From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water
systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrCY sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrCY sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water
systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
Not all micro plastics are edible by bacteria?
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
Well, earth (sun) will go in time anyways.. So will we, nothing to worry about.
But I still do not want plastic and oil for dinner...
After watching a Chinese engineer talking about China's deepseek AI being better than the US AI bubbling stuff
I made a deepseek account :
deepseek.com
chose English
Very nice!
Asked it to create some C code that prints: 'hello world'
No bloat, the right code, nice interaction.
From that Chinese man, who also worked in the US and predicted several previous financial bubbles and now a US AI one;
what he was saying matches my view of US AI going for some bubble too.
Seems trump now also twists and turns again:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/17/anthropic-dario-amodei-trump-mythos.html
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he
used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he
has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot
less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know-a what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have
that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden deaths of lots of their colleagues).
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found
some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more
foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
I have an idea that involves the first settlement on Mars.
Probably it would not even take a lot of force in one case, because
being first guarantees to be the highest IQ person the planet.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water
systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
Not all micro plastics are edible by bacteria?
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
Well, earth (sun) will go in time anyways.. So will we, nothing to worry about.
But I still do not want plastic and oil for dinner...
After watching a Chinese engineer talking about China's deepseek AI being better than the US AI bubbling stuff
I made a deepseek account :
deepseek.com
chose English
Very nice!
Asked it to create some C code that prints: 'hello world'
No bloat, the right code, nice interaction.
From that Chinese man, who also worked in the US and predicted several previous financial bubbles and now a US AI one;
what he was saying matches my view of US AI going for some bubble too.
Seems trump now also twists and turns again:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/17/anthropic-dario-amodei-trump-mythos.html
I have an idea that involves the first settlement on Mars.
Probably it would not even take a lot of force in one case, because
being first guarantees to be the highest IQ person the planet.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water
systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
Not all micro plastics are edible by bacteria?
Yes, they are. And melamine can be used as a fertilizer.
.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine>
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
Well, earth (sun) will go in time anyways.. So will we, nothing to worry about.
But I still do not want plastic and oil for dinner...
Melamine is widely used for plates and cups and the like.
After watching a Chinese engineer talking about China's deepseek AI being better than the US AI bubbling stuff
I made a deepseek account :
deepseek.com
chose English
Very nice!
Asked it to create some C code that prints: 'hello world'
No bloat, the right code, nice interaction.
From that Chinese man, who also worked in the US and predicted several previous financial bubbles and now a US AI one;
what he was saying matches my view of US AI going for some bubble too.
Seems trump now also twists and turns again:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/17/anthropic-dario-amodei-trump-mythos.html
There is a big debate on this very issue in the US.
To get the *whole* story, consult both the New York Times and the Wall
Street Journal, and compare - each will point out the blind spots,
flaws and material omissions of the other. These are by far the two
most important newspapers in the US (by circulation). Neither
newspaper is fond of Trump.
Joe
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he
used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he
has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot
less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have
that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden deaths of lots of their colleagues).
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found
some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more
foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 15:12:50 -0400, joegwinn@comcast.net wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that
wash into water
systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic >>>>things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
Not all micro plastics are edible by bacteria?
Yes, they are. And melamine can be used as a fertilizer.
.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine>
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters >>>>down there love oil.
Well, earth (sun) will go in time anyways.. So will we, nothing to worry about.
But I still do not want plastic and oil for dinner...
Melamine is widely used for plates and cups and the like.
After watching a Chinese engineer talking about China's deepseek AI being better than the US AI bubbling stuff
I made a deepseek account :
deepseek.com
chose English
Very nice!
Asked it to create some C code that prints: 'hello world'
No bloat, the right code, nice interaction.
From that Chinese man, who also worked in the US and predicted several previous financial bubbles and now a US AI one;
what he was saying matches my view of US AI going for some bubble too.
Seems trump now also twists and turns again:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/17/anthropic-dario-amodei-trump-mythos.html
There is a big debate on this very issue in the US.
To get the *whole* story, consult both the New York Times and the Wall >>Street Journal, and compare - each will point out the blind spots,
flaws and material omissions of the other. These are by far the two
most important newspapers in the US (by circulation). Neither
newspaper is fond of Trump.
Joe
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
The problem with everyone in the mideast is a deficiency of God's food,
pork.
We need to do an epic airlift of Spam to Jerusalem and Tehran. That
will open their eyes and hearts, and next thing you know they will be
making nicey-nice and everything, and like, can't we all just get along.
Spam saved Britain's bacon, why not the shithole middle east. Now how
much spam can you buy for the price of 1 patriot missile? About 40 or 50 pallets.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
RL
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station,
KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station,
KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public
media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>> Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he
used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he
has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot
less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have
that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden >deaths of lots of their colleagues).
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found
some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more
foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for >themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of >anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an >international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to >tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
Am 19.04.26 um 19:49 schrieb Bill Sloman:
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he
used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he
has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot
less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all knowa what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have
that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden
deaths of lots of their colleagues).
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found
some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more
foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for
themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of
anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an
international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to
tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
I have an idea that involves the first settlement on Mars.
Probably it would not even take a lot of force in one case, because
being first guarantees to be the highest IQ person the planet.
Gerhard
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >> >>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he
used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he
has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot
less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have
that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden
deaths of lots of their colleagues).
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found
some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more
foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for
themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of
anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an
international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to
tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
The problem with everyone in the mideast is a deficiency of God's food,
pork.
We need to do an epic airlift of Spam to Jerusalem and Tehran. That
will open their eyes and hearts, and next thing you know they will be
making nicey-nice and everything, and like, can't we all just get along.
Spam saved Britain's bacon, why not the shithole middle east. Now how
much spam can you buy for the price of 1 patriot missile? About 40 or 50 >pallets.
Minnesota's farmers are standing by.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station,
KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public
media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 03:49:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he >>used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he >>has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot >>less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
The big point is to keep Iran from nuking Israel and maybe europe,
which they would do even if it martyred millions of Iranians in
retaliation. Actually, they would welcome that.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have >>that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get >>replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden >>deaths of lots of their colleagues).
Well, life is chaotic. And it's hard to de-thuggify a government.
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found >>some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more >>foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for >>themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of >>anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an >>international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to >>tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
It's shocking how intensely "progressives" hate Enlightment values,
and how intolerant they are.
On 21/04/2026 3:29 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station,
KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public
media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
In fact it does, but what the US has isn't all that democratic -
everybody in the US can, in theory, vote but it isn't compulsory, as it
is in Australia, and there's a tendency in the US to make it more
difficult for poor people to cast their votes.
Then there's the Supreme Court's persistent habit of making it easy for
rich people to buy advertising for the candidates they like, and their >unwillingness to let anybody check that advertising for accuracy.
John Larkin doesn't care that Donald Trump lies non-stop - he doesn't
seem to notice - but it does put a crimp in the "democratic" process.
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>> Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable
and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 20:16:52 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 19.04.26 um 19:49 schrieb Bill Sloman:And probably the first death.
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he
used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he >>> has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot
less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know-a what he and Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most >>> of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have
that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden
deaths of lots of their colleagues).
It's a big enough misjudgement that Trump and Netanyahu's colleagues should
have found some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even >>> more foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for >>> themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of
anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an
international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to >>> tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
I have an idea that involves the first settlement on Mars.
Probably it would not even take a lot of force in one case, because
being first guarantees to be the highest IQ person the planet.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:37:57 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 03:49:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>wrote:
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he >>>used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown >>>with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he >>>has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot >>>less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most >>>of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
The big point is to keep Iran from nuking Israel and maybe europe,
which they would do even if it martyred millions of Iranians in >>retaliation. Actually, they would welcome that.
They? The Theocracy, probably. At least the surviving leaders, if
not the rank-and-file ~priesthood.
The rest of the Persian population (90 million)? Probably not at all.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have >>>that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get >>>replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even >>>further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden >>>deaths of lots of their colleagues).
Well, life is chaotic. And it's hard to de-thuggify a government.
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found >>>some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more >>>foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for >>>themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of >>>anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous >>>lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch >>>in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an >>>international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to >>>tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
It's shocking how intensely "progressives" hate Enlightment values,
and how intolerant they are.
It turns out to be a very old but fundamental issue:
.<https://www.wsj.com/opinion/justice-thomas-progressives-vs-the-declaration-50d5aea4?st=exUgVB&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink>
On 21/04/2026 3:40 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 20:16:52 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 19.04.26 um 19:49 schrieb Bill Sloman:And probably the first death.
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from >>>>> brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he >>>> used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he >>>> has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot >>>> less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all knowa what he and Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most >>>> of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have >>>> that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden >>>> deaths of lots of their colleagues).
It's a big enough misjudgement that Trump and Netanyahu's colleagues should
have found some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even >>>> more foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for >>>> themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of >>>> anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch >>>> in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an
international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to >>>> tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
I have an idea that involves the first settlement on Mars.
