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On 6.2.2026 20.09, TT wrote:

Pelle Svansl||s kirjoitti 6.2.2026 klo 13.51:

Finland has urged U.S. officials not to describe future security
pledges to a postwar Ukraine as rCLArticle 5-like,rCY implying that doing >> so could undercut the mutual defense clause at the heart of the NATO
military alliance, according to a State Department cable obtained by
POLITICO.

The Jan. 20 cable hints at worries in some corners over the labels
used during peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow. They show how
sensitive some phrases can be in the national security realm, even
when officials are merely trying to offer an analogy to various
audiences.

According to the cable, sent from the U.S. Embassy in Helsinki to
Washington, Finnish Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen discussed the
issue on Jan. 19 with U.S. Reps. Jack Bergman (R-Mich.) and Sarah
Elfreth (D- Md.), both of whom are members of the House Armed Services
Committee.
Valtonen underscored FinlandrCOs view that Russia is a rCLlong-term
strategic threatrCY and cautioned against a rCLweakrCY peace deal for
Ukraine that would hinder its ability to defend itself against future
Russian aggression, the cable states.

But Valtonen cautioned against any suggestions of rCLArticle 5-likerCY
security guarantees in a postwar Ukraine, the cable adds. She warned
that it risked conflating NATOrCOs Article 5 guarantees with whatever
bilateral promises are made to Ukraine. It also quotes her as saying
there should be a rCLfirewallrCY between NATO and future security
guarantees to Ukraine. FinlandrCOs defense minister made similar points
in a later meeting, according to the cable.

The documentsrCO contents offer insight into concerns voiced by other
Finnish leaders who have said that, while they want to help Ukraine
protect itself, the concept of a security rCLguaranteerCY is a more
serious matter theyrCOre not ready to agree to just yet.

A Finnish official said ValtonenrCOs office wouldnrCOt comment on
confidential discussions, though underscored HelsinkirCOs long-standing
goal of eventually accepting Ukraine into the NATO alliance.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/04/dont-mention-article-5-
finland- warns-us-on-ukraine-00766043

Lol. Exceptional pussyfooting.

Finnskies made a bigus dealus of the "Coalition of the Willing". The
coalition of small cats willing to guarantee a fair and lasting peace
for Ukraine.

"The coalition of the willing (CoW) is a coalition of 34 countries
(plus Ukraine)[14][15][16] that have pledged strengthened support for
Ukraine against Russian aggression, going further than the support
delivered by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group by pledging readiness
to be part of a peacekeeping force deployed on Ukrainian territory,
either by providing troops or contributing in other ways."

As Wiki puts it.

Finnskies clearly panicked when Trump took this CoW business at face
value in one of the drafts for peace. A draft that mentioned Finland
explicitly as one of the guarantors of peace. That's when a Finnskie
froze and decided "nuff of this talk the talk shit. Mum's the word
hereon".

Now, the Finnish FM is telling people privately in Washington: "Yeah.
You guessed it. We didn't mean what we said. But the 5th means 5th,
right?"

Interestingly enuff, this article is dated 4th of Feb. In the two days
since, I haven't seen a word of this in the Finnish press. Yep, it's a
bit embarrassing.

You just don't understand Finns. Seems that Politico does:
rCLIrCOm guessing the Finns donrCOt want to overpromise and under-deliver,rCY
Ellehuus said.

...I most of the time disagree with everything Valtonen the foreign
minister says... but she has a point on not talking about "article 5"
with Ukraine because the term is strictly NATO-specific, no?

Finland was brave and willing until they saw their name mentioned in a
draft for a peace agreement and realised what to be "willing" meant.
Then they suddenly became less "willing".

