|arCU|e-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. >>>>>>>>>
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. >>>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is >>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, >>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, >>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It >>>>> was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory >>>> is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call >>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire >>>> picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but >>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like >>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the >>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years >>>> (what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks >>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from >>> Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible. >>
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of >> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
TH
..
And you keep bringing up 'distant'...
it is not a question of what ISN'T there anymore...
but what is there...NOW...in the distant.
--and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|ore4-a|arCa|e-ilusarski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wo|a|A|ore4-a|arCU|e-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need >>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, >>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, >>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call >>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire >>>> picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like >>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime >>> scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the >>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 >>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years >>>> (what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps >>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from >>> Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars >> and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, >> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, >> because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible. >>
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist >> at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of >> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
..
And you keep bringing up 'distant'...
it is not a question of what ISN'T there anymore...
but what is there...NOW...in the distant.
--and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need >>>>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4-a|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. >>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. >>>>>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is >>>>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, >>>>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, >>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It >>>>>>> was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory >>>>>> is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call >>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire >>>>>> picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but >>>>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like >>>>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime >>>>> scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the >>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 >>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years >>>>>> (what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps >>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks >>>>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from >>>>> Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars >>>> and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, >>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, >>>> because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible. >>>>
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist >>>> at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of >>>> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves. >>
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4-a|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need >>>>>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is >>>>>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! >>>>>>>>>
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show, >>>>>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, >>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. >>>>>>>>
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It >>>>>>>> was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word >>>>>> "created" either.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like >>>>>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime >>>>>> scene'
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call >>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire >>>>>>> picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but >>>>>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. >>>>>>
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the >>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 >>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years >>>>>>> (what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps >>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks >>>>>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from >>>>>> Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars >>>>> and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, >>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, >>>>> because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible. >>>>>
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist >>>>> at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of >>>>> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions >>>>> cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves. >>>
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very >>> narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
Of course, they say air is invisible...most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
is water invisible to a fish?
Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4-a|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else.
In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel.
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! >>>>>>>>>
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, >>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. >>>>>>>>
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word >>>>>> "created" either.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call >>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire >>>>>>> picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. >>>>>>
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime >>>>>> scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the >>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 >>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps >>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from >>>>>> Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars >>>>> and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, >>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, >>>>> because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist >>>>> at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions >>>>> cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very >>> narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet >>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes >>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they >>> exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
Of course, they say air is invisible...
is water invisible to a fish?most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
...
TH
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|arCa|ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|arCa|ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel.
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! >>>>>>>>>>>
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders, >>>>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. >>>>>>>>>>
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word >>>>>>>> "created" either.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call >>>>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire >>>>>>>>> picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. >>>>>>>>
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime >>>>>>>> scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the >>>>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 >>>>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps >>>>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from >>>>>>>> Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars >>>>>>> and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be, >>>>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy, >>>>>>> because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist >>>>>>> at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions >>>>>>> cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very >>>>> narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet >>>>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes >>>>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they >>>>> exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
Of course, they say air is invisible...
is water invisible to a fish?
...
TH
Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
From space it is a Blue Dot.
You can look up and it's blue.
You're walking on air...
Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air.
Get off my blue dot.
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>>>>> wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|e-a|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel.
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! >>>>>>>>>>>
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. >>>>>>>>>>
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word >>>>>>>> "created" either.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. >>>>>>>>
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 >>>>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps >>>>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions >>>>>>> cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is >>>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call >>>>> something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet >>>>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes >>>>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they >>>>> exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
Of course, they say air is invisible...
is water invisible to a fish?
...
TH
Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
From space it is a Blue Dot.
You can look up and it's blue.
You're walking on air...
Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air.
Get off my blue dot.
Sure, but the question was slightly different:
"is water invisible to a fish?"
And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would
see water as blue.
To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the
water out.
TH
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:Sure, but the question was slightly different:
Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|arCa|ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arCa|ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|arCa|ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arCa|ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCa|e-i|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here.
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word >>>>>>>>>> "created" either.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. >>>>>>>>>>
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1 >>>>>>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps >>>>>>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions >>>>>>>>> cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is >>>>>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call >>>>>>> something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet >>>>>>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes >>>>>>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they >>>>>>> exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance. >>>>>>>
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
Of course, they say air is invisible...
is water invisible to a fish?
