ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
By signal degradation, do they not mean the data signal, and if so, why
is that not taken care of by the verification and resending when needed?
The input cable on my device for connecting bare drives (for backup) is
only 6 inches. I would have to do a massive reorganization of the whole
desk to get close to the laptop (which only has 3 usb-A ports (and one C-port). I normally use a hub with a 12-inch cord.
Isn't the hub the same as and just as bad as an extension cable?
Don't most people with laptops that have only 3 or 4 usb ports use a
hub? A non-powered hub?
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
By signal degradation, do they not mean the data signal,
and if so, why
is that not taken care of by the verification and resending when needed?
The input cable on my device for connecting bare drives (for backup) is
only 6 inches. I would have to do a massive reorganization of the whole
desk to get close to the laptop (which only has 3 usb-A ports (and one >C-port). I normally use a hub with a 12-inch cord.
Isn't the hub the same as and just as bad as an extension cable?
Don't most people with laptops that have only 3 or 4 usb ports use a
hub? A non-powered hub?
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
By signal degradation, do they not mean the data signal, and if so, why
is that not taken care of by the verification and resending when needed?
The input cable on my device for connecting bare drives (for backup) is--
only 6 inches. I would have to do a massive reorganization of the whole
desk to get close to the laptop (which only has 3 usb-A ports (and one C-port). I normally use a hub with a 12-inch cord.
Isn't the hub the same as and just as bad as an extension cable?
Don't most people with laptops that have only 3 or 4 usb ports use a
hub? A non-powered hub?
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 18:07:34 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power >>issues, especially for USB-C".
What is ASI? Artificial Super Intelligence?
<https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/artificial-superintelligence>
Hint: Thou shalt not abrev.
By signal degradation, do they not mean the data signal,
Yes, depending on the USB-C mutation and what you define as a signal.
For example:
USB 2.0 (via USB-C):
480 Mbps (common on budget phones/charging cables).
USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gbps):
5 Gbps (standard for many peripherals).
USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps):
10 Gbps (standard on many modern laptops).
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20Gbps):
20 Gbps (supported by some high-speed external drives).
USB4/Thunderbolt 3 & 4:
40 Gbps (high-performance docks, monitors, and SSDs).
USB4 Gen 4:
Up to 80 Gbps (emerging standard). ><https://www.onlogic.com/blog/usb-type-c-and-usb-3-1-explained/>
For the various speeds (data rates), there are also cable length
limitations. Too long a cable means the higher speeds don't work
because of distorted waveforms, cable losses, timing issues, etc. For
DC power, increased cable resistance might introduce losses.
and if so, why
is that not taken care of by the verification and resending when needed?
If the errors are caused by too long (or too wrong) a cable, chances
are good that repeating the same data on the same wrong cable is going
to repeat the errors. Using various forms of error correction will
largely eliminate that problem at the cost of additional delays and
the associated throughput reductions.
The input cable on my device for connecting bare drives (for backup) is >>only 6 inches. I would have to do a massive reorganization of the whole >>desk to get close to the laptop (which only has 3 usb-A ports (and one >>C-port). I normally use a hub with a 12-inch cord.
Sorry, no suggestions because you didn't provide any numbers for what
manner of hardware and data protocols you're working with. Of course,
you could just plug in an extension cable and see what happens by
measuring the error rate (assuming your hardware is managed and
provides SNMP info, including data rate).
As long as the extension is
wired correctly, you're unlikely to do any damage.
Isn't the hub the same as and just as bad as an extension cable?
Don't most people with laptops that have only 3 or 4 usb ports use a
hub? A non-powered hub?
USB hub or USB switch? Since it's plugged into a laptop, it's
probably a hub or docking station. I don't know about "most people"
but I use USB mostly for flash drives and mice. I'm not an Apple
computer user and therefore don't have any Thunderbolt hardware.
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
USB hub, although the one currently in use, made by Sabrent with 4
output ports, has an on-off switch for each port. I dont' think that
makes it a USB switch, though.
Yeah, I use it for the mouse, an external keyboard, and flashdrives, but lately for the bare drive I use for imaging. Amazon doesn't sell the connection device anymore, but it has its own power supply. And I'm
using USB-A so I'll give it a try with a 6" extension.
I also have a laptop which has only 3 USB ports, but I do not
use a hub.
In sci.electronics.repair, on Mon, 27 Apr 2026 15:56:24 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 18:07:34 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
What is ASI? Artificial Super Intelligence?
Artificial Semi-Intelligence!