Probably it would not even take a lot of force in one case, because
being first guarantees to be the highest IQ person the planet.
Trump's ankles are getting puffy - an Australian TV show, Planet
America, milks him for comic content,
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>> Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:21:04 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >wrote:
On 21/04/2026 3:29 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
In fact it does, but what the US has isn't all that democratic -
everybody in the US can, in theory, vote but it isn't compulsory, as it
is in Australia, and there's a tendency in the US to make it more >>difficult for poor people to cast their votes.
It's easy to vote here and it costs nothing. There are polling
stations in peoples' houses and garages. I sometimes bring snacks to
the volunteer workers.
In the US we have the freedom to not vote too.
Then there's the Supreme Court's persistent habit of making it easy for >>rich people to buy advertising for the candidates they like, and their >>unwillingness to let anybody check that advertising for accuracy.
We have that pesky freedom of speech thing.
Lots of countries have a dominant political party that arrests
opposition members and supporters and reporters for various reasons.
Or kills them.
John Larkin doesn't care that Donald Trump lies non-stop - he doesn't
seem to notice - but it does put a crimp in the "democratic" process.
He solidly won election. Democracy involves respecting the choices of
the people.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 03:49:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >wrote:
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he >>used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he >>has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot >>less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
The big point is to keep Iran from nuking Israel and maybe europe,
which they would do even if it martyred millions of Iranians in
retaliation. Actually, they would welcome that.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station,
KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 03:49:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 20/04/2026 12:45 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:32:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
<snip>
TDS is a terrible disease. I don't think one ever fully recovers from
brain rot.
If you don't think that Trump is now looking even more deranged that he
used to be, you've got a problem.
The Australian commentators who used to see Trump as a shallow clown
with quite a lot of rat-like cunning are now getting more concerned - he
has started to take his own propaganda seriously, and there's now a lot
less rat-like cunning to be seen.
We all know what he an Netanyahu hoped to achieve by killing off most
of the Iranian cabinet - getting the survivors to panic.
The big point is to keep Iran from nuking Israel and maybe europe,
which they would do even if it martyred millions of Iranians in
retaliation. Actually, they would welcome that.
They should have had enough sense to know that it wasn't going to have
that effect - if you kill off a bunch of sincere fanatics, they get
replaced by people who are even more sincerely fanatical and even
further out of touch with reality (and somewhat disturbed by the sudden
deaths of lots of their colleagues).
Well, life is chaotic. And it's hard to de-thuggify a government.
It's a big enough misjudgement that their colleagues should have found
some excuse to get rid of them before they did something even more
foolish, but Trump's cabinet isn't full of people who can think for
themselves and Netanyahu has spent years purging the Israeli cabinet of
anybody brave enough to disagree with him.
So we've got the US, Israel and Iran run by a bunch of dangerous
lunatics, and Trump and Netanyahu have put an even more deranged bunch
in charge in Iran.
What we need is a UN mental health force to take them all off to an
international lunatic asylum, and put in a bunch of timid bureaucrats to
tidy up the mess. It isn't going to happen, but we can dream.
It's shocking how intensely "progressives" hate Enlightment values,
and how intolerant they are.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:21:04 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 3:29 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
In fact it does, but what the US has isn't all that democratic -
everybody in the US can, in theory, vote but it isn't compulsory, as it
is in Australia, and there's a tendency in the US to make it more
difficult for poor people to cast their votes.
It's easy to vote here and it costs nothing. There are polling
stations in peoples' houses and garages. I sometimes bring snacks to
the volunteer workers.
In the US we have the freedom to not vote too.
Then there's the Supreme Court's persistent habit of making it easy for
rich people to buy advertising for the candidates they like, and their
unwillingness to let anybody check that advertising for accuracy.
We have that pesky freedom of speech thing.
Lots of countries have a dominant political party that arrests
opposition members and supporters and reporters for various reasons.
Or kills them.
John Larkin doesn't care that Donald Trump lies non-stop - he doesn't
seem to notice - but it does put a crimp in the "democratic" process.
He solidly won election. Democracy involves respecting the choices of
the people.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>> Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable
and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:21:04 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 3:29 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote: >>>>>>
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
In fact it does, but what the US has isn't all that democratic - >>>everybody in the US can, in theory, vote but it isn't compulsory, as it >>>is in Australia, and there's a tendency in the US to make it more >>>difficult for poor people to cast their votes.
It's easy to vote here and it costs nothing. There are polling
stations in peoples' houses and garages. I sometimes bring snacks to
the volunteer workers.
In the US we have the freedom to not vote too.
Then there's the Supreme Court's persistent habit of making it easy for >>>rich people to buy advertising for the candidates they like, and their >>>unwillingness to let anybody check that advertising for accuracy.
We have that pesky freedom of speech thing.
Lots of countries have a dominant political party that arrests
opposition members and supporters and reporters for various reasons.
Or kills them.
John Larkin doesn't care that Donald Trump lies non-stop - he doesn't >>>seem to notice - but it does put a crimp in the "democratic" process.
He solidly won election. Democracy involves respecting the choices of
the people.
When the majority is a bunch of religious fanatics wins and then comes up with a criminal nutcase as president that then
forces his way on normal people..
See the problem?
On top of that big weapon manufacturing clubs all for profit
making wars all over the world, far from their bed, for profit.
Profit above moral.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >> >>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station,
KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot
of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking
strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public
media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>>> Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >>non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
I stopped using gas decennia ago.
An other advantage is that if gas or electric supply is cut I can use my solar panels, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, and 2 kW pure sinewave battery to mains converter..
Tested on the microwave and other stuff, works perfectly, keeps the fridge running too.
And satellite TV!
Fiber will be dead..
Amazing, 10 minutes microwave can do a lot! Not much power used!
Water cooker, few minutes for a liter boiling water.
You do not even have to skip your coffee...
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>>> Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and
not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house
in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker
got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we >spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house
had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the
Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm >house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the
director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she
was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and >>not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house >>in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker
got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we >>spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house
had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the
Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm >>house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the >>director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she >>was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:05:17 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >> >>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station,
KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot
of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking >strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >> >media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
This is a felon following the Project 2025 playbook to turn America into
a white nationalist theocracy. He issues fatwas that are
unconstitutional or illegal all the time. He silences opponents by regulatory intimidation and frivolous legal action. This never happened before in America. If that's democracy, you'll love Iran.
Not a bit. Basically by definition, the left thinks they understand
everything and need to control everything. And in real life, the left
defines the working class as peasants and idiots whose choices and
votes don't matter.
Leftists are intolerant elitists. And historical mass murders.
By my standards, Hitler was a leftist, an intolerant control freak
leading a team of thugs. Not fundamentally different from Stalin or
Mao or Kim or Putin.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:35:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that
wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every
month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >>>non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
I stopped using gas decennia ago.
An other advantage is that if gas or electric supply is cut I can use my solar panels, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, and 2 kW pure
sinewave battery to mains converter..
Tested on the microwave and other stuff, works perfectly, keeps the fridge running too.
And satellite TV!
Fiber will be dead..
Amazing, 10 minutes microwave can do a lot! Not much power used!
Water cooker, few minutes for a liter boiling water.
You do not even have to skip your coffee...
Our gas and electricity are independent and both are very reliable.
The gas range can be ignited without electricity. And I have a propane
BBQ on the deck outside the kitchen. It has a nice view too.
Microwaves are good for thawing leftovers. We don't actually cook
anything in the microwave.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:50:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
On top of that big weapon manufacturing clubs all for profit
making wars all over the world, far from their bed, for profit.
Profit above moral.
Profit is profoundly moral.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:05:17 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions
Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >> >> >> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot
of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking
strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >> >> >media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
This is a felon following the Project 2025 playbook to turn America into >> > a white nationalist theocracy. He issues fatwas that are
unconstitutional or illegal all the time. He silences opponents by
regulatory intimidation and frivolous legal action. This never happened >> > before in America. If that's democracy, you'll love Iran.
Not a bit. Basically by definition, the left thinks they understand
Do you know what "by definition" means?
everything and need to control everything. And in real life, the left
defines the working class as peasants and idiots whose choices and
votes don't matter.
Leftists are intolerant elitists. And historical mass murders.
You are just dripping with tolerance!
By my standards, Hitler was a leftist, an intolerant control freak
leading a team of thugs. Not fundamentally different from Stalin or
Mao or Kim or Putin.
The rest of us are lucky not to be burdened with your standards.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:35:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that
wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every
month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>>and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >>>>non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
I stopped using gas decennia ago.
An other advantage is that if gas or electric supply is cut I can use my solar panels, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, and 2 kW pure
sinewave battery to mains converter..
Tested on the microwave and other stuff, works perfectly, keeps the fridge running too.
And satellite TV!
Fiber will be dead..
Amazing, 10 minutes microwave can do a lot! Not much power used!
