• hi-fi battery

    From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Thu Jun 25 17:28:47 2026
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    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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  • From Sergey Kubushyn@ksi@koi8.net to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 01:51:08 2026
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    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    Eh, what hi-fi for mere 12 bucks? Real hi-fi starts from a grand for
    el-cheapo ones, duh...

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to sci.electronics.design on Thu Jun 25 19:16:53 2026
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    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive. Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea: <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries. <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate. I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years. All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries. After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use
    without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries. Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 14:53:38 2026
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    On 26/06/2026 12:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive. Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea: <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries. <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate. I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years. All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries. After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries. Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I use 9V Lithium iron phosphate primary cells in smoke alarms when I can
    get them - they are the same size as 9V alkaline batteries, but last a
    lot longer - about 10 years - and cost more when you can get them.

    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 07:19:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/06/2026 05:53, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 12:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive.-a Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate.-a I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years.-a All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries.-a After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use
    without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries.-a Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I use 9V Lithium iron phosphate primary cells in smoke alarms when I can
    get them - they are the same size as 9V alkaline batteries, but last a
    lot longer - about 10 years - and cost more when you can get them.

    Bill Sloman, Sydney


    Don't you mean lithium iron disulphide?

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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 06:36:45 2026
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    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive. Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea: ><https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries. ><http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>

    Does it go on fire if you short one?

    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate. I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years. All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries. After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use >without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries. Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I just use 9V Alkaline batteries in my multimeter
    Does not leak, used every day, for more than a year now:
    https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi136835/ah-9v-alkaline-batterijen

    about 2 US dollies

    I do use li-ion in many other things though, high power ones in my drones..
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/charging_chinese_lipo_with_rc_plane_charger_IMG_5473.JP
    And use a lot of 'Eneloop AA and AAA rechargable batteries.
    those have close to zero self discharge too.
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_supply_side_MG_6578.JPG

    In li-ion in my cameras too:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/microvision_mars_attacks_IMG_0137.JPG


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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@dk4xp@arcor.de to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 08:40:54 2026
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    Am 26.06.26 um 02:28 schrieb john larkin:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    Not available here. :-)

    There is an article from NIST on battery noise. (1133.pdf,
    pubs are a moving target url @ NIST.) They may not endorse
    products, so I repeated it with batteries I could actually
    buy.

    < http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/NoiseMeasurementsOnChemicalBatteries.pdf
    >

    and also some lab supplies:
    < http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/Noise_Measurements_On_Some_Laboratory_Power_Supplies.pdf
    >


    Gerhard

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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 09:22:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/06/2026 07:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive. Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>

    Does it go on fire if you short one?

    The lithium iron disulphide primary batteries from Energizer
    have internal over-current and over-temperature protection.
    There is an internal ptc protection device. The details for the
    original cylindrical cell are in the Energizer patent.
    John


    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate. I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years. All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries. After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use
    without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries. Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I just use 9V Alkaline batteries in my multimeter
    Does not leak, used every day, for more than a year now:
    https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi136835/ah-9v-alkaline-batterijen

    about 2 US dollies

    I do use li-ion in many other things though, high power ones in my drones..
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/charging_chinese_lipo_with_rc_plane_charger_IMG_5473.JP
    And use a lot of 'Eneloop AA and AAA rechargable batteries.
    those have close to zero self discharge too.
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_supply_side_MG_6578.JPG

    In li-ion in my cameras too:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/microvision_mars_attacks_IMG_0137.JPG



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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 08:44:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>wrote:
    Am 26.06.26 um 02:28 schrieb john larkin:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    Not available here. :-)

    There is an article from NIST on battery noise. (1133.pdf,
    pubs are a moving target url @ NIST.) They may not endorse
    products, so I repeated it with batteries I could actually
    buy.

    < >http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/NoiseMeasurementsOnChemicalBatteries.pdf

    Interesting, I take it the 'unloaded peaks' that are about the same frequency for all batteries are a local noise source?


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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 09:19:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com>wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 07:36, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S >>>
    $13/ea seems rather expensive. Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>

    Does it go on fire if you short one?

    The lithium iron disulphide primary batteries from Energizer
    have internal over-current and over-temperature protection.
    There is an internal ptc protection device. The details for the
    original cylindrical cell are in the Energizer patent.
    John

    Good

    I have an Ultrafire 18650 that has writtin on those it has internal protection duck duck says:
    UltraFire 18650 Rechargeable Battery - 2600mAh | 3.7V 5.2A | Protected
    The UltraFire 18650 Battery 2600mAh delivers 3.7V, 4-5A discharge, and built-in protection, providing safe, high-performance, rechargeable power for flashlights and outdoor gear.

    And these:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/li_ion_batteries_IMG_6684.JPG

    This also works:
    li_ion_batteries_IMG_6684.JPG


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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@dk4xp@arcor.de to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 11:22:34 2026
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    Am 26.06.26 um 10:44 schrieb Jan Panteltje:
    Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>wrote:
    Am 26.06.26 um 02:28 schrieb john larkin:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    Not available here. :-)

    There is an article from NIST on battery noise. (1133.pdf,
    pubs are a moving target url @ NIST.) They may not endorse
    products, so I repeated it with batteries I could actually
    buy.

    <
    http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/NoiseMeasurementsOnChemicalBatteries.pdf

    Interesting, I take it the 'unloaded peaks' that are about the same frequency for all batteries are a local noise source?

    50 and 150 Hz for sure. The others probably, too.

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 20:48:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/06/2026 4:19 pm, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 05:53, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 12:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S >>>
    $13/ea seems rather expensive.-a Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate.-a I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years.-a All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries.-a After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use
    without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries.-a Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I use 9V Lithium iron phosphate primary cells in smoke alarms when I
    can get them - they are the same size as 9V alkaline batteries, but
    last a lot longer - about 10 years - and cost more when you can get them.

