• New welder !

    From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Dec 15 20:01:03 2022
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    Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
    , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
    new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
    2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
    cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
    only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
    not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
    plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
    cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
    an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
    plasma cutter .
    --
    Snag
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    but you can't make him think."
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Dec 15 22:33:03 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Snag" wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...

    Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
    , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
    new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
    2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
    cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
    only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
    not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
    plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
    cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
    an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
    plasma cutter .
    Snag

    -----------------

    Good catch!

    Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
    toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
    Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Thu Dec 15 22:33:10 2022
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    On 12/15/2022 9:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...

    -a Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
    , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
    new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
    2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
    cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
    only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
    not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
    plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
    cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
    an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
    plasma cutter .
    Snag

    -----------------

    Good catch!

    Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.


    I can't help you with that question , but I have seen some interesting
    plans based on MOT's ... (microwave oven transformers)
    --
    Snag
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    but you can't make him think."
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 08:28:42 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Snag" wrote in message news:tngse3$3aecb$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/15/2022 9:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    Good catch!

    Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.


    I can't help you with that question , but I have seen some interesting
    plans based on MOT's ... (microwave oven transformers)

    Snag

    ---------------------

    I've built quite a bit of high power industrial equipment, up to 1000A and 1200VAC plus 300VDC EV batteries, and seen the damage a mistake or poor connection can cause. Although a spot welder is simple it is considerably beyond what I'm willing to build working alone without engineering advice.
    I'm very careful with 120V and bought a megger to check insulation.

    I was out sick one day and came back to find a large black burn circle on
    the floor, centered on where another piece of equipment had been and
    extending up onto the machine I had been working on, where I had been standing. The story was that some newly hired junior engineers had been
    trying to determine the proper phase sequencing to a power supply by holding the 480VAC cables against the terminals, and one slipped and touched and grenaded a large electrolytic capacitor.

    One of them had previously tried to convince me that the base of a grounded-emitter transistor would draw only microamps from a connection to a higher voltage source, a TTL output, because that was a simplifying
    assumption in the transistor model. I couldn't convince him that the base
    was a forward biased diode that would short out the source.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 09:09:46 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/15/2022 7:01 PM, Snag wrote:
    -a Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
    , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
    new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
    2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
    cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
    only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
    not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
    plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
    cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
    an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
    plasma cutter .


    Nice. Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon. I know. I
    know. You might not have a large welding table fully tacked up ready
    for a nonstop welding just now. When you do have a project like that
    let us know how it goes.
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 09:11:51 2022
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    On 12/15/2022 8:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...

    -a Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
    , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
    new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
    2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
    cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
    only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
    not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
    plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
    cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
    an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
    plasma cutter .
    Snag

    -----------------

    Good catch!

    Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.



    I do not know, but I sure would like to. There are some products I
    could sell if I felt I could recommend a low cost machine to my
    customers to assemble. There are tax reasons I would just want to sell
    ready to weld parts and an assembly jig.
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 09:25:22 2022
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    On 12/16/2022 6:28 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tngse3$3aecb$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/15/2022 9:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    Good catch!

    Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
    toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some
    experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
    Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.


    I can't help you with that question , but I have seen some interesting
    plans based on MOT's ... (microwave oven transformers)

    Snag

    ---------------------

    I've built quite a bit of high power industrial equipment, up to 1000A
    and 1200VAC plus 300VDC EV batteries, and seen the damage a mistake or
    poor connection can cause. Although a spot welder is simple it is considerably beyond what I'm willing to build working alone without engineering advice. I'm very careful with 120V and bought a megger to
    check insulation.

    I was out sick one day and came back to find a large black burn circle
    on the floor, centered on where another piece of equipment had been and extending up onto the machine I had been working on, where I had been standing. The story was that some newly hired junior engineers had been trying to determine the proper phase sequencing to a power supply by
    holding the 480VAC cables against the terminals, and one slipped and
    touched and grenaded a large electrolytic capacitor.

    One of them had previously tried to convince me that the base of a grounded-emitter transistor would draw only microamps from a connection
    to a higher voltage source, a TTL output, because that was a simplifying assumption in the transistor model. I couldn't convince him that the
    base was a forward biased diode that would short out the source.



