used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
IrCOve used it a fair amount in expert witness gigs, where they give you a Windows laptop with no networking to read the other siderCOs code.
ItrCOs a pretty good editor, though of course not a patch on my fave, xx.
Cheers
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 12:07:44 -0700, john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I think you can run ancient versions of Notepad.exe, simply by
placing the executable in a folder and making suitable links.
V5.0.2140.1 , from W2K is about 50K in size.
It has NO features, which is handy if you want to strip
text of any 'clingons'.
RL
I'm not apologist for MS, but what about Notepad don't you like?
Having several tabbed documents open at once is actually useful.
The original MS Notepad was pathetic. Current one is just about useful.
MS Paint is still useless though.
I'm not apologist for MS, but what about Notepad don't you like? || | |Notepad is fine for what it does (very little). [. . .] |
The original MS Notepad was pathetic. Current one is just about useful.||-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
MS Paint is still useless though." |
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 12:07:44 -0700, john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I think you can run ancient versions of Notepad.exe, simply by
placing the executable in a folder and making suitable links.
V5.0.2140.1 , from W2K is about 50K in size.
It has NO features, which is handy if you want to strip
text of any 'clingons'.
RL
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
On 01/08/2026 20:07, john larkin wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
I'm not apologist for MS, but what about Notepad don't you like?
Having several tabbed documents open at once is actually useful.
The original MS Notepad was pathetic. Current one is just about useful.
MS Paint is still useless though.
Is Notepad++ OK?
If you don't like Notepad you will hate the extra features of Notepad++
I use older versions of MSPaint for drawing and editing all
the time.
My only complaint is pixel/dimension relationships, which tend--- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
to distort attemps at scaled line drawings on iffy displays.
. . . . that's the fault of the display.
On 8/3/2026 12:44 PM, legg wrote:
I use older versions of MSPaint for drawing and editing all
the time.
You can't really "edit" with it as everything is implicitly "flattened"; >changing "Hello" to "Goodbye" requires overwriting the imagery created
by those glyphs -- fine if it exists on an empty field but if the
"Hello" had overwritten some background element, you're stuck with
that "litter" even if you can obliterate it with "Goodbye".
As your marks aren't objects in their own right, you can't modify
THEM independant of the rest of the document/image.
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
In message <3ddu6lhv2fipu29u5mhdqhnj4tqjnitd7o@4ax.com>, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> writes
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 12:07:44 -0700, john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I think you can run ancient versions of Notepad.exe, simply by
placing the executable in a folder and making suitable links.
V5.0.2140.1 , from W2K is about 50K in size.
It has NO features, which is handy if you want to strip
text of any 'clingons'.
RL
The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
Brian
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"john larkin" <jl@htigct.com> wrote in message news:asgs6lton01jd4edtg4mmm52ms4e5oovk1@4ax.com...
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I forget how long it's been since I first used it.
Probably at least 15 years.
Some of the things which led me to it were:
Syntax highlighting and language structure (e.g collapse blocks) handling. >Editing vertically as well as horizontally.
Spell checking.
Line numbering.
Ability to record and play back sequences (reminds me of eve/tpu on vax/vms). >Easy switching between different encoding formats.
Ability to make a file read only when I want to just view but not accidentally edit a file.
Easy CR/CR LF line end fixing.
Find/Replace/Mark has everything you could want.
Easy to remove marked lines.
Easy line wrap or no line wrap.
You could pay a lot for a lesser editor such as edt (vax/vms again) on the PC 35 years ago.
On Mon, 3 Aug 2026 13:00:30 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:
On 8/3/2026 12:44 PM, legg wrote:
I use older versions of MSPaint for drawing and editing all
the time.
You can't really "edit" with it as everything is implicitly "flattened"; >>changing "Hello" to "Goodbye" requires overwriting the imagery created
by those glyphs -- fine if it exists on an empty field but if the
"Hello" had overwritten some background element, you're stuck with
that "litter" even if you can obliterate it with "Goodbye".
As your marks aren't objects in their own right, you can't modify
THEM independant of the rest of the document/image.
I mean pixel by pixel, line by line, areas, borders or
adding/subtracting test. Real basic stuff.
RL
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:26:00 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 12:07:44 -0700, john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I think you can run ancient versions of Notepad.exe, simply by
placing the executable in a folder and making suitable links.
V5.0.2140.1 , from W2K is about 50K in size.
It has NO features, which is handy if you want to strip
text of any 'clingons'.
RL
I guess I'll use Crimson Editor as my default for text.