    Don't you mean lithium iron disulphide?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_metal_battery

    does list it as an option, but I have got a Ph.D. in chemistry, and if
    that had been what I meant, that is what I would have written.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 13:05:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/06/2026 11:48, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 4:19 pm, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 05:53, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 12:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/
    B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive.-a Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate.-a I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in >>>> my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years.-a All are >>>> still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries.-a After not >>>> being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use >>>> without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries.-a Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I use 9V Lithium iron phosphate primary cells in smoke alarms when I
    can get them - they are the same size as 9V alkaline batteries, but
    last a lot longer - about 10 years - and cost more when you can get
    them.

    Don't you mean lithium iron disulphide?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_metal_battery

    does list it as an option, but I have got a Ph.D. in chemistry, and if
    that had been what I meant, that is what I would have written.


    I wasn't aware that 9V primary lithium iron phosphate batteries were
    available in the same size package as alkaline ones. Do you have a
    link please?
    John

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  • From Lasse Langwadt@llc@fonz.dk to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 16:24:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 6/26/26 02:28, john larkin wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    a lot of guitarist seems to worse than hifi audiopholes when it comes to
    magic nonsense to "get the right tone"
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@jeffl@cruzio.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 07:27:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:53:38 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 26/06/2026 12:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive. Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate. I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years. All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries. After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use
    without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries. Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I use 9V Lithium iron phosphate primary cells in smoke alarms when I can
    get them - they are the same size as 9V alkaline batteries, but last a
    lot longer - about 10 years - and cost more when you can get them.

    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    Thanks. As far as I know, smoke alarm batteries are non-rechargeable
    (primary cell) lithium batteries and not LiFePO4, which are
    rechargeable: <https://www.google.com/search?q=lithium%209v%20smoke%20alarm%20battery&udm=2> I need to search for info on what cathode chemistry is used in
    "lithium" smoke alarm batteries. Any clues?
    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Martin Rid@martin_riddle@verison.net to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 10:49:42 2026
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    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Wrote in message:r
    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3SJohn LarkinHighland Tech Glen Canyon Design CenterLunatic Fringe Electronics

    Bass players are a strange bunch.
    .

    Cheers
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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Jun 26 16:01:56 2026
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    On 26/06/2026 15:27, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:53:38 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 26/06/2026 12:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/B000HL0L3S >>>
    $13/ea seems rather expensive. Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate. I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in
    my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years. All are
    still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries. After not
    being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use
    without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries. Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for
    gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I use 9V Lithium iron phosphate primary cells in smoke alarms when I can
    get them - they are the same size as 9V alkaline batteries, but last a
    lot longer - about 10 years - and cost more when you can get them.

    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    Thanks. As far as I know, smoke alarm batteries are non-rechargeable (primary cell) lithium batteries and not LiFePO4, which are
    rechargeable: <https://www.google.com/search?q=lithium%209v%20smoke%20alarm%20battery&udm=2>
    I need to search for info on what cathode chemistry is used in
    "lithium" smoke alarm batteries. Any clues?

    The last carbon monoxide detector that I dismantled had a
    lithium thionyl chloride cell soldered in. The battery
    was not replaceable and the complete unit had a rated life
    of 7 years. It actually lasted over 10 years.
    John

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Sat Jun 27 01:11:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/06/2026 10:05 pm, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 11:48, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 4:19 pm, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 05:53, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/06/2026 12:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:28:47 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>> wrote:

    https://www.amazon.com/Peavey-00050130-9-Volt-Battery-Each/dp/
    B000HL0L3S

    $13/ea seems rather expensive.-a Peavy sells them direct for $8/ea:
    <https://peavey.com/product/9-volt-batteries/>
    For the true audiophile, no price is high enough.

    Personally, I don't like alkaline batteries.
    <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/Kirkland-AAA-leak.jpg>
    Instead, I use 9v Li-Ion rechargeable 9V batteries for $8 or $9/ea.
    For example:
    <https://www.ebay.com/itm/275206338185>
    The main advantage is that Li-Ion is rechargeable, doesn't leak and
    has a low self-discharge rate.-a I've been using Li-Ion 9V batteries in >>>>> my various DVM's, LRC meters, and gadgets for about 6 years.-a All are >>>>> still running on my original replacement Li-Ion batteries.-a After not >>>>> being used for literally years, most of these devices are ready to use >>>>> without having to replace the battery or clean up the mess from
    leaking alkaline batteries.-a Unfortunately, Li-Ion does nothing for >>>>> gadgets that draw parasitic current when turned off.

    I use 9V Lithium iron phosphate primary cells in smoke alarms when I
    can get them - they are the same size as 9V alkaline batteries, but
    last a lot longer - about 10 years - and cost more when you can get
    them.

    Don't you mean lithium iron disulphide?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_metal_battery

    does list it as an option, but I have got a Ph.D. in chemistry, and if
    that had been what I meant, that is what I would have written.


    I wasn't aware that 9V primary lithium iron phosphate batteries were available in the same size package as alkaline ones.-a Do you have a
    link please?

    I bought mine from Farnell - I think I had to buy a pack, which was a nuisance.

    They don't seem to to stock them any more.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170223102432/https://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/116967/LithiumFinal.pdf

    gives chapter, verse and x-ray images of the packages.

    The web shows up hordes of candidates - mostly from China - but they
    tend not to go into the battery chemistry in any detail, and the retail
    trade isn't all that careful about battery chemistry.

    https://www.batteryequivalents.com/9-volt-e-battery-pp3-6lr61-6f22-1604a-1604d-mn1604-battery-equivalents-and-replacements.html
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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