    Electricity is some funny stuff. I've mentioned this before but it may
    be worth another mention. For about 10 miles of an 18 mile underground telephone cable there was a 100KV (I think that's correct) cross country transmission line running parallel... on the other side of the road...
    A long way on the other side of the road. The induced voltage on our telephone cable was so high it was dangerous. I didn't understand it at
    the time, but we ran some sort of step down transformer to drop the
    voltage. I still don't know how we overcame the noise completely. We
    had physical pairs, 4 24 channel digital T carriers, and a couple 82A 6 channel analog carriers on that cable as well. I guess to some extent
    that goes to how well the old 500 desk/wall sets were built. LOL.

    We used to trouble shoot induced noise from distribution lines with an
    AM radio. Just drive around with the truck radio tuned to signal free frequency and listen for a change in the noise. When it spikes the
    power pole nearby will almost always have a cracked insulator.
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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 10:59:23 2022
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    On 12/16/2022 10:09 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 12/15/2022 7:01 PM, Snag wrote:
    -a-a Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new
    condition , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It
    really is like new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It
    also came with a 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add
    some icing to the cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130
    so my net cost was only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one
    is 220V , so it's not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be
    changing some power plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same
    one . The 8ga power cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the
    plasma cutter will become an extension cord that will work with the
    new MIG , the TIG and the plasma cutter .


    Nice.-a Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon. I know.-a I know.-a You might not have a large welding table fully tacked up ready
    for a nonstop welding just now.-a When you do have a project like that
    let us know how it goes.



    At 230V input it's rated 30% duty cycle at 130 amps . IIRC the
    Weldpak 100 was 20% at max output of 80 amps . The main thing is it will
    weld heavier stuff than the 100 does . Rated at 3/16" with shield gas ,
    5/16" with flux core .
    It's very seldom I need to do a marathon welding project these days .
    But it's for sure this machine is more capable than the old one if I do .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 12:41:45 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Snag" wrote in message news:tni859$3dksj$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/16/2022 10:09 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Nice. Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon.

    At 230V input it's rated 30% duty cycle at 130 amps . IIRC the
    Weldpak 100 was 20% at max output of 80 amps . The main thing is it will
    weld heavier stuff than the 100 does . Rated at 3/16" with shield gas ,
    5/16" with flux core .
    It's very seldom I need to do a marathon welding project these days .
    But it's for sure this machine is more capable than the old one if I do .
    Snag

    -------------------------

    I have a PowerMate (Century) Tote MIG rated at 75A. After practicing on the Miller at the Voc-Tech I took it in to learn to use it better. Although I couldn't the instructor could weld 3/16" steel with it.

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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 18:07:15 2022
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    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:

    ... ...
    We used to trouble shoot induced noise from distribution lines with an
    AM radio. Just drive around with the truck radio tuned to signal free frequency and listen for a change in the noise. When it spikes the
    power pole nearby will almost always have a cracked insulator.

    The gems we get here, the pragmatism, the depth of "how to do it
    knowledge" - love coming to this group...
    Now you say it I can see it - but I would never have known that "trick
    of the Trade".
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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 12:15:20 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/16/2022 11:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tni859$3dksj$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/16/2022 10:09 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Nice.-a Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon.

    -a At 230V input it's rated 30% duty cycle at 130 amps . IIRC the
    Weldpak 100 was 20% at max output of 80 amps . The main thing is it will
    weld heavier stuff than the 100 does . Rated at 3/16" with shield gas ,
    5/16" with flux core .
    -a It's very seldom I need to do a marathon welding project these days .
    But it's for sure this machine is more capable than the old one if I do . Snag

    -------------------------

    I have a PowerMate (Century) Tote MIG rated at 75A. After practicing on
    the Miller at the Voc-Tech I took it in to learn to use it better.
    Although I couldn't the instructor could weld 3/16" steel with it.


    The 100 would do 3/16 with flux core and a slow weave . With solid
    wire and gas I'd get cold lap beads if I wasn't careful . It did do
    3/16" OK on outside corners but that's about all .
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    but you can't make him think."
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 16 15:15:20 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/16/2022 11:07 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:

    ... ...
    We used to trouble shoot induced noise from distribution lines with an
    AM radio. Just drive around with the truck radio tuned to signal free
    frequency and listen for a change in the noise. When it spikes the
    power pole nearby will almost always have a cracked insulator.

    The gems we get here, the pragmatism, the depth of "how to do it
    knowledge" - love coming to this group...
    Now you say it I can see it - but I would never have known that "trick
    of the Trade".


    During dove season we could just look for feathers on the ground. LOL.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 10:41:26 2022
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    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:



    During dove season we could just look for feathers on the ground. LOL.