Water cooker, few minutes for a liter boiling water.
You do not even have to skip your coffee...
Our gas and electricity are independent and both are very reliable.
The gas range can be ignited without electricity. And I have a propane
BBQ on the deck outside the kitchen. It has a nice view too.
Microwaves are good for thawing leftovers. We don't actually cook
anything in the microwave.
I also use it to heat up pizzas and other stuff stored in the deepfreeze
I do have a fire-starter and plenty of burnable stuff in the garden if all else fails :-)
Was just working in the garden this afternoon...
Removing stuff and planting nice new plants.
Few more month and the grapes are ready again.
Weather is nice.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>> and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>> like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and >>>not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house >>>in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker >>>got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we >>>spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house >>>had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the >>>Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm >>>house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the >>>director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she >>>was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
We have gas too, for heating.
It used to be here in the ground,.
Digging the gas caused earthquakes that damaged homes and people started crying for compensation.
So most of the gas fields here are now closed
Europe could get cheap gas from Russia via the Northstream2 pipeline
But US CIA clowns like 'lensky blew that pipeline up
so we had to buy US shipped gas.
Important point with gas central heating is that you ALSO need electricity for the system to work, pumps etc.
This house is now equipped with double insulated walls.
You can leave the gas heating off for large parts of the year, still need it for hot water when showering.
Many years ago as a kid we hat an electric hot water tank that always had the right temperature and a big oil tank buried in the garden for heating.
Even longer ago we had coal, even a big coal heater in the classrooms in primary school in Amsterdam.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:50:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On top of that big weapon manufacturing clubs all for profit
making wars all over the world, far from their bed, for profit.
Profit above moral.
Profit is profoundly moral.
So making a lot of profit by for example robbing banks is moral?
Somebody robs your store or abuses your patents?
Or like tramp does: abduct a president and steal Venezuela's oil for profit? >Blow up Northstream2 so you can make more profit selling you own natural gas? >Trying to grab Iran's oil?
Making wars everywhere so you can sell more weapons?
Better put the [homeless] people to work fixing your infrastructure, give them some housing,
THAT will increase the living standard and gain respect!
Now US is just a bunch of thieves and robbers and killers.
Disgusting!!!!
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and
not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house
in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker
got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we
spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house
had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the
Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm
house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the
director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she
was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
On 4/21/26 7:12 AM, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>> and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>> like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and
not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house >>> in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker
got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we
spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house
had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the
Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm
house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the
director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she
was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Coal gas in the UK was phased out in the '60s following the development
of north sea oil and gas. It is referred to as natural gas or North Sea Gas.
Gas burning appliances had to be modified as the gas to air needs for >methane (which is the main constituent of Natural Gas) are different
from the mixture contained in coal gas.
kw
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects. >>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that
wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers
every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live, >>>>>>>> eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>> and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>> surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>> like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and >>>>not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house >>>>in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker >>>>got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we >>>>spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house >>>>had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the >>>>Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm >>>>house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the >>>>director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she >>>>was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
We have gas too, for heating.
It used to be here in the ground,.
Digging the gas caused earthquakes that damaged homes and people started crying for compensation.
I remember the bumper sticker in Louisiana:
LET THE BASTARDS FREEZE IN THE DARK
So most of the gas fields here are now closed
Europe could get cheap gas from Russia via the Northstream2 pipeline
But US CIA clowns like 'lensky blew that pipeline up
so we had to buy US shipped gas.
The Ukranians are assumed to have blown up the pipeline. Well, Russia >attacked them first.
Important point with gas central heating is that you ALSO need electricity for the system to work, pumps etc.
This house is now equipped with double insulated walls.
You can leave the gas heating off for large parts of the year, still need it for hot water when showering.
Many years ago as a kid we hat an electric hot water tank that always had the right temperature and a big oil tank buried in
the garden for heating.
Even longer ago we had coal, even a big coal heater in the classrooms in primary school in Amsterdam.
Our water heater doesn't need electric power. The control is powered
by a thermocouple.
We do need power for the fan on the gas central heat, but it doesn't
get very cold here.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:19:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:35:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects. >>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that
wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers
every
month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live, >>>>>>>> eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>>>and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>>and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>>surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >>>>>non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>>like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
I stopped using gas decennia ago.
An other advantage is that if gas or electric supply is cut I can use my solar panels, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, and 2 kW
pure
sinewave battery to mains converter..
Tested on the microwave and other stuff, works perfectly, keeps the fridge running too.
And satellite TV!
Fiber will be dead..
Amazing, 10 minutes microwave can do a lot! Not much power used!
Water cooker, few minutes for a liter boiling water.
You do not even have to skip your coffee...
Our gas and electricity are independent and both are very reliable.
The gas range can be ignited without electricity. And I have a propane >>>BBQ on the deck outside the kitchen. It has a nice view too.
Microwaves are good for thawing leftovers. We don't actually cook >>>anything in the microwave.
I also use it to heat up pizzas and other stuff stored in the deepfreeze
It makes pizza soggy!
I do have a fire-starter and plenty of burnable stuff in the garden if all else fails :-)
Was just working in the garden this afternoon...
Removing stuff and planting nice new plants.
Few more month and the grapes are ready again.
Weather is nice.
Nice here too. We got a bit of rain, which is unusual this time of
year and welcome in what is legally a desert.
Things are so green now that it hurts your eyes.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t8xrbtv8omi6iu1y1v5m9/Penny_Lane.jpg?rlkey=264fssnj9iocd3rx33mb6jjqr&raw=1
but it won't rain much more until November so things will dry out.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:29:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:50:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On top of that big weapon manufacturing clubs all for profit
making wars all over the world, far from their bed, for profit.
Profit above moral.
Profit is profoundly moral.
So making a lot of profit by for example robbing banks is moral?
Somebody robs your store or abuses your patents?
Neither is profit. Just theft.
Profit is being more productive than what it costs to make things.
Profit is why we have clothes and shoes and houses and schools and
computers.
Or like tramp does: abduct a president and steal Venezuela's oil for profit? >>Blow up Northstream2 so you can make more profit selling you own natural gas? >>Trying to grab Iran's oil?
Making wars everywhere so you can sell more weapons?
Better put the [homeless] people to work fixing your infrastructure, give them some housing,
THAT will increase the living standard and gain respect!
Now US is just a bunch of thieves and robbers and killers.
Disgusting!!!!
Next time the Russians invade europe, don't ask us for help.
Two world wars and one cold war was enough.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
RL
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:19:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:35:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects. >>>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
From:More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment >>>>>>>>> without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live, >>>>>>>>> eat and breath.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that
wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers
every
month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife. >>>>>>>>>
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable
and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>>>and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>>>surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >>>>>>non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>>>like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
I stopped using gas decennia ago.
An other advantage is that if gas or electric supply is cut I can use my solar panels, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, and 2 kW
pure
sinewave battery to mains converter..
Tested on the microwave and other stuff, works perfectly, keeps the fridge running too.
And satellite TV!
Fiber will be dead..
Amazing, 10 minutes microwave can do a lot! Not much power used! >>>>>Water cooker, few minutes for a liter boiling water.
You do not even have to skip your coffee...
Our gas and electricity are independent and both are very reliable.
The gas range can be ignited without electricity. And I have a propane >>>>BBQ on the deck outside the kitchen. It has a nice view too.
Microwaves are good for thawing leftovers. We don't actually cook >>>>anything in the microwave.
I also use it to heat up pizzas and other stuff stored in the deepfreeze
It makes pizza soggy!
I usually buy some frozen Dr Oetker pizzas and put those in the deepfreeze.
https://www.folderz.nl/winkels/albert-heijn/aanbiedingen/alle-dr-oetker-ristorante-pizza-s-295-390-gram-aanbieding-28595865/
when dinner time take one I like, use the Whirlpool magnetron to defrost those, then use the Whirlppol oven.
Make my own toppings, usually bake some mushrooms with butter, chili peppers, garlic, salt, onions, white pepper powder in a pan,
put it on top of the Dr Oetker pizzas... add some apricots, olives, sometimes salad, some ketchup,
I do have a fire-starter and plenty of burnable stuff in the garden if all else fails :-)
Was just working in the garden this afternoon...
Removing stuff and planting nice new plants.
Few more month and the grapes are ready again.
Weather is nice.
Nice here too. We got a bit of rain, which is unusual this time of
year and welcome in what is legally a desert.
Things are so green now that it hurts your eyes.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t8xrbtv8omi6iu1y1v5m9/Penny_Lane.jpg?rlkey=264fssnj9iocd3rx33mb6jjqr&raw=1
Nice, work to do!
but it won't rain much more until November so things will dry out.
Sounds bad.. plenty of rain here, just a few miles from the sea
this week will be sunny and dry,
but later with wind from the sea likely more rain.
Groundwater is not ver deep here
Road here is lined with apple trees, hundreds laying about in summer !
