• wiring up alternate desktop power switch Dell XPS 420?

    From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Sat Jan 31 09:22:57 2026
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    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today. I had
    a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected the
    power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the power supply. However, much to my surprise, there were two green wires. When
    I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering the other, power
    supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire that
    did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. Power was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground. The power supply started,
    but it was only after I then pressed the front power button on the
    desktop that it started right up. In fact, I'm sending this message
    from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type. The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the aforementioned configuration. However, I think the option, to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/ turn
    off, or is it something more? I almost think a temporary switch is
    needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed until
    power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little complicated to
    me. Thanks in advance for any help.
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  • From legg@legg@nospam.magma.ca to sci.electronics.repair on Sat Jan 31 11:36:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 09:22:57 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    Dell XPS 420

    The supply looks generic, so replacing it shouldn't
    be a big deal.

    RL
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  • From Bennett Price@bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu to sci.electronics.repair on Sat Jan 31 09:46:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I had
    a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected the
    power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green wires.-a When
    I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering the other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire that
    did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.-a Power was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply started,
    but it was only after I then pressed the front power button on the
    desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this message
    from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/ turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary switch is
    needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed until
    power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns off.
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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Sat Jan 31 13:32:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green
    wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire
    that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.-a Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply
    started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/
    turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed
    until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of. I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green line
    to the power supply and ground. I cut that green line to the
    motherboard. If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the
    desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single switch or obtaining an original replacement PC switch board. I really need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns off.

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  • From Bennett Price@bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu to sci.electronics.repair on Sat Jan 31 20:06:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 1/31/2026 10:32 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green
    wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering
    the other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire
    that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.-a Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply
    started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think would
    be next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up
    a toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire,
    splicing both green wires together, and have that go to ground for
    start up/ turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a
    temporary switch is needed somewhere since the front power button is
    only depressed until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little complicated
    to me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green line
    to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single switch or obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle switch
    - on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns off.

    And what happens if both greens are permanently connected to ground?
    Does the fan start w/o pressing the front panel switch?
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  • From legg@legg@nospam.magma.ca to sci.electronics.repair on Sun Feb 1 13:43:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the
    power supply.a However, much to my surprise, there were two green
    wires.a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire
    that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.a Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.a The power supply
    started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power button
    on the desktop that it started right up.a In fact, I'm sending this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.a The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the
    aforementioned configuration.a However, I think the option, to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/
    turn off, or is it something more?a I almost think a temporary switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed
    until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little complicated to
    me.a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of. I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green line
    to the power supply and ground. I cut that green line to the
    motherboard. If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the >desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single switch or >obtaining an original replacement PC switch board. I really need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo.

    RL
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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Sun Feb 1 15:28:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green
    wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering the >>>> other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire
    that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.-a Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply
    started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think would be >>>> next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, splicing >>>> both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/
    turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary switch >>>> is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed
    until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little complicated to >>>> me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of. I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green line
    to the power supply and ground. I cut that green line to the
    motherboard. If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the
    desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board. I really need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle switch - >>> on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo.

    RL

    Ahhh, good point. Something I hadn't thought of because my system auto
    syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the Internet. In
    the BIOS however, just checked the date and time. Date is fine (today)
    but time is slow by 8 hours. Time to do a battery swap I think.
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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Mon Feb 2 10:49:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I >>>>> had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected >>>>> the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the >>>>> power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green
    wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering the >>>>> other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire
    that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.-a Power >>>>> was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply
    started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power button >>>>> on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this >>>>> message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the >>>>> aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think would be >>>>> next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, splicing >>>>> both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/
    turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary switch >>>>> is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed
    until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little complicated to >>>>> me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green line
    to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the
    motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan begins >>> to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the
    desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle
    switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo.