    Oh no!!! How things are.

    I've put out a feeder with just "vegetarian" bird seed to try to help
    the doves nesting on the side of my house, behind an old satellite
    dish.
    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 09:11:46 2022
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    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...

    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.

    -------------------------

    Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was a
    barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have electricity or
    running water until he installed them in the 1970's. I've carried a kettle
    of hot water out to thaw and prime the water pump on a freezing morning. My mother told me how she hated having to pick the worst looking potatoes out
    of the barrel to eat, so the supply would last until the next crop. Now
    people have forgotten what the advances gave us and oppose them, for
    instance vaccines, electricity, fertilizer.

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 10:59:26 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 8:11 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Richard Smith"-a wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...

    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.

    -------------------------

    Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was a barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have electricity or running water until he installed them in the 1970's. I've carried a
    kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water pump on a freezing morning. My mother told me how she hated having to pick the worst
    looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the supply would last
    until the next crop. Now people have forgotten what the advances gave us
    and oppose them, for instance vaccines, electricity, fertilizer.


    My wife remembers living without indoor plumbing and electricity .
    She lived in southwestern Kentucky as a small child . I agree with your
    last sentence except for vaccines . Only because all vaccines are not
    created equal , and some of these they're pushing now IMO cause more
    harm than good .
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    but you can't make him think."
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 10:03:34 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 3:41 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:



    During dove season we could just look for feathers on the ground. LOL.

    Oh no!!! How things are.

    I've put out a feeder with just "vegetarian" bird seed to try to help
    the doves nesting on the side of my house, behind an old satellite
    dish.
    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.

    While we have our fair share of feral cats we also still have plenty of
    wild predators to manage the cats and many climates that are hostile to
    such a narrowly evolved predators as the domestic house cat. Our feral
    cat population is not likely to wipe out any of our bird populations as
    has happened in the UK. If you like the birds in the UK, buy a pellet
    gun and hunt cats. Not kidding. (Close range head shots only at your
    power levels.)

    As an aside I have wondered why your song bird population does not
    replenish regularly from nearby lands. There are plenty within the
    flying range of a determined sparrow, and the migratory birds could make
    the passages like a Sunday stroll. Are your feral cats really that
    dominating that they keep the song bird levels so low?

    Morning and Whitewing dove populations in North America are strong (with
    a narrow hunting season). Now we have an invasive Eurasion dove
    (collared dove) that really needs to be wiped out on the continent.
    There is a 365 days season and no limit on those in my home state. At
    first it looked like they were going to overwhelm the morning and white
    wing populations. They are a larger dove, but the numbers seem to have stabilized. Still North American Wildlife managers are mixed with
    attitudes from eradication to heavy management. I have no idea if the Eurasion dove has impacted the smaller protected dove species like Inca
    dove and ground dove.

    I used to hunt the Eurasion dove with a pellet gun much more powerful
    than any you are allowed to own in the UK without a gun permit, but I
    just don't have the time these days. The breasts are quite tasty when roasted in a jalapeno shell with a thin layer of cream cheese all
    wrapped in a strip of bacon. Sure a shot gun works, but pellets are so
    much cheaper than shotgun shells.

    I know. I've exposed myself as one of those evil hunters. Now you
    won't like me any more. LOL. Like most people who hunt I try to stay
    in tune with the current management reasons for why things are regulated
    the way they are. I've never been a kill crazed blood luster, and
    neither is any other hunter I know. I actually started hunting
    seriously to supplement my grocery budget when I was saving for college.
    Everyday after work I would walk down the hill into the desert in
    search of cotton tails.

    If it helps I do have a cat feeder... er I mean bird feeder... out
    front of the house.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 11:09:46 2022
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    On 12/17/2022 11:03 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 12/17/2022 3:41 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:



    During dove season we could just look for feathers on the ground.-a LOL.

    Oh no!!!-a How things are.

    I've put out a feeder with just "vegetarian" bird seed to try to help
    the doves nesting on the side of my house, behind an old satellite
    dish.
    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.

    While we have our fair share of feral cats we also still have plenty of
    wild predators to manage the cats and many climates that are hostile to
    such a narrowly evolved predators as the domestic house cat.-a Our feral
    cat population is not likely to wipe out any of our bird populations as
    has happened in the UK.-a If you like the birds in the UK, buy a pellet
    gun and hunt cats.-a Not kidding.-a (Close range head shots only at your power levels.)

