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occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:

Why do Brits use the expression 'dog collar' for the (white) clerical
collar worn by its clergy?

It is meant as a form of mockery, or more of a tease? (Etymonline
offers no hints.)

[This reminds me of the pseudo-definition of 'Dominican Order' as 'The devoted Dogs of God' . Umberto Eco puts this interpretation in his book Foucault's Pendulum. I only found out much later that it was his semiotician's mischievous joke on us Hoi Polloi.)

This reminds me of ------ Pope's nose ( seee Below)



_________________Google's AI says:

The term "dog collar" refers to a clerical collar, which originated in the mid-19th century as a nickname for the stiff, white neckband worn by Christian clergy, particularly in the UK. It was likely invented by a Scottish Presbyterian, Rev. Dr. Donald McLeod (https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/55236/what-is-the-origin-of-vicars-priests-wearing-the-white-dog-collar), in the 1800s as a modification of detachable collars, functioning as a uniform to identify priests.

rCo Clerical Context (19th Century): The term "dog collar" became common in the mid-1800s to describe the distinctive white, stand-up collar (or tab collar) worn by clergy.
rCo Physical Resemblance: The name likely derived from its resemblance to the collars worn by dogs or perhaps the stiff, high collars of the 1890s, sometimes called "dog-collars".
rCo Ancient Origins of Functional Collars: While the idiom for the clerical collar is modern, the physical item for animals dates back to ancient Mesopotamia (c. 5000 BCE) for control and identification.
rCo Roman Usage: In ancient Rome, dog collars were used for practical purposes (leashing) but were also ornamental for wealthy, upper-class dogs. [1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]

The phrase evolved to become standard British English for a clerical collar without derogatory meaning, sometimes also called a Roman collar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_collar). [1, 3]

AI responses may include mistakes.

[1]-ahttps://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/55236/what-is-the-origin-of-vicars-priests-wearing-the-white-dog-collar
[2]-ahttps://www.facebook.com/incarnationrichmond/videos/ask-the-church-clergy-shirts-collars/753427183902667/
[3]-ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_collar [4]-ahttps://www.etymonline.com/word/dog-collar [5]-ahttps://www.worldhistory.org/article/1605/a-brief-history-of-the-dog-collar/
[6]-ahttps://www.sladeczech.com/news/history-around-the-neck-from-rope-to-stylish-leather-with-a-signature-twist
[7]-ahttps://www.shopmimigreen.com/when-were-dog-collars-invented/ [8]-ahttps://www.dictionary.com/browse/dog-collar [9]-ahttps://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dog-collar [10]-ahttps://snazzytails.co.uk/blogs/news/the-hidden-story-of-dog-collars-from-ancient-egypt-to-modern-times



________________________Pope's nose


"Pope's nose" refers to the fatty,, tail-end stub (pygostyle) of a cooked bird, popular as a delicacy. Originating in 18th-century Britain, it stems from anti-Catholic sentiment, mocking the Pope by comparing his "nose" to the rear end of a chicken. It was later used as a humorous, reciprocal slur for Protestant clergy, known as a "parson's nose". [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Details on the Origin:

rCo Time Period: The term gained popularity in Britain in the late 17th to 18th century.
rCo Context: It was used as a derogatory term against Catholics following the reign of James II (1685rCo1688).
rCo Variations: The term "parson's nose" was used as a counter-insult by Catholics to mock Protestant clergy, with the term appearing in literature by 1839.
rCo Alternative Names: In some regions, it is also referred to as a "bishop's nose" or "sultan's nose".
rCo Anatomical Feature: The pygostyle is the bone structure at the rear of a bird that supports the tail feathers. [1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]

AI responses may include mistakes.

[1]-ahttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/the-war-of-the-noses/article18275122/ [2]-ahttps://taste.co.za/glossary/popes-nose/ [3]-ahttps://idiomorigins.org/origin/parsonspopes-nose [4]-ahttps://www.cookipedia.co.uk/recipes_wiki/Parson%27s_nose [5]-ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygostyle [6]-ahttps://www.oed.com/dictionary/popes-nose_n [7]-ahttps://waywordradio.org/birds-bishops-nose/


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