I have a few programs that explicitely chain to Notepad to show their results. I guess I can recompile to call Crimson.
Or I could create a new program (or even a batch file?) that
intercepts the link to Notepad and redirects to Crimson.
This started when one of my programs generated an output text file and chained to Notepad, but the new Notepad somehow opened an OLD version
of the file. Of course Microsoft "upgraded" my Notepad without asking
me.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 11:14:05 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@htigct.com> wrote in message news:asgs6lton01jd4edtg4mmm52ms4e5oovk1@4ax.com...
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I forget how long it's been since I first used it.
Probably at least 15 years.
Some of the things which led me to it were:
Syntax highlighting and language structure (e.g collapse blocks) handling. >>Editing vertically as well as horizontally.
Spell checking.
Line numbering.
Ability to record and play back sequences (reminds me of eve/tpu on vax/vms). >>Easy switching between different encoding formats.
Ability to make a file read only when I want to just view but not accidentally edit a file.
Easy CR/CR LF line end fixing.
Find/Replace/Mark has everything you could want.
Easy to remove marked lines.
Easy line wrap or no line wrap.
You could pay a lot for a lesser editor such as edt (vax/vms again) on the PC 35 years ago.
I just want a text editor that's not all tarted up.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
The problem with edlin (and ed(1)) is they are line-oriented;The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave:
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's modern command-line tool"
On 8/4/2026 8:22 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
The problem with edlin (and ed(1)) is they are line-oriented;The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI
gave:
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into
64-bit Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use
Microsoft's
modern command-line tool"
OK in a bind (e.g., boot to single user and vi(1) isn't mounted)
but too tedious to use as a daily driver.
In much the same way vi(1) is a necessary evil.
On 8/4/26 18:04, Don Y wrote:
On 8/4/2026 8:22 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
The problem with edlin (and ed(1)) is they are line-oriented;The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave: >>>
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's >>> modern command-line tool"
OK in a bind (e.g., boot to single user and vi(1) isn't mounted)
but too tedious to use as a daily driver.
In much the same way vi(1) is a necessary evil.
hasn't nano become the default for sane people?
In much the same way vi(1) is a necessary evil.
"Lasse Langwadt" <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in message news:114tpc5$2h98o$1@dont-email.me...
On 8/4/26 18:04, Don Y wrote:
On 8/4/2026 8:22 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
The problem with edlin (and ed(1)) is they are line-oriented;The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave:
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's
modern command-line tool"
OK in a bind (e.g., boot to single user and vi(1) isn't mounted)
but too tedious to use as a daily driver.
In much the same way vi(1) is a necessary evil.
hasn't nano become the default for sane people?
Yes that's my Linux editor of choice when setting up a system.
On 8/4/26 18:04, Don Y wrote:
On 8/4/2026 8:22 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
The problem with edlin (and ed(1)) is they are line-oriented;The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave: >>>
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit >>> Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's >>> modern command-line tool"
OK in a bind (e.g., boot to single user and vi(1) isn't mounted)
but too tedious to use as a daily driver.
In much the same way vi(1) is a necessary evil.
hasn't nano become the default for sane people?
"Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>wrote:
"Lasse Langwadt" <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in message news:114tpc5$2h98o$1@dont-email.me...
On 8/4/26 18:04, Don Y wrote:
On 8/4/2026 8:22 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
The problem with edlin (and ed(1)) is they are line-oriented;The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave:
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's
modern command-line tool"
OK in a bind (e.g., boot to single user and vi(1) isn't mounted)
but too tedious to use as a daily driver.
In much the same way vi(1) is a necessary evil.
hasn't nano become the default for sane people?
Yes that's my Linux editor of choice when setting up a system.
On Tue, 04 Aug 2026 10:48:40 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2026 13:00:30 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> >>wrote:
On 8/3/2026 12:44 PM, legg wrote:
I use older versions of MSPaint for drawing and editing all
the time.
You can't really "edit" with it as everything is implicitly "flattened"; >>>changing "Hello" to "Goodbye" requires overwriting the imagery created
by those glyphs -- fine if it exists on an empty field but if the
"Hello" had overwritten some background element, you're stuck with
that "litter" even if you can obliterate it with "Goodbye".
As your marks aren't objects in their own right, you can't modify
THEM independant of the rest of the document/image.
I mean pixel by pixel, line by line, areas, borders or
adding/subtracting test. Real basic stuff.
RL
Is Paint pixel oriented?