    As an aside I have wondered why your song bird population does not
    replenish regularly from nearby lands.-a There are plenty within the
    flying range of a determined sparrow, and the migratory birds could make
    the passages like a Sunday stroll.-a Are your feral cats really that dominating that they keep the song bird levels so low?

    Morning and Whitewing dove populations in North America are strong (with
    a narrow hunting season).-a Now we have an invasive Eurasion dove
    (collared dove) that really needs to be wiped out on the continent.
    There is a 365 days season and no limit on those in my home state.-a At first it looked like they were going to overwhelm the morning and white
    wing populations.-a They are a larger dove, but the numbers seem to have stabilized.-a Still North American Wildlife managers are mixed with attitudes from eradication to heavy management.-a I have no idea if the Eurasion dove has impacted the smaller protected dove species like Inca
    dove and ground dove.

    I used to hunt the Eurasion dove with a pellet gun much more powerful
    than any you are allowed to own in the UK without a gun permit, but I
    just don't have the time these days.-a-a The breasts are quite tasty when roasted in a jalapeno shell with a thin layer of cream cheese all
    wrapped in a strip of bacon.-a Sure a shot gun works, but pellets are so much cheaper than shotgun shells.

    I know.-a I've exposed myself as one of those evil hunters.-a Now you
    won't like me any more.-a LOL.-a Like most people who hunt I try to stay
    in tune with the current management reasons for why things are regulated
    the way they are.-a I've never been a kill crazed blood luster, and
    neither is any other hunter I know.-a I actually started hunting
    seriously to supplement my grocery budget when I was saving for college.
    -aEveryday after work I would walk down the hill into the desert in
    search of cotton tails.

    If it helps I do have a cat feeder... er I mean bird feeder...-a out
    front of the house.

    We have three seed and one suet feeder for the wild birds . And 5
    feral cats - well , 3 of them are nearly-grown kittens . They focus more
    on the moles and other ground-dwellers , much easier hunting .
    --
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    but you can't make him think."
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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 17:34:01 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    Bob - I have been to Texas and am able to join in in their favourite relaxational activity. The only think I took note of was the cooking and serving suggestion with jalapeno shells and a strip of bacon.
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 11:54:10 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 10:34 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob - I have been to Texas and am able to join in in their favourite relaxational activity. The only think I took note of was the cooking and serving suggestion with jalapeno shells and a strip of bacon.


    If you have the opportunity just look for recipes for Jalapeno Dove
    Poppers. There are a number of variations of the recipe. My wife finds Jalapenos a little over powering of the other flavors, so we use a
    milder pepper. Of course adjust for allergies. Goat cheese if cows
    milk products are an issue. Beef bacon or duck bacon if pork is an
    issue. Its all good.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 14:11:00 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Snag" wrote in message news:tnkshc$3mp0k$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/17/2022 8:11 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...

    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.

    -------------------------

    Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was a barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have electricity or running water until he installed them in the 1970's. I've carried a
    kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water pump on a freezing morning. My mother told me how she hated having to pick the worst
    looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the supply would last
    until the next crop. Now people have forgotten what the advances gave us
    and oppose them, for instance vaccines, electricity, fertilizer.


    My wife remembers living without indoor plumbing and electricity .
    She lived in southwestern Kentucky as a small child . I agree with your
    last sentence except for vaccines . Only because all vaccines are not
    created equal , and some of these they're pushing now IMO cause more
    harm than good .
    Snag
    ----------------------

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 13:45:12 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 1:11 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tnkshc$3mp0k$1@dont-email.me...
    On 12/17/2022 8:11 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Richard Smith"-a wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...

    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.

    -------------------------

    Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was a
    barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have electricity or
    running water until he installed them in the 1970's. I've carried a
    kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water pump on a freezing
    morning. My mother told me how she hated having to pick the worst
    looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the supply would last
    until the next crop. Now people have forgotten what the advances gave
    us and oppose them, for instance vaccines, electricity, fertilizer.


    -a My wife remembers living without indoor plumbing and electricity .
    She lived in southwestern Kentucky as a small child . I agree with your
    last sentence except for vaccines . Only because all vaccines are not created equal , and some of these they're pushing now IMO cause more
    harm than good .
    Snag
    ----------------------

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html

    hit a paywall and I ain't payin'
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    but you can't make him think."
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  • From David Billington@djb@invalid.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 20:15:53 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 17/12/2022 19:45, Snag wrote:
    On 12/17/2022 1:11 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tnkshc$3mp0k$1@dont-email.me...
    On 12/17/2022 8:11 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Richard Smith"-a wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...

