• An old fake fossil

    From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Fri Feb 16 16:42:04 2024
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    Tridentinosaurus antiquus (1931) from early Permian in the Alps has now
    been discovered not to represent remarkable soft-tissue preservation,
    but is mainly painted. However, under the paint there are a few poorly preserved bones, so it is, in a fossil. The new paper concludes with

    "Modern tomographic methods might reveal novel information about the
    preserved skeleton but, until then, we suggest caution in using T.
    antiquus in phylogenetic studies." "Caution" is the word for it.


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.12690
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  • From John Harshman@john.harshman@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Fri Feb 16 17:59:27 2024
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    On 2/16/24 4:42 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    Tridentinosaurus antiquus (1931) from early Permian in the Alps has now
    been discovered not to represent remarkable soft-tissue preservation,
    but is mainly painted.-a However, under the paint there are a few poorly preserved bones, so it is, in a fossil.-a The new paper concludes with

    "Modern tomographic methods might reveal novel information about the preserved skeleton but, until then, we suggest caution in using T.
    antiquus in phylogenetic studies."-a "Caution" is the word for it.


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.12690

    Now that's bizarre. I wonder if the forger's identity could be discovered.
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  • From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Sat Feb 17 08:37:08 2024
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    On 2/16/24 5:59 PM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/16/24 4:42 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    Tridentinosaurus antiquus (1931) from early Permian in the Alps has
    now been discovered not to represent remarkable soft-tissue
    preservation, but is mainly painted.-a However, under the paint there
    are a few poorly preserved bones, so it is, in a fossil.-a The new
    paper concludes with

    "Modern tomographic methods might reveal novel information about the
    preserved skeleton but, until then, we suggest caution in using T.
    antiquus in phylogenetic studies."-a "Caution" is the word for it.


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.12690

    Now that's bizarre. I wonder if the forger's identity could be discovered.

    I tried Wiki, but there isn't an entry (yet). I expect there will be
    one before long. But I did a little searching, and came across the very relevant gem:

    https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/tridentinosaurus-antiquus-a-glider-ancestor-not-a-protorosaur/
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  • From John Harshman@john.harshman@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Sat Feb 17 10:36:31 2024
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    On 2/17/24 8:37 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/16/24 5:59 PM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/16/24 4:42 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    Tridentinosaurus antiquus (1931) from early Permian in the Alps has
    now been discovered not to represent remarkable soft-tissue
    preservation, but is mainly painted.-a However, under the paint there
    are a few poorly preserved bones, so it is, in a fossil.-a The new
    paper concludes with

    "Modern tomographic methods might reveal novel information about the
    preserved skeleton but, until then, we suggest caution in using T.
    antiquus in phylogenetic studies."-a "Caution" is the word for it.


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.12690

    Now that's bizarre. I wonder if the forger's identity could be
    discovered.

    I tried Wiki, but there isn't an entry (yet).-a I expect there will be
    one before long.-a But I did a little searching, and came across the very relevant gem:

    https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/tridentinosaurus-antiquus-a-glider-ancestor-not-a-protorosaur/

    Let's not bring Peters into it, though all his fakes are apparently
    sincerely intended. Is digital paint better than physical paint?
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  • From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Sat Feb 17 11:22:07 2024
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    On 2/17/24 10:36 AM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/17/24 8:37 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/16/24 5:59 PM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/16/24 4:42 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    Tridentinosaurus antiquus (1931) from early Permian in the Alps has
    now been discovered not to represent remarkable soft-tissue
    preservation, but is mainly painted.-a However, under the paint there >>>> are a few poorly preserved bones, so it is, in a fossil.-a The new
    paper concludes with

    "Modern tomographic methods might reveal novel information about the
    preserved skeleton but, until then, we suggest caution in using T.
    antiquus in phylogenetic studies."-a "Caution" is the word for it.


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.12690

    Now that's bizarre. I wonder if the forger's identity could be
    discovered.

    I tried Wiki, but there isn't an entry (yet).-a I expect there will be
    one before long.-a But I did a little searching, and came across the
    very relevant gem:

    https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/tridentinosaurus-antiquus-a-glider-ancestor-not-a-protorosaur/

    Let's not bring Peters into it, though all his fakes are apparently sincerely intended. Is digital paint better than physical paint?
    I'd guess that physical paint is easier to spot than good digital
    "paint". Misused AI ought to carry the scientific death penalty.
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  • From John Harshman@john.harshman@gmail.com to sci.bio.paleontology on Sat Feb 17 17:23:41 2024
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    On 2/17/24 11:22 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/17/24 10:36 AM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/17/24 8:37 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/16/24 5:59 PM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/16/24 4:42 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    Tridentinosaurus antiquus (1931) from early Permian in the Alps has >>>>> now been discovered not to represent remarkable soft-tissue
    preservation, but is mainly painted.-a However, under the paint
    there are a few poorly preserved bones, so it is, in a fossil.-a The >>>>> new paper concludes with

    "Modern tomographic methods might reveal novel information about
    the preserved skeleton but, until then, we suggest caution in using >>>>> T. antiquus in phylogenetic studies."-a "Caution" is the word for it. >>>>>

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.12690

    Now that's bizarre. I wonder if the forger's identity could be
    discovered.

    I tried Wiki, but there isn't an entry (yet).-a I expect there will be
    one before long.-a But I did a little searching, and came across the
    very relevant gem:

    https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/tridentinosaurus-antiquus-a-glider-ancestor-not-a-protorosaur/

    Let's not bring Peters into it, though all his fakes are apparently
    sincerely intended. Is digital paint better than physical paint?
    I'd guess that physical paint is easier to spot than good digital
    "paint".-a Misused AI ought to carry the scientific death penalty.

    I suppose you've seen this by now:

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a389b/ai-midjourney-rat-penis-study-retracted-frontiers

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  • From Popping Mad@rainbow@colition.gov to sci.bio.paleontology on Mon Feb 19 20:08:03 2024
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    On 2/17/24 14:22, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/17/24 10:36 AM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/17/24 8:37 AM, erik simpson wrote:
    On 2/16/24 5:59 PM, John Harshman wrote:
    On 2/16/24 4:42 PM, erik simpson wrote:
    Tridentinosaurus antiquus (1931) from early Permian in the Alps has
    now been discovered not to represent remarkable soft-tissue
    preservation, but is mainly painted.-a However, under the paint
    there are a few poorly preserved bones, so it is, in a fossil.-a The >>>>> new paper concludes with

    "Modern tomographic methods might reveal novel information about
    the preserved skeleton but, until then, we suggest caution in using
    T. antiquus in phylogenetic studies."-a "Caution" is the word for it. >>>>>

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pala.12690

    Now that's bizarre. I wonder if the forger's identity could be
    discovered.

    I tried Wiki, but there isn't an entry (yet).-a I expect there will be
    one before long.-a But I did a little searching, and came across the
    very relevant gem:

    https://pterosaurheresies.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/tridentinosaurus-antiquus-a-glider-ancestor-not-a-protorosaur/

    Let's not bring Peters into it, though all his fakes are apparently
    sincerely intended. Is digital paint better than physical paint?
    I'd guess that physical paint is easier to spot than good digital
    "paint".-a Misused AI ought to carry the scientific death penalty.


    Thet Teyler museum has a whole exhibit on this...
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