...
TH
Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
From space it is a Blue Dot.
You can look up and it's blue.
You're walking on air...
Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air. >>>
Get off my blue dot.
"is water invisible to a fish?"
And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would
see water as blue.
To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the
water out.
TH
I didn't say the ocean where fish live is blue...
I wrote: "Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air."
That means, on the ground where people are standing...all the way up to
the sky is Blue...
you live in an ocean of Air.
From toe to all the way up is sky...the blue sky.
The SKY starts on the ground where you stand
The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to
the end of sky.
If you have problem with simple terms...
atmosphere is sky.
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 08:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:Sure, but the question was slightly different:
Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCa|e-i|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here.
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word >>>>>>>>>> "created" either.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages. >>>>>>>>>>
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is >>>>>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call >>>>>>> something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something. >>>>>>>
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance. >>>>>>>
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
Of course, they say air is invisible...
is water invisible to a fish?
...
TH
Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
From space it is a Blue Dot.
You can look up and it's blue.
You're walking on air...
Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air. >>>
Get off my blue dot.
"is water invisible to a fish?"
And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would
see water as blue.
To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the
water out.
TH
I didn't say the ocean where fish live is blue...
I wrote: "Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air."
That means, on the ground where people are standing...all the way up to
the sky is Blue...
you live in an ocean of Air.
Ok, that's nice very nice poetry, but doesn't cover the question,
whether or not fish would see the water.
From toe to all the way up is sky...the blue sky.
The SKY starts on the ground where you stand
Looks like, but ain't the case.
The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to
the end of sky.
If you have problem with simple terms...
atmosphere is sky.
That's wrong, because what we call 'sky' goes way beyond the atmosphere.
TH
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 08:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:Sure, but the question was slightly different:
Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCa|e-i|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'! >>>>>>>>>>>>>
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is >>>>>>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly. >>>>>>>
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call >>>>>>> something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something. >>>>>>>
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance. >>>>>>>
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air. >>>>>
Of course, they say air is invisible...
is water invisible to a fish?
...
TH
Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
From space it is a Blue Dot.
You can look up and it's blue.
You're walking on air...
Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air.
Get off my blue dot.
"is water invisible to a fish?"
And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would >> see water as blue.
To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the >> water out.
TH
I didn't say the ocean where fish live is blue...
I wrote: "Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air."
That means, on the ground where people are standing...all the way up to the sky is Blue...
you live in an ocean of Air.
Ok, that's nice very nice poetry, but doesn't cover the question,
whether or not fish would see the water.
From toe to all the way up is sky...the blue sky.
The SKY starts on the ground where you stand
Looks like, but ain't the case.
The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to the end of sky.
If you have problem with simple terms...
atmosphere is sky.
That's wrong, because what we call 'sky' goes way beyond the atmosphere.
TH
at+mos+phere
/'atm??sfir/
noun
the envelope of gases surrounding the earth
Why is the sky blue? I guess some of yous still have a problem with that question, i see.
Yous haven't even figured out what a "sky" IS.
or even agree of it's definition...typical.
I understand Germans definition of sky is a cloud.
dumbkoff
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 08:46 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000008, 08.08.2026 um 00:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
Thomas Heger wrote:Sure, but the question was slightly different:
Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:
Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker: >>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
Natividad |a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-ilusarski wrote:
Maciej Wo|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|ore4 |a-o|orCU-4|orCR-o|a|A|arCO|arCU|e-o|a|A|e-o|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|arCU|e-4|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-a|a|A|arCO|arC |ore4rao|a|A|e-o|a-o|ore4+i|e-4|arCa|e-i|a|A|arCO|a-o|orCU-4|a-i|a|A|ore4+i|arCU|e-|niak wrote:In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
past. Time is something completely else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
not carry labels or calendars.
Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
time called 'now'.
So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
somewhere else.
TH
Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
I was over here, and now I'm over here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
Here is here is here..
Now is very very far away apart from here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now is everywhere
Here is right here.
Where?
remove the letter 'W'
There??
remove the letter 'T'
It's all Here!
What about Now?
Now is like...WOW!
I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
Where?
There.
Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
over here it is the same now as over there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where?
over there!
It's now now.
What time is it now?
If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
The time now is...NOW!
What time is it now? Yes.
The time is Now!
