• Re: Secondarily flightless (or partially terrestrial) pterosaurs?

    From John Harshman@john.harshman@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Sun May 4 17:52:09 2025
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    On 5/4/25 9:03 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    Identifying pterosaur trackmakers provides critical insights into mid-Mesozoic ground invasion

    Summary
    Fossilized tracks have provided unique insights into the distribution, behavior, and ecology of extinct taxa. Moreover, because they are
    abundant and often have distinct distributions in time and space
    compared with the body fossil record, they have considerable potential
    for testing and extending macroevolutionary hypotheses. The key to
    unlocking this vast potential lies in reliably linking tracks to their producers, but this remains a persistent challenge. This limitation is particularly evident among pterosaurs, the dominant flying vertebrates
    of the Mesozoic. Despite an extensive record of pterosaur tracks
    spanning more than 100 million years, the identities of trackmakers are unclear in most cases, limiting their use for addressing key questions
    about pterosaur ecology and evolution. In this study, we employ
    quantitative analyses and diagnostic features of pedal anatomy to
    directly link three distinct pterosaur track morphotypes to specific pterodactyloid clades: ctenochasmatoids, dsungaripterids, and neoazhdarchians. These results considerably extend the known
    biogeographic distribution of these clades, supporting macroevolutionary
    and ecological hypotheses derived from analyses of the body fossil
    record. The absence of pterosaur tracks prior to the Middle Jurassic supports evidence from hand and foot morphology indicating that early pterosaurs were arboreal or scansorial. Track evidence demonstrates a
    major radiation of derived pterodactyloid pterosaurs into terrestrial
    niches beginning in the Middle Jurassic. Successive clades maintained a strong presence across diverse terrestrial environments throughout the latter half of the Mesozoic, highlighting the evolutionary versatility
    and ecological significance of pterosaurs in terrestrial environments.

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(25)00446-4

    It's been well established that most azhdarchids were terrestrial
    predators, though I don't think any have been identified as flightless.
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  • From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Sun May 4 18:35:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.bio.paleontology

    On 5/4/25 5:52 PM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 5/4/25 9:03 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    Identifying pterosaur trackmakers provides critical insights into
    mid-Mesozoic ground invasion

    Summary
    Fossilized tracks have provided unique insights into the distribution,
    behavior, and ecology of extinct taxa. Moreover, because they are
    abundant and often have distinct distributions in time and space
    compared with the body fossil record, they have considerable potential
    for testing and extending macroevolutionary hypotheses. The key to
    unlocking this vast potential lies in reliably linking tracks to their
    producers, but this remains a persistent challenge. This limitation is
    particularly evident among pterosaurs, the dominant flying vertebrates
    of the Mesozoic. Despite an extensive record of pterosaur tracks
    spanning more than 100 million years, the identities of trackmakers
    are unclear in most cases, limiting their use for addressing key
    questions about pterosaur ecology and evolution. In this study, we
    employ quantitative analyses and diagnostic features of pedal anatomy
    to directly link three distinct pterosaur track morphotypes to
    specific pterodactyloid clades: ctenochasmatoids, dsungaripterids, and
    neoazhdarchians. These results considerably extend the known
    biogeographic distribution of these clades, supporting
    macroevolutionary and ecological hypotheses derived from analyses of
    the body fossil record. The absence of pterosaur tracks prior to the
    Middle Jurassic supports evidence from hand and foot morphology
    indicating that early pterosaurs were arboreal or scansorial. Track
    evidence demonstrates a major radiation of derived pterodactyloid
    pterosaurs into terrestrial niches beginning in the Middle Jurassic.
    Successive clades maintained a strong presence across diverse
    terrestrial environments throughout the latter half of the Mesozoic,
    highlighting the evolutionary versatility and ecological significance
    of pterosaurs in terrestrial environments.