<https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/artificial-superintelligence>
Hint: Thou shalt not abrev.
By signal degradation, do they not mean the data signal,
Yes, depending on the USB-C mutation and what you define as a signal.
For example:
USB 2.0 (via USB-C):
480 Mbps (common on budget phones/charging cables).
USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gbps):
5 Gbps (standard for many peripherals).
USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps):
10 Gbps (standard on many modern laptops).
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20Gbps):
20 Gbps (supported by some high-speed external drives).
USB4/Thunderbolt 3 & 4:
40 Gbps (high-performance docks, monitors, and SSDs).
USB4 Gen 4:
Up to 80 Gbps (emerging standard).
<https://www.onlogic.com/blog/usb-type-c-and-usb-3-1-explained/>
For the various speeds (data rates), there are also cable length
limitations. Too long a cable means the higher speeds don't work
because of distorted waveforms, cable losses, timing issues, etc. For
DC power, increased cable resistance might introduce losses.
and if so, why
is that not taken care of by the verification and resending when needed?
If the errors are caused by too long (or too wrong) a cable, chances
are good that repeating the same data on the same wrong cable is going
to repeat the errors. Using various forms of error correction will
largely eliminate that problem at the cost of additional delays and
the associated throughput reductions.
Okay.
The input cable on my device for connecting bare drives (for backup) is
only 6 inches. I would have to do a massive reorganization of the whole >>> desk to get close to the laptop (which only has 3 usb-A ports (and one
C-port). I normally use a hub with a 12-inch cord.
Sorry, no suggestions because you didn't provide any numbers for what
manner of hardware and data protocols you're working with. Of course,
you could just plug in an extension cable and see what happens by
measuring the error rate (assuming your hardware is managed and
provides SNMP info, including data rate).
It might provide SNMP info. I'll look, or I'll try to add it.
As long as the extension is
wired correctly, you're unlikely to do any damage.
Isn't the hub the same as and just as bad as an extension cable?
Don't most people with laptops that have only 3 or 4 usb ports use a
hub? A non-powered hub?
USB hub or USB switch? Since it's plugged into a laptop, it's
probably a hub or docking station. I don't know about "most people"
but I use USB mostly for flash drives and mice. I'm not an Apple
computer user and therefore don't have any Thunderbolt hardware.
USB hub, although the one currently in use, made by Sabrent with 4
output ports, has an on-off switch for each port. I dont' think that
makes it a USB switch, though.
Yeah, I use it for the mouse, an external keyboard, and flashdrives, but lately for the bare drive I use for imaging. Amazon doesn't sell the connection device anymore, but it has its own power supply. And I'm
using USB-A so I'll give it a try with a 6" extension.
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100 watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension
on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100 watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
Andy Burns wrote:
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's
connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension
on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100
watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
If you know much about electricity, you know that watts/amps don't flow unless there's some kind of load.
Also, the damaged chip is likely to be
non-functional, and the power is limited to 60W.
If you know much about electricity, you know that watts/amps don't flow
unless there's some kind of load.
Sure, current is pulled rather than pushed, but the comms between source
and sink device can set the supply to 48V which most devices won't be
ready for.
Also, the damaged chip is likely to be non-functional, and the power is
limited to 60W.
Latest USB PD3.1 spec caters for up to 240W
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
USB hub, although the one currently in use, made by Sabrent with 4
output ports, has an on-off switch for each port. I dont' think that
makes it a USB switch, though.
Yeah, I use it for the mouse, an external keyboard, and flashdrives, but
lately for the bare drive I use for imaging. Amazon doesn't sell the
connection device anymore, but it has its own power supply. And I'm
using USB-A so I'll give it a try with a 6" extension.
Just connect the fast stuff, i.e. the disk drive, directly to the
laptop and connect the slow stuff, i.e. keyboard and mouse and if need
be the USB memory sticks, to the hub. You can use extension cables for
the keyboard and mouse, but I would use no or only a short extension
cable for the USB memory sticks.
FWIW, I also have a laptop which has only 3 USB ports, but I do not
use a hub. If I'm out of ports for a certain task, I just disconnect the >mouse and use the built-in touchpad.
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's >connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension
on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100 >watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:17:04 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's >connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension
on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100 >watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
Okay, that sounds like something I want to avoid.
Off-topic, turned on the upstairs laptop yesterday, and couldn't do
anything. Kept getting menus. Restarted 3 times
Today I looked at it in a fresh light and figured out that my mouse keys
were reversed. I DID NOT TOUCH them. I wasn't even in Settings. Some
weird force must have changed it.