    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my system auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the Internet.-a In
    the BIOS however, just checked the date and time.-a Date is fine (today)
    but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to do a battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today. Once installed, will
    rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back. I'm also going to
    save this thread for future reference because I have another desktop
    that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering whether or not had
    the same problem. Going to check it out later this week.
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  • From Bennett Price@bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu to sci.electronics.repair on Mon Feb 2 13:02:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I >>>>>> had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected >>>>>> the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on the >>>>>> power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>> wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when jumpering >>>>>> the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire >>>>>> that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.-a Power >>>>>> was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply
    started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power button >>>>>> on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this >>>>>> message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The >>>>>> switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the >>>>>> aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get >>>>>> things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think
    would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a >>>>>> toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire,
    splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/ >>>>>> turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary switch >>>>>> is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed >>>>>> until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little
    complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and >>>>> there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green line >>>> to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the
    motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan
    begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the
    desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots up. >>>>
    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single switch or >>>> obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle
    switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns off. >>>
    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo.

    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my system
    auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.-a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time.-a Date
    is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to do a battery
    swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.-a Once installed, will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.-a I'm also going to save this thread for future reference because I have another desktop
    that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering whether or not had
    the same problem.-a Going to check it out later this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is wrong;
    perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.
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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Mon Feb 2 19:36:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I >>>>>>> had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so disconnected >>>>>>> the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire on >>>>>>> the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>>> wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when
    jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire >>>>>>> that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire.-a Power >>>>>>> was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply >>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power button >>>>>>> on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this >>>>>>> message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The >>>>>>> switch must have only partially failed since it still works with the >>>>>>> aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get >>>>>>> things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think
    would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a >>>>>>> toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire,
    splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/ >>>>>>> turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary >>>>>>> switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed >>>>>>> until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little
    complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and >>>>>> there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green line >>>>> to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the
    motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan
    begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the >>>>> desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC >>>>> power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots up. >>>>>
    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I >>>>> find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single switch or >>>>> obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really need to >>>>> have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle
    switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns >>>>>> off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo.

    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my system
    auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.-a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time.-a Date >>> is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to do a battery
    swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.-a Once installed,
    will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.-a I'm also
    going to save this thread for future reference because I have another
    desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering whether or
    not had the same problem.-a Going to check it out later this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is wrong; perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration. Any more ideas welcome.
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  • From wmartin@wwm@wwmartin.net to sci.electronics.repair on Mon Feb 2 23:00:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/2/26 16:36, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on today.-a I >>>>>>>> had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so
    disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire >>>>>>>> on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>>>> wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when
    jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire >>>>>>>> that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. >>>>>>>> Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply >>>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power >>>>>>>> button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending this >>>>>>>> message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The >>>>>>>> switch must have only partially failed since it still works with >>>>>>>> the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get >>>>>>>> things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think >>>>>>>> would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire up a >>>>>>>> toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, >>>>>>>> splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start up/ >>>>>>>> turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary >>>>>>>> switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed >>>>>>>> until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little
    complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem and >>>>>>> there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green >>>>>> line
    to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the
    motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan >>>>>> begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the >>>>>> desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC >>>>>> power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC boots >>>>>> up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I >>>>>> find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single
    switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really need to >>>>>> have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a
    momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle >>>>>>> switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in turns >>>>>>> off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo.

    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my system
    auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.-a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time.
    Date is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to do a
    battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.-a Once installed,
    will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.-a I'm also
    going to save this thread for future reference because I have another
    desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering whether or
    not had the same problem.-a Going to check it out later this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is wrong;
    perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration.-a Any more ideas welcome.
    If your cmos content is clobbered, a new battery will not magically
    restore them. Can you boot into bios mode? If so, look for messed up
    cmos content, reset to defaults if it's scrambled. Then you may have a
    chance to set the correct values. That 8 hr time error is a clue, it
    looks as if the timezone offset has gone to "0", GMT zone.
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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Tue Feb 3 10:18:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/3/26 2:00 AM, wmartin wrote:
    On 2/2/26 16:36, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on
    today.-a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so
    disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire >>>>>>>>> on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>>>>> wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when
    jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire >>>>>>>>> that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. >>>>>>>>> Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply >>>>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power >>>>>>>>> button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending >>>>>>>>> this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The >>>>>>>>> switch must have only partially failed since it still works >>>>>>>>> with the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get >>>>>>>>> things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think >>>>>>>>> would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire >>>>>>>>> up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, >>>>>>>>> splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start >>>>>>>>> up/
    turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary >>>>>>>>> switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed >>>>>>>>> until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little
    complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem >>>>>>>> and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green >>>>>>> line
    to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the
    motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan >>>>>>> begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the >>>>>>> desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC >>>>>>> power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC
    boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I >>>>>>> find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single
    switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really need to >>>>>>> have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a >>>>>>>> momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle >>>>>>>> switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in
    turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo. >>>>>>
    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my system >>>>> auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.-a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time.
    Date is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to do a
    battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.-a Once installed,
    will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.-a I'm also
    going to save this thread for future reference because I have
    another desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering
    whether or not had the same problem.-a Going to check it out later
    this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is
    wrong; perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration.-a Any more ideas welcome.
    If your cmos content is clobbered, a new battery will not magically
    restore them. Can you boot into bios mode? If so, look for messed up
    cmos content, reset to defaults if it's scrambled. Then you may have a chance to set the correct values. That 8 hr time error is a clue, it
    looks as if the timezone offset has gone to "0", GMT zone.

