CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 16:12:48 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .Looking at the data, energy density is 80ish Wh/Kg for the first 40,000 charge cycles, reducing to 40ish Wh/Kg above 100,000 cycles.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg if 2V2 cell charging >>limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 16:12:48 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .Looking at the data, energy density is 80ish Wh/Kg for the first 40,000
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg if 2V2 cell charging >>>limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
charge cycles, reducing to 40ish Wh/Kg above 100,000 cycles.
RL
Where can I purchase one?
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to TeslarCOs batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to TeslarCOs batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to TeslarCOs batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced... >>>
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/ >>>>>
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to TeslarCOs batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced... >>>>
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:00:34 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/ >>>>>>
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced... >>>>>
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG >>>>> so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
The US is still inventing things. I see a lot of that going on.
China's big problem is its young people. They don't have many, and the
ones that they have are fairly unemployed, and not dating or making
babies.
Their birth rate is less than half of replacement.
https://georank.org/demographics/china
I don't need a propaganda machine to see all that.
The furriners coming here for the World Cup don't either. The USA
rocks.
On 29/06/2026 7:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:00:34 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/ >>>>>>>
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to TeslarCOs batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density, >>>>>> sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced... >>>>>>
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG >>>>>> so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
The US is still inventing things. I see a lot of that going on.
China's big problem is its young people. They don't have many, and the
ones that they have are fairly unemployed, and not dating or making
babies.
Their birth rate is less than half of replacement.
https://georank.org/demographics/china
No advanced industrial society has a local birth rate that would sustain
the existing population level.
Once we stopped having half our children die of infectious diseases
before they got old enough to reproduce. our populations went up
rapldly, and over-shot. The correction is now in progress.
I don't need a propaganda machine to see all that.
You do need to understand a bit more to make senses of it.
The furriners coming here for the World Cup don't either. The USA
rocks.
It knows how to spend money to give visitors a good time.
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>wrote:
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/ >>>>>
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density,
sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced... >>>>
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 13:54:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/06/2026 7:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:00:34 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl - with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/ >>>>>>>>
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm
Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density, >>>>>>> sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 V to 230 V 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG >>>>>>> so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it!
And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot >>>>> of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
The US is still inventing things. I see a lot of that going on.
China's big problem is its young people. They don't have many, and the
ones that they have are fairly unemployed, and not dating or making
babies.
Their birth rate is less than half of replacement.
https://georank.org/demographics/china
No advanced industrial society has a local birth rate that would sustain
the existing population level.
A gradual decline of the world's population in happening, and it's
good. But a population that's falling off a cliff, half of replacement
rate, causes big problems.
Once we stopped having half our children die of infectious diseases
before they got old enough to reproduce. our populations went up
rapidly, and over-shot. The correction is now in progress.
I don't need a propaganda machine to see all that.
You do need to understand a bit more to make senses of it.
The furriners coming here for the World Cup don't either. The USA
rocks.
It knows how to spend money to give visitors a good time.
The visitors are spending the money.
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
On 29/06/2026 2:54 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 13:54:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/06/2026 7:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:00:34 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl --a with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/ >>>>>>>>>
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm >>>>>>>> Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far >>>>>>>> better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to
Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density, >>>>>>>> sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to >>>>>>>> lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is
announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 >>>>>>>> V to 230 V-a 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG >>>>>>>> -a-a-a so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it! >>>>>>>> And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot >>>>>> of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
The US is still inventing things. I see a lot of that going on.
China's big problem is its young people. They don't have many, and the >>>> ones that they have are fairly unemployed, and not dating or making
babies.
Their birth rate is less than half of replacement.
https://georank.org/demographics/china
No advanced industrial society has a local birth rate that would sustain >>> the existing population level.
A gradual decline of the world's population in happening, and it's
good. But a population that's falling off a cliff, half of replacement
rate, causes big problems.