On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:17:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and
power issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what
it's connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an
extension on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk
sending over 100 watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
If you know much about electricity, you know that watts/amps don't
flow unless there's some kind of load.
Also, the damaged chip is likely to be non-functional, and the power
is limited to 60W.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:17:04 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power
issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's
connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension
on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100 >>> watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
Okay, that sounds like something I want to avoid.
Off-topic, turned on the upstairs laptop yesterday, and couldn't do
anything. Kept getting menus. Restarted 3 times
Today I looked at it in a fresh light and figured out that my mouse keys
were reversed. I DID NOT TOUCH them. I wasn't even in Settings. Some
weird force must have changed it.
A polterguest
On 30/04/2026 6:09 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400When reading, I had thought "Ghost" but sure, "poltergeist" but even >"polterguest" works, too. ;-P
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:17:04 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power >>>>> issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's
connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension >>>> on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100 >>>> watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
Okay, that sounds like something I want to avoid.
Off-topic, turned on the upstairs laptop yesterday, and couldn't do
anything. Kept getting menus. Restarted 3 times
Today I looked at it in a fresh light and figured out that my mouse keys >>> were reversed. I DID NOT TOUCH them. I wasn't even in Settings. Some
weird force must have changed it.
A polterguest
\In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:39:35 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 30/04/2026 6:09 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400When reading, I had thought "Ghost" but sure, "poltergeist" but even
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 28 Apr 2026 08:17:04 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
ASI says that USB extension cords "risk signal degradation and power >>>>>> issues, especially for USB-C".
Higher spec cables often contain chips at each end, to tell what it's >>>>> connected to what speed/power it can handle, if you whack an extension >>>>> on the end, that information will be wrong and you risk sending over 100 >>>>> watts of power down a cable not rated for it ...
Okay, that sounds like something I want to avoid.
Off-topic, turned on the upstairs laptop yesterday, and couldn't do
anything. Kept getting menus. Restarted 3 times
Today I looked at it in a fresh light and figured out that my mouse keys >>>> were reversed. I DID NOT TOUCH them. I wasn't even in Settings. Some >>>> weird force must have changed it.
A polterguest
"polterguest" works, too. ;-P
I wonder what else it's doing.
If you think of an Open Circuit as a load of Infinite Resistance, there
IS an infinitesimally small amount to Current flowing .... but, in any
case, Watts don't flow, they are just dissipated. ;-P
--Also, the damaged chip is likely to be non-functional, and the power is
limited to 60W.
On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:35:02 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
[snip]
If you think of an Open Circuit as a load of Infinite Resistance, there
IS an infinitesimally small amount to Current flowing .... but, in any
case, Watts don't flow, they are just dissipated. ;-P
Yes, there will be a little bit of current flowing as soon as the power source is connected, because of capacitance.
On 2026-04-30 20:08, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:35:02 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
[snip]
If you think of an Open Circuit as a load of Infinite Resistance, there
IS an infinitesimally small amount to Current flowing .... but, in any
case, Watts don't flow, they are just dissipated. ;-P
Yes, there will be a little bit of current flowing as soon as the power
source is connected, because of capacitance.
Not his point :-)
On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:35:02 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
[snip]
If you think of an Open Circuit as a load of Infinite Resistance, there
IS an infinitesimally small amount to Current flowing .... but, in any
case, Watts don't flow, they are just dissipated. ;-P
Yes, there will be a little bit of current flowing as soon as the power source is connected, because of capacitance.
On Fri, 5/1/2026 7:41 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-30 20:08, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:35:02 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
[snip]
If you think of an Open Circuit as a load of Infinite
Resistance, there IS an infinitesimally small amount to
Current flowing .... but, in any case, Watts don't flow, they
are just dissipated. ;-P
Yes, there will be a little bit of current flowing as soon as
the power source is connected, because of capacitance.
Not his point :-)
Will this be on the exam ?
Imagine what a hard time Professor Ohm had, studying for his
mid-term.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
"While his work greatly influenced the theory and applications of
current electricity,
it was so coldly received that Ohm resigned his post at Cologne. HeDaniel70
accepted a position at the Polytechnic School of N|+rnberg in 1833.
Finally his work began to be recognized; in 1841 he was awarded the
Copley Medal of the Royal Society of London and was made a foreign
member a year later."