    I took screen photos with my digital camera for each and every current
    setting before switching out the battery. Then it was just a matter of
    going back through the images and copying those settings in BIOS after
    battery replacement. Everything is as it was before swapping out the
    battery. Unless you are saying that a setting was somehow off before
    the battery switch in which case I would have no idea which one and
    would appreciate some clues. Yes, BIOS is easily accessible.

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  • From legg@legg@nospam.magma.ca to sci.electronics.repair on Tue Feb 3 12:14:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 10:18:14 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 2/3/26 2:00 AM, wmartin wrote:
    On 2/2/26 16:36, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on >>>>>>>>>> today.a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so
    disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire >>>>>>>>>> on the
    power supply.a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>>>>>> wires.a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when
    jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire >>>>>>>>>> that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. >>>>>>>>>> Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.a The power supply >>>>>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power >>>>>>>>>> button
    on the desktop that it started right up.a In fact, I'm sending >>>>>>>>>> this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.a The >>>>>>>>>> switch must have only partially failed since it still works >>>>>>>>>> with the
    aforementioned configuration.a However, I think the option, to get >>>>>>>>>> things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think >>>>>>>>>> would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire >>>>>>>>>> up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, >>>>>>>>>> splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start >>>>>>>>>> up/
    turn off, or is it something more?a I almost think a temporary >>>>>>>>>> switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed >>>>>>>>>> until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little
    complicated to
    me.a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem >>>>>>>>> and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green >>>>>>>> line
    to the power supply and ground.a I cut that green line to the
    motherboard.a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan >>>>>>>> begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the >>>>>>>> desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC >>>>>>>> power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC
    boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I >>>>>>>> find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single
    switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.a I really need to >>>>>>>> have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a >>>>>>>>> momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle >>>>>>>>> switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in >>>>>>>>> turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo. >>>>>>>
    RL

    Ahhh, good point.a Something I hadn't thought of because my system >>>>>> auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time.
    Date is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.a Time to do a
    battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.a Once installed,
    will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.a I'm also >>>>> going to save this thread for future reference because I have
    another desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering
    whether or not had the same problem.a Going to check it out later
    this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is
    wrong; perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration.a Any more ideas welcome.
    If your cmos content is clobbered, a new battery will not magically
    restore them. Can you boot into bios mode? If so, look for messed up
    cmos content, reset to defaults if it's scrambled. Then you may have a
    chance to set the correct values. That 8 hr time error is a clue, it
    looks as if the timezone offset has gone to "0", GMT zone.

    I took screen photos with my digital camera for each and every current >setting before switching out the battery. Then it was just a matter of >going back through the images and copying those settings in BIOS after >battery replacement. Everything is as it was before swapping out the >battery. Unless you are saying that a setting was somehow off before
    the battery switch in which case I would have no idea which one and
    would appreciate some clues. Yes, BIOS is easily accessible.

    refer to the user manual.