    I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
    seeing their travails really brings it home.

    -------------------------

    Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was
    a barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have
    electricity or running water until he installed them in the 1970's.
    I've carried a kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water
    pump on a freezing morning. My mother told me how she hated having
    to pick the worst looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the
    supply would last until the next crop. Now people have forgotten
    what the advances gave us and oppose them, for instance vaccines,
    electricity, fertilizer.


    -a-a My wife remembers living without indoor plumbing and electricity .
    She lived in southwestern Kentucky as a small child . I agree with
    your last sentence except for vaccines . Only because all vaccines
    are not created equal , and some of these they're pushing now IMO
    cause more harm than good .
    Snag
    ----------------------

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html

    hit a paywall and I ain't payin'

    If you delete NY Times cookies you'll likely find the paywall goes away,
    I don't see it and can read the article fine.

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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 20:38:45 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
    As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
    You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
    used to be your delightful companion before.
    That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
    density of presence of domestic cats.

    I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
    do have a lot of dogs and cats.
    They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
    rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
    To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
    health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
    The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
    hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
    Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
    wouldn't wake up.
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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 15:08:05 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 2:38 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
    As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
    You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
    used to be your delightful companion before.
    That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
    density of presence of domestic cats.

    I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
    do have a lot of dogs and cats.
    They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
    rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
    To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
    health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
    The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
    hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
    Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
    wouldn't wake up.


    We've seen a marked decrease in rodents of all types since we were
    adopted by some semi-feral cats . That's why we feed them to keep them
    around .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."
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  • From David Billington@djb@invalid.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 21:47:11 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 17/12/2022 20:38, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
    As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
    You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
    used to be your delightful companion before.
    That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
    density of presence of domestic cats.

    I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
    do have a lot of dogs and cats.
    They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
    rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
    To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
    health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
    The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
    hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
    Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
    wouldn't wake up.

    I don't have a cat here in the UK but plenty of my neighbours do and
    there are quite a lot of birds in my garden and other ones in the area
    even though the cats do come into my garden regularly. Maybe they prefer
    the rats, mice, and voles as easier pray.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 17:59:04 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Snag" wrote in message news:tnl683$3nhii$1@dont-email.me...


    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html

    hit a paywall and I ain't payin'

    ----------------------

    RFK strongly opposes vaccines. I don't know enough about medicine to form a valid scientific opinion, I defer to a relative who was a senior researcher
    at CDC.

    The politics of vaccine distrust are less one-sided than the media will
    admit: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/what-do-lefty-anti-vaxxers-do-now/620092/

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Dec 17 17:39:16 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 4:59 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tnl683$3nhii$1@dont-email.me...


    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html

    hit a paywall and I ain't payin'

    ----------------------

    RFK strongly opposes vaccines. I don't know enough about medicine to
    form a valid scientific opinion, I defer to a relative who was a senior researcher at CDC.

    The politics of vaccine distrust are less one-sided than the media will admit: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/what-do-lefty-anti-vaxxers-do-now/620092/



    As far as the covid vaccine , I've seen too much evidence of people
    dying from stuff that was almost nonexistent in the recent past . Other vaccines , well I've seen evidence of problems such as autism that were
    a lot less prevalent before many of them were in common usage . Not any "scientific evidence" , just empirical evidence of a possible causal link .
    --
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    but you can't make him think."
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 07:52:37 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Snag" wrote in message news:tnljv1$3phdr$1@dont-email.me...

    As far as the covid vaccine , I've seen too much evidence of people
    dying from stuff that was almost nonexistent in the recent past . Other vaccines , well I've seen evidence of problems such as autism that were
    a lot less prevalent before many of them were in common usage . Not any "scientific evidence" , just empirical evidence of a possible causal link . Snag

    ----------------

    In medicine it's extremely difficult and EXPEN$IVE to disprove an alleged cause and effect, especially a rare one, so the limited funding mostly goes
    to more productive efforts. That's why so many fad diets can persist. The COVID vaccine certainly does have a bad effect on some people, my sister for instance, but I believe without proof that her strong immune response was
    the culprit and the disease would have been much worse.

    Here is an example of the uncertainty: https://www.ndph.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study-finds-lower-risks-of-cancer-for-vegetarians-pescatarians-and-low-meat-eaters
    "However, there was no apparent difference in risk for women for any of
    these dietary groups."

