• Re: the arithmetic hierarchy is kinda bs isn't it?

    From Chris M. Thomasson@chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com to comp.theory,sci.logic,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic on Wed Jun 10 12:16:27 2026
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    On 6/8/2026 9:48 PM, Moebius wrote:
    Am 09.06.2026 um 06:44 schrieb Moebius:
    Am 08.06.2026 um 07:37 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:

    The Bear (1988)
    Always loved that movie. It might be on Youtube full thing:
    https://youtu.be/wJogk28uCAw

    Yeah, great film. He shouldn't have ate magic mushrooms, imho. :-)

    Nice sceen though.

    Anyway, beware of the drugs!

    Ditto.
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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to comp.theory,sci.logic,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic on Wed Jun 10 12:46:00 2026
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    On 6/10/26 12:16 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 9:48 PM, Moebius wrote:
    Am 09.06.2026 um 06:44 schrieb Moebius:
    Am 08.06.2026 um 07:37 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:

    The Bear (1988)
    Always loved that movie. It might be on Youtube full thing:
    https://youtu.be/wJogk28uCAw

    Yeah, great film. He shouldn't have ate magic mushrooms, imho. :-)

    Nice sceen though.

    Anyway, beware of the drugs!

    Ditto.

    gunna have to hard disagree there,

    > altered states of mind are incredibly important from time to time
    >
    > #god
    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war EfOa

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  • From Dude@punditster@gmail.com to comp.theory,sci.logic,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic on Wed Jun 10 17:01:56 2026
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    On 6/10/2026 12:46 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/10/26 12:16 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 9:48 PM, Moebius wrote:
    Am 09.06.2026 um 06:44 schrieb Moebius:
    Am 08.06.2026 um 07:37 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:

    The Bear (1988)
    Always loved that movie. It might be on Youtube full thing:
    https://youtu.be/wJogk28uCAw

    Yeah, great film. He shouldn't have ate magic mushrooms, imho. :-)

    Nice sceen though.

    Anyway, beware of the drugs!

    Ditto.

    gunna have to hard disagree there,

    altered states of mind are incredibly important from time to time

    #god

    Go ask Alice!

    Amrita: The elixir of the Gods

    SOMA

    The Soma elixir, requiring an elaborate preparation during the Soma
    sacrifice, was probably originally a hallucinogenic or intoxicating
    substance prepared from the Soma mushroom plant.

    This plant, as Gordon Wasson has argued, may have been the fly agaric
    mushroom (Amanita muscaria) whose use in inducing mystical states of conscious is attested in Shamanism.

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  • From Tristan Wibberley@tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk to comp.theory,sci.logic on Thu Jun 11 22:00:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.logic

    On 05/06/2026 10:30, Mikko wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 07:41, dart200 wrote:

    u'd rather just banter back and forth with polcott's ai induced
    psychosis???
    Olcott has no AI induced psychosis. An AI poweful enough to induce
    psychosis is a fairly new thing.

    The public demonstration of such seems to be new, but I don't think you
    can know the stronger claim to be so.
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  • From Tristan Wibberley@tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk to comp.theory,sci.logic on Thu Jun 11 22:03:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.logic

    On 05/06/2026 11:11, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/5/26 2:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 07:41, dart200 wrote:

    u'd rather just banter back and forth with polcott's ai induced
    psychosis???
    Olcott has no AI induced psychosis. An AI poweful enough to induce
    psychosis is a fairly new thing.


    oh right, ai enhanced psychosis i suppose...

    but like seriously: wtf is up with trying to define the complexity for problems that can have no solution?

    To characterise the attempt? There is an element of resource consumption
    that may be used to thwart a computational adversary (time vs space vs order/heat).

    consider Lieutenant Commander Data's complicated loop with which he
    defeated The Borg.
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  • From Mikko@mikko.levanto@iki.fi to comp.theory,sci.logic on Fri Jun 12 09:54:09 2026
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    On 12/06/2026 00:00, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 10:30, Mikko wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 07:41, dart200 wrote:

    u'd rather just banter back and forth with polcott's ai induced
    psychosis???
    Olcott has no AI induced psychosis. An AI poweful enough to induce
    psychosis is a fairly new thing.

    The public demonstration of such seems to be new, but I don't think you
    can know the stronger claim to be so.

    Doens't matter. Olcott has had no access to other than public AI.
    --
    Mikko
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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to comp.theory,sci.logic on Fri Jun 12 01:02:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.logic

    On 6/11/26 2:03 PM, Tristan Wibberley wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 11:11, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/5/26 2:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 05/06/2026 07:41, dart200 wrote:

    u'd rather just banter back and forth with polcott's ai induced
    psychosis???
    Olcott has no AI induced psychosis. An AI poweful enough to induce
    psychosis is a fairly new thing.


    oh right, ai enhanced psychosis i suppose...

    but like seriously: wtf is up with trying to define the complexity for
    problems that can have no solution?

    To characterize the attempt? There is an element of resource consumption

    characterize the attempt to totally solve a problem proven to not be
    totally solvable?

    it's an unsolvable problem, as per the theory: a solution to it would
    imply a contradiction

    the thought experiment constructs this hierarchy by banning
    self-reference within each step of hierarchy. a halting oracle O' can
    decide on all machines, but nothing that involves itself O'. a 2nd-tier halting oracle O'' can decide on O', but not itself O''

    to me this is _avoiding_ the problem, not hypothesizing a resolution. a
    true resolution would provide allow for self-referential analysis to
    occur in a coherent manner, and would collapse the basis for the hierarchy

    that may be used to thwart a computational adversary (time vs space vs order/heat).

    consider Lieutenant Commander Data's complicated loop with which he
    defeated The Borg.


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