Vector-based programs do better line work; no jaggies. I sometimes use
an old version of Visio to draw figures for manuals, and export as EMF
files. That does very nice line work in .doc files.
You can always convert the bmp original to some other format, but
using the original for revision saves time and avoids discoloration
and 'smokey' edges of a more advanced consumer image technology.
Jaggies are part of the art. Smaller text fonts show the infamous
computer x/y matrix style of yore - still seen in digital displays
and sci-fi art. As long as it's legible it's doing the job.
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>wrote:
On 8/5/2026 7:11 AM, legg wrote:
You can always convert the bmp original to some other format, but
using the original for revision saves time and avoids discoloration
and 'smokey' edges of a more advanced consumer image technology.
Jaggies are part of the art. Smaller text fonts show the infamous
computer x/y matrix style of yore - still seen in digital displays
and sci-fi art. As long as it's legible it's doing the job.
This is a problem with "fancier" tools (that support antialiasing).
I had to resort to Paint to create the bitmaps for the displays
in SWMBO's "HiFi Replacement" because other tools (Photoshop,
COREL, etc.) insisted on antialiasing the text that I was
painting onto the canvas (the display hardware I'm using doesn't have
the ability to render a pel as anything other than ON or OFF)
Being able to experiment (easily) with different typefaces, sizes
and effects made SOME sort of PC-based tool essential -- it is
much easier to type a string of characters onto a blank canvas
and then import THAT into the codebase than it is to draw glyphs
by hand!! (been there, done that in the early 80's with bitmapped
displays; its "fun"... for about two minutes!)
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In message <3ddu6lhv2fipu29u5mhdqhnj4tqjnitd7o@4ax.com>, legg >><legg@nospam.magma.ca> writes
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 12:07:44 -0700, john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I think you can run ancient versions of Notepad.exe, simply by
placing the executable in a folder and making suitable links.
V5.0.2140.1 , from W2K is about 50K in size.
It has NO features, which is handy if you want to strip
text of any 'clingons'.
RL
The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave:
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit >Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's >modern command-line tool"
Brian
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In message <3ddu6lhv2fipu29u5mhdqhnj4tqjnitd7o@4ax.com>, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> writes
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 12:07:44 -0700, john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote:
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I think you can run ancient versions of Notepad.exe, simply by
placing the executable in a folder and making suitable links.
V5.0.2140.1 , from W2K is about 50K in size.
It has NO features, which is handy if you want to strip
text of any 'clingons'.
RL
The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave: >>
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's >>modern command-line tool"
Brian
--
Brian Howie
Mine works on 64bit W11 . The command there is edit not edlin, which is the stone-age version .Edlin works on my 32bit W10 ,
which I use for legacy software .
Not that I'd use either. However I've grown to dislike the current version of Notepad as it seems to leave millions of tabs open
when I go back to it.
Brian
--
Brian Howie
QBasic was intended to provide some basic notion of programmability.Mine works on 64bit W11 . The command there is edit not edlin, which is the stone-age version .Edlin works on my 32bit W10 ,
which I use for legacy software .
edlin seems to be present on XP which I have in a VM.
edit reminds me of QBASIC which I wouldn't touch now that python is what it is.
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In message <3ddu6lhv2fipu29u5mhdqhnj4tqjnitd7o@4ax.com>, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> writes
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 12:07:44 -0700, john larkin <jl@htigct.com> wrote: >>>>>
used to be nice. Now it's a bloated dangerous confusing mess.
Is Notepad++ OK?
I think you can run ancient versions of Notepad.exe, simply by >>>>>placing the executable in a folder and making suitable links.
V5.0.2140.1 , from W2K is about 50K in size.
It has NO features, which is handy if you want to strip
text of any 'clingons'.
RL
The DOS editor still works under cmd. ;-)
It doesn't seem to be on my system, probably for the reason Google AI gave: >>>
"The classic MS-DOS line editor edlin is not natively built into 64-bit Windows 11,
but you can run it using an MS-DOS emulator like DOSBox, or use Microsoft's >>>modern command-line tool"
Brian
--
Brian Howie
Mine works on 64bit W11 . The command there is edit not edlin, which is the stone-age version .Edlin works on my 32bit W10 ,
which I use for legacy software .
edlin seems to be present on XP which I have in a VM.
edit reminds me of QBASIC which I wouldn't touch now that python is what it is.
Not that I'd use either. However I've grown to dislike the current version of Notepad as it seems to leave millions of tabs open
when I go back to it.
Brian
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