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Paul
--
On 1/05/2026 4:08 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:35:02 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
[snip]
If you think of an Open Circuit as a load of Infinite Resistance, there
IS an infinitesimally small amount to Current flowing .... but, in any
case, Watts don't flow, they are just dissipated. ;-P
Yes, there will be a little bit of current flowing as soon as the power
source is connected, because of capacitance.
If there had been any sort of Capacitance, the current from any voltage held by said Capacitance would have flow immediately after the power source was connected, surely.
Will this be on the exam ?
How did you know the mouse buttons were reversed if you didn't touchq=cat%20operating%20a%20computer%20mouse&udm=2>
them?
I wasn't even in Settings. Some weird force must have changed it.
Blame the cat:
<https://www.google.com/search?
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
Today I looked at it in a fresh light and figured out that my mouse keys
were reversed.
"Windows 7: Switch Mouse buttons" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6HBJOREr4c>
"How to Swap Left and Right Mouse Buttons on Windows 10" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UfHPcNOmfA>
"How to invert mouse buttons in Windows 11" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWN7_bMWimM>
I DID NOT TOUCH them.
How did you know the mouse buttons were reversed if you didn't touch
them?
I wasn't even in Settings. Some
weird force must have changed it.
Blame the cat: <https://www.google.com/search?q=cat%20operating%20a%20computer%20mouse&udm=2>
Use The force: <https://www.google.com/search?q=use%20the%20force%20luke&udm=2>
Blaming the force is a bad idea. I don't think you want to deal with
an angry Force.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
There ARE settings to reverse mouse button functions (for lefties?).
However, if you've had the mouse open, recheck for twisted wires
or solder blobs from your last visit.
On Sun, 03 May 2026 08:06:26 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
There ARE settings to reverse mouse button functions (for lefties?).
However, if you've had the mouse open, recheck for twisted wires
or solder blobs from your last visit.
Hmm. I'm a leftie and manage with a standard mouse (my left index
finger is a bit twisted out of its usual position but nothing I can't >handle).
What >IS< causing me grief is that I have twin 27" monitors and while
I run Agent on monitor 1 I find the program messages coming up on
monitor 2 and can find no rational reason that it should be that way -
so if the cursor suddenly disappears I am now instantly taking a
glance to the other monitor to see if it's there...
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
Today I looked at it in a fresh light and figured out that my mouse keys >>were reversed.
"Windows 7: Switch Mouse buttons" ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6HBJOREr4c>
"How to Swap Left and Right Mouse Buttons on Windows 10" ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UfHPcNOmfA>
"How to invert mouse buttons in Windows 11" ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWN7_bMWimM>
I DID NOT TOUCH them.
How did you know the mouse buttons were reversed if you didn't touch
them?
I wasn't even in Settings. Some
weird force must have changed it.
Blame the cat: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=cat%20operating%20a%20computer%20mouse&udm=2>
Use The force: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=use%20the%20force%20luke&udm=2>
Blaming the force is a bad idea. I don't think you want to deal with
an angry Force.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 08 May 2026 10:14:59 -0700, The Horny
Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2026 08:06:26 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
There ARE settings to reverse mouse button functions (for lefties?).
However, if you've had the mouse open, recheck for twisted wires
or solder blobs from your last visit.
Nope. It's the new wireless mouse where someone recommended reversing
the switches inside, and I haven't gotten around to that yet. This
mouse has never been opened.
Hmm. I'm a leftie and manage with a standard mouse (my left index
finger is a bit twisted out of its usual position but nothing I can't >>handle).
What >IS< causing me grief is that I have twin 27" monitors and while
I run Agent on monitor 1 I find the program messages coming up on
monitor 2 and can find no rational reason that it should be that way -
so if the cursor suddenly disappears I am now instantly taking a
glance to the other monitor to see if it's there...
I had that with Eudora. I had a second monitor connected for a while,
and I moved two programs to it, including Eudora (the mail reader). But >everytime I got mail, the Processing and Filter boxes opened up in the >original monitor. Someone told me I could move them to the second
monitor so I draged one there, but the next time it was a whole new
windows I guess and it was back in the first monitor. So I think there
is a rational reason. All new windows arise in the first monitor and
have to be dragged to the seoncd one. Agent has program messages? I
use Agent v5, and I'm sure I've seen them but don't remember now.
On Sat, 09 May 2026 20:05:28 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 08 May 2026 10:14:59 -0700, The Horny >>Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2026 08:06:26 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:24:45 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> >>>>wrote:
There ARE settings to reverse mouse button functions (for lefties?).
However, if you've had the mouse open, recheck for twisted wires
or solder blobs from your last visit.
