On 9/06/2026 5:32 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 02:23:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 7/06/2026 1:59 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 01:23:59 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:=
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
You have my permission to not read the book.
Your recommendation wasn't exactly an inducement. Somebody who swallows
climate change denial propaganda without gagging hasn't got well
developed reading skills.
It's noon and 62F here. This morning it was about 56.
I wouldn't mind a little global warming.
You'd be a lot more nervous if you had a more realistic idea of what it >actually involved. Climate change denial propaganda does skip that sort
of detail.
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping for
a bit,
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593832833
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Tessier-Lavigne
does suggest that that the man had created an environment where the
people who working working with him were motivated to cut corners.
Theo Baker does seem to have exploited this situation with some enthusiasm.
If you want a really bad academic try
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel
When I was living in the Netherlands I knew some of the people who
looked into that case when his students finally shopped him for faking
his results. It wasn't immediately obvious that he was faking his
results, but his co-workers eventually got suspicious enough to go to
the trouble of proving that he was cheating, and cross enough about it
that they took on the task of reporting it people who needed to know.
On 6/06/2026 8:09 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593832833
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Tessier-Lavigne
does suggest that that the man had created an environment where the
people who working working with him were motivated to cut corners.
Theo Baker does seem to have exploited this situation with some enthusiasm.
If you want a really bad academic try
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel
When I was living in the Netherlands I knew some of the people who
looked into that case when his students finally shopped him for faking
his results. It wasn't immediately obvious that he was faking his
results, but his co-workers eventually got suspicious enough to go to
the trouble of proving that he was cheating, and cross enough about it
that they took on the task of reporting it people who needed to know.
A very surprising case - with my experience of universities I would
have expected the prof to be exonerated and the whisleblowers to be persecuted.
Then you've been exposed to a rather poor universities.
I was once involved in a case of a fraudlent PhD thesis where I was
asked to set up a duplicate of the experimental apparatus described by
the student. It had a very obvious flaw in the design and gave the erroneous results I had predicted, which weren't those described in the thesis. The student withdrew his thesis when asked to repeat the experiment under independent observation.
It takes a couple of years work to get a Pd.D. and nobody sane is going
to risk having all that work wiped off by cheating.
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593832833
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Tessier-Lavigne
does suggest that that the man had created an environment where the
people who working working with him were motivated to cut corners.
Theo Baker does seem to have exploited this situation with some enthusiasm. >>
If you want a really bad academic try
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel
When I was living in the Netherlands I knew some of the people who
looked into that case when his students finally shopped him for faking
his results. It wasn't immediately obvious that he was faking his
results, but his co-workers eventually got suspicious enough to go to
the trouble of proving that he was cheating, and cross enough about it
that they took on the task of reporting it people who needed to know.
The MTL paper cheating is really a minor feature of this book.
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 12:27:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:32 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 02:23:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 7/06/2026 1:59 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 01:23:59 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:=
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
You have my permission to not read the book.
Your recommendation wasn't exactly an inducement. Somebody who swallows >>>> climate change denial propaganda without gagging hasn't got well
developed reading skills.
It's noon and 62F here. This morning it was about 56.
I wouldn't mind a little global warming.
You'd be a lot more nervous if you had a more realistic idea of what it
actually involved. Climate change denial propaganda does skip that sort
of detail.
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping for
a bit,
Ah, science. You got me there.
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping
for a bit, as it did (for about 1300 years) during the "Younger
Dryas".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
That happened at the end of the most recent ice age, and melt-water
from the Laurentian ice sheet seems to have been the driving force.
The Greenland ice sheet isn't as big but it is melting quite fast.
On 10/06/2026 2:52 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 12:27:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:32 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 02:23:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 7/06/2026 1:59 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 01:23:59 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>>> wrote:=
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
You have my permission to not read the book.
Your recommendation wasn't exactly an inducement. Somebody who swallows >>>>> climate change denial propaganda without gagging hasn't got well
developed reading skills.
It's noon and 62F here. This morning it was about 56.
I wouldn't mind a little global warming.
You'd be a lot more nervous if you had a more realistic idea of what it
actually involved. Climate change denial propaganda does skip that sort
of detail.
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping for >>> a bit,
Ah, science. You got me there.