It never rains in California...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq4WIjQxp0
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:05:17 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot
of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking
strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
Not a bit. Basically by definition, the left thinks they understand everything and need to control everything. And in real life, the left
defines the working class as peasants and idiots whose choices and
votes don't matter.
Leftists are intolerant elitists. And historical mass murders.
By my standards, Hitler was a leftist, an intolerant control freak
leading a team of thugs.
Not fundamentally different from Stalin or
Mao or Kim or Putin.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly
and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every
surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils
like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and
not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house
in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker
got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we
spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house
had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the
Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm
house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the
director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she
was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas?
Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects. >>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live, >>>>>>>> eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>> and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>> surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>> like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and >>>> not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house >>>> in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker
got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we >>>> spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house >>>> had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the
Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm >>>> house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the
director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she >>>> was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
We have gas too, for heating.
It used to be here in the ground,.
Digging the gas caused earthquakes that damaged homes and people started crying for compensation.
I remember the bumper sticker in Louisiana:
LET THE BASTARDS FREEZE IN THE DARK
So most of the gas fields here are now closed
Europe could get cheap gas from Russia via the Northstream2 pipeline
But US CIA clowns like 'lensky blew that pipeline up
so we had to buy US shipped gas.
The Ukranians are assumed to have blown up the pipeline. Well, Russia attacked them first.
Important point with gas central heating is that you ALSO need electricity for the system to work, pumps etc.
This house is now equipped with double insulated walls.
You can leave the gas heating off for large parts of the year, still need it for hot water when showering.
Many years ago as a kid we hat an electric hot water tank that always had the right temperature and a big oil tank buried in the garden for heating.
Even longer ago we had coal, even a big coal heater in the classrooms in primary school in Amsterdam.
Our water heater doesn't need electric power. The control is powered
by a thermocouple.
We do need power for the fan on the gas central heat, but it doesn't
get very cold here.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
On 21/04/2026 11:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:05:17 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote: >>>>>>
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot >>> of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking
strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
Not a bit. Basically by definition, the left thinks they understand
everything and need to control everything. And in real life, the left
defines the working class as peasants and idiots whose choices and
votes don't matter.
That's a bizarre misunderstanding of how left wing thinking works.
The fundamental point about left wing thinking is that they are
susceptible to the idea that current social organisation can be improved.
Some people have fixed ideas about what these improvements might be, but >that just makes them right-wing thinkers of an unconventional kind.
Leftists are intolerant elitists. And historical mass murders.
Anybody who think they know how society ought to be organised is putting >themselves forward as part of the elite who does that.
The international socialists were acting as an intolerant elite when
they expelled Karl Marx for his silly ideas about the leading role of
the Communist Party.
By my standards, Hitler was a leftist, an intolerant control freak
leading a team of thugs.
Your standards don't have a lot of connection with reality. His
antisemitism appealed to Henry Ford, who subsidised him - not somebody
who supported leftist thinking.
Not fundamentally different from Stalin or
Mao or Kim or Putin.
All of whom were supporters Karl Marx and his nasty ideas about "the
leading role of the party".
Once you got in for autocratic political organisnation, you start
killing people. It has taken Trump a while to get that much control, but >he's developing into something of a murderous thug,and encouraging his >supporters to behave just as badly.
If you want actual left wing thinking you have to go to northern Europe >where socialist coalition governments have been running most of the >countries for decade now. The coalitions are made up of parties that >support different visions of socialism, which they reconcile by open
debate. Sweden has done pretty well - it's pretty much unique in that
the children of single patents do just as well as the children of couples.
In the US wealth is now more heritable than height. That does suggest
that there are lot of clever people in the US who haven't been educated
well enough to let them fully exploit their talents.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects. >>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live, >>>>>>>> eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable >>>>>> and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>> and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>> surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good
non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>> like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and >>>>not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house >>>>in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker >>>>got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we >>>>spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house >>>>had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the >>>>Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm >>>>house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the >>>>director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she >>>>was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on
the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to
kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and
see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a
long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat
other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
We have gas too, for heating.
It used to be here in the ground,.
Digging the gas caused earthquakes that damaged homes and people started crying for compensation.
I remember the bumper sticker in Louisiana:
LET THE BASTARDS FREEZE IN THE DARK
So most of the gas fields here are now closed
Europe could get cheap gas from Russia via the Northstream2 pipeline
But US CIA clowns like 'lensky blew that pipeline up
so we had to buy US shipped gas.
The Ukranians are assumed to have blown up the pipeline. Well, Russia >attacked them first.
Important point with gas central heating is that you ALSO need electricity for the system to work, pumps etc.
This house is now equipped with double insulated walls.
You can leave the gas heating off for large parts of the year, still need it for hot water when showering.
Many years ago as a kid we hat an electric hot water tank that always had the right temperature and a big oil tank buried in the garden for heating.
Even longer ago we had coal, even a big coal heater in the classrooms in primary school in Amsterdam.
Our water heater doesn't need electric power. The control is powered
by a thermocouple.
We do need power for the fan on the gas central heat, but it doesn't
get very cold here.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
<https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/>
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects. >>>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
From:More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment >>>>>>>>> without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live, >>>>>>>>> eat and breath.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers that
wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers
every month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife. >>>>>>>>>
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable
and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>>> and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>>> surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >>>>>> non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>>> like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
The problem was notorious in the UK. Extractor fans are rare there, and >>>>>not easy to fit. We did have one over the island cooker in our big house >>>>>in the Netherlands, and the fumes collected above the electric cooker >>>>>got piped up to the ceiling and piped across to an outside wall, but we >>>>>spent a lot of money reworking the kitchen and dining area. That house >>>>>had been originally been built in 1936 for a prominent member of the >>>>>Dutch national socialist party, on the foundations of a much older farm >>>>>house, so the reworking was pretty much essential. My wife - as the >>>>>director of a Max Planck Institute in Nijmegen - wanted house where she >>>>>was seen as the hostess rather than the cook.
Is the gas in the UK real natural gas? Do they still make that
dreadful coal gas? In the old murder mysteries, people would turn on >>>>the gas lights, or stick pretty ladies' heads in unlighted ovens, to >>>>kill them from the CO.
Ours burns very clean, nice blue flame. I can wipe down the walls and >>>>see no soot.
Our main wall crud is a few spider webs. We have a puffy thing on a >>>>long stick to get those every few months. Since they catch and eat >>>>other bugs, we don't kill the spiders themselves.
We have gas too, for heating.
It used to be here in the ground,.
Digging the gas caused earthquakes that damaged homes and people started crying for compensation.
I remember the bumper sticker in Louisiana:
LET THE BASTARDS FREEZE IN THE DARK
So most of the gas fields here are now closed
Europe could get cheap gas from Russia via the Northstream2 pipeline
But US CIA clowns like 'lensky blew that pipeline up
so we had to buy US shipped gas.
The Ukranians are assumed to have blown up the pipeline. Well, Russia >>attacked them first.
Important point with gas central heating is that you ALSO need electricity for the system to work, pumps etc.
This house is now equipped with double insulated walls.
You can leave the gas heating off for large parts of the year, still need it for hot water when showering.
Many years ago as a kid we hat an electric hot water tank that always had the right temperature and a big oil tank buried in
the garden for heating.
Even longer ago we had coal, even a big coal heater in the classrooms in primary school in Amsterdam.
Our water heater doesn't need electric power. The control is powered
by a thermocouple.
We do need power for the fan on the gas central heat, but it doesn't
get very cold here.
Does it not use a pump for the heated water and a normal electronic thermostat in the living room?
Mine does, and it shows temperature and setpoint on an LCD.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
I agree with that, leave it to the greens and we will all live in tents and caves and burn wood, or just freeze.
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:55:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:Not in this town. Not even fireplaces.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
RL
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
RL
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:55:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:19:03 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:It makes pizza soggy!
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:35:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:They don't work all that well, but we are used to the side-effects. >>>>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment >>>>>>>>>> without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live, >>>>>>>>>> eat and breath.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous
for
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them shedding tiny plastic fibers
that
wash into
water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers
every
month,
potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife. >>>>>>>>>>
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up. >>>>>>>>
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
It is an expensive luxury.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
They are remarkably difficult to control. Electric ovens do offer stable
and predictable temperatures, and a microwave oven heats food rapidly >>>>>>>>and uniformly, if that's what you want.
Gas cookers have a nasty habit of leaving a layer of soot on every >>>>>>>>surface in the kitchen, and that probably includes your lungs.
I never noticed any soot or gunk from our natural-gas range. A good >>>>>>>non-smoking oil is recommended for frying, pecan or sesame. Cheap oils >>>>>>>like corn or canola smoke.
We have fan vents over the range too.
I stopped using gas decennia ago.
An other advantage is that if gas or electric supply is cut I can use my solar panels, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, and 2 kW
pure
sinewave battery to mains converter..
