It's Zverev.
I just checked MPOAT rank.
Most deserved non-champions.
#24, Zverev, 29 pts, 0%
...
#32, Berdych, 25 pts, 0%
...
#34, Ferrer, 24 pts, 0%
..
#37, Roche, 23 pts, 0% (he won in amateurs)
...
#39, Tsonga, 22 pts, 0%
...
#49, Martin, 18 pts, 0%
That's your pitiful group.
We can do the other way around?
Most undeserving champions?
#133, Gaudio, 5 pts, 100%
...
#100, Teacher, 7 pts, 71%
...
#87, Johansson, 9 pts, 56%
...
#80, Gomez, 10 pts, 50%
#80, Costa 10 pts, 50%
...
#74, Edmondson, 11 pts, 45%
5, 3, 2, 1 are points for W, F, S, Q.
It means Gaudio has never reached QF anywhere else in any of the slams, other than his slam winning run which brought him 5. He scored 5 pts in total, and all 5 pts come from his slam winning run, thus 100%.
Here's the full list.
https://jumpshare.com/s/hdU8w47KnuNi1cYkdYqt
On 2/02/2026 1:38 am, *skriptis wrote:> > It's Zverev.> > > I just checked MPOAT rank.> > > > Most deserved non-champions.> > > #24, Zverev, 29 pts, 0%> ...> #32, Berdych, 25 pts, 0%> ...> #34, Ferrer, 24 pts, 0%> ..> #37, Roche, 23 pts, 0% (he won in amateurs)> ...> #39, Tsonga, 22 pts, 0%> ...> #49, Martin, 18 pts, 0%> > > > That's your pitiful group.> > > > > > We can do the other way around?> Most undeserving champions?> > > #133, Gaudio, 5 pts, 100%> ...> #100, Teacher, 7 pts, 71%> ...> #87, Johansson, 9 pts, 56%> ...> #80, Gomez, 10 pts, 50%> #80, Costa 10 pts, 50%> ...> #74, Edmondson, 11 pts, 45%> > > > > > 5, 3, 2, 1 are points for W, F, S, Q.> > It means Gaudio has never reached QF anywhere else in any of the slams, other than his slam winning run which brought him 5. He scored 5 pts in total, and all 5 pts come from his slam winning run, thus 100%.> > > Here's the full list.> > https://jumpshare.com/s/hdU8w47KnuNi1cYkdYqt> > > > Mecir?
It's Zverev.
I just checked MPOAT rank.
Most deserved non-champions.
#24, Zverev, 29 pts, 0%
...
#32, Berdych, 25 pts, 0%
...
#34, Ferrer, 24 pts, 0%
..
#37, Roche, 23 pts, 0% (he won in amateurs)
...
#39, Tsonga, 22 pts, 0%
...
#49, Martin, 18 pts, 0%
That's your pitiful group.
We can do the other way around?
Most undeserving champions?
#133, Gaudio, 5 pts, 100%
...
#100, Teacher, 7 pts, 71%
...
#87, Johansson, 9 pts, 56%
...
#80, Gomez, 10 pts, 50%
#80, Costa 10 pts, 50%
...
#74, Edmondson, 11 pts, 45%
5, 3, 2, 1 are points for W, F, S, Q.
It means Gaudio has never reached QF anywhere else in any of the slams, other than his slam winning run which brought him 5. He scored 5 pts in total, and all 5 pts come from his slam winning run, thus 100%.
Here's the full list.
https://jumpshare.com/s/hdU8w47KnuNi1cYkdYqt
Awesome data. I would call any of those guys "pitiful". They still achieved a hell of a lot on the tennis court.
It's Zverev.
I just checked MPOAT rank.
Most deserved non-champions.
#24, Zverev, 29 pts, 0%
...
#32, Berdych, 25 pts, 0%
...
#34, Ferrer, 24 pts, 0%
..
#37, Roche, 23 pts, 0% (he won in amateurs)
...
#39, Tsonga, 22 pts, 0%
...
#49, Martin, 18 pts, 0%
That's your pitiful group.
We can do the other way around?
Most undeserving champions?
#133, Gaudio, 5 pts, 100%
...
#100, Teacher, 7 pts, 71%
...
#87, Johansson, 9 pts, 56%
...
#80, Gomez, 10 pts, 50%
#80, Costa 10 pts, 50%
...
#74, Edmondson, 11 pts, 45%
5, 3, 2, 1 are points for W, F, S, Q.
It means Gaudio has never reached QF anywhere else in any of the slams, other than his slam winning run which brought him 5. He scored 5 pts in total, and all 5 pts come from his slam winning run, thus 100%.
Here's the full list.
https://jumpshare.com/s/hdU8w47KnuNi1cYkdYqt
Ruud has 3 slam finals & 1 SF
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:
Ruud has 3 slam finals & 1 SF
Yeah but that's kinda everything he has.