And proceeded to snip all the science, without marking the snip
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping
for a bit, as it did (for about 1300 years) during the "Younger
Dryas".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
That happened at the end of the most recent ice age, and melt-water
from the Laurentian ice sheet seems to have been the driving force.
The Greenland ice sheet isn't as big but it is melting quite fast.
Were you born as a slimey creep, or is it a skill you've acquired over
the years?
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 12:37:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 10/06/2026 2:52 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 12:27:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:32 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 02:23:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 7/06/2026 1:59 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 01:23:59 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote:=
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
You have my permission to not read the book.
Your recommendation wasn't exactly an inducement. Somebody who swallows >>>>>> climate change denial propaganda without gagging hasn't got well
developed reading skills.
It's noon and 62F here. This morning it was about 56.
I wouldn't mind a little global warming.
You'd be a lot more nervous if you had a more realistic idea of what it >>>> actually involved. Climate change denial propaganda does skip that sort >>>> of detail.
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping for >>>> a bit,
Ah, science. You got me there.
And proceeded to snip all the science, without marking the snip
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping
for a bit, as it did (for about 1300 years) during the "Younger
Dryas".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
That happened at the end of the most recent ice age, and melt-water
from the Laurentian ice sheet seems to have been the driving force.
The Greenland ice sheet isn't as big but it is melting quite fast.
Were you born as a slimey creep, or is it a skill you've acquired over
the years?
Was that film great cinema? I missed it somehow.
There s a actually a cold spot in the North Atlantic produced by
Greenland melt water - it got mentioned in the Sydney weather forecast >tonight in the context of the general El Nino story - and it is an
aspect of the current slowing down of the Gulf Stream which has been
going on for a couple of decades now. Whether it will get bad enough to
stop it doesn't seem to easily predictable, but it does seem to be a
real risk.
On 10/06/2026 10:56 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 12:37:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 10/06/2026 2:52 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 12:27:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:32 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 02:23:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 7/06/2026 1:59 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 01:23:59 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:=
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
You have my permission to not read the book.
Your recommendation wasn't exactly an inducement. Somebody who swallows >>>>>>> climate change denial propaganda without gagging hasn't got well >>>>>>> developed reading skills.
It's noon and 62F here. This morning it was about 56.
I wouldn't mind a little global warming.
You'd be a lot more nervous if you had a more realistic idea of what it >>>>> actually involved. Climate change denial propaganda does skip that sort >>>>> of detail.
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping for >>>>> a bit,
Ah, science. You got me there.
And proceeded to snip all the science, without marking the snip
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping
for a bit, as it did (for about 1300 years) during the "Younger
Dryas".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
That happened at the end of the most recent ice age, and melt-water
from the Laurentian ice sheet seems to have been the driving force.
The Greenland ice sheet isn't as big but it is melting quite fast.
Were you born as a slimey creep, or is it a skill you've acquired over
the years?
Was that film great cinema? I missed it somehow.
I doubt it. I certainly didn't try to see it.
There s a actually a cold spot in the North Atlantic produced by
Greenland melt water - it got mentioned in the Sydney weather forecast >tonight in the context of the general El Nino story - and it is an
aspect of the current slowing down of the Gulf Stream which has been
going on for a couple of decades now. Whether it will get bad enough to
stop it doesn't seem to easily predictable, but it does seem to be a
real risk.
On 11/06/2026 10:41 am, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 00:55:41 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 10/06/2026 10:56 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 12:37:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 2:52 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 12:27:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:32 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 02:23:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 7/06/2026 1:59 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 01:23:59 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:=
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
You have my permission to not read the book.
Your recommendation wasn't exactly an inducement. Somebody who swallows
climate change denial propaganda without gagging hasn't got well >>>>>>>>> developed reading skills.
It's noon and 62F here. This morning it was about 56.
I wouldn't mind a little global warming.
You'd be a lot more nervous if you had a more realistic idea of what it >>>>>>> actually involved. Climate change denial propaganda does skip that sort >>>>>>> of detail.
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping for
a bit,
Ah, science. You got me there.