Tested on the microwave and other stuff, works perfectly, keeps the fridge running too.
And satellite TV!
Fiber will be dead..
Amazing, 10 minutes microwave can do a lot! Not much power used! >>>>>>Water cooker, few minutes for a liter boiling water.
You do not even have to skip your coffee...
Our gas and electricity are independent and both are very reliable. >>>>>The gas range can be ignited without electricity. And I have a propane >>>>>BBQ on the deck outside the kitchen. It has a nice view too.
Microwaves are good for thawing leftovers. We don't actually cook >>>>>anything in the microwave.
I also use it to heat up pizzas and other stuff stored in the deepfreeze >>>
I usually buy some frozen Dr Oetker pizzas and put those in the deepfreeze. >> https://www.folderz.nl/winkels/albert-heijn/aanbiedingen/alle-dr-oetker-ristorante-pizza-s-295-390-gram-aanbieding-28595865/
when dinner time take one I like, use the Whirlpool magnetron to defrost those, then use the Whirlppol oven.
Make my own toppings, usually bake some mushrooms with butter, chili peppers, garlic, salt, onions, white pepper powder in a
pan,
put it on top of the Dr Oetker pizzas... add some apricots, olives, sometimes salad, some ketchup,
The Canyon Market down the hill sells bags of freshly made pizza
dough. We like their sourdough.
We roll that out and add a bit of Mo's tomato sauce, which she makes
from cherry tomatoes; my job is to whup it up with my hand blender. We
add good cheese and red onions and garlic and some green stuff. I like >sausage on my half.
It bakes for 12 minutes at 450F, until a couple bits around the edge
bubble up black.
I do have a fire-starter and plenty of burnable stuff in the garden if all else fails :-)
Was just working in the garden this afternoon...
Removing stuff and planting nice new plants.
Few more month and the grapes are ready again.
Weather is nice.
Nice here too. We got a bit of rain, which is unusual this time of
year and welcome in what is legally a desert.
Things are so green now that it hurts your eyes.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t8xrbtv8omi6iu1y1v5m9/Penny_Lane.jpg?rlkey=264fssnj9iocd3rx33mb6jjqr&raw=1
Nice, work to do!
I opened a design office down in the village, so I can hike to work
and not drive the dreadful freeway and park downtown.
I walk mostly on lanes, little mid-block dirt roads like in the pic.
Penny Lane, Poppy Lane, Ohlone Way, and the canyon greenbelt.
It's a bunch of vertical feet, good exercize after clicking a mouse
all day.
We have a policy that if you get suck on something, take a walk.
Here's our conference room:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
but it won't rain much more until November so things will dry out.
Sounds bad.. plenty of rain here, just a few miles from the sea
this week will be sunny and dry,
but later with wind from the sea likely more rain.
Groundwater is not ver deep here
Road here is lined with apple trees, hundreds laying about in summer !
It never rains in California...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq4WIjQxp0
Gosh, those were the days.
Around here, it usually doesn't rain between April and November. It
rains more up north, and east in the Sierras.
Some of the plants survive by absorbing the fog through their leaves.
We almost never get ESD zaps here. Or lightning.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Europe is de-industrializing and de-civilizing. Cultural suicide.
What's surprising is that ginormous semi fabs are being built in the US South.
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 01:52:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 11:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:05:17 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote: >>>>>>>
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way >>>>>>>>> to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5
minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot >>>> of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking
strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
Not a bit. Basically by definition, the left thinks they understand
everything and need to control everything. And in real life, the left
defines the working class as peasants and idiots whose choices and
votes don't matter.
That's a bizarre misunderstanding of how left wing thinking works.
The fundamental point about left wing thinking is that they are
susceptible to the idea that current social organisation can be improved.
Some people have fixed ideas about what these improvements might be, but
that just makes them right-wing thinkers of an unconventional kind.
Leftists are intolerant elitists. And historical mass murders.
Anybody who think they know how society ought to be organised is putting
themselves forward as part of the elite who does that.
The international socialists were acting as an intolerant elite when
they expelled Karl Marx for his silly ideas about the leading role of
the Communist Party.
By my standards, Hitler was a leftist, an intolerant control freak
leading a team of thugs.
Your standards don't have a lot of connection with reality. His
antisemitism appealed to Henry Ford, who subsidised him - not somebody
who supported leftist thinking.
Not fundamentally different from Stalin or
Mao or Kim or Putin.
All of whom were supporters Karl Marx and his nasty ideas about "the
leading role of the party".
When I worked in the USSR, I had a minder, a lady who took care of me
and helped me get things done. When she whipped out her special red
Party card, people would literally shake in fear. She must have been important.
I liked her.
Once you got in for autocratic political organisnation, you start
killing people. It has taken Trump a while to get that much control, but
he's developing into something of a murderous thug,and encouraging his
supporters to behave just as badly.
If you want actual left wing thinking you have to go to northern Europe
where socialist coalition governments have been running most of the
countries for decade now. The coalitions are made up of parties that
support different visions of socialism, which they reconcile by open
debate. Sweden has done pretty well - it's pretty much unique in that
the children of single patents do just as well as the children of couples.
Political parties are power brokers against the power of the people.
When the US Constitution was written, it was proposed that political
parties have no official recognition in governing or in elections.
They chose wrong.
In the US wealth is now more heritable than height. That does suggest
that there are lot of clever people in the US who haven't been educated
well enough to let them fully exploit their talents.
We do pretty well, as far as inventions go.
Many of the best inventions were from people without college degrees.
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:21:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Does it not use a pump for the heated water and a normal electronic thermostat in the living room?
The water heater is gas fired, and the water pressure comes into the
house from the street. SF has gravity-feed reservoirs so we have hot
and cold water pressure even if there is a big power failure.
House heat is gas fired and forced-air, so that needs electricity.
Most new houses have "radiant heat" which needs electricity too.
Mine does, and it shows temperature and setpoint on an LCD.
Yeah, we have one of those complex digital thermosats with a lot of
buttons and states. I plan to replace it with a classic dial unit.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
I agree with that, leave it to the greens and we will all live in tents and caves and burn wood, or just freeze.
Europe is de-industrializing and de-civilizing. Cultural suicide.
What's surprising is that ginormous semi fabs are being built in the
US South.
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 08:11:12 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:55:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:Not in this town. Not even fireplaces.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>> Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them|ore4rCYshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
RL
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
We have a gas fireplace with ceramic logs. It's romantic but not very thermally efficient.
Our neighbor has basically the same house but converted his fireplace
to LEDs, operated from a phone app.
On 23/04/2026 2:38 am, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 01:52:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 11:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:05:17 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote: >>>>>>>>
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5 >>>>>>>> minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot >>>>> of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking >>>>> strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>>>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
Not a bit. Basically by definition, the left thinks they understand
everything and need to control everything. And in real life, the left
defines the working class as peasants and idiots whose choices and
votes don't matter.
That's a bizarre misunderstanding of how left wing thinking works.
The fundamental point about left wing thinking is that they are
susceptible to the idea that current social organisation can be improved. >>>
Some people have fixed ideas about what these improvements might be, but >>> that just makes them right-wing thinkers of an unconventional kind.
Leftists are intolerant elitists. And historical mass murders.
Anybody who think they know how society ought to be organised is putting >>> themselves forward as part of the elite who does that.
The international socialists were acting as an intolerant elite when
they expelled Karl Marx for his silly ideas about the leading role of
the Communist Party.
By my standards, Hitler was a leftist, an intolerant control freak
leading a team of thugs.
Your standards don't have a lot of connection with reality. His
antisemitism appealed to Henry Ford, who subsidised him - not somebody
who supported leftist thinking.
Not fundamentally different from Stalin or
Mao or Kim or Putin.
All of whom were supporters Karl Marx and his nasty ideas about "the
leading role of the party".
When I worked in the USSR, I had a minder, a lady who took care of me
and helped me get things done. When she whipped out her special red
Party card, people would literally shake in fear. She must have been
important.
I liked her.
Not something that you ought to admit.
Once you got in for autocratic political organisnation, you startPolitical parties are power brokers against the power of the people.
killing people. It has taken Trump a while to get that much control, but >>> he's developing into something of a murderous thug,and encouraging his
supporters to behave just as badly.
If you want actual left wing thinking you have to go to northern Europe
where socialist coalition governments have been running most of the
countries for decade now. The coalitions are made up of parties that
support different visions of socialism, which they reconcile by open
debate. Sweden has done pretty well - it's pretty much unique in that
the children of single patents do just as well as the children of couples. >>
They frequently are. The democratic ideal is to make them representative
of the interests of the population as whole, but special interest groups
do try to subvert that,
When the US Constitution was written, it was proposed that political
parties have no official recognition in governing or in elections.
They chose wrong.
It took about a hundred years of political development to get a system
where multi-party coalition governments could run countries.
The US hasn't changed it's electoral system to allow this to happen.