Where?
Everywhere!!
The problem of course is...where does Here begin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here or over there?
Where?
Over here.
What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
light so see something and that needs time to travel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
our own past-light-cone.
THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
that THAT would have borders.
But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
because you can't see in that direction.
TH
...
The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
was eternal time.
The big bang created time in...seconds.
I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
is garbage.
I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
"created" either.
I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
picture unreal.
What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
scene'
as it took place then.
It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
(what we can't).
You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
Earth."
and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
Possibly...
But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
and galaxies.
What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
because the picture is 'layered in time'.
To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
because you can't do that with light.
Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
at all.
It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
cannot be solved.
TH
"Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
Nature does not hide.
Sure, nature hides lots of things.
What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
depending on your eyes and your point of view.
Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly. >>>>>>>
It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
something 'real'.
Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
narrow spectrum.
Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something. >>>>>>>
E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
exist.
Next nasty thing is time:
you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance. >>>>>>>
TH
I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air. >>>>>
Of course, they say air is invisible...
is water invisible to a fish?
...
TH
Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.
From space it is a Blue Dot.
You can look up and it's blue.
You're walking on air...
Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air.
Get off my blue dot.
"is water invisible to a fish?"
And since you are not a fish, you don't know, whether or not fish would
see water as blue.
To me it would make some sense, if the brain of a fish would filter the
water out.
TH
I didn't say the ocean where fish live is blue...
I wrote: "Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air."
That means, on the ground where people are standing...all the way up to the sky is Blue...
you live in an ocean of Air.
Ok, that's nice very nice poetry, but doesn't cover the question,
whether or not fish would see the water.
From toe to all the way up is sky...the blue sky.
The SKY starts on the ground where you stand
Looks like, but ain't the case.
The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to the end of sky.
If you have problem with simple terms...
atmosphere is sky.
That's wrong, because what we call 'sky' goes way beyond the atmosphere.
TH
at+mos+phere
/'atm??sfir/
noun
the envelope of gases surrounding the earth
Why is the sky blue? I guess some of yous still have a problem with that question, i see.
Yous haven't even figured out what a "sky" IS.
or even agree of it's definition...typical.
I understand Germans definition of sky is a cloud.
dumbkoff
I don't why I find myself having to teach Yous people kidergarten physics...
i mentioned BLUE dot, blue sky...
An atmosphere is the layer of gases surrounding Earth https://www.google.com/search?q=define+atmosphere
atmosphere(n.)
1630s, atmosphaera (modern form from 1670s), "gaseous envelop surrounding the earth," from Modern Latin atmosphaera, from
Greek atmos "vapor, steam" (see atmo-) + sphaira "sphere" (see sphere).
In old science, "vaporous air," which was considered a part of the earth and a contamination of the lower part of the air
https://www.etymonline.com/word/atmosphere
air(n.1)
c. 1300, "invisible gases that surround the earth," from Old French air "atmosphere, breeze, weather" (12c.), from Latin aer "air, lower atmosphere, sky
https://www.etymonline.com/word/air#etymonline_v_8078
Hell, you guys cannot even agree how many planets are there in your own solar system! Is it 8 or 9, or ten????
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
Thomas Heger wrote:...
The sky begins on the ground where you stand and goes all the way up to
the end of sky.
If you have problem with simple terms...
atmosphere is sky.
That's wrong, because what we call 'sky' goes way beyond the atmosphere.
TH
at-+mos-+phere
/'atm??sfir/
noun
the envelope of gases surrounding the earth
Why is the sky blue? I guess some of yous still have a problem with that question, i see.
Yous haven't even figured out what a "sky" IS.
or even agree of it's definition...typical.
I understand Germans definition of sky is a cloud.No, because 'sky' isn't a German word (it's actually English).
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
The sky, from the ground where I'm standing towards 'up', is only aroundfirst:
60 miles.
Of course, in Germany...when you reach a 'cloud'....kaput.
Yous people are walking around on 'at the bottom' of the ocean
of...air.
In Herr Heger's mind, all the fish are flying in their ...sky.No, because I'm not a fish.
i guess they never learned how to swim...
| Sysop: | Amessyroom |
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| Location: | Fayetteville, NC |
| Users: | 74 |
| Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
| Uptime: | 45:25:58 |
| Calls: | 1,100 |
| Files: | 1,339 |
| Messages: | 275,372 |