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(25)00446-4

    It's been well established that most azhdarchids were terrestrial
    predators, though I don't think any have been identified as flightless.
    I would love to know if Quetzalcoatylus could fly. It would almost have
    to jump off a cliff to get airborne.
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  • From John Harshman@john.harshman@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Tue May 6 09:38:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.bio.paleontology

    On 5/4/25 6:35 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 5/4/25 5:52 PM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 5/4/25 9:03 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    Identifying pterosaur trackmakers provides critical insights into
    mid-Mesozoic ground invasion

    Summary
    Fossilized tracks have provided unique insights into the
    distribution, behavior, and ecology of extinct taxa. Moreover,
    because they are abundant and often have distinct distributions in
    time and space compared with the body fossil record, they have
    considerable potential for testing and extending macroevolutionary
    hypotheses. The key to unlocking this vast potential lies in reliably
    linking tracks to their producers, but this remains a persistent
    challenge. This limitation is particularly evident among pterosaurs,
    the dominant flying vertebrates of the Mesozoic. Despite an extensive
    record of pterosaur tracks spanning more than 100 million years, the
    identities of trackmakers are unclear in most cases, limiting their
    use for addressing key questions about pterosaur ecology and
    evolution. In this study, we employ quantitative analyses and
    diagnostic features of pedal anatomy to directly link three distinct
    pterosaur track morphotypes to specific pterodactyloid clades:
    ctenochasmatoids, dsungaripterids, and neoazhdarchians. These results
    considerably extend the known biogeographic distribution of these
    clades, supporting macroevolutionary and ecological hypotheses
    derived from analyses of the body fossil record. The absence of
    pterosaur tracks prior to the Middle Jurassic supports evidence from
    hand and foot morphology indicating that early pterosaurs were
    arboreal or scansorial. Track evidence demonstrates a major radiation
    of derived pterodactyloid pterosaurs into terrestrial niches
    beginning in the Middle Jurassic. Successive clades maintained a
    strong presence across diverse terrestrial environments throughout
    the latter half of the Mesozoic, highlighting the evolutionary
    versatility and ecological significance of pterosaurs in terrestrial
    environments.

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(25)00446-4

    It's been well established that most azhdarchids were terrestrial
    predators, though I don't think any have been identified as flightless.
    I would love to know if Quetzalcoatylus could fly.-a It would almost have
    to jump off a cliff to get airborne.

    Nevertheless, its wings seem much too big for a flightless animal.
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  • From Popping Mad@rainbow@colition.gov to sci.bio.paleontology on Sat May 24 15:42:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.bio.paleontology

    On 5/4/25 9:35 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    I would love to know if Quetzalcoatylus could fly.-a It would almost have
    to jump off a cliff to get airborne.


    I would actually want to know it if really existed. I am not certain
    the fossil record is solid enough to know that.
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  • From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Sun May 4 09:03:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.bio.paleontology

    Identifying pterosaur trackmakers provides critical insights into
    mid-Mesozoic ground invasion

    Summary
    Fossilized tracks have provided unique insights into the distribution, behavior, and ecology of extinct taxa. Moreover, because they are
    abundant and often have distinct distributions in time and space
    compared with the body fossil record, they have considerable potential
    for testing and extending macroevolutionary hypotheses. The key to
    unlocking this vast potential lies in reliably linking tracks to their producers, but this remains a persistent challenge. This limitation is particularly evident among pterosaurs, the dominant flying vertebrates
    of the Mesozoic. Despite an extensive record of pterosaur tracks
    spanning more than 100 million years, the identities of trackmakers are unclear in most cases, limiting their use for addressing key questions
    about pterosaur ecology and evolution. In this study, we employ
    quantitative analyses and diagnostic features of pedal anatomy to
    directly link three distinct pterosaur track morphotypes to specific pterodactyloid clades: ctenochasmatoids, dsungaripterids, and
    neoazhdarchians. These results considerably extend the known
    biogeographic distribution of these clades, supporting macroevolutionary
    and ecological hypotheses derived from analyses of the body fossil
    record. The absence of pterosaur tracks prior to the Middle Jurassic
    supports evidence from hand and foot morphology indicating that early pterosaurs were arboreal or scansorial. Track evidence demonstrates a
    major radiation of derived pterodactyloid pterosaurs into terrestrial
    niches beginning in the Middle Jurassic. Successive clades maintained a
    strong presence across diverse terrestrial environments throughout the
    latter half of the Mesozoic, highlighting the evolutionary versatility
    and ecological significance of pterosaurs in terrestrial environments.

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(25)00446-4
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