Neither has the UK. Australia got most of the way. 1900 seems to have
been the watershed - countries that seriously amended their
constitutions after that date do seem to be able accommodate this.
In the US wealth is now more heritable than height. That does suggest
that there are lot of clever people in the US who haven't been educated
well enough to let them fully exploit their talents.
We do pretty well, as far as inventions go.
By importing smart people from other countries.
Many of the best inventions were from people without college degrees.
Name one. Lots of the inventions that you seem to value date from a time >where very few people went to college. Edison didn't. Nicola Tesla did,
but never graduated. He seems to have been cleverer that Edison, but
rather less sane.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 16:51:50 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 23/04/2026 2:38 am, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 01:52:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 11:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 01:05:17 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:17:57 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:10 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 21:40:34 -0700, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
Essentially every piece in the NYT, in all the sections, mentions >>>>>>>>>>> Trump, and never in a nice way.
They couldn't publish a blueberry muffin recipe without finding a way
to insult Trump.
The truth insults Trump.
If the NYT held its silence, the very blueberries
of the earth would cry out.
I don't blame him for defunding NPR. If I turn on the local station, >>>>>>>>> KQED, chances are that I'll hear Tump insulted by name within 5 >>>>>>>>> minutes.
If you listen to Trump talking or posting, chances are you'll hear a lot >>>>>> of people being insulted by name in less than 5 minutes.
I've never heard another adult leader talking like "open the fucking >>>>>> strait, you crazy bastards". Have you?
Unfortunately, when electorate picks a defective president, the public >>>>>>>> media has a duty and an obligation to point this out.
The Left doesn't believe in democracy.
Your being facetious, right?
Not a bit. Basically by definition, the left thinks they understand
everything and need to control everything. And in real life, the left >>>>> defines the working class as peasants and idiots whose choices and
votes don't matter.
That's a bizarre misunderstanding of how left wing thinking works.
The fundamental point about left wing thinking is that they are
susceptible to the idea that current social organisation can be improved. >>>>
Some people have fixed ideas about what these improvements might be, but >>>> that just makes them right-wing thinkers of an unconventional kind.
Leftists are intolerant elitists. And historical mass murders.
Anybody who think they know how society ought to be organised is putting >>>> themselves forward as part of the elite who does that.
The international socialists were acting as an intolerant elite when
they expelled Karl Marx for his silly ideas about the leading role of
the Communist Party.
By my standards, Hitler was a leftist, an intolerant control freak
leading a team of thugs.
Your standards don't have a lot of connection with reality. His
antisemitism appealed to Henry Ford, who subsidised him - not somebody >>>> who supported leftist thinking.
Not fundamentally different from Stalin or
Mao or Kim or Putin.
All of whom were supporters Karl Marx and his nasty ideas about "the
leading role of the party".
When I worked in the USSR, I had a minder, a lady who took care of me
and helped me get things done. When she whipped out her special red
Party card, people would literally shake in fear. She must have been
important.
I liked her.
Not something that you ought to admit.
Why not? She was very nice. I wasn't her fault that people were afraid
of senior Party members.
Once you got in for autocratic political organisnation, you startPolitical parties are power brokers against the power of the people.
killing people. It has taken Trump a while to get that much control, but >>>> he's developing into something of a murderous thug,and encouraging his >>>> supporters to behave just as badly.
If you want actual left wing thinking you have to go to northern Europe >>>> where socialist coalition governments have been running most of the
countries for decade now. The coalitions are made up of parties that
support different visions of socialism, which they reconcile by open
debate. Sweden has done pretty well - it's pretty much unique in that
the children of single patents do just as well as the children of couples. >>>
They frequently are. The democratic ideal is to make them representative
of the interests of the population as whole, but special interest groups
do try to subvert that,
When the US Constitution was written, it was proposed that political
parties have no official recognition in governing or in elections.
They chose wrong.
It took about a hundred years of political development to get a system
where multi-party coalition governments could run countries.
Pity it didn't take a million.
The US hasn't changed it's electoral system to allow this to happen.
Neither has the UK. Australia got most of the way. 1900 seems to have
been the watershed - countries that seriously amended their
constitutions after that date do seem to be able accommodate this.
In the US wealth is now more heritable than height. That does suggest
that there are lot of clever people in the US who haven't been educated >>>> well enough to let them fully exploit their talents.
We do pretty well, as far as inventions go.
By importing smart people from other countries.
There is that: smart people come here for the freedom to invent, to
make billions or get Nobel prizes.
But Edison and the Wright brothers and DeForest and Farnsworth and
Gates and Jobs and the google and Facebook guys were natives and not academics.
Many of the best inventions were from people without college degrees.
Name one. Lots of the inventions that you seem to value date from a time
where very few people went to college. Edison didn't. Nicola Tesla did,
but never graduated. He seems to have been cleverer that Edison, but
rather less sane.
I have brainstormed with Nasa folks, NMR PhDs, semi fab founders,
laser fusion people, jet engine people, all sorts of stuff. What's
impressive is that most of them were interested in ideas and not
credentials.
I think that Germany has too much respect for titles and degrees and
too little tolerance for novel ideas. That slows them down.
After the US, the Brits seem friendly to new ideas. France, not so
much.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
Europe is de-industrializing and de-civilizing. Cultural suicide.
What's surprising is that ginormous semi fabs are being built in the US South.
Na, it is industrializing its military related industry...
It is about time we dump that noisy F35 'merry can
and build a better one for ourselves.
On 23/04/2026 3:13 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:21:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
<snip>
Does it not use a pump for the heated water and a normal electronic thermostat in the living room?
The water heater is gas fired, and the water pressure comes into the
house from the street. SF has gravity-feed reservoirs so we have hot
and cold water pressure even if there is a big power failure.
House heat is gas fired and forced-air, so that needs electricity.
Most new houses have "radiant heat" which needs electricity too.
Mine does, and it shows temperature and setpoint on an LCD.
Yeah, we have one of those complex digital thermosats with a lot of
buttons and states. I plan to replace it with a classic dial unit.
You'd be wiser to get educated to the point where you could understand
the more complicated display, but wisdom is hard to acquire,
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
I agree with that, leave it to the greens and we will all live in tents and caves and burn wood, or just freeze.
Those "greens" are are cartoon invention of the climate change denial >propaganda machine. China is investing hugely in wind an solar power to
the point where their carbon emissions are starting got fall.
They aren't starving or living in cave, and their BYD electric cars with >their blade batteries are wipi8ng the floor with Tesla.
Europe is de-industrializing and de-civilizing. Cultural suicide.
Only an under-educated Americasn could be silly enough to make a claim
like that.
What's surprising is that ginormous semi fabs are being built in the
US South.
By Taiwanese companies. With Trump's primitive ideas about economics, he
can be persuaded to pay for them.
On 23/04/2026 3:18 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 08:11:12 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:55:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>Not in this town. Not even fireplaces.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>>> Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
More to the point, they're added to the immediate environment
without planetary dilution or dispersal . . . .where you live,
eat and breath.
As do those from all domestic sources . . .
RL
You are allowed to use natural sponges or cotton rags for washing up.
And to dress in all natural fabrics.
And cook over a wood or dung fire.
We have a gas fireplace with ceramic logs. It's romantic but not very
thermally efficient.
Our neighbor has basically the same house but converted his fireplace
to LEDs, operated from a phone app.
Europe has a population density of about 400 people per square
kilometre. If you have a fireplace it needs to burn smokeless fuel.
The US is at 40 people per square km. It can get away with more air >pollution.
Australia is at 4 people per square km. It's also one of the most
urbanised countries in the world, but bush-fire smoke - most of it from >hazard reduction burns carried out outside the bush-fire season - is the >major source of air-pollution.
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:08:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 23/04/2026 3:13 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:21:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Those "greens" are are cartoon invention of the climate change denial
propaganda machine. China is investing hugely in wind an solar power to
the point where their carbon emissions are starting got fall.
By Taiwanese companies. With Trump's primitive ideas about economics, he
can be persuaded to pay for them.
Intel is not Taiwanese. But TSMC building a fab in the US South is interesting. It's not going to be built in Europe or Australia.
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:08:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 23/04/2026 3:13 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:21:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
<snip>
Does it not use a pump for the heated water and a normal electronic thermostat in the living room?
The water heater is gas fired, and the water pressure comes into the
house from the street. SF has gravity-feed reservoirs so we have hot
and cold water pressure even if there is a big power failure.
House heat is gas fired and forced-air, so that needs electricity.
Most new houses have "radiant heat" which needs electricity too.
Mine does, and it shows temperature and setpoint on an LCD.
Yeah, we have one of those complex digital thermosats with a lot of
buttons and states. I plan to replace it with a classic dial unit.
You'd be wiser to get educated to the point where you could understand
the more complicated display, but wisdom is hard to acquire,
Why care about states and push a bunch or buttons incrementally and
look at a cheap LCD in a dark hallway, when you can twist a knob a
couple of degrees.
