• US Open 2026: Sasha Zverev is the champion!

    From kalevi@kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Sep 13 21:59:27 2026
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    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    Hahah!

    br,
    KK
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  • From kalevi@kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Sep 13 22:14:50 2026
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    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I forgot to mention it was pretty hilarious that
    Sasha did not realize he was serving the match
    at 5-2. He just won his service game and turned
    away, ready to keep on playing. Then it dawned
    on him that the match was over!

    br,
    KK
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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Sep 13 15:53:56 2026
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    On 9/13/26 3:14 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I forgot to mention it was pretty hilarious that
    Sasha did not realize he was serving the match
    at 5-2. He just won his service game and turned
    away, ready to keep on playing. Then it dawned
    on him that the match was over!

    I saw it and sorta chuckled.

    But then I remembered something Connors said back when he was playing
    when asked how he seemed to be able to ignore pressure and he said,
    basically, that he did not think beyond the point he was playing,
    isolating him from worrying about being behind, or tending to back off
    because he was ahead.

    ...and I wondered if that was going on with Zverev today.


    br,
    KK
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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Sep 13 22:18:58 2026
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    On 9/13/2026 5:53 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/13/26 3:14 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him, his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I forgot to mention it was pretty hilarious that
    Sasha did not realize he was serving the match
    at 5-2. He just won his service game and turned
    away, ready to keep on playing. Then it dawned
    on him that the match was over!

    I saw it and sorta chuckled.

    But then I remembered something Connors said back when he was playing
    when asked how he seemed to be able to ignore pressure and he said, basically, that he did not think beyond the point he was playing,
    isolating him from worrying about being behind, or tending to back off because he was ahead.

    ...and I wondered if that was going on with Zverev today.
    Ironically to your statement, perhaps, it was Connors himself who handed Zverev the trophy.

    That mindset was amazing, you *know* how hostile the new York crowd was
    to Zverev away from the cameras.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@pelle@svans.los to rec.sport.tennis on Mon Sep 14 11:00:47 2026
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    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him,

    Indeed. Congrats Z!

    his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I don't know what Germany has to do with anything.

    What happened to Shelton? Two breaks of serve in the fourth is a lot for
    his serve. I guess he couldn't handle it in the end.
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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Mon Sep 14 19:26:12 2026
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    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:
    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him,

    Indeed. Congrats Z!

    his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I don't know what Germany has to do with anything.

    What happened to Shelton? Two breaks of serve in the fourth is a lot for
    his serve. I guess he couldn't handle it in the end.


    Maybe Shelton was spent after that Alcaraz match? Or maybe Zverev has
    reached a level that is on par with healthy Sinner?
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  • From Sawfish@sawfish666@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Sep 15 08:52:06 2026
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    On 9/14/26 5:26 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:
    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him,

    Indeed. Congrats Z!

    his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I don't know what Germany has to do with anything.

    What happened to Shelton? Two breaks of serve in the fourth is a lot
    for his serve. I guess he couldn't handle it in the end.


    Maybe Shelton was spent after that Alcaraz match? Or maybe Zverev has reached a level that is on par with healthy Sinner?

    I think part of the way the match played out was a combination of skills match-up, and degree of confidence.

    For quite a while it has been apparent to me that Zverev has the tools
    and stamina to be in the top 5 consistently, with a fair degree of
    majors wins. What has stopped him is his odd headspace. He can become
    very flat and uninspired and this costs him against the top level. I
    suspect that this lingering negativity is the deep self-doubt he built
    up by failing at crucial times earlier in his career.

    But when he played Shelton for the US OPen, his head-to-head was 5-0 in Zverev's favor. This did a lot to keep him out of the negative headspace
    and this allowed him to basically play his game without silly lapses.
    And on the opposite side, it possibly put a bit of doubt into Shelton
    when he could least afford it--the finals--although Shelton seems to
    have much less trouble with the confidence part of the game.

    Now, because Zverev was relatively free of doubts, it became a skills
    match up. Their games are very similar, although mirrored, but it
    appears to me that in every aspect, FH. BH, rally consistency, etc.
    Zverev is a little better. And, by god, his serve is even a bit
    better--which I did not think was the case until Sunday.

    Anyway, that's about how I see it.
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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Sep 15 18:57:32 2026
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    On 9/15/2026 10:52 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/14/26 5:26 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:
    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    I just watched Sasha Zverev beat Ben Shelton in
    a US Open final that was pretty exciting and the
    quality was all right. We saw some amazing serving
    from both men.

    Sasha really deserved to win so congratulations
    to him,

    Indeed. Congrats Z!

    his team and the whole nation of Germany!

    I don't know what Germany has to do with anything.

    What happened to Shelton? Two breaks of serve in the fourth is a lot
    for his serve. I guess he couldn't handle it in the end.


    Maybe Shelton was spent after that Alcaraz match? Or maybe Zverev has
    reached a level that is on par with healthy Sinner?

    I think part of the way the match played out was a combination of skills match-up, and degree of confidence.

    For quite a while it has been apparent to me that Zverev has the tools
    and stamina to be in the top 5 consistently, with a fair degree of
    majors wins. What has stopped him is his odd headspace. He can become
    very flat and uninspired and this costs him against the top level. I
    suspect that this lingering negativity is the deep self-doubt he built
    up by failing at crucial times earlier in his career.

    But when he played Shelton for the US OPen, his head-to-head was 5-0 in Zverev's favor. This did a lot to keep him out of the negative headspace
    and this allowed him to basically play his game without silly lapses.
    And on the opposite side, it possibly put a bit of doubt into Shelton
    when he could least afford it--the finals--although Shelton seems to
    have much less trouble with the confidence part of the game.

