• Re: What do you think of this writing about stellar aberration by Howard C. Hayden?

    From Paul B. Andersen@relativity@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Mar 26 20:36:48 2026
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    Den 06.03.2026 20:47, skrev Paul B. Andersen:

    Let us take it from the beginning.

    The aberration of the light from a star can be
    stated very simple:

    We will always see the star where it was at
    the time of emission.
    That means that the aberration is the angle
    between the observed position of the star and
    its real position.
    Both are positions in our rest frame.

    Or better:
    In the observer's momentarily comoving inertial frame
    of reference.


    Let v be the orbital speed of the Earth. v = 29.78 km/s
    Let a star be at the ecliptic north pole, a distance d from the Sun.
    Let our observer be at the north pole (no diurnal aberration).
    Let his coordinate system be such that the x-axis is tangential
    to Earth's orbit, the y-axis is pointing towards the Sun and
    the z-axis is pointing towards the Sun.

    Typo.
    the z-axis is pointing towards the star.
    (The z-axis will point a small angle from the star;
    the parallax. This is not aberration. See below.)

    The x-axis is pointing in the same direction as
    Earth's velocity in the solar system.


    At any time, the true position of the star in the observer's
    rest frame is:
    -ax = 0, y = 1 AU, z = d.


    ------------------

    Since the star in the observer's rest frame is moving
    at the speed v in the negative x-direction, the observed
    position of the star will at any time be:
    x = -vt, z = d
    where t is the transit time for the light to go from
    the star to the observer.

    The angle to the observed star in the x-z plane is:
    __vt__
    \ |
    \ | aberration angle ++ = arcsin(v/c) ree 20.5"
    \ ++ |d
    ct\ |
    \ |
    \|
    -------O--->x

    At any time, the observer will observe the star 20.5"
    in the negative x-direction from the true position of
    the star at x = y = 0.

    Nobody has caught my error above!

    Let me correct it:


    Since the star in the observer's momentarily comoving
    inertial frame of reference is moving at the speed v
    in the negative x-direction, the observed position of
    the star will be where the star was at the time of
    emission:
    x = vt, z = d
    where t is the transit time for the light to go from
    the star to the observer.

    The angle to the observed star in the x-z plane is:

    __vt__
    | /
    | / aberration angle ++ = arcsin(v/c) ree 20.5"
    d| ++ /
    | /ct
    | /
    |/
    ----O--->x

    At any time, the observer will observe the star 20.5"
    in the positive x-direction from the true position of
    the star at x = y = 0.

    The rest is correct.

    Since the rest frame of the observer is rotating once
    per year, the observer will during a year observe
    the star to move along a circle with radius 20.5".
    This is annual stellar aberration.

    Since there is a distance between the observer and
    the star in the y-direction, the observer will observe
    the star to be an angular distance from its true position.
    If d = 100 pc, this angle will be 0.01" (per definition of parsec)
    This angle is parallax, and depend on the distance to the star.
    It has nothing to do with stellar aberration.
    Note that the parallax is perpendicular to the aberration.

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  • From Hania =?iso-8859-1?q?L=E9cuyer?=@ry@aaira.fr to sci.physics.relativity,sci.math on Thu Mar 26 21:23:08 2026
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    Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    Typo.
    the z-axis is pointing towards the star.
    (The z-axis will point a small angle from the star;
    the parallax. This is not aberration. See below.)

    The x-axis is pointing in the same direction as Earth's velocity in the
    solar system.

    that's still round, aka curvilinear system of coordinates first order
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Fri Mar 27 00:29:00 2026
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    On 3/26/2026 8:36 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 06.03.2026 20:47, skrev Paul B. Andersen:

    Let us take it from the beginning.

    The aberration of the light from a star can be
    stated very simple:

    We will always see the star where it was at
    the time of emission.
    That means that the aberration is the angle
    between the observed position of the star and
    its real position.
    Both are positions in our rest frame.

    Or better:
    In the observer's momentarily comoving inertial frame
    of reference.


    Let v be the orbital speed of the Earth. v = 29.78 km/s
    Let a star be at the ecliptic north pole, a distance d from the Sun.
    Let our observer be at the north pole (no diurnal aberration).
    Let his coordinate system be such that the x-axis is tangential
    to Earth's orbit, the y-axis is pointing towards the Sun and
    the z-axis is pointing towards the Sun.

    Typo.
    the z-axis is pointing towards the star.
    (The z-axis will point a small angle from the star;
    -athe parallax. This is not aberration. See below.)

    The x-axis is pointing in the same direction as
    Earth's velocity in the solar system.


