• Re: Spice Model for ADI 500MHz Four-Quadrant Multiplier Added to my Website

    From FRAUBRJ@830991797555a556207629e816c86f1a@example.com to sci.electronics.design,alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.basics on Tue Apr 15 12:30:03 2025
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    Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design,alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.basics on Wed Apr 16 01:31:11 2025
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    On 15/04/2025 10:30 pm, FRAUBRJ wrote:
    Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    Jim Thompson died some years ago - or at least we are fairly sure he
    did. He got pancreatic cancer, which is pretty reliably lethal, but
    claimed that it had been detected early, before he stopped posting.

    Somebody here may have a copy of his Spice model. I actually used the
    part, but in a design that never actually made it to production, through
    we did get a couple of prototypes working. The AD834 and AD835 were
    remarkably fast, but not all that accurate. Analog Devices would be the
    place to ask, and they took over LTSpice when they took over linear technology.

    They didn't manage to hang onto

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Engelhardt
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  • From Phil Hobbs@pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Tue Apr 15 11:53:47 2025
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    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Tue Apr 15 14:44:11 2025
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    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:53:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Unless one is really picky, a simple BV block can multiply.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Wed Apr 16 02:23:52 2025
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    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:53:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Unless one is really picky, a simple BV block can multiply.



    Do they come in TSSOP?

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Tue Apr 15 21:00:51 2025
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    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 02:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:53:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Unless one is really picky, a simple BV block can multiply.



    Do they come in TSSOP?

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    The BV price is better.

    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc/AD834JRZ/621076

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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Wed Apr 16 12:45:24 2025
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    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:00:51 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 02:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:53:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Unless one is really picky, a simple BV block can multiply.



    Do they come in TSSOP?

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    The BV price is better.

    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc/AD834JRZ/621076

    I wonder if many peope have a need for an expensive precision analog
    multipier in real life.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Wed Apr 16 17:57:23 2025
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    On 2025-04-16 15:45, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:00:51 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 02:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:53:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Unless one is really picky, a simple BV block can multiply.



    Do they come in TSSOP?

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    The BV price is better.

    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc/AD834JRZ/621076

    I wonder if many peope have a need for an expensive precision analog multipier in real life.


    In test sets, probably. Otherwise no.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    (Who last used one in about 1995)
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Wed Apr 16 15:14:48 2025
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    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 17:57:23 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-16 15:45, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:00:51 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 02:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:53:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Unless one is really picky, a simple BV block can multiply.



    Do they come in TSSOP?

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    The BV price is better.

    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc/AD834JRZ/621076

    I wonder if many peope have a need for an expensive precision analog
    multipier in real life.


    In test sets, probably. Otherwise no.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    (Who last used one in about 1995)

    Yeah, that sort of analog computing is a distant memory now.

    Test sets? How?

    We do still use some MDACs, but we'd go all digital in the future on
    that product. A 1 Ms/s 14-bit ADC is $2.



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  • From Phil Hobbs@pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Wed Apr 16 20:07:31 2025
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    On 2025-04-16 18:14, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 17:57:23 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-16 15:45, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 21:00:51 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 02:23:52 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:53:47 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    On 2025-04-15 08:30, FRAUBRJ wrote:> Hello,
    Where can I find your AD834 spice model today?

    <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www.analog-innovations.com/AD834_JT_SUBCKT.zip>

    No warranties, expressed or implied.

    Unless one is really picky, a simple BV block can multiply.



    Do they come in TSSOP?

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    The BV price is better.

    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc/AD834JRZ/621076

    I wonder if many peope have a need for an expensive precision analog
    multipier in real life.


    In test sets, probably. Otherwise no.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    (Who last used one in about 1995)

    Yeah, that sort of analog computing is a distant memory now.

    Test sets? How?

    A simple test set that needs to compute the power dissipation in a
    complicated situation, for instance.

    Making a measurement ratiometric by dividing out the strength of the excitation.

    Test sets sometimes need to do relatively complicated things like that.
    If you're building one or ten, you'd probably far prefer to spend $50
    and be done, rather than spend a week or two designing it like a product.

    We do still use some MDACs, but we'd go all digital in the future on
    that product. A 1 Ms/s 14-bit ADC is $2.

    MDACs are pretty useful sometimes, because all-digital approaches are heavyweight.

    For instance, in a control loop, you can get much better bandwidth with
    a 10 MHz, 14-bit AD5446 MDAC than a 1 MSa/s ADC plus processing plus
    some normal DAC. It's very common that the resolution required for the
    loop gain is much less than you'd need for a fully digital solution, so
    you just use an analog loop and tweak it digitally.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From FRAUBRJ@830991797555a556207629e816c86f1a@example.com to sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.basics on Mon Apr 21 16:45:03 2025
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    Thanks
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