    RL
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  • From wmartin@wwm@wwmartin.net to sci.electronics.repair on Tue Feb 3 11:30:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/3/26 07:18, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/3/26 2:00 AM, wmartin wrote:
    On 2/2/26 16:36, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on >>>>>>>>>> today.-a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so
    disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire >>>>>>>>>> on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>>>>>> wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when >>>>>>>>>> jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green >>>>>>>>>> wire
    that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. >>>>>>>>>> Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply >>>>>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power >>>>>>>>>> button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending >>>>>>>>>> this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type. >>>>>>>>>> The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works >>>>>>>>>> with the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to >>>>>>>>>> get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think >>>>>>>>>> would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire >>>>>>>>>> up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, >>>>>>>>>> splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for >>>>>>>>>> start up/
    turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary >>>>>>>>>> switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only
    depressed
    until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little
    complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the
    problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one
    green line
    to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the >>>>>>>> motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply >>>>>>>> fan begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of >>>>>>>> the
    desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing >>>>>>>> the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC
    boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either
    until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single
    switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really >>>>>>>> need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a >>>>>>>>> momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle >>>>>>>>> switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in >>>>>>>>> turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo. >>>>>>>
    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my system >>>>>> auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.-a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time.
    Date is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to do a
    battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.-a Once installed, >>>>> will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.-a I'm also >>>>> going to save this thread for future reference because I have
    another desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering
    whether or not had the same problem.-a Going to check it out later
    this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is
    wrong; perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration.-a Any more ideas welcome.
    If your cmos content is clobbered, a new battery will not magically
    restore them. Can you boot into bios mode? If so, look for messed up
    cmos content, reset to defaults if it's scrambled. Then you may have a
    chance to set the correct values. That 8 hr time error is a clue, it
    looks as if the timezone offset has gone to "0", GMT zone.

    I took screen photos with my digital camera for each and every current setting before switching out the battery.-a Then it was just a matter of going back through the images and copying those settings in BIOS after battery replacement.-a Everything is as it was before swapping out the battery.-a Unless you are saying that a setting was somehow off before
    the battery switch in which case I would have no idea which one and
    would appreciate some clues.-a Yes, BIOS is easily accessible.

    A previous to battery change error is exactly what I suspected, given
    the time zone problem. So putting back the settings you found may be
    suspect still...most likely you will have to "discover" what is correct
    for the installed disks, etc. Do you have any way to find the specs on
    your disk drive, so as to confirm what the bios thinks is correct is
    actually correct? Or something else to plug the disk into to see if has
    a valid boot sector?

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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Tue Feb 3 15:03:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/3/26 2:30 PM, wmartin wrote:
    On 2/3/26 07:18, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/3/26 2:00 AM, wmartin wrote:
    On 2/2/26 16:36, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on >>>>>>>>>>> today.-a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so >>>>>>>>>>> disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green >>>>>>>>>>> wire on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two >>>>>>>>>>> green
    wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when >>>>>>>>>>> jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green >>>>>>>>>>> wire
    that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. >>>>>>>>>>> Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply >>>>>>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power >>>>>>>>>>> button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm >>>>>>>>>>> sending this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type. >>>>>>>>>>> The
    switch must have only partially failed since it still works >>>>>>>>>>> with the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, >>>>>>>>>>> to get
    things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think >>>>>>>>>>> would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply >>>>>>>>>>> wire up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, >>>>>>>>>>> splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for >>>>>>>>>>> start up/
    turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a
    temporary switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only >>>>>>>>>>> depressed
    until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little >>>>>>>>>>> complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the
    problem and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one >>>>>>>>> green line
    to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the >>>>>>>>> motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply >>>>>>>>> fan begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front >>>>>>>>> of the
    desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing >>>>>>>>> the PC
    power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC >>>>>>>>> boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either >>>>>>>>> until I
    find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single >>>>>>>>> switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really >>>>>>>>> need to
    have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a >>>>>>>>>> momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a
    toggle switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in >>>>>>>>>> turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo. >>>>>>>>
    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my
    system auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to >>>>>>> the Internet.-a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and
    time. Date is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to >>>>>>> do a battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.-a Once installed, >>>>>> will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.-a I'm
    also going to save this thread for future reference because I have >>>>>> another desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering >>>>>> whether or not had the same problem.-a Going to check it out later >>>>>> this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is
    wrong; perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration.-a Any more ideas welcome.
    If your cmos content is clobbered, a new battery will not magically
    restore them. Can you boot into bios mode? If so, look for messed up
    cmos content, reset to defaults if it's scrambled. Then you may have
    a chance to set the correct values. That 8 hr time error is a clue,
    it looks as if the timezone offset has gone to "0", GMT zone.