Which are probably solvable. Human beings last seventy years - more than eighty years in advanced industrial countries - so the decline in
population isn't all that rapid.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-declining-population
In many cases the decline is due to emigration. In the most dramatic
cases, sea level rise is driving the departures. Russia is losing
potential conscripts quite rapidly. Getting killed by Ukranian drones
isn't an attractive prospect.
Once we stopped having half our children die of infectious diseases
before they got old enough to reproduce. our populations went up
rapidly, and over-shot. The correction is now in progress.
I don't need a propaganda machine to see all that.
You do need to understand a bit more to make senses of it.
The furriners coming here for the World Cup don't either. The USA
rocks.
It knows how to spend money to give visitors a good time.
The visitors are spending the money.
Lured in by events that the locals had to spend money to set up.
It's a money-making business. There can be an element of altruism in
doing it right, but when it happens on an industrial scale one has to suspect that somebody is making a lot of money out of it.
On 6/29/26 12:46, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 29/06/2026 2:54 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 13:54:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 29/06/2026 7:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:00:34 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl -a with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . .
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm >>>>>>>>> Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far >>>>>>>>> better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to
TeslarCOs batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density, >>>>>>>>> sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to >>>>>>>>> lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is >>>>>>>>> announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 >>>>>>>>> V to 230 Va 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG >>>>>>>>> aaa so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it! >>>>>>>>> And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down >>>>>>>> physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot >>>>>>> of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
The US is still inventing things. I see a lot of that going on.
China's big problem is its young people. They don't have many, and the >>>>> ones that they have are fairly unemployed, and not dating or making
babies.
Their birth rate is less than half of replacement.
https://georank.org/demographics/china
No advanced industrial society has a local birth rate that would sustain >>>> the existing population level.
A gradual decline of the world's population in happening, and it's
good. But a population that's falling off a cliff, half of replacement
rate, causes big problems.
Which are probably solvable. Human beings last seventy years - more than
eighty years in advanced industrial countries - so the decline in
population isn't all that rapid.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-declining-population
In many cases the decline is due to emigration. In the most dramatic
cases, sea level rise is driving the departures. Russia is losing
potential conscripts quite rapidly. Getting killed by Ukranian drones
isn't an attractive prospect.
Once we stopped having half our children die of infectious diseases
before they got old enough to reproduce. our populations went up
rapidly, and over-shot. The correction is now in progress.
I don't need a propaganda machine to see all that.
You do need to understand a bit more to make senses of it.
The furriners coming here for the World Cup don't either. The USA
rocks.
It knows how to spend money to give visitors a good time.
The visitors are spending the money.
Lured in by events that the locals had to spend money to set up.
It's a money-making business. There can be an element of altruism in
doing it right, but when it happens on an industrial scale one has to
suspect that somebody is making a lot of money out of it.
Ticket pricing for the FIFA 2026 cup is complicated and variable.
The average appears to be in $500 ballpark, but it varies widely
depending on the view from the seat, the level of the match and the >contenders. With a stadium of about 80k seats, that's 40 M$ for
a single match right there. There are 104 matches. Then there are
the TV broadcasting rights, about 3.9 G$ globally, I gather.
Yes, football is big business. Well, except for the likes of DJT,
who get to rip off a whole country and then some.
Jeroen Belleman
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:48:49 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
<snip>
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down >>>physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Open your eyes.
It's in the application that most useful 'invention'
occurs, by accident and observation.
Brine batteries could make the whole alternate energy
infrastructure increasingly eco-friendly and resource
war immune.
RL
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are. It must be something in the water.
Am 29.06.26 um 16:25 schrieb john larkin:
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are. It must be something in the water.
Algae? DT's general problem solver might work: bleach injections...
Gerhard
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 15:59:55 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/29/26 12:46, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 29/06/2026 2:54 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 13:54:22 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 29/06/2026 7:01 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 20:00:34 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/28/26 18:48, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:49:03 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 05:03:01 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca>wrote:
CaCl and MgCl --a with 10x recharge life of LiFePO4. . . . >>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69384-2
I've seen claims of energy densities of 48.3 Wh/Kg
if 2V2 cell charging limitations are imposed.