I think and hope that cars are going back to analog controls, knobs to
turn, instead of crazy complex touch screens.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
I agree with that, leave it to the greens and we will all live in tents and caves and burn wood, or just freeze.
Those "greens" are are cartoon invention of the climate change denial
propaganda machine. China is investing hugely in wind an solar power to
the point where their carbon emissions are starting got fall.
They aren't starving or living in cave, and their BYD electric cars with
their blade batteries are wiping the floor with Tesla.
Europe is de-industrializing and de-civilizing. Cultural suicide.
Only an under-educated American could be silly enough to make a claim
like that.
Or someone who keeps up with the news.
What's surprising is that ginormous semi fabs are being built in the
US South.
By Taiwanese companies. With Trump's primitive ideas about economics, he
can be persuaded to pay for them.
Intel is not Taiwanese.
But TSMC building a fab in the US South is
interesting. It's not going to be built in Europe or Australia.
Or in Taiwan.
Am 23.04.26 um 20:14 schrieb john larkin:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:08:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 23/04/2026 3:13 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:21:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
.......
Those "greens" are are cartoon invention of the climate change denial
propaganda machine. China is investing hugely in wind an solar power to
the point where their carbon emissions are starting got fall.
As of last year, they were building 300 coal power generating stations >worldwide. They build everything that can be sold for money.
Last month, Trump paid for NOT using a mostly finished wind farm
on your east coast.
On 24/04/2026 4:14 am, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:08:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 23/04/2026 3:13 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 07:21:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:11:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:35:48 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>wrote:
On 21/04/2026 5:07 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:35:20 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 21/04/2026 12:55 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:07:05 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
<snip>
Does it not use a pump for the heated water and a normal electronic thermostat in the living room?
The water heater is gas fired, and the water pressure comes into the
house from the street. SF has gravity-feed reservoirs so we have hot
and cold water pressure even if there is a big power failure.
House heat is gas fired and forced-air, so that needs electricity.
Most new houses have "radiant heat" which needs electricity too.
Mine does, and it shows temperature and setpoint on an LCD.
Yeah, we have one of those complex digital thermosats with a lot of
buttons and states. I plan to replace it with a classic dial unit.
You'd be wiser to get educated to the point where you could understand
the more complicated display, but wisdom is hard to acquire,
Why care about states and push a bunch or buttons incrementally and
look at a cheap LCD in a dark hallway, when you can twist a knob a
couple of degrees.
You can back-light an LCD when necessary. Twisting a knob is a more >expensive option than pushing up and down sensing pads.
I think and hope that cars are going back to analog controls, knobs to
turn, instead of crazy complex touch screens.
I have 2 microwave ovens, one a big Whirlpool (make name) with electric oven and grill and all sorts of programs
using it all the time.
On the other hand just recently (likely due to all the world tension about fuel) digging
for more gas in the Northsea just a few miles away seems to have been given the go-ahead here if I understood the news right.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/04/second-north-sea-gas-well-takes-production-to-1-billion-m3/
Europe had better ease off on the greenie thing.
I agree with that, leave it to the greens and we will all live in tents and caves and burn wood, or just freeze.
Those "greens" are are cartoon invention of the climate change denial
propaganda machine. China is investing hugely in wind an solar power to
the point where their carbon emissions are starting got fall.
They aren't starving or living in cave, and their BYD electric cars with >>> their blade batteries are wiping the floor with Tesla.
Europe is de-industrializing and de-civilizing. Cultural suicide.
Only an under-educated American could be silly enough to make a claim
like that.
Or someone who keeps up with the news.
The news that is being delivered to Americans to induce a particular
state of mind - one that is happier with the American situation than a >better-informed citizen might be.
What's surprising is that ginormous semi fabs are being built in the
US South.
By Taiwanese companies. With Trump's primitive ideas about economics, he >>> can be persuaded to pay for them.
Intel is not Taiwanese.
It's not cutting edge either, and hasn't been for a while.
But TSMC building a fab in the US South is
interesting. It's not going to be built in Europe or Australia.
Europe has it own fabs. Australia is too small a market to support a
modern fab. We did have our own fab in the 1980's. Cambridge Instruments >sold them one of the EBMF 10.5 electron-beam microfabricators that I'd >worked on. When the reps came back they told me than my younger brother
had negotiated the $500 million contract between AWA and Lend-Lease to
build the structure. He worked for Lend-Lease before he went off to run
the Sydney Olympic games.
The fab was still running until about 2020 when the lease on the site
ran out.
Or in Taiwan.
Taiwan already has a TSMC fab. Why would they need another?
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
The gulf, like lots of other places, has natural seeps of oil and
methane. And there's a corresponding food chain evolved to gobble it
all up.
Biology exploits almost any possible food source.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691236119
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>>Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic >>>>things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters >>>>down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
The gulf, like lots of other places, has natural seeps of oil and
methane. And there's a corresponding food chain evolved to gobble it
all up.
Biology exploits almost any possible food source.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691236119
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You're very selective in your choice of reading material.
It used to take a world war or two to produce tar balls
on the beaches. Today it's 'normal'.
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers >>>>>> Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them|ore4rCYshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
The gulf, like lots of other places, has natural seeps of oil and
methane. And there's a corresponding food chain evolved to gobble it
all up.
Biology exploits almost any possible food source.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691236119
You're very selective in your choice of reading material.
Not a bit. I read all sorts of stuff.
It used to take a world war or two to produce tar balls
on the beaches. Today it's 'normal'.
In many places, it's been normal for millions of years. There just
weren't many greenies around to shriek about it.
On 29/04/2026 12:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic >>>>>> things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed. >>>>>>
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters >>>>>> down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
The gulf, like lots of other places, has natural seeps of oil and
methane. And there's a corresponding food chain evolved to gobble it
all up.
Biology exploits almost any possible food source.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691236119
You're very selective in your choice of reading material.
Not a bit. I read all sorts of stuff.
But it does seem to included a lot of climate change denial propaganda.
There was your recent quote from Breitbart the made the film "the Day
after Tomorrow" about a new ice age, rather than a re-run of the Younger >Dryas.
It used to take a world war or two to produce tar balls
on the beaches. Today it's 'normal'.
In many places, it's been normal for millions of years. There just
weren't many greenies around to shriek about it.
The ones that showed up Sydney's beaches recently weren't in the least >normal. It took a bit of forensic chemisty to find where they were
coming from, and the answer was from the sewage system - not from
regular use, but when sudden torrential downpours overloaded the sewage >collection system, And some unprocessed stuff ended up getting washed
out to sea and washed back up onto the beaches.
We've actually been reworking the storm water system to stop that
happening in recent years, but global warming has made torrential
downfalls more common at a faster rate than the storm water system, was >getting cleaned up.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 03:42:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/04/2026 12:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use them|ore4rCYshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic >>>>>>> things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed. >>>>>>>
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters >>>>>>> down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
The gulf, like lots of other places, has natural seeps of oil and
methane. And there's a corresponding food chain evolved to gobble it >>>>> all up.
Biology exploits almost any possible food source.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691236119
You're very selective in your choice of reading material.
Not a bit. I read all sorts of stuff.
But it does seem to included a lot of climate change denial propaganda.
I don't think I've ever read a book about that. Sounds boring.
There was your recent quote from Breitbart the made the film "the Day
after Tomorrow" about a new ice age, rather than a re-run of the Younger
Dryas.
It used to take a world war or two to produce tar balls
on the beaches. Today it's 'normal'.
In many places, it's been normal for millions of years. There just
weren't many greenies around to shriek about it.
The ones that showed up Sydney's beaches recently weren't in the least
normal. It took a bit of forensic chemisty to find where they were
coming from, and the answer was from the sewage system - not from
regular use, but when sudden torrential downpours overloaded the sewage
collection system, and some unprocessed stuff ended up getting washed
out to sea and washed back up onto the beaches.
We've actually been reworking the storm water system to stop that
happening in recent years, but global warming has made torrential
downfalls more common at a faster rate than the storm water system, was
getting cleaned up.
https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/cdo-rainfall-feature.shtml
1973 looks like the wettest year. "The big dry" was early 2000's.
Late 1800s were pretty wet.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 03:42:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:wrote:
On 29/04/2026 12:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>
<jl@glen--canyon.com>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin
<alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje
microplastic fiberswrote:
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm
Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of
effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down asYour |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That |ore4+omagic|ore4? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for
Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic
things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed.
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters
down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
The gulf, like lots of other places, has natural seeps of oil and
methane. And there's a corresponding food chain evolved to gobble it
all up.
Biology exploits almost any possible food source.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691236119
You're very selective in your choice of reading material.
Not a bit. I read all sorts of stuff.
But it does seem to included a lot of climate change denial propaganda.
I don't think I've ever read a book about that. Sounds boring.