    I took screen photos with my digital camera for each and every current
    setting before switching out the battery.-a Then it was just a matter
    of going back through the images and copying those settings in BIOS
    after battery replacement.-a Everything is as it was before swapping
    out the battery.-a Unless you are saying that a setting was somehow off
    before the battery switch in which case I would have no idea which one
    and would appreciate some clues.-a Yes, BIOS is easily accessible.

    A previous to battery change error is exactly what I suspected, given
    the time zone problem. So putting back the settings you found may be
    suspect still...most likely you will have to "discover" what is correct
    for the installed disks, etc. Do you have any way to find the specs on
    your disk drive, so as to confirm what the bios thinks is correct is actually correct? Or something else to plug the disk into to see if has
    a valid boot sector?


    One think I think I should also mention is that this is a dual boot
    system: either Linux or Win, selected at start up. Info I came across suggests that the incorrect hours are normal when operating in this configuration.

    Are you suggesting that maybe the start up sequence is wrong in the
    BIOS? By the way, I've owned the PC since it came out in 2008 and never changed the battery until yesterday. I was amazed that it lasted as
    long as it did and voltage testing yesterday revealed that it was still
    3.1 VDC once removed from the motherboard.
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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Tue Feb 3 15:04:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/3/26 12:14 PM, legg wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 10:18:14 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 2/3/26 2:00 AM, wmartin wrote:
    On 2/2/26 16:36, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on >>>>>>>>>>> today.-a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so
    disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire >>>>>>>>>>> on the
    power supply.-a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>>>>>>> wires.-a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when >>>>>>>>>>> jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire >>>>>>>>>>> that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. >>>>>>>>>>> Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.-a The power supply >>>>>>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power >>>>>>>>>>> button
    on the desktop that it started right up.-a In fact, I'm sending >>>>>>>>>>> this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.-a The >>>>>>>>>>> switch must have only partially failed since it still works >>>>>>>>>>> with the
    aforementioned configuration.-a However, I think the option, to get >>>>>>>>>>> things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think >>>>>>>>>>> would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire >>>>>>>>>>> up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, >>>>>>>>>>> splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start >>>>>>>>>>> up/
    turn off, or is it something more?-a I almost think a temporary >>>>>>>>>>> switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed >>>>>>>>>>> until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little
    complicated to
    me.-a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem >>>>>>>>>> and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.-a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green >>>>>>>>> line
    to the power supply and ground.-a I cut that green line to the >>>>>>>>> motherboard.-a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan >>>>>>>>> begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the >>>>>>>>> desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC >>>>>>>>> power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC >>>>>>>>> boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I >>>>>>>>> find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single >>>>>>>>> switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.-a I really need to >>>>>>>>> have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a >>>>>>>>>> momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle >>>>>>>>>> switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in >>>>>>>>>> turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo. >>>>>>>>
    RL

    Ahhh, good point.-a Something I hadn't thought of because my system >>>>>>> auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.-a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time. >>>>>>> Date is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.-a Time to do a >>>>>>> battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.-a Once installed, >>>>>> will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.-a I'm also >>>>>> going to save this thread for future reference because I have
    another desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering >>>>>> whether or not had the same problem.-a Going to check it out later >>>>>> this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is
    wrong; perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration.-a Any more ideas welcome.
    If your cmos content is clobbered, a new battery will not magically
    restore them. Can you boot into bios mode? If so, look for messed up
    cmos content, reset to defaults if it's scrambled. Then you may have a
    chance to set the correct values. That 8 hr time error is a clue, it
    looks as if the timezone offset has gone to "0", GMT zone.

    I took screen photos with my digital camera for each and every current
    setting before switching out the battery. Then it was just a matter of
    going back through the images and copying those settings in BIOS after
    battery replacement. Everything is as it was before swapping out the
    battery. Unless you are saying that a setting was somehow off before
    the battery switch in which case I would have no idea which one and
    would appreciate some clues. Yes, BIOS is easily accessible.

    refer to the user manual.