Lol.
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TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

Pelle Svansl||s kirjoitti 6.2.2026 klo 13.51:

Finland has urged U.S. officials not to describe future
security
pledges to a postwar Ukraine as rCLArticle 5-like,rCY implying that
doing so could undercut the mutual defense clause at the heart
of
the NATO military alliance, according to a State Department
cable
obtained by POLITICO.
The Jan. 20 cable hints at worries in some corners over the
labels
used during peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow. They show how
sensitive some phrases can be in the national security realm,
even
when officials are merely trying to offer an analogy to various
audiences.
According to the cable, sent from the U.S. Embassy in Helsinki
to
Washington, Finnish Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen discussed
the
issue on Jan. 19 with U.S. Reps. Jack Bergman (R-Mich.) and
Sarah
Elfreth (D- Md.), both of whom are members of the House Armed
Services Committee.
Valtonen underscored FinlandrCOs view that Russia is a rCLlong-term
strategic threatrCY and cautioned against a rCLweakrCY peace deal for
Ukraine that would hinder its ability to defend itself against
future Russian aggression, the cable states.
But Valtonen cautioned against any suggestions of rCLArticle
5-likerCY
security guarantees in a postwar Ukraine, the cable adds. She
warned
that it risked conflating NATOrCOs Article 5 guarantees with
whatever
bilateral promises are made to Ukraine. It also quotes her as
saying
there should be a rCLfirewallrCY between NATO and future security
guarantees to Ukraine. FinlandrCOs defense minister made similar
points in a later meeting, according to the cable.
The documentsrCO contents offer insight into concerns voiced by
other
Finnish leaders who have said that, while they want to help
Ukraine
protect itself, the concept of a security rCLguaranteerCY is a more
serious matter theyrCOre not ready to agree to just yet.
A Finnish official said ValtonenrCOs office wouldnrCOt comment on
confidential discussions, though underscored HelsinkirCOs
long-standing goal of eventually accepting Ukraine into the
NATO
alliance.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/04/dont-mention-article-5-finland-
warns-us-on-ukraine-00766043
Lol. Exceptional pussyfooting.
Finnskies made a bigus dealus of the "Coalition of the
Willing". The
coalition of small cats willing to guarantee a fair and lasting
peace for Ukraine.
"The coalition of the willing (CoW) is a coalition of 34
countries
(plus Ukraine)[14][15][16] that have pledged strengthened
support
for Ukraine against Russian aggression, going further than the
support delivered by the Ukraine Defense Contact Group by
pledging
readiness to be part of a peacekeeping force deployed on
Ukrainian
territory, either by providing troops or contributing in other
ways."
As Wiki puts it.
Finnskies clearly panicked when Trump took this CoW business at
face
value in one of the drafts for peace. A draft that mentioned
Finland
explicitly as one of the guarantors of peace. That's when a
Finnskie
froze and decided "nuff of this talk the talk shit. Mum's the
word
hereon".
Now, the Finnish FM is telling people privately in Washington:
"Yeah. You guessed it. We didn't mean what we said. But the 5th
means 5th, right?"
Interestingly enuff, this article is dated 4th of Feb. In the
two
days since, I haven't seen a word of this in the Finnish
press. Yep,
it's a bit embarrassing.

You just don't understand Finns. Seems that Politico does:
rCLIrCOm guessing the Finns donrCOt want to overpromise and under-deliver,rCY
Ellehuus said.

...I most of the time disagree with everything Valtonen the
foreign
minister says... but she has a point on not talking about
"article 5"
with Ukraine because the term is strictly NATO-specific, no?

I guess not all modern Finnish men are cut from the same cloth as
Aatami Korpi!

Nazi 1: Well?
Nazi 2: He's back.
[Finnish prisoner smiles]
Nazi 1: He's hanging from a rope somewhere. He's dead.
[Finnish prisoner laughs]
Nazi 1: What's so fucking funny?
Finnish Prisoner: Nothing.
Soldier 1: What the fuck are you smiling for, then?
Finnish Prisoner: Do you assholes really think you have succeeded
where hundreds of Russians have died trying? We all know the
story. You'll see what happens when you take everything from
him. He won't give up. He'll just keep coming back.
Soldier 1: Do you really believe that he's immortal?
Finnish Prisoner: No... He just refuses to die. We have a word for
that in Finland... but it's impossible to translate. You see, this
is not about who's the strongest. This is about not giving up, and
he won't, ever... no matter what you bitches are trying. You will
only make him stronger. So... what is so fucking funny, is that
you, your boyfriend, and everything that is left of your sorry-ass
company, are already dead.
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