(Lithium ~ 200Wh/Kg)
https://torontostarts.com/2026/06/08/tofu-brine-battery-breakthrough/
RL
Wait for it to be in the shops!
I was reading this about Chinese batteries a few days ago: >>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260621060305.htm >>>>>>>>>> Date:
June 21, 2026
Source:
Cell Press
Summary:
Researchers found that a Chinese sodium-ion battery performs far >>>>>>>>>> better than expected,
with production quality and design features comparable to
Tesla|ore4raos batteries.
If engineers can improve cold-weather charging and energy density, >>>>>>>>>> sodium could become a cheaper and more abundant alternative to >>>>>>>>>> lithium for EVs and large-scale energy storage.
See also:
https://qion.nl/product/qso-210ah-natrium-ion-zout-batterij-cellen-4-stuks-in-doos/
So, looking for investors? ;-)
In general, over time, about every week a better battery is >>>>>>>>>> announced...
In reality the same old ones are still in the shops....
OK, I have nice lifePo4 12 V 250 Ah plus 2 kW pure sine wave 12 >>>>>>>>>> V to 230 V-a 50 Hz converter
https://panteltje.nl/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG >>>>>>>>>> -a-a-a so enough to keep the fridge running with the tofu in it! >>>>>>>>>> And some solar panels and a charger...
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down >>>>>>>>> physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot >>>>>>>> of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
You are conditioned by your propaganda machine. China is well
on its way to become a technological super power. You'd better
get rid of the idiots in the white house and get back to work.
Not you personally, I mean, but as a nation.
Jeroen Belleman
The US is still inventing things. I see a lot of that going on.
China's big problem is its young people. They don't have many, and the >>>>>> ones that they have are fairly unemployed, and not dating or making >>>>>> babies.
Their birth rate is less than half of replacement.
https://georank.org/demographics/china
No advanced industrial society has a local birth rate that would sustain >>>>> the existing population level.
A gradual decline of the world's population in happening, and it's
good. But a population that's falling off a cliff, half of replacement >>>> rate, causes big problems.
Which are probably solvable. Human beings last seventy years - more than >>> eighty years in advanced industrial countries - so the decline in
population isn't all that rapid.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-declining-population
In many cases the decline is due to emigration. In the most dramatic
cases, sea level rise is driving the departures. Russia is losing
potential conscripts quite rapidly. Getting killed by Ukranian drones
isn't an attractive prospect.
Once we stopped having half our children die of infectious diseases
before they got old enough to reproduce. our populations went up
rapidly, and over-shot. The correction is now in progress.
I don't need a propaganda machine to see all that.
You do need to understand a bit more to make senses of it.
The furriners coming here for the World Cup don't either. The USA
rocks.
It knows how to spend money to give visitors a good time.
The visitors are spending the money.
Lured in by events that the locals had to spend money to set up.
It's a money-making business. There can be an element of altruism in
doing it right, but when it happens on an industrial scale one has to
suspect that somebody is making a lot of money out of it.
Ticket pricing for the FIFA 2026 cup is complicated and variable.
The average appears to be in $500 ballpark, but it varies widely
depending on the view from the seat, the level of the match and the
contenders. With a stadium of about 80k seats, that's 40 M$ for
a single match right there. There are 104 matches. Then there are
the TV broadcasting rights, about 3.9 G$ globally, I gather.
Soccr fans are willing to pay. Bidding the prices up. Gold and old
Batman comic books are expensive for the same reason.
Yes, football is big business. Well, except for the likes of DJT,
who get to rip off a whole country and then some.
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are.
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 09:10:37 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:48:49 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
<snip>
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Open your eyes.
It's in the application that most useful 'invention'
occurs, by accident and observation.