    Unfortunately, not much help. It refers to beep codes and light
    combinations on the top LCD screen. I have had no codes or light
    indications that anything was wrong. > RL

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  • From legg@legg@nospam.magma.ca to sci.electronics.repair on Wed Feb 4 08:39:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 15:04:49 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 2/3/26 12:14 PM, legg wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 10:18:14 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 2/3/26 2:00 AM, wmartin wrote:
    On 2/2/26 16:36, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/2/26 4:02 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 2/2/2026 7:49 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 3:28 PM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    On 2/1/26 1:43 PM, legg wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:32:39 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 1/31/26 12:46 PM, Bennett Price wrote:
    On 1/31/2026 6:22 AM, Harvey Sanenbum wrote:
    I have an old Dell XPS 420 desktop that wouldn't power on >>>>>>>>>>>> today.a I
    had a hunch that it might be the front power switch, so >>>>>>>>>>>> disconnected
    the power from the motherboard and then located the green wire >>>>>>>>>>>> on the
    power supply.a However, much to my surprise, there were two green >>>>>>>>>>>> wires.a When I jumpered one to ground, nothing, but when >>>>>>>>>>>> jumpering the
    other, power supply fan started up.

    Before reconnecting power to the motherboard, I cut the green wire >>>>>>>>>>>> that did work and temporarily extended it with a jumper wire. >>>>>>>>>>>> Power
    was reconnected and the jumper wire to ground.a The power supply >>>>>>>>>>>> started, but it was only after I then pressed the front power >>>>>>>>>>>> button
    on the desktop that it started right up.a In fact, I'm sending >>>>>>>>>>>> this
    message from it now.

    I'm a little confused about the wiring and power switch type.a The >>>>>>>>>>>> switch must have only partially failed since it still works >>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    aforementioned configuration.a However, I think the option, to get >>>>>>>>>>>> things back to normal, is to either replace it, which I think >>>>>>>>>>>> would be
    next to impossible given the old age of the PC, or simply wire >>>>>>>>>>>> up a
    toggle as a substitute, but not sure of the wiring.

    Might it be as simple as snipping that additional green wire, >>>>>>>>>>>> splicing
    both green wires together, and have that go to ground for start >>>>>>>>>>>> up/
    turn off, or is it something more?a I almost think a temporary >>>>>>>>>>>> switch
    is needed somewhere since the front power button is only depressed >>>>>>>>>>>> until power up and then released.

    trying to keep everything simple, but it seems a little >>>>>>>>>>>> complicated to
    me.a Thanks in advance for any help.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you fixed the problem >>>>>>>>>>> and
    there's no need to replace the front panel power switch.

    Sort of.a I have a SPST toggle switch that connects the one green >>>>>>>>>> line
    to the power supply and ground.a I cut that green line to the >>>>>>>>>> motherboard.a If I enable the toggle switch, the power supply fan >>>>>>>>>> begins
    to turn at a rapid pace until I press the button on the front of the >>>>>>>>>> desktop, then boot up as normal.

    So, by activating the toggle switch I added, and then pushing the PC >>>>>>>>>> power button on the front of the desktop momentarily, the PC >>>>>>>>>> boots up.

    If no other solution, I guess I could use it this way either until I >>>>>>>>>> find out the correct wiring data for replacing with a single >>>>>>>>>> switch or
    obtaining an original replacement PC switch board.a I really need to >>>>>>>>>> have this desktop functional.


    I'm unclear, however, whether the power switch is, by design, a >>>>>>>>>>> momentary contact switch - only on while depressed, or a toggle >>>>>>>>>>> switch -
    on when depressed and remains on until pushed again when in >>>>>>>>>>> turns off.

    Response to power-on is in bios - check coin cell battery on mobo. >>>>>>>>>
    RL

    Ahhh, good point.a Something I hadn't thought of because my system >>>>>>>> auto syncs to the correct time everyday once I connect to the
    Internet.a In the BIOS however, just checked the date and time. >>>>>>>> Date is fine (today) but time is slow by 8 hours.a Time to do a >>>>>>>> battery swap I think.

    No fresh batteries on hand, so ordered one today.a Once installed, >>>>>>> will rewire as normal, see what happens, and report back.a I'm also >>>>>>> going to save this thread for future reference because I have
    another desktop that refused to boot up one day that I'm wondering >>>>>>> whether or not had the same problem.a Going to check it out later >>>>>>> this week.
    If the time was off by exactly 8 hours the time zone setting is
    wrong; perhaps defaulting to Greenwich time.