    Now, because Zverev was relatively free of doubts, it became a skills
    match up. Their games are very similar, although mirrored, but it
    appears to me that in every aspect, FH. BH, rally consistency, etc.
    Zverev is a little better. And, by god, his serve is even a bit better-- which I did not think was the case until Sunday.

    Anyway, that's about how I see it.

    I would love to hear the current (or recently retired) pros discuss
    which is harder to return, Z's or Shelton's southpaw serve. Both are historically massive!

    (I am sure there are podcasts that discuss the above, but I am too busy
    with other stuff right now. Which is a good thing...)
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  • From Whisper@Whisper999@ozemail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Sep 17 02:31:44 2026
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    On 16/09/2026 1:52 am, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/14/26 5:26 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:
    On 14.9.2026 0.59, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

    Now, because Zverev was relatively free of doubts, it became a skills
    match up. Their games are very similar, although mirrored, but it
    appears to me that in every aspect, FH. BH, rally consistency, etc.
    Zverev is a little better. And, by god, his serve is even a bit better-- which I did not think was the case until Sunday.

    Anyway, that's about how I see it.


    When you look at it objectively Zverev is one of the most consistent
    players in the open era. He hit a high level very early and hasn't
    wavered from his mission to be a top tennis pro. 2 slams, finals of all
    4, gold medal, 2 ATP finals. Not sure what his year end ranking has
    been through the years, but he was no.3 nearly 10 years ago. I doubt
    he's been out of the top 10 since.
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  • From *skriptis@skriptis@post.t-com.hr to rec.sport.tennis on Wed Sep 16 23:02:49 2026
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    Whisper <Whisper999@ozemail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 16/09/2026 1:52 am, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/14/26 5:26 PM, Scall5 wrote:>=
    On 9/14/2026 3:00 AM, Pelle Svansl=C3=B6s wrote:>>> On 14.9.2026 0.59, Ka=
    levi Kolttonen wrote:> > Now, because Zverev was relatively free of doubts,=
    it became a skills > match up. Their games are very similar, although mirr= ored, but it > appears to me that in every aspect, FH. BH, rally consistenc=
    y, etc. > Zverev is a little better. And, by god, his serve is even a bit b= etter-- > which I did not think was the case until Sunday.> > Anyway, that'=
    s about how I see it.When you look at it objectively Zverev is one of the m= ost consistent players in the open era. He hit a high level very early and = hasn't wavered from his mission to be a top tennis pro. 2 slams, finals of=
    all 4, gold medal, 2 ATP finals. Not sure what his year end ranking has b= een through the years, but he was no.3 nearly 10 years ago. I doubt he's b= een out of the top 10 since.




    Open era record, stands alone

    Reached the finals of the next two consecutive majors after winning first t= itle=09Stands alone


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  • From Whisper@Whisper999@ozemail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Sep 17 16:10:07 2026
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    On 17/09/2026 7:02 am, *skriptis wrote:
    Open era record, stands alone

    Reached the finals of the next two consecutive majors after winning first title Stands alone


    On 3 surfaces too, clay, grass and hard court. Impressive versatility
    and big match temperament.

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  • From *skriptis@skriptis@post.t-com.hr to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Sep 17 09:52:50 2026
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    Whisper <Whisper999@ozemail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 17/09/2026 7:02 am, *skriptis wrote:> Open era record, stands alone> > Reached the finals of the next two consecutive majors after winning first title Stands aloneOn 3 surfaces too, clay, grass and hard court. Impressive versatility and big match temperament.



    He even won first set and lost a close second one to sinner whom he never beat.

    So I dare to say, had he been more experienced on grass, he could have won that final too.

    But he made his first Wimbledon QF this year...vs Sinner who already played lots of big matches there.
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  • From Whisper@Whisper999@ozemail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Sep 17 21:38:25 2026
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    On 17/09/2026 5:52 pm, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <Whisper999@ozemail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 17/09/2026 7:02 am, *skriptis wrote:> Open era record, stands alone> > Reached the finals of the next two consecutive majors after winning first title Stands aloneOn 3 surfaces too, clay, grass and hard court. Impressive versatility and big match temperament.



    He even won first set and lost a close second one to sinner whom he never beat.

    So I dare to say, had he been more experienced on grass, he could have won that final too.

    But he made his first Wimbledon QF this year...vs Sinner who already played lots of big matches there.



    What's that motto they have at Roland Garros? 'Victory belongs to the
    most tenacious' - sums him up well I think.
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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Sep 17 19:43:54 2026
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    On 9/17/2026 6:38 AM, Whisper wrote:
    On 17/09/2026 5:52 pm, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <Whisper999@ozemail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 17/09/2026 7:02 am, *skriptis wrote:> Open era record, stands
    alone> > Reached the finals of the next two consecutive majors after
    winning first title-a-a-a Stands aloneOn 3 surfaces too, clay, grass and >>> hard court.-a Impressive versatility and big match temperament.



    He even won first set and lost a close second one to sinner whom he
    never beat.

    So I dare to say, had he been more experienced on grass, he could have
    won that final too.

    But he made his first Wimbledon QF this year...vs Sinner who already
    played lots of big matches there.



    What's that motto they have at Roland Garros?-a 'Victory belongs to the
    most tenacious' - sums him up well I think.

    His reaction once he won the US Open (before and after he knew it, lol)
    showed me that he is nowhere near satisfied and has the balls to do it.
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