Nope. It's the new wireless mouse where someone recommended reversing
the switches inside, and I haven't gotten around to that yet. This
mouse has never been opened.
Hmm. I'm a leftie and manage with a standard mouse (my left index
finger is a bit twisted out of its usual position but nothing I can't >>>handle).
What >IS< causing me grief is that I have twin 27" monitors and while
I run Agent on monitor 1 I find the program messages coming up on
monitor 2 and can find no rational reason that it should be that way -
so if the cursor suddenly disappears I am now instantly taking a
glance to the other monitor to see if it's there...
I had that with Eudora. I had a second monitor connected for a while,
and I moved two programs to it, including Eudora (the mail reader). But >>everytime I got mail, the Processing and Filter boxes opened up in the >>original monitor. Someone told me I could move them to the second
monitor so I dragged one there, but the next time it was a whole new >>windows I guess and it was back in the first monitor. So I think there
is a rational reason. All new windows arise in the first monitor and
have to be dragged to the seoncd one. Agent has program messages? I
use Agent v5, and I'm sure I've seen them but don't remember now.
The latest version of Forte Agent is 8.00/32.1272
For monitoring, there is the Task Manager at:I have the source code that's offered here, but I don't know enough to
Tools -> Task Manager or Ctrl+Shft+T
The open source version of Eudora was released in Sept 2010. ><https://computerhistory.org/blog/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/>
<https://wiki.mozilla.org/Documentation_Project> ><https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Eudora_Releases&oldid=1061787It says here "Eudora OSE 1.0 is based on the Thunderbird 3.0.4 source
Perhaps if you used the current versions, you might have fewer bugs to
deal with?
(I use Forte Agent).--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
"While his work greatly influenced the theory and applications
of current electricity, it was so coldly received that Ohm resigned
his post at Cologne. He accepted a position at the
Polytechnic School of N|+rnberg in 1833. Finally his work began
to be recognized; in 1841 he was awarded the Copley Medal of
the Royal Society of London and was made a foreign member a year later."
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
"While his work greatly influenced the theory and applications
of current electricity, it was so coldly received that Ohm resigned>> his post at Cologne. He accepted a position at the
Polytechnic School of N|a-+rnberg in 1833. Finally his work began
to be recognized; in 1841 he was awarded the Copley Medal of
the Royal Society of London and was made a foreign member a year later." >>
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 09 May 2026 18:35:28 -0700, Jeff >Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 May 2026 20:05:28 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
Agent has program messages? I
use Agent v5, and I'm sure I've seen them but don't remember now.
The latest version of Forte Agent is 8.00/32.1272
I'm not the one having trouble with Agent. That's Mr. Goat.
The open source version of Eudora was released in Sept 2010. >><https://computerhistory.org/blog/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/>
I have the source code that's offered here, but I don't know enough to
do anything with it**.
Is opening the Prcessing and Filtering progress boxes in monitor 1 a
bug? I don't think the author wrote it for two monitors.
On 2026/5/10 7:8:40, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
"While his work greatly influenced the theory and applications
of current electricity, it was so coldly received that Ohm resigned
his post at Cologne. He accepted a position at the
Polytechnic School of N|a-+rnberg in 1833. Finally his work began
to be recognized; in 1841 he was awarded the Copley Medal of
the Royal Society of London and was made a foreign member a year later."
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up
the triumvirate, I think there _was_ someone called Henry, but I know
nothing of him.
On Sun, 10 May 2026 02:02:48 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 09 May 2026 18:35:28 -0700, Jeff >>Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 May 2026 20:05:28 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
Agent has program messages? I
use Agent v5, and I'm sure I've seen them but don't remember now.
The latest version of Forte Agent is 8.00/32.1272
I'm not the one having trouble with Agent. That's Mr. Goat.
You commented:
"Agent has program messages? I use Agent v5, and I'm sure I've seen
them but don't remember now."
and I replied.
The open source version of Eudora was released in Sept 2010. >>><https://computerhistory.org/blog/the-eudora-email-client-source-code/>
I have the source code that's offered here, but I don't know enough to
do anything with it**.
I'm not suggesting that you raise Eudora from the dead. Instead, I >suggested:
"Perhaps if you used the current versions, you might have fewer bugs
to deal with? (I use Forte Agent)."
--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2Is opening the Prcessing and Filtering progress boxes in monitor 1 a
bug? I don't think the author wrote it for two monitors.
I don't know. I are not a programmist.