    At any time, the true position of the star in the observer's
    rest frame is:
    -a-ax = 0, y = 1 AU, z = d.


    ------------------

    Since the star in the observer's rest frame is moving
    at the speed v in the negative x-direction, the observed
    position of the star will at any time be:
    -ax = -vt, z = d
    where t is the transit time for the light to go from
    the star to the observer.

    The angle to the observed star in the x-z plane is:
    -a __vt__
    -a \-a-a-a-a |
    -a-a \-a-a-a |-a aberration angle ++ = arcsin(v/c) ree 20.5"
    -a-a-a \ ++ |d
    -a-a ct\-a |
    -a-a-a-a-a \ |
    -a-a-a-a-a-a \|
    -a-------O--->x

    At any time, the observer will observe the star 20.5"
    in the-a negative x-direction from the true position of
    the star at x = y = 0.

    Nobody has caught my error above!

    Let me correct it:


    Since the star in the observer's momentarily comoving
    inertial frame of reference is moving at the speed v
    in the negative x-direction, the observed position of
    the star will be where the star was at the time of
    emission:
    -ax = vt, z = d
    where t is the transit time for the light to go from
    the star to the observer.

    The angle to the observed star in the x-z plane is:

    -a-a-a-a-a __vt__
    -a-a-a-a |-a-a-a-a /
    -a-a-a-a |-a-a-a /-a-a aberration angle ++ = arcsin(v/c) ree 20.5"
    -a-a-a d| ++ /
    -a-a-a-a |-a /ct
    -a-a-a-a | /
    -a-a-a-a |/
    -a----O--->x

    At any time, the observer will observe the star 20.5"
    in the-a positive x-direction from the true position of
    the star at x = y = 0.

    The rest is correct.

    Since the rest frame of the observer is rotating once
    per year, the observer will during a year observe
    the star to move along a circle with radius 20.5".

    So, one name and surname. Of someone saying
    "I'am observing the star moving along a circle"
    instead saying "someone will observe the star
    moving along a circle".
    Will you provide such name, poor brainwashed
    idiot?



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  • From Paul B. Andersen@relativity@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity on Wed Apr 1 22:18:34 2026
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    Den 07.03.2026 06:51, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:

    One name and surname of someone saying
    "I'm seeing/observing stars moving along
    circles". Even you are not THAT stupid, trash.
    On 3/3/2026, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    |
    | I will give you exactly one name:
    | James Bradley (1693rCo1762)
    |
    | He observed the stellar aberration of gamma Draconis
    | and 35 Camelopardalis from December 1725 to January 1727.
    |
    | Since neither of the stars are at the ecliptic north pole
    | (Dec ~51rU# for both), he observed that the stars were moving
    |along ellipses with major axis ~ 40".
    |
    | He got it correct within one arcsec!

    You, Maciej Wo+|niak, seem to be so incredible stupid and ignorant
    that you don't know that annual stellar aberration does exist.

    https://explainingscience.org/2019/05/28/stellar-aberration/

    Read, cry, and shut up.
    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Apr 2 00:18:30 2026
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    On 4/1/2026 10:18 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 07.03.2026 06:51, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:

    One name and surname of someone saying
    "I'm seeing/observing stars moving along
    circles". Even you are not THAT stupid, trash.
    On 3/3/2026, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    |
    | I will give you exactly one name:
    | James Bradley (1693rCo1762)
    |
    | He observed the stellar aberration of gamma Draconis
    | and 35 Camelopardalis from December 1725 to January 1727.
    |
    | Since neither of the stars are at the ecliptic north pole
    | (Dec ~51rU# for both), he observed that the stars were moving
    |along ellipses with major axis ~ 40".
    |
    | He got it correct within one arcsec!

    You, Maciej Wo+|niak, seem to be so incredible stupid and ignorant
    that you don't know that annual stellar aberration does exist.

    You, Paul B. Andersen seem to be an extremly dumb
    piece of lying shit, even considering the usual
    level of relativistic scum. And stellar aberration is
    no way the movement of stars along circles.

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  • From Paul B. Andersen@relativity@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Apr 2 15:13:41 2026
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    Den 02.04.2026 00:18, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 4/1/2026 10:18 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 07.03.2026 06:51, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:

    One name and surname of someone saying
    "I'm seeing/observing stars moving along
    circles". Even you are not THAT stupid, trash.
    On 3/3/2026, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    |
    | I will give you exactly one name:
    | James Bradley (1693rCo1762)
    |
    | He observed the stellar aberration of gamma Draconis
    | and 35 Camelopardalis from December 1725 to January 1727.
    |
    | Since neither of the stars are at the ecliptic north pole
    | (Dec ~51rU# for both), he observed that the stars were moving
    |along ellipses with major axis ~ 40".
    |
    | He got it correct within one arcsec!