    A possible cause the study didn't mention checking for is the high
    temperature breakdown products of fats etc, as in rare, medium or well done. The prof warned us about carcinogenic PAHs (tar, char) in Chemistry class in the 1960's, and since then I've cook meat at lower temperature.

    https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet
    But:
    "Population studies have not established a definitive link between HCA and
    PAH exposure from cooked meats and cancer in humans. One difficulty with conducting such studies is that it can be difficult to determine the exact level of HCA and/or PAH exposure a person gets from cooked meats."

    Beware of studies that find what they were paid to look for. Researchers who don't may risk unemployment.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 08:01:16 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 4:39 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 12/17/2022 4:59 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"-a wrote in message news:tnl683$3nhii$1@dont-email.me...


    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html

    hit a paywall and I ain't payin'

    ----------------------

    RFK strongly opposes vaccines. I don't know enough about medicine to
    form a valid scientific opinion, I defer to a relative who was a
    senior researcher at CDC.

    The politics of vaccine distrust are less one-sided than the media
    will admit:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/what-do-lefty-anti-vaxxers-do-now/620092/


    -a As far as the covid vaccine , I've seen too much evidence of people dying from stuff that was almost nonexistent in the recent past . Other vaccines , well I've seen evidence of problems such as autism that were
    a lot less prevalent before many of them were in common usage . Not any "scientific evidence" , just empirical evidence of a possible causal link .


    If you want to go down a rabbit hole do some research on pthalates. One theory is that they fundamentally changed society today on a biological
    level. I am not making an argument here. Just pointing out the rabbit
    hole.
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 08:05:55 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/17/2022 1:38 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
    As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
    You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
    used to be your delightful companion before.
    That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
    density of presence of domestic cats.

    I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
    do have a lot of dogs and cats.
    They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
    rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
    To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
    health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
    The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
    hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
    Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
    wouldn't wake up.


    I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
    hearsay to me. I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant predator
    due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger predators.
    That it was this not naturally checked population that had nearly
    eradicated song birds in the UK.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 10:58:51 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tnna8l$164d$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
    hearsay to me. I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant predator
    due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger predators.
    That it was this not naturally checked population that had nearly
    eradicated song birds in the UK.

    --------------------

    I was curious. http://www.catbehaviourist.com/blog/study-certified-cat-behaviourist-anita-kelsey/

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 10:01:38 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/18/2022 8:58 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:tnna8l$164d$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
    hearsay to me.-a I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant predator
    due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger predators.
    -aThat it was this not naturally checked population that had nearly eradicated song birds in the UK.

    --------------------

    I was curious. http://www.catbehaviourist.com/blog/study-certified-cat-behaviourist-anita-kelsey/


    I rather liked that first picture.

    Having trapped fox (grey and kit) I suspect it may also be a matter of
    breed and opportunity. A healthy adult male kit fox would be sadly
    under powered against a healthy adult male tom cat, but a grey fox is
    larger and smarter. The thing is grey foxes are more wary and less
    populous, so unless you have a country kitty surrounded by fox treats
    the chance of an encounter is slim. I really know little or nothing of
    other fox breeds. That was a fun read Jim. Thanks.
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  • From David Billington@djb@invalid.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 17:13:51 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 18/12/2022 15:05, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 12/17/2022 1:38 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
    As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
    You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
    used to be your delightful companion before.
    That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
    density of presence of domestic cats.

    I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
    do have a lot of dogs and cats.
    They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
    rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
    To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats.-a There is a
    health system for them.-a Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
    The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
    hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
    Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
    wouldn't wake up.


    I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
    hearsay to me.-a I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
    predator due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger predators. -aThat it was this not naturally checked population that had nearly eradicated song birds in the UK.

    I think this varies with location, I'm not aware of a feral cat
    population here in the south west of the UK but a friend lives near
    Huntingdon and there are quite a lot of feral cats around there which is apparently largely attributed to US service personnel in the area-a
    abandoning their cats when they go home. Near me many years ago animal protestors broke into a local mink farm and let them free and that did decimate the local bird and small animal population for a while.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 10:45:44 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/18/2022 10:13 AM, David Billington wrote:
    On 18/12/2022 15:05, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 12/17/2022 1:38 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
    As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
    You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
    used to be your delightful companion before.
    That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
    density of presence of domestic cats.

    I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
    do have a lot of dogs and cats.
    They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
    rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
    To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats.-a There is a
    health system for them.-a Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
    The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
    hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
    Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
    wouldn't wake up.