And proceeded to snip all the science, without marking the snip
The film "The day after tomorrow" was about the gulf stream stopping >>>>>> for a bit, as it did (for about 1300 years) during the "Younger
Dryas".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
That happened at the end of the most recent ice age, and melt-water >>>>>> from the Laurentian ice sheet seems to have been the driving force. >>>>>> The Greenland ice sheet isn't as big but it is melting quite fast.
Were you born as a slimey creep, or is it a skill you've acquired over >>>>> the years?
Was that film great cinema? I missed it somehow.
I doubt it. I certainly didn't try to see it.
There s a actually a cold spot in the North Atlantic produced by
Greenland melt water - it got mentioned in the Sydney weather forecast
tonight in the context of the general El Nino story - and it is an
aspect of the current slowing down of the Gulf Stream which has been
going on for a couple of decades now. Whether it will get bad enough to
stop it doesn't seem to easily predictable, but it does seem to be a
real risk.
There is a world map in today's SF Chronicle that shows ocean surface
temp rise over the last 100 years. Everywhere is colored hottter
except that one patch near Greenland.
I suspect that the instrumentation wasn't very good 100 years ago.
Certainly not adequate to resove fractions of a degree C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
The cold blob is typically of the of order of 1 degree Centigrade cooler >than the surrounding ocean. Even mercury in glass thermometers can
measure that.
The amount of Greenland melt water must be PPMs of the volume of the
ocean, even ignoring circulation.
The cooling represents a weakening of the thermohaline circulation which >drives the Gulf Stream (which brings warm water up from near the
equator). It's not any kind of direct reflection of coolness of the melt >water coming off the Greenland ice sheet. Even an ignorant twit like you >ought to have been able to work that out, but your desire to trivialise
the discussion presumably blinded you to that.
The map shows high water temp warming just off our local Pacific
coast. I wish! Swimmers die here of hypothermia.
Dolphins and orcas evolved to cope with ocean water temperatures.
Human's mostly lack the blubber layer which insulates marine mammals.
The fat-headed climate change denier may be working on that.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 14:52:36 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 11/06/2026 10:41 am, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 00:55:41 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 10/06/2026 10:56 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 12:37:19 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:
On 10/06/2026 2:52 am, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 12:27:02 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 9/06/2026 5:32 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 02:23:01 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 7/06/2026 1:59 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 01:23:59 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 6/06/2026 10:57 pm, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 18:59:00 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:=
On 6/06/2026 1:14 pm, john larkin wrote:
There s a actually a cold spot in the North Atlantic produced by
Greenland melt water - it got mentioned in the Sydney weather forecast >>>> tonight in the context of the general El Nino story - and it is an
aspect of the current slowing down of the Gulf Stream which has been
going on for a couple of decades now. Whether it will get bad enough to >>>> stop it doesn't seem to easily predictable, but it does seem to be a
real risk.
There is a world map in today's SF Chronicle that shows ocean surface
temp rise over the last 100 years. Everywhere is colored hottter
except that one patch near Greenland.
I suspect that the instrumentation wasn't very good 100 years ago.
Certainly not adequate to resove fractions of a degree C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_blob
The cold blob is typically of the of order of 1 degree Centigrade cooler
than the surrounding ocean. Even mercury in glass thermometers can
measure that.
But how many good measurements do we have from centuries ago? Maybe
the cold blob is normal. Just everyday climate chaos.
The amount of Greenland melt water must be PPMs of the volume of the
ocean, even ignoring circulation.
The cooling represents a weakening of the thermohaline circulation which
drives the Gulf Stream (which brings warm water up from near the
equator). It's not any kind of direct reflection of coolness of the melt
water coming off the Greenland ice sheet. Even an ignorant twit like you
ought to have been able to work that out, but your desire to trivialise
the discussion presumably blinded you to that.
The map shows high water temp warming just off our local Pacific
coast. I wish! Swimmers die here of hypothermia.
Dolphins and orcas evolved to cope with ocean water temperatures.
Human's mostly lack the blubber layer which insulates marine mammals.
The fat-headed climate change denier may be working on that.
I was considering the optimum time frame for the doomsday industry.
If you predict disaster in two years, you won't have time to publish
books and make many TED talks. And when it doesn't happen, it's bad
for the economics.
I you predict wipeout in 200 years, most people won't care.
The concensus seems to converge on predicting doom in 10 to 15 years.
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