    You, Maciej Wo+|niak, seem to be so incredible stupid and ignorant
    that you don't know that annual stellar aberration does exist.

    You, Paul B. Andersen seem to be an extremly dumb
    piece of lying shit, even considering the usual
    level of relativistic scum. And stellar aberration is
    no way the movement of stars along circles.



    https://explainingscience.org/2019/05/28/stellar-aberration/

    Read, cry, and shut up.

    Yet again you demonstrate that you can't read.

    But maybe you can look at a picture?

    This is what Bradley observed:

    https://explainingscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/abberation-bradley-observations.pngor
    https://tinyurl.com/28v3y3ar

    Bradley observed that the star during a year appeared to move
    around an ellipse with major axis 40". In 1726!

    Astronomers have known this ever since.

    In the stellar catalogues the position of the star is at
    the centre of the ellipse, because that is where it would
    be observed from the Sun.

    Every time an astronomer use a telescope, he must point his
    telescope up to 20.5" from the charted position of the star,
    to compensate for stellar aberration.
    He will never see the star at the charted position,
    he will see it on an ellipse around the charted position.

    This has been known for 300 years, and Maciej Wo+|niak, is so
    incredible stupid and ignorant that he believes that stellar
    aberration does not exist, but is something invented by
    "relativistic scum".

    It won't help, but I can't but laugh! :-D
    --
    Paul

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  • From Paul B. Andersen@relativity@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Apr 2 15:17:33 2026
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    Den 02.04.2026 15:13, skrev Paul B. Andersen:

    https://explainingscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/abberation-bradley-observations.png
    https://tinyurl.com/28v3y3ar
    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Apr 2 16:01:07 2026
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    On 4/2/2026 3:13 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 02.04.2026 00:18, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 4/1/2026 10:18 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 07.03.2026 06:51, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:

    One name and surname of someone saying
    "I'm seeing/observing stars moving along
    circles". Even you are not THAT stupid, trash.
    On 3/3/2026, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    |
    | I will give you exactly one name:
    | James Bradley (1693rCo1762)
    |
    | He observed the stellar aberration of gamma Draconis
    | and 35 Camelopardalis from December 1725 to January 1727.
    |
    | Since neither of the stars are at the ecliptic north pole
    | (Dec ~51rU# for both), he observed that the stars were moving
    |along ellipses with major axis ~ 40".
    |
    | He got it correct within one arcsec!

    You, Maciej Wo+|niak, seem to be so incredible stupid and ignorant
    that you don't know that annual stellar aberration does exist.

    You, Paul B. Andersen seem to be an extremly dumb
    piece of lying shit, even considering the usual
    level of relativistic scum. And stellar aberration is
    no way the movement of stars along circles.



    https://explainingscience.org/2019/05/28/stellar-aberration/

    Read, cry, and shut up.

    Yet again you demonstrate that you can't read.

    But maybe you can look at a picture?

    This is what Bradley observed:

    https://explainingscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/abberation- bradley-observations.pngor
    https://tinyurl.com/28v3y3ar

    Bradley observed that the star during a year appeared to move
    around an ellipse with major axis 40". In 1726!

    Did he also observed that it moved along this ellipse?
    Is that what he claimed? "I'm observing a star moving
    along a circle"?


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  • From Paul B. Andersen@relativity@paulba.no to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Apr 2 20:31:41 2026
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    Den 02.04.2026 16:01, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 4/2/2026 3:13 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    https://explainingscience.org/2019/05/28/stellar-aberration/


    This is what Bradley observed:

    https://explainingscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/abberation-bradley-observations.png

    https://tinyurl.com/28v3y3ar

    Bradley observed that the star during a year appeared to move
    around an ellipse with major axis 40". In 1726!

    Did he also observed that it moved along this ellipse?

    !!!! :-D
    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@mlwozniak@wp.pl to sci.physics.relativity on Thu Apr 2 21:27:56 2026
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    On 4/2/2026 8:31 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 02.04.2026 16:01, skrev Maciej Wo+|niak:
    On 4/2/2026 3:13 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

    https://explainingscience.org/2019/05/28/stellar-aberration/


    This is what Bradley observed:

    https://explainingscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/abberation-
    bradley-observations.png

    https://tinyurl.com/28v3y3ar

    Bradley observed that the star during a year appeared to move
    around an ellipse with major axis 40". In 1726!

    Did he also observed that it moved along this ellipse?

    !!!! :-D

    So he didn't. Where is, then, your observer
    observing stars moving along circles?




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