3 finals (3|u3, 9 pts)
1 semi (1|u2, 2 pts)
Total 11, he has those 4 slam runs, nothing else. His volume (or presence, which is what P in MPOAT stands for, is weak)
#74 Ruud, 11 pts, 0%
But yeah, if we go with strict measurements, most titles, finals, semis, quarters, he would be high.
Here's a strict table for all multiple slam finalists.
First two digits are finals, second two semis, last two quarters.
Alexander Zverev 31016
Tony Roche 30812
Casper Ruud 30404
Todd Martin 20610
Stefanos Tsitsipas 20608
C|-dric Pioline 20408
Miloslav Me-i|!+O 20407
|Clex Corretja 20306
Kevin Curren 20304
Robin S||derling 20206
Mark Philippoussis 20205
Kevin Anderson 20203
Steve Denton 20202
The rankings are perfectly ordered, first by success and if same, then chronologically.
So if both have 6 pts, 5+1 is ahead of 3+3 guy.
Roche won 1966 FO and r/up 1965 and 1967. In open era he was r/up at Wimbledon and twice at USO, losing to Laver twice and Rosewall once. His highest ranking was no.2. He won 46 singles titles. All up he made 6 singles slam finals only won 1. Similar career to Medvedev? I'd exclude him from this list as he does have the FO, even though it's not in open era.Imo he's the best volleyer of all time. He made volleys look ridiculously easy, bit like Stan and his backhand.
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:
Roche won 1966 FO and r/up 1965 and 1967. In open era he was r/up at Wimbledon and twice at USO, losing to Laver twice and Rosewall once. His highest ranking was no.2. He won 46 singles titles. All up he made 6 singles slam finals only won 1. Similar career to Medvedev? I'd exclude him from this list as he does have the FO, even though it's not in open era.Imo he's the best volleyer of all time. He made volleys look ridiculously easy, bit like Stan and his backhand.
I welcome your input, I said myself Roche is a slam champion prior to open era, I know that.
However since this archive deals with open era, then it shows his (open era) record for what it is, similarly the way Laver is credited with 5 slam wins, Newcombe 5 too, even though their totals are 11 and 7...
Checking these stats, they're fun, for all the prominence Berdych had, he really only made 1 slam final.
Among the non champions who made just 1 final, he's the most successful/consistent one.
So he's kinda a winner within a loser category?
Who's the worst player to make multiple slam finals - Steve Denton? Pioli=ne lost a lot of finals but surely was better than Denton?
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:
Awesome data. I would call any of those guys "pitiful". They still achieved a hell of a lot on the tennis court.
It's just rst slang. ;)
On 2/1/2026 10:01 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in=message:>> Awesome data. I would call any of those guys "pitiful". They st= ill achieved a hell of a lot on the tennis court.> > > > It's just rst slan=
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:
Who's the worst player to make multiple slam finals - Steve Denton? Pioline lost a lot of finals but surely was better than Denton?
Multiple finals
Alexander Zverev 31016
Tony Roche 30812
Casper Ruud 30404
Todd Martin 20610
Stefanos Tsitsipas 20608
C|-dric Pioline 20408
Miloslav Me-i|!+O 20407
|Clex Corretja 20306
Kevin Curren 20304
Robin S||derling 20206
Mark Philippoussis 20205
Kevin Anderson 20203
Steve Denton 20202
One time finalists
Tom|i+i Berdych 10717
David Ferrer 10617
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 10615
Tom Okker 10511
David Nalbandian 10510
Henri Leconte 10409
Harold Solomon 10406
Kei Nishikori 10312
Milos Raonic 10310
Alex Metreveli 10308
Matteo Berrettini 10306
Fernando Gonz|ilez 10207
Taylor Fritz 10207
Phil Dent 10205
Brian Gottfried 10205
Andrei Medvedev 10205
Dick Crealy 10204
Guillermo Coria 10204
++eljko Franulovi-c 10203
Patrick Proisy 10203
Magnus Norman 10203
Marcos Baghdatis 10203
V|!ctor Pecci,Sr. 10202
Rainer Sch|+ttler 10202
Marcelo R|!os 10106
Onny Parun 10105
Kim Warwick 10104
Nick Kyrgios 10104
John Lloyd 10103
John Sadri 10103
Thomas Enqvist 10103
Arnaud Cl|-ment 10103
Nikola Pili-c 10102
Mikael Pernfors 10102
Alberto Berasategui 10102
MaliVai Washington 10102
Greg Rusedski 10102
Mal Anderson 10101
John Marks 10101
Chris Lewis 10101
Martin Verkerk 10101
Mariano Puerta 10101
Multiple semifinalists
Tim Henman 610
Nikolay Davydenko 410
S|-bastien Grosjean 409
Tommy Haas 408
Ra||l Ram|!rez 309
Grigor