Brine batteries could make the whole alternate energy
infrastructure increasingly eco-friendly and resource
war immune.
RL
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
On 30/06/2026 12:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 09:10:37 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:48:49 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
<snip>
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Open your eyes.
It's in the application that most useful 'invention'
occurs, by accident and observation.
Brine batteries could make the whole alternate energy
infrastructure increasingly eco-friendly and resource
war immune.
RL
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line >electronic distributors.
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line
electronic distributors.
Good point. That explains why Mouser doesn't sell batteries.
Am 29.06.26 um 18:02 schrieb john larkin:
I think it is more because of transport complexities/air mail.
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line >>> electronic distributors.
Good point. That explains why Mouser doesn't sell batteries.
The Tadiran Lithium battery in my battery noise report came in
a second box from Digikey, apart from the rest. Last time I
checked it was no longer available at all.
Gerhard
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 16:30:45 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 29.06.26 um 16:25 schrieb john larkin:
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are. It must be something in the water.
Algae? DT's general problem solver might work: bleach injections...
I repeat:
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are.
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 19:37:45 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 29.06.26 um 18:02 schrieb john larkin:
I think it is more because of transport complexities/air mail.
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line >>>> electronic distributors.
Good point. That explains why Mouser doesn't sell batteries.
The Tadiran Lithium battery in my battery noise report came in
a second box from Digikey, apart from the rest. Last time I
checked it was no longer available at all.
Actually, Mouser and Amazon sell most any chemistry battery you could
want. Including big automotive lead-acids.
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are.
On 30/06/2026 12:26 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 09:10:37 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2026 09:48:49 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:
<snip>
Interesting that western 'research' is limited to tearing down
physically delivered chinese product.
RL
China doesn't invent much nowadays. They mostly copy and apply a lot
of cheap labor and polluting process.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Open your eyes.
It's in the application that most useful 'invention'
occurs, by accident and observation.
Brine batteries could make the whole alternate energy
infrastructure increasingly eco-friendly and resource
war immune.
RL
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line >electronic distributors.
Builders merchants stock that kind of stuff. In Australia you'd go to >Bunnings, and you'd need to pay them to deliver the stuff to your home,
and most likely somebody else to install it. I've done some
do-it-yourself in my time, but there's a definite limit to the mass of
the stuff you can move around on your own.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
[...]
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are.
Yes, they voted for him.
On 30/06/2026 6:00 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 19:37:45 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 29.06.26 um 18:02 schrieb john larkin:
I think it is more because of transport complexities/air mail.
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line >>>>> electronic distributors.
Good point. That explains why Mouser doesn't sell batteries.
The Tadiran Lithium battery in my battery noise report came in
a second box from Digikey, apart from the rest. Last time I
checked it was no longer available at all.
Actually, Mouser and Amazon sell most any chemistry battery you could
want. Including big automotive lead-acids.
Amazon sells everything. Lumping them in with Mouser - who is strictly a >broad-line electronic distributor - is conceding the argument.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:35 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
[...]
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are.
Yes, they voted for him.
President For Life is far more efficient
than elections.
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:35 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid[...]
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
[...]
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are.
Yes, they voted for him.
President For Life is far more efficient
than elections.
I didn't think Trump had made that ambition official yet.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:04:35 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
[...]
Trump does expose how absolutely irrational and frankly crazy so many
people are.
Yes, they voted for him.
The Left, being intolerant control freaks, doesn't approve of people
voting to select leaders. President For Life is far more efficient
than elections.
The good news is that the same basic intolerance causes leftist
fratricide. When they've killed off all the available "nazis" they
move on to killing one another.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:00:32 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 30/06/2026 6:00 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 19:37:45 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 29.06.26 um 18:02 schrieb john larkin:
I think it is more because of transport complexities/air mail.
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line >>>>>> electronic distributors.
Good point. That explains why Mouser doesn't sell batteries.
The Tadiran Lithium battery in my battery noise report came in
a second box from Digikey, apart from the rest. Last time I
checked it was no longer available at all.
