Since Sticks and MarkE continue to want to support the bogus creationist
ID bait and switch scam, and continue to claim that it is still possible
to support the stupidity, I tried to determine if there was any
legitimate support left for the ID scam as it currently exists. The ID perps continue to sell the rubes on the lie that it is still legal to
teach the ID scam junk in the public schools outside of Dover (the
middle federal court district of PA). Luskin is currently the ID perp
scam artists that is tasked to run the bait and switch on any
creationist rubes that take the bait, and he is co-author of the current teach ID scam propaganda up at the Discovery Institute web site. The current propaganda tells the rubes that the Kitzmiller decision was
wrong, and that even though ID was found to be no science worth teaching
in the public schools that it remains legal to teach ID in other parts
of the country. The Bait and Switch continues to go down 100% of the
time any rubes take the bait because the last thing that the ID perps
want is a repeat of the Dover fiasco.
https://www.discovery.org/f/1453/
All ID has ever been used for, for the last 24 years is as bait to try
to get the rubes to bend over for the obfuscation and denial switch
scam. The ID perps have never produced any viable ID science.
West Virginia and the Dakotas demonstrate that there are still
creationist rubes willing to take the bait, and that have needed to have
the bait and switch run on them. It is difficult to believe that the
bait and switch has been going down 100% of the time for the last 24
years, and there are still creationist rubes clueless enough to take the bait. Not a single creationist rube has ever gotten any ID science to
teach from the ID perp scam artists. The ID perps have continued to use
ID as bait as the only way forward to support their Wedge political and religious goals. The only IDiotic creationists left in existence are
the ignorant, incompetent, and or dishonest. MarkE and Sticks are
evidence of that.
James Tour seems to be the most significant (in terms of science) creationist that the ID perps are claiming supports their ID bait and
switch efforts. As crazy as it may be Tour understands that ID has just been a scam from the beginning. He claims that he is not an intelligent design advocate and claims that he doesn't know how to do any ID
science. Tour just can't give up on the ID perp's god-of-the-gaps
denial stupidity. The Supreme court has already ruled that just because science does not have the answer is not any support for Biblical creationism. Tour's major argument is the origin of life (#3 of the Top
Six god-of-the-gaps evidence for the ID scam). MarkE understands how senseless origin of life gap denial is at this time. The simple reality
is that Biblical creationists that need to lie to themselves about the
the gaps will not support any intelligent designer evidence for filling
the existing origin of life gap. The god that fills the existing gap is
not the god described in the Bible, and any verifiable evidence would
just be more science for Biblical creationist to deny. MarkE is already
in denial of all the evidence for biological evolution that has occurred
for billions of years on this planet, and he would be in denial of any evidence for some designer filling the origin of life gap over 3 billion years ago for the same reasons that he can't deal honestly with the
evidence for biological evolution.
Most of the IDiots left posting on TO back in 2017 quit the ID scam
because the Supreme Court was more than correct about gap denial. When
the ID perps shot themselves in the head by presenting their best gap arguments in the order in which they must have occurred in this
universe, none of the IDiots could deal honestly with the Top Six.
Pagano quit posting after claiming that the Top Six were not the best evidence for the ID scam. Bill claimed that he had never supported the
ID scam (Bill had been an IDiotic poster for over a decade, and had once claimed that he knew some real ID scientists that had some real ID
science). Kalk and Glenn ran and would not deal with the Top Six and instead started posting second rate junk from the ID perps as if there
was still something worth supporting. Kalk could only do that for a few months before quiting the ID scam and claiming that he was going to
direct his efforts into other aspects of his religious beliefs, but
Glenn kept running until he quit posting. MarkE could not deal honestly with the Top Six and started putting them up as independent bits of
denial (just as the ID perps and scientific creationists had done for decades), but all the IDiots likely understood that the gap arguments
did not support creationism, and that if they were ever filled by some
god by the ID perp efforts, that it would just be more science to deny because the god that filled the Top Six gaps was not the god described
in the Bible. They had been IDiots supporting a bogus bait and switch
scam for decades only to realize that they had never wanted the ID perps
to produce any valid ID science.
