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On 6/8/2026 8:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
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On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <moebius@example.invalid>
wrote:
Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planted
destruction
job.
fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of _every_
column
in the
building
Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
taken in
consideration.
WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike WTC1/2 it
was
not hit by a jet
Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
course
of events
is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
structural columns
there is an incredibly weak, "official" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument from NIST
that:
-a-a-a-a- (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
structural
columns
-a-a-a-a- (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
matches the
videos
-a-a-a-a- (c) didn't model column-girder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections correctly
-a-a-a-a- (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
the floor
above
they left out details and didn't produce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that
looks like
the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...
it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
type-1
fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsed due to
fire as
the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
examples
of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
alone due
to fire, across the entire history of building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
buildings.
which is really quite amazing considering our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety
standards in
building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
well.
The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.
it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall
I personally know a guy that honestly believes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
control devices. What about the video tapes? What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
the airplane wreckage?
It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.
this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
guilt-
by- association fallacy, which falls under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger umbrella
of red
herrings,
i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
conventional physics,
and rather unexplained physics is a contention i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have with the
official narrative
Believing that it is an inside job ignores the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes.
Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by airplanes
does
_not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
it was
_also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's footprint
Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?
oooh, good one.-a Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
experts who spent three years analyzing what happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and concluded
the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
he does not.
Not at all.
We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "inside job" narrative?
BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!
because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention and
blame on muzzies ...
and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seal the deal
for the _wAr On TeRrOR_
neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
nothing
You just showed the short-circuit.
You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".
yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already >>>>>>>>>>>>> funneled billions
of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>>>> they helped
covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean >>>>>>>>>>>>> covertly, so they
did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.
the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
up their lives to promote a war against their own
countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>>>
Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings >>>>>>>>>>> with
planes, but that one got missed.-a So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>>>> bomb that
one separately immediately in concert with the other
buildings being
hit.
Got that?-a Simple, right?
The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew >>>>>>>>>> in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs >>>>>>>>>> inside the building before this.
yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to >>>>>>>>> shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
buildings were designed to withstand such impacts
furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security >>>>>>>>> contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo
Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
the political interests of the USA is the impossible part. >>>>>>>>>>
like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies >>>>>>>>> would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of
america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...
Yes that would be nuts.
they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it
Still nuts.
zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...
You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists. >>>>>>
correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
observations there polcott EfaiEfaiEfai
zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
airplanes into several buildings,
Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
already knew that the planes would be ineffective.
stairwells??? nah, the elevator shafts bro. the 1999 they started a
several year long elevator overhaul for the twin towers, and by the
time of 9/11 several had been out of commission for months. u have to
understand that the towers had a framed tube design. the outer facade
was a major structural system that supported at least 40% of the
vertical load plus resisted the variable lateral wind loads, while
the inner tube concentrated /around the elevator shafts/ carried 60%
of the vertical building load.
as for WTC7 - floor 14 was confirmed entirely vacant, while floors
5-7 featured only electrical equipment for the electrical substation
built beneath the building.
bruh they spend years planning this, including the R&D for the kinds
of novel thermitic explosives they'd need to reduce the sound/
pressure signatures enough for plausible deniability
So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.
honestly the way this was treated after is such a goddamn giant
glaring neon sign for conspiracy. in a normal building investigation,
you know where the govt wasn't trying to force a premeditated
conclusion... investigators would be given unrestricted access to the
debris field.
in 911 the steel was almost entirely shipped off for scrap as soon as
possible. by the time NIST was formally commissions to lead the full-
scale investigation in August of 2002 (a year late), they ended up
only 236 specific structural artifacts to do testing with from WTC1/
WTC2 ... and exactly 0 for WTC7
nvm the fact they never released the collapse simulations for any of
them. the WTC7 excuse is especially egregious as they claim it was
caused by a fire. instead of releasing it so engineers can learn how
to engineer around the problem of a single column failed caused
progressive and catastrophic collapse of the building, and like
ensuring current designs aren't susceptible for it ... they withheld
the simulation on grounds they wouldn't want it to become a blueprint
for further terrorist fire-induced collapse incidents.
It makes sense that they would not seriously consider planes not
flying into buildings as an alternative.
actually giving that this killed 3000 people, ensuring we consider and
rule out all possible alternatives such that we're _absolutely_ sure why everything happened before smelting _almost all_ the evidence /and then spending trillions on decades of war/
...would make the _most_ sense, no?
If you see and feel a fist punch you in the face it seems to
make no sense to retroactively consider maybe it was not a fist
at all.
Your idea flunks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
by too much. It is just too convoluted.
i'm always cautious with occam's razor because applying it wantonly can
lead to fallacy of simplicity, but actually the choice for causes of collapse are:
a) explosives (plane crashes were misdirection)
b) plane crashes that the building was engineered to handle + novel unintentional fire induced progressive collapse that no one is actually treating as a meaningful threat even 25 years later...
strictly from a physical simplicity point of view i'm pretty sure
explosives wins out
Bottom line is that It seems too implausible to me that even
the most evil US-a operatives would be evil enough to knowingly
murder thousands of US citizen civilians for political and/or
financial gain.
i'm pretty sure it would be mossad operatives planting and pushing the buttons, not americans. the zionists are currently busy committing a genocide in their end of the world, so i wouldn't put it past them to
commit such an act, tbh
Apparently, the Zionists are currently eliminating all the Islamic
terrorist leaders in Iran and bombing their headquarters in Lebanon to
rubble. I'm pretty sure Mossad is operating inside Lebanon and Iran,
pushing the buttons and directing the self-defense of Israel.
and yes i could see religious zealotry committing such an act: since
that is what zionism is. the joos try sanity-wash that story as much as possible, and they're quite good at it, the _best_ even...
It's in th Qoran - kill all the Jews!
Apparently, you have not read The Satanic Verses. Why not?
but lies won't stand the test of time
#god
The 9/11 terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers took place in the year
2001 when you were just still in diapers! What would you know?
tbh in my view, given the geopolitical consideration, we either take
this one apart, or it may just take us apart to be frank. we really need
to drain the epstein class swamp before it starts a ai-psychosis induced nuclear war
So, your conspiracy theory of the 9/11 WTC attack was a deep state
conspiracy and a coverup for a Jewish sex ring involving politicians and Hollywood stars like Tom Hanks and even Royalty.
All in the secret, hidden, Epstein files.
Conspiracy theory minded people never seem to be able to accurately
assess the distinction between reasonably plausible and unreasonably
implausible. They generally use their "in group" as a poor proxy
for this.
i don't have much an "in group" dud. u've seen me push back against the halting problem here in comp.theory for almost a year now mostly on my
own for the most part. i push for 9/11 mostly on my own as well. heck i landed here on usenet cause i just end up getting banned elsewhere for whatever the fuck reasons...
The claim you are referring to is entirely false and fabricated,
originating from a mashup of internet rumors and memes made up by
informants which have all been refuted and found to be spurious, crude
and biased.
censorship based moderation was such goddamn a mistake
It's the Quran because shut up.
#god
if there's one thing i could use on this planet: it's some kind of in- group.
Thank God! You found us.
i feel so alone most of the time
So, you came here for enlightenment.
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