    Fresh battery installed and still no boot up, so went back to the
    modified configuration.a Any more ideas welcome.
    If your cmos content is clobbered, a new battery will not magically
    restore them. Can you boot into bios mode? If so, look for messed up
    cmos content, reset to defaults if it's scrambled. Then you may have a >>>> chance to set the correct values. That 8 hr time error is a clue, it
    looks as if the timezone offset has gone to "0", GMT zone.

    I took screen photos with my digital camera for each and every current
    setting before switching out the battery. Then it was just a matter of
    going back through the images and copying those settings in BIOS after
    battery replacement. Everything is as it was before swapping out the
    battery. Unless you are saying that a setting was somehow off before
    the battery switch in which case I would have no idea which one and
    would appreciate some clues. Yes, BIOS is easily accessible.

    refer to the user manual.

    Unfortunately, not much help. It refers to beep codes and light >combinations on the top LCD screen. I have had no codes or light >indications that anything was wrong. > RL

    System Setup page 179.

    RL
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  • From legg@legg@nospam.magma.ca to sci.electronics.repair on Wed Feb 4 08:49:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 15:04:49 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:



    refer to the user manual.

    Unfortunately, not much help. It refers to beep codes and light >combinations on the top LCD screen. I have had no codes or light >indications that anything was wrong. > RL

    https://www.manualowl.com/p/Dell/XPS-420/Manual/106131

    P179 System Setup.

    RL
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  • From Harvey Sanenbum@harvey50120@micro.net to sci.electronics.repair on Wed Feb 4 11:41:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On 2/4/26 8:49 AM, legg wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 15:04:49 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:



    refer to the user manual.

    Unfortunately, not much help. It refers to beep codes and light
    combinations on the top LCD screen. I have had no codes or light
    indications that anything was wrong. > RL

    https://www.manualowl.com/p/Dell/XPS-420/Manual/106131

    P179 System Setup.

    RL

    Already had the manual and went through the set up after changing out
    the battery. Since I took screenshots of settings before the changeout, anything that had changed was set back to how it was before the battery changeout.

    I don't see anything in the BIOS that explains the current behavior.
    Even if the boot sequence was set incorrectly, which I've had happen in
    the past on laptops, I'd still get full power when starting.

    I'm really starting to think that it is a motherboard or switch fault.
    When power on was working correctly, I would depress the front power
    button for a second and the power supply fan would start whirling.
    Then, the light would come on a solid blue and the PC would boot into
    the OS as normal. Now I have to flip the toggle switch I added to
    ground (which grounds the green wire of the power supply to ground)
    before the power supply fan starts, then I press the front button, blue
    light comes on, and boot up as normal. So whatever handled the
    permanent green to ground path upon starting became defunct.
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  • From legg@legg@nospam.magma.ca to sci.electronics.repair on Thu Feb 5 11:03:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.repair

    On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 11:41:28 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:

    On 2/4/26 8:49 AM, legg wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Feb 2026 15:04:49 -0500, Harvey Sanenbum
    <harvey50120@micro.net> wrote:



    refer to the user manual.

    Unfortunately, not much help. It refers to beep codes and light
    combinations on the top LCD screen. I have had no codes or light
    indications that anything was wrong. > RL

    https://www.manualowl.com/p/Dell/XPS-420/Manual/106131

    P179 System Setup.

    RL

    Already had the manual and went through the set up after changing out
    the battery. Since I took screenshots of settings before the changeout, >anything that had changed was set back to how it was before the battery >changeout.

    I don't see anything in the BIOS that explains the current behavior.
    Even if the boot sequence was set incorrectly, which I've had happen in
    the past on laptops, I'd still get full power when starting.

    Load factory defaults is a safe option.

    I'd avoid 'Intell Quick Resume' or any other quick start options,
    until the issue is resolved. .

    I'm really starting to think that it is a motherboard or switch fault.
    When power on was working correctly, I would depress the front power
    button for a second and the power supply fan would start whirling.
    Then, the light would come on a solid blue and the PC would boot into
    the OS as normal. Now I have to flip the toggle switch I added to
    ground (which grounds the green wire of the power supply to ground)
    before the power supply fan starts, then I press the front button, blue >light comes on, and boot up as normal. So whatever handled the
    permanent green to ground path upon starting became defunct.

    Nezt suspect is the power supply, not motherboard. Though momentary
    press switches ARE known to fail intermittent, I've never seen one
    do so in that position.

    Power supplies have internal components/features that can affect the
    power good signal unpredictably, as they age.

    RL
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