Uncommon descent never dealt honestly with the Top Six and died 3 years
ago. The Reason to Believe creationists used to claim to be using ID to build their Biblical model of creation, but after the Top Six came out
they reformated their site in 2018 and removed those claims. You would
now be hard pressed to determine that they ever supported the ID scam.
They had claimed that they did not want to teach the junk in the public schools, but they believed that it could be used to help them create
their Biblical creation model. That effort failed and they stopped
being IDiots.
All this just means that the only Biblical creationists left supporting
the ID scam are doing it for dishonest reasons or do not understand what
the scam actually is, and do not understand what it means to their creationist Biblical beliefs.
Steve Fuller has continued to be put up as an academic that supports the
ID scam.
https://idthefuture.com/2157/
Fuller tried to support the ID scam during the Dover Fiasco, but his testimony in Kitzmiller ended up being used against the ID scam. Fuller
had to admit that ID was not science, but he thought that it should be
given a chance to become a credible scientific endeavor. In the years
since he has been delusional enough to claim that the ID scam is getting closer to credibility and is starting to have support from other
sciences, but that scientific support seems to be delusional. I haven't listened to his latest effort with Luskin, but the last thing that I
recall from Fuller was several years after Dembski had "retired" from
the ID scam as an abject failure, and had claimed that he was going to
put his efforts into education. Even after the loss of Dembski, Fuller claimed that support for the ID scam was growing. There seems to be
zero credibility for anything he claims about the ID scam.
I found this guy on the web. He claims to have participated in
scientific research before becoming an Evangelical Pastor.
He seems to know what happened during the Kitzmiller fiasco, but is
still willing to accept the lies that he gets from the ID perps. The ID perps had their list of Peer-Reviewed publications supporting the ID
scam when Dover hit the fan. The papers on the list could not be
considered to be scientific support for the ID scam. Both Minnich and
Behe were authors on some of the publications on the list, but both of
them admitted that they knew of no peer reviewed scientific publications supporting intelligent design. The ID perps have updated the list, but
they are still lying about the publications being scientific support for
the ID scam. This rube seems to be clueless about reality.
It seems pathetic that a lot of the creationist quote mines are put up
as if they support the ID scam (Biblical creationism to this rube). He seems clueless about the fact that junk like Behe's IC gap denial were
never determined to actually exist in nature. Irreducibly complex
systems (if you take away a part the system quits working) exist in
nature, but Behe had admitted at the turn of the century that IC systems could evolve. He just kept claiming that his type of IC systems could
not evolve by known natural mechanisms, but he never figured out a means
to determine if any IC system was his type of IC system. He first
started making claims about "well matched" parts and the number of
parts, but he could never produce a means of measuring well matched in
order to determine if his systems had enough of it to matter, and he
never figured out how to determine how many parts were enough to be too many. He eventually gave up on multiple part systems and started
claiming that 3 neutral mutations could not evolve within a given period
of time in order to create a new function, but he never demonstrated
that there are any systems in existence that evolved a new function
using 3 neutral mutations. He found some systems that had been
identified by others that had used 2 neutral mutations to form a new function, but Behe had to admit that 2 neutral mutations were possible,
but tried to fool the rubes by calling that possible evolution to be "on
the edge" of possible evolution. All he had was evidence that the
systems had evolved by natural mechanisms.
The IDnetwork reopened their web site sometime in the last half decade.
They had quit the ID scam and changed their name to COPE back in 2009.
Their most recent articles seem to be about the obfuscation and denial switch scam, just like COPE supported. They started COPE so that they
could sell the obfuscation and denial switch scam without having ID in
the name of their organizations, but not a single rube ever took the
switch scam from them. Creationists do not want to teach their kids
enough science in order to tell them what they need to deny if they
can't tell them why they are lying to the kids.
https://intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
They don't seem to be very active since quiting the ID scam the first
time. Their last press release is 2007 from before they quit the ID
scam in 2009.
The UK C4ID and the German ID scam organizations seem to be dead, and I can't find working links to them.
I can't find any credible scientific sources of support for the
creationist ID scam.
Ron Okimoto
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