    I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
    hearsay to me.-a I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
    predator due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger
    predators. -aThat it was this not naturally checked population that had
    nearly eradicated song birds in the UK.

    I think this varies with location, I'm not aware of a feral cat
    population here in the south west of the UK but a friend lives near Huntingdon and there are quite a lot of feral cats around there which is apparently largely attributed to US service personnel in the area
    abandoning their cats when they go home. Near me many years ago animal protestors broke into a local mink farm and let them free and that did decimate the local bird and small animal population for a while.


    Mink (and other weasels) are certain very efficient killing machines.
    We had pet ferrets for a while back in the 90s, and when a much larger
    cat squared off with one that cat usually went crying for momma. There
    was a truce in our house between the ferrets and the cats. I watched
    them hunt. One ferret named McDuff had a passion for stuff animals.
    Teddy bears. We would periodically place a teddy bear in a difficult
    location to see how long it would take him to make the kill. I've seen
    McDuff make leaps that would astound a full grown cat. Ferrets are not
    known for their ability to jump. Why I do not know. Their bodies are
    like little springs. They bend in half and let go like a bow with a
    broken string.
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 20:40:52 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
    ... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
    predator ...

    No as I know of.
    The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
    in Scotland, apparently.
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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 20:45:50 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    David - I am far down the West Country now. Anywhere near?
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  • From David Billington@djb@invalid.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 21:04:02 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 18/12/2022 20:45, Richard Smith wrote:
    David - I am far down the West Country now. Anywhere near?

    Near Bath, where are you.

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 14:12:32 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/18/2022 1:40 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
    ... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
    predator ...

    No as I know of.
    The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
    in Scotland, apparently.


    Wow. I am very misinformed. I'd been lead to believe the oldest known
    direct ancestors of the modern domestic cat breeds were from Egypt.
    That seems to make sense to me since a native African Wildcat looks a
    lot like a domestic grey tabby.
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    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Dec 18 19:32:54 2022
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    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tnnvo0$1ti0$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/18/2022 1:40 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
    ... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
    predator ...

    No as I know of.
    The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
    in Scotland, apparently.


    Wow. I am very misinformed. I'd been lead to believe the oldest known
    direct ancestors of the modern domestic cat breeds were from Egypt.
    That seems to make sense to me since a native African Wildcat looks a
    lot like a domestic grey tabby.
    Bob La Londe

    --------------------------
    Apparently it's hard to be sure, because modern wild populations have interbred with domestic cats. Egypt has the advantage of very ancient
    records preserved on stone, while Scotland's written history doesn't go back far at all, for instance we don't know what the Picts (Latin for Painted,
    with woad and tattoos) called themselves, or what happened to them.

    Pictish raiding caused the Britons to call on the Saxons of Germany for military aid after Rome declined, and the Saxons soon took over much of the island. King Arthur may have opposed them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortigern

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons

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  • From Richard Smith@null@void.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Dec 19 08:17:23 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    Near Truro, Camborne / Redruth
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Tue Dec 20 07:49:44 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:tngour$3a7qh$1@dont-email.me...
    ...What's the opinion of the 240V Harbor Freight one?
    It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
    -------------------------

    The 240V HF spot welder is a copy of the Miller LMSW-52. Partial disassembly hasn't revealed anything disturbingly wrong with it yet, just minor things like the 14 AWG power cord. HiPot gives 500 MegOhms at 500V between the primary and the case. The moving tong is grounded. https://www.millerwelds.com/-/media/miller-electric/files/pdf/resources/resistance.pdf

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Tue Dec 20 11:49:28 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    On 12/18/2022 5:32 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:tnnvo0$1ti0$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/18/2022 1:40 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
    ...-a I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
    predator ...

    No as I know of.
    The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
    in Scotland, apparently.


    Wow.-a I am very misinformed.-a I'd been lead to believe the oldest known direct ancestors of the modern domestic cat breeds were from Egypt.
    That seems to make sense to me since a native African Wildcat looks a
    lot like a domestic grey tabby.
    Bob La Londe

    --------------------------
    Apparently it's hard to be sure, because modern wild populations have interbred with domestic cats. Egypt has the advantage of very ancient records preserved on stone, while Scotland's written history doesn't go
    back far at all, for instance we don't know what the Picts (Latin for Painted, with woad and tattoos) called themselves, or what happened to
    them.