There was your recent quote from Breitbart the made the film "the Day
after Tomorrow" about a new ice age, rather than a re-run of the Younger
Dryas.
It used to take a world war or two to produce tar balls
on the beaches. Today it's 'normal'.
In many places, it's been normal for millions of years. There just
weren't many greenies around to shriek about it.
The ones that showed up Sydney's beaches recently weren't in the least
normal. It took a bit of forensic chemisty to find where they were
coming from, and the answer was from the sewage system - not from
regular use, but when sudden torrential downpours overloaded the sewage
collection system, And some unprocessed stuff ended up getting washed
out to sea and washed back up onto the beaches.
We've actually been reworking the storm water system to stop that
happening in recent years, but global warming has made torrential
downfalls more common at a faster rate than the storm water system, was
getting cleaned up.
https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/cdo-rainfall-feature.shtml
1973 looks like the wettest year. "The big dry" was early 2000's.
Late 1800s were pretty wet.
John Larkin--- Synchronet 3.21f-Linux NewsLink 1.2
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
On 29/04/2026 5:51 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 03:42:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/04/2026 12:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:Not ALL the 'critters' . . . . and not all the oil.
From:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260417085404.htm >>>>>>>>> Common cleaning sponge found to release trillions of microplastic fibers
Your rCLmagicrC? sponge might be quietly adding trillions of microplastics to the planet.
Date:
April 18, 2026
Source:
American Chemical Society
Summary:
That rCLmagicrC? sponge under your sink may be hiding an environmental downside. While melamine sponges are famous for effortlessly scrubbing away stubborn stains, they slowly break down as you use themrCoshedding tiny plastic fibers that wash into water systems. Researchers estimate that globally, these sponges could release over a trillion microplastic fibers every month, potentially entering the food chain and affecting wildlife.
There are about 1e31 bacteria on Earth. A few trilion microplastic >>>>>>>> things don't matter. The bacteria will eat them; food chain indeed. >>>>>>>>
I wasn't worried about that big oil spill in the Gulf. The critters >>>>>>>> down there love oil.
Don't worry. If you can't see it in your back yard, today, it
probably isn't there.
RL
The gulf, like lots of other places, has natural seeps of oil and
methane. And there's a corresponding food chain evolved to gobble it >>>>>> all up.
Biology exploits almost any possible food source.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691236119
You're very selective in your choice of reading material.
Not a bit. I read all sorts of stuff.
But it does seem to included a lot of climate change denial propaganda.
I don't think I've ever read a book about that. Sounds boring.
There was your recent quote from Breitbart the made the film "the Day
after Tomorrow" about a new ice age, rather than a re-run of the Younger >>> Dryas.
It used to take a world war or two to produce tar balls
on the beaches. Today it's 'normal'.
In many places, it's been normal for millions of years. There just
weren't many greenies around to shriek about it.
The ones that showed up Sydney's beaches recently weren't in the least
normal. It took a bit of forensic chemisty to find where they were
coming from, and the answer was from the sewage system - not from
regular use, but when sudden torrential downpours overloaded the sewage
collection system, and some unprocessed stuff ended up getting washed
out to sea and washed back up onto the beaches.
We've actually been reworking the storm water system to stop that
happening in recent years, but global warming has made torrential
downfalls more common at a faster rate than the storm water system, was
getting cleaned up.
https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/cdo-rainfall-feature.shtml
1973 looks like the wettest year. "The big dry" was early 2000's.
Late 1800s were pretty wet.
It's not the annual rainfall that matters, but how much rain falls in a >couple of hours. "Torrential" rain fills up drainage channels and
creeks, and floods everything.
Global warming means more water vapour in the atmosphere, and if it all >happens to fall out of the atmosphere in a hurry you've got higher peak >run-off than you were used to.
The link you posted can give you that information, if you ask for it,
but such flooding can be very local.
I know about our local storm water system because our local streets are >quite steep and several of them got severely dug up a few years ago when
the storm water run-off got separated from the sewage system. The roads >weren't closed but there'd be a twenty foot deep trench down one side of
the road for couple of weeks.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:58:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/04/2026 5:51 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 03:42:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/04/2026 12:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/cdo-rainfall-feature.shtml
1973 looks like the wettest year. "The big dry" was early 2000's.
Late 1800s were pretty wet.
It's not the annual rainfall that matters, but how much rain falls in a
couple of hours. "Torrential" rain fills up drainage channels and
creeks, and floods everything.
Global warming means more water vapour in the atmosphere, and if it all
happens to fall out of the atmosphere in a hurry you've got higher peak
run-off than you were used to.
The link you posted can give you that information, if you ask for it,
but such flooding can be very local.
I know about our local storm water system because our local streets are
quite steep and several of them got severely dug up a few years ago when
the storm water run-off got separated from the sewage system. The roads
weren't closed but there'd be a twenty foot deep trench down one side of
the road for couple of weeks.
That sounds like a political problem, poor infrastructure maintenance.
We have hills here that funnel rainfall into low spots, like the end
of Cayuga Avenue and a low spot on 17th st. Rainfall is variable
everywhere.
The trick is to keep all the local street drains clear and working so
the funnel effect doesn't happen.
Naturally the politicians blame climate change.
On 30/04/2026 1:25 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:58:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/04/2026 5:51 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 03:42:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 29/04/2026 12:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
<snip>
https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/cdo-rainfall-feature.shtml
1973 looks like the wettest year. "The big dry" was early 2000's.
Late 1800s were pretty wet.
It's not the annual rainfall that matters, but how much rain falls in a
couple of hours. "Torrential" rain fills up drainage channels and
creeks, and floods everything.
Global warming means more water vapour in the atmosphere, and if it all
happens to fall out of the atmosphere in a hurry you've got higher peak
run-off than you were used to.
The link you posted can give you that information, if you ask for it,
but such flooding can be very local.
I know about our local storm water system because our local streets are
quite steep and several of them got severely dug up a few years ago when >>> the storm water run-off got separated from the sewage system. The roads
weren't closed but there'd be a twenty foot deep trench down one side of >>> the road for couple of weeks.
That sounds like a political problem, poor infrastructure maintenance.
That wasn't the problem. It was more poor system design about a century
ago, and hadn't mattered until global warming dumped that bit of extra
water into the drains and exposed the orginal design flaw.
We have hills here that funnel rainfall into low spots, like the end
of Cayuga Avenue and a low spot on 17th st. Rainfall is variable
everywhere.
It gets more variable where local temperatures are higher - warm air
holds more water until it decides not to.
The trick is to keep all the local street drains clear and working so
the funnel effect doesn't happen.
Huh? If the water falls into the area, it's going to end up in the
lowest lying areas, and flow through them to the sea (eventually - my
flat looks out of Sydney Harbour so the sea is pretty local around here).
Naturally the politicians blame climate change.
It is what's made the problem worse in recent years - or a least more >frequently noticeable.
On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 01:44:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 30/04/2026 1:25 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:58:49 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/04/2026 5:51 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 03:42:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 29/04/2026 12:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:25:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 07:18:16 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 10:03:02 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 12:32:32 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:12:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
<snip>
https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/cdo-rainfall-feature.shtml
1973 looks like the wettest year. "The big dry" was early 2000's.
Late 1800s were pretty wet.
It's not the annual rainfall that matters, but how much rain falls in a >>>> couple of hours. "Torrential" rain fills up drainage channels and
creeks, and floods everything.
Global warming means more water vapour in the atmosphere, and if it all >>>> happens to fall out of the atmosphere in a hurry you've got higher peak >>>> run-off than you were used to.
The link you posted can give you that information, if you ask for it,
but such flooding can be very local.
I know about our local storm water system because our local streets are >>>> quite steep and several of them got severely dug up a few years ago when >>>> the storm water run-off got separated from the sewage system. The roads >>>> weren't closed but there'd be a twenty foot deep trench down one side of >>>> the road for couple of weeks.
That sounds like a political problem, poor infrastructure maintenance.
That wasn't the problem. It was more poor system design about a century
ago, and hadn't mattered until global warming dumped that bit of extra
water into the drains and exposed the orginal design flaw.
We have hills here that funnel rainfall into low spots, like the end
of Cayuga Avenue and a low spot on 17th st. Rainfall is variable
everywhere.
It gets more variable where local temperatures are higher - warm air
holds more water until it decides not to.
The trick is to keep all the local street drains clear and working so
the funnel effect doesn't happen.
Huh? If the water falls into the area, it's going to end up in the
lowest lying areas, and flow through them to the sea (eventually - my
flat looks out of Sydney Harbour so the sea is pretty local around here).
If the surrounding areas are properly drained, not much water will
collect in the low spots. We get our first seasonal rains around
November, and if the local drains are full of leaves and trash the
water keeps going downhill.
The cars, on the slick streets, keep going downhill too.
Naturally the politicians blame climate change.
It is what's made the problem worse in recent years - or a least more
frequently noticeable.
Yes, the politicians keep getting worse.
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