Actually, Mouser and Amazon sell most any chemistry battery you could
want. Including big automotive lead-acids.
Amazon sells everything. Lumping them in with Mouser - who is strictly a
broad-line electronic distributor - is conceding the argument.
I wasn't arguing.
And Amazon generally delivers in a day or two, for free.
Amazon lists a bunch of different Tadiran batteries, with next-day
delivery. I guess that, with their own warehouses and delivery
drivers, they can deliver stuff that the US Post Office won't.
And with Prime I can order in literally seconds, a few clicks, without
a purchase order.
On 1/07/2026 12:48 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:00:32 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 30/06/2026 6:00 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 19:37:45 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 29.06.26 um 18:02 schrieb john larkin:
I think it is more because of transport complexities/air mail.
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line
electronic distributors.
Good point. That explains why Mouser doesn't sell batteries.
The Tadiran Lithium battery in my battery noise report came in
a second box from Digikey, apart from the rest. Last time I
checked it was no longer available at all.
Actually, Mouser and Amazon sell most any chemistry battery you could
want. Including big automotive lead-acids.
Amazon sells everything. Lumping them in with Mouser - who is strictly a >>> broad-line electronic distributor - is conceding the argument.
I wasn't arguing.
True. Your incompetence makes that impossible.
And Amazon generally delivers in a day or two, for free.
Probably not where the load fills a truck.
Amazon lists a bunch of different Tadiran batteries, with next-day
delivery. I guess that, with their own warehouses and delivery
drivers, they can deliver stuff that the US Post Office won't.
Once you have the infra-structure you can work out how you get people to
pay for it.
And with Prime I can order in literally seconds, a few clicks, without
a purchase order.
Making it really easy to order the wrong thing if you don't think
carefully about what you are doing, and you don't seem to. Amazon keeps
on trying to enlist me into Prime, but I think I've managed to stay out
so far.
On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 17:26:32 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 1/07/2026 12:48 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 17:00:32 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 30/06/2026 6:00 am, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2026 19:37:45 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> >>>>> wrote:
Am 29.06.26 um 18:02 schrieb john larkin:
I think it is more because of transport complexities/air mail.
Let me know when Mouser stocks them.
That sort of stuff tends to be bit bulky for Mouser and other broad-line
electronic distributors.
Good point. That explains why Mouser doesn't sell batteries.
The Tadiran Lithium battery in my battery noise report came in
a second box from Digikey, apart from the rest. Last time I
checked it was no longer available at all.
Actually, Mouser and Amazon sell most any chemistry battery you could >>>>> want. Including big automotive lead-acids.
Amazon sells everything. Lumping them in with Mouser - who is strictly a >>>> broad-line electronic distributor - is conceding the argument.
I wasn't arguing.
True. Your incompetence makes that impossible.
And Amazon generally delivers in a day or two, for free.
Probably not where the load fills a truck.
Amazon lists a bunch of different Tadiran batteries, with next-day
delivery. I guess that, with their own warehouses and delivery
drivers, they can deliver stuff that the US Post Office won't.
Once you have the infra-structure you can work out how you get people to
pay for it.
And with Prime I can order in literally seconds, a few clicks, without
a purchase order.
Making it really easy to order the wrong thing if you don't think
carefully about what you are doing, and you don't seem to. Amazon keeps
on trying to enlist me into Prime, but I think I've managed to stay out
so far.
Well, you don't buy test equipment or components. I wonder how good
the delivery is where you are. I can get an amazing range of things,
often overnight.
We buy supplies - paper towels, TP, chemicals, copy paper, pens,
cookies, tea, most everything, from Amazon too. That's sure better
than driving and parking and finding a limited selection at some mall.
We keep a nice array of treats and bottled water for all our delivery
people, which turns out to be fun. The UPS guy and the US postlady
just go into the kitchen now and help themselves, and use our
bathroom.
We're planning a rum tasting.
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