    Pictish raiding caused the Britons to call on the Saxons of Germany for military aid after Rome declined, and the Saxons soon took over much of
    the island. King Arthur may have opposed them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortigern

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons



    I always liked the theory that Arthur was an expatriated Roman.
    Probably utter hogwash, but amusing nonetheless.
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Tue Dec 20 19:25:05 2022
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    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tnt03p$11va$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 12/18/2022 5:32 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons



    I always liked the theory that Arthur was an expatriated Roman.
    Probably utter hogwash, but amusing nonetheless.

    ---------------------------
    He wasn't expatriated, Rome had conquered Britannia without much resistance
    a few decades after the time of Jesus. Constantine the Great was first acclaimed Roman Emperor in York, and fought his way to the top of the rest
    of the Empire.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus

    Little writing survives from the time of the decline of Roman power in the provinces and resulting disruption of literate society by warlords who
    filled the power vacuum, and the orally passed stories evolved into
    mythology. Why not explain dinosaur fossils as dragons?
    "Londinium, once a major city, was completely abandoned during the 5th century."

    The same Flavius Aetius to whom The Groans of the Britons was addressed was responsible for the disruption among Germans that inspired the legendary
    Ring Cycle. King Etzel in that story is Attila the Hun.

    Most ancient text exists as handwritten copies (manuscripts) from 1000 - 1200AD or later, with a few exceptions from the Roman era. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Codex-Sinaiticus
    A codex is a bound book, then beginning to replace scrolls. It may be a
    first edition, one of the 50 Bible copies that Emperor Constantine commissioned, after a convention to decide what material to include or omit (much), that Santa Claus attended and where he was naughty. https://www.stnicholascenter.org/who-is-st-nicholas/stories-legends/traditional-stories/life-of-nicholas/bishop-nicholas-loses-his-cool

    jsw, weaving in a tale for Christmas.

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  • From scott@scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Dec 21 01:17:31 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
    On 12/18/2022 5:32 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:tnnvo0$1ti0$1@dont-email.me...

    On 12/18/2022 1:40 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
    ...-a I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
    semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
    predator ...

    No as I know of.
    The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
    in Scotland, apparently.


    Wow.-a I am very misinformed.-a I'd been lead to believe the oldest known
    direct ancestors of the modern domestic cat breeds were from Egypt.
    That seems to make sense to me since a native African Wildcat looks a
    lot like a domestic grey tabby.
    Bob La Londe

    --------------------------
    Apparently it's hard to be sure, because modern wild populations have
    interbred with domestic cats. Egypt has the advantage of very ancient
    records preserved on stone, while Scotland's written history doesn't go
    back far at all, for instance we don't know what the Picts (Latin for
    Painted, with woad and tattoos) called themselves, or what happened to
    them.

    Pictish raiding caused the Britons to call on the Saxons of Germany for
    military aid after Rome declined, and the Saxons soon took over much of
    the island. King Arthur may have opposed them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortigern

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons



    I always liked the theory that Arthur was an expatriated Roman.
    Probably utter hogwash, but amusing nonetheless.

    I'd recommend Mary Stewart's _The Crystal Cave_ and _The Hollow Hills_
    for an historically fictional account of Arthur and Merlin. The first
    covers the time from Merlin as a child (bastard son of Ambrosius, who
    became King of Britian) through to the conception of Arthur (by Ambrosius' brother Uther and Ygraine of Cornwall). The second covers Arthur from
    a babe in arms to becoming King of Britian. The third, The Last Enchantment, covers Arthur's reign and death. All are written from Merlin's viewpoint; and give an interesting depiction of life in the 6th century.

    In the story, Ambrosius and Uther had been exiled to Brittany (France)
    when Vortigern took the throne. They returned, killed Vortigern and
    chased the Saxons (Germans bribed with land by Vortigern) out of Britian.

    Ambrosius and Uther were the sons of Constantine, who was the son of Maximus (a Roman
    general, usurper and emperor) who settled in Britain after being deposed in
    the 4th century, which in the story anyway, makes Arthur a descendent of Maximus.

    Stewart doesn't follow history exactly, but it is pretty close. And far better than T.H. White (The Once and Future King) or MZB (_The Mists of Avalon_).
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Wed Dec 21 11:00:52 2022
    From Newsgroup: sci.engr.joining.welding

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badon



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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to sci.engr.joining.welding,rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Dec 23 06:53:18 2022
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    New on Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/69615/pg69615-images.html



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