• Car Aerodynamics Questions

    From Christopher Howard@christopher@librehacker.com to sci.physics on Wed Jun 17 08:49:59 2026
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    Hi, I am wondering about two things in regards to car aerodynamics:

    (1) In pictures of sportcars (I can't afford one) the wheels are thin
    and the body is very low to the ground. What is the reason for this? Is
    there some inherent aerodynamic advantage to having the body of the
    vehicle very low to the ground? Or are we just trying to keep the wheels
    inside the body, so that we don't get additional air drag on the wheels?

    (2) Why is it that, in all the vehicles I've seen, there is an intake
    for cooling air rCo pulled or pushed through by the radiator rCo but not
    really an exhaust for it? I assume most of the incoming cooling air goes through the radiator and then is bludgeoned down underneath the car. I've
    read articles on careful management of cooling airflow in aircraft, but
    this doesn't seem to be a concern for cars...?
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    Christopher Howard
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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to sci.physics on Wed Jun 17 18:23:58 2026
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    Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com> wrote or quoted:
    (1) In pictures of sportcars (I can't afford one) the wheels are thin
    and the body is very low to the ground. What is the reason for this? Is
    there some inherent aerodynamic advantage to having the body of the
    vehicle very low to the ground? Or are we just trying to keep the wheels >inside the body, so that we don't get additional air drag on the wheels?

    A low-slung chassis chokes off the air flowing underneath.
    Forcing that air through such a tight squeeze makes it speed up
    and drop in pressure as it dumps out the back. That generates a
    vacuum via the Bernoulli principle that literally glues the car
    to the tarmac, giving you insane grip without adding dead weight.

    Regular cars sit high, letting a ton of air underneath. At speed,
    that air acts like a wing, lifting the chassis and making the
    steering feel sketchy and washed out.

    Slamming the car shrinks the frontal area, which is the total surface
    cutting through the wind. Less frontal area directly cuts aerodynamic
    drag, letting you hit higher speeds with less effort from the motor.

    Keeping the heavy bits like the engine, transmission, and chassis
    right on the deck keeps body roll to a minimum.

    When a high-riding SUV takes a hard turn, weight transfers
    violently to the outside tires, making the truck lean and
    lose its bite. A low-profile sports car spreads those cornering
    loads evenly across all four patches of rubber.

    Those thin low-profile tires have stiff sidewalls. When you
    turn the wheel, the rubber does not deflect or roll over,
    giving you instant turn-in.

    Mind you,

    Speed bumps, steep driveways, and potholes will easily tear off
    pricy front splitters and carbon underbody trays.

    Since the sidewalls have no meat on them, they cannot soak up bumps.

    Low-profile tires give zero cushion to the alloy wheels, leaving
    them wide open to bending or cracking if you nail a pothole.

    (2) Why is it that, in all the vehicles I've seen, there is an intake
    for cooling air rCo pulled or pushed through by the radiator rCo but not >really an exhaust for it? I assume most of the incoming cooling air goes >through the radiator and then is bludgeoned down underneath the car. I've >read articles on careful management of cooling airflow in aircraft, but
    this doesn't seem to be a concern for cars...?

    Managing cooling airflow actually tops the agenda for automotive
    engineers, though the hardware stays out of sight. You rarely spot
    dedicated exit vents on daily drivers due to a blend of packaging
    bottlenecks, design cues, and budget limits.

    Hood vents or fender louvers let moisture, road grime,
    and engine noise migrate to where passengers catch wind of
    them. Plus, routing clean, ducted exhaust pathways eats up
    prime real estate inside a packed engine bay.

    To handle this air without glaring vents, modern rides count
    on undertrays and active grille shutters. Active shutters seal
    off the front inlets when the engine runs cool, forcing air to
    sweep over the hood rather than crowd the high-drag engine bay.

    When they snap open, the oncoming air hits the radiator and gets
    channeled along the underbody by contoured panels. These trays
    keep the air from pooling and generating lift, turning the
    underside into a low-pressure zone that sucks the hot air out.

    On high-performance builds and track cars, this aerospace-grade
    thermal management breaks the surface. Race cars and track-focused
    supercars regularly sport deep hood vents right behind the radiator.

    This setup lets air pass through the front grille, exit straight
    through the top of the hood, and wash cleanly over the roof.
    By ducting the air upward, engineers wipe out front-end lift
    and drop the drag coefficient, hitting the exact sort of
    fluid dynamics you see in aviation.


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  • From Jeremiah Jones@jj@j.j to sci.physics on Fri Jun 19 22:39:34 2026
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    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
    Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com> wrote or quoted:

    (2) Why is it that, in all the vehicles I've seen, there is an intake
    for cooling air u pulled or pushed through by the radiator u but not
    really an exhaust for it? I assume most of the incoming cooling air goes >through the radiator and then is bludgeoned down underneath the car. I've >read articles on careful management of cooling airflow in aircraft, but >this doesn't seem to be a concern for cars...?

    Managing cooling airflow actually tops the agenda for automotive
    engineers, though the hardware stays out of sight. You rarely spot
    dedicated exit vents on daily drivers due to a blend of packaging
    bottlenecks, design cues, and budget limits.

    Hood vents or fender louvers let moisture, road grime,
    and engine noise migrate to where passengers catch wind of
    them. Plus, routing clean, ducted exhaust pathways eats up
    prime real estate inside a packed engine bay.

    To handle this air without glaring vents, modern rides count
    on undertrays and active grille shutters. Active shutters seal
    off the front inlets when the engine runs cool, forcing air to
    sweep over the hood rather than crowd the high-drag engine bay.

    When they snap open, the oncoming air hits the radiator and gets
    channeled along the underbody by contoured panels. These trays
    keep the air from pooling and generating lift, turning the
    underside into a low-pressure zone that sucks the hot air out.

    On high-performance builds and track cars, this aerospace-grade
    thermal management breaks the surface. Race cars and track-focused
    supercars regularly sport deep hood vents right behind the radiator.

    This setup lets air pass through the front grille, exit straight
    through the top of the hood, and wash cleanly over the roof.
    By ducting the air upward, engineers wipe out front-end lift
    and drop the drag coefficient, hitting the exact sort of
    fluid dynamics you see in aviation.

    Come on... the scoops and vents are really all about
    appearance, aren't they? Like the flashy airplane fins that
    cars had in the early 60s.
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