On 5/10/26 12:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/5/10 7:8:40, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
"While his work greatly influenced the theory and applications
of current electricity, it was so coldly received that Ohm resigned >>>> his post at Cologne. He accepted a position at the
Polytechnic School of N|+rnberg in 1833. Finally his work began
to be recognized; in 1841 he was awarded the Copley Medal of
the Royal Society of London and was made a foreign member a year later."
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up
the triumvirate, I think there _was_ someone called Henry, but I know
nothing of him.
Joseph Henry. He has his own Wikipedia entry.
Jeroen Belleman--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 10 May 2026 08:47:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2026 02:02:48 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 09 May 2026 18:35:28 -0700, Jeff
Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 May 2026 20:05:28 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:
Agent has program messages? I
use Agent v5, and I'm sure I've seen them but don't remember now.
The latest version of Forte Agent is 8.00/32.1272
I'm not the one having trouble with Agent. That's Mr. Goat.
You commented:
"Agent has program messages? I use Agent v5, and I'm sure I've seen
them but don't remember now."
and I replied.
Aha. I think I need the latest updates for my brain. I wonder if
Microsoft can help me.
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 10 May 2026 21:18:53 +0200, Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:[]
On 5/10/26 12:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/5/10 7:8:40, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up >>> the triumvirate, I think there _was_ someone called Henry, but I know
nothing of him.
Joseph Henry. He has his own Wikipedia entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry The surname of my next door neighbor is Henry. Not very common. I should ask him if he's ralated.
Jeroen Belleman
On 2026/5/10 20:41:42, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 10 May 2026 21:18:53 +0200, Jeroen[]
Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 5/10/26 12:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/5/10 7:8:40, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up >>>> the triumvirate, I think there _was_ someone called Henry, but I know
nothing of him.
Joseph Henry. He has his own Wikipedia entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry The surname of my next door
neighbor is Henry. Not very common. I should ask him if he's ralated.
Jeroen Belleman
FreeBMD.org.uk shows 30479 births with that surname in England & Wales
since (civil) records began (i. e. mid-1837), so yes - not that common.
On Mon, 11 May 2026 13:16:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/10 20:41:42, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 10 May 2026 21:18:53 +0200, Jeroen[]
Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 5/10/26 12:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/5/10 7:8:40, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul >>>>>> <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up >>>>> the triumvirate, I think there _was_ someone called Henry, but I know >>>>> nothing of him.
Joseph Henry. He has his own Wikipedia entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry The surname of my next door >>> neighbor is Henry. Not very common. I should ask him if he's ralated. >>>
Jeroen Belleman
FreeBMD.org.uk shows 30479 births with that surname in England & Wales
since (civil) records began (i. e. mid-1837), so yes - not that common.
Not all the great contributors had units named after them. Oliver
Heavyside springs to mind in this regard.
On Mon, 11 May 2026 13:16:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/10 20:41:42, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 10 May 2026 21:18:53 +0200, Jeroen[]
Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 5/10/26 12:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/5/10 7:8:40, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul >>>>>> <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up >>>>> the triumvirate, I think there _was_ someone called Henry, but I know >>>>> nothing of him.
Joseph Henry. He has his own Wikipedia entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry The surname of my next door >>> neighbor is Henry. Not very common. I should ask him if he's ralated. >>>
Jeroen Belleman
FreeBMD.org.uk shows 30479 births with that surname in England & Wales
since (civil) records began (i. e. mid-1837), so yes - not that common.
Not all the great contributors had units named after them. Oliver
Heavyside springs to mind in this regard.
On Mon, 11 May 2026 13:16:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2026/5/10 20:41:42, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Sun, 10 May 2026 21:18:53 +0200, Jeroen[]
Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 5/10/26 12:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/5/10 7:8:40, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Fri, 1 May 2026 12:38:46 -0400, Paul >>>>>> <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georg-Ohm
The same thing happened to Fred Capacitor.
Good one. I guess science was already tough in those days.
Of course, the real person to look at there is Farad(ay). And to make up >>>>> the triumvirate, I think there _was_ someone called Henry, but I know >>>>> nothing of him.
Joseph Henry. He has his own Wikipedia entry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry The surname of my next door >>> neighbor is Henry. Not very common. I should ask him if he's ralated. >>>
Jeroen Belleman
FreeBMD.org.uk shows 30479 births with that surname in England & Wales >>since (civil) records began (i. e. mid-1837), so yes - not that common.
Not all the great contributors had units named after them. Oliver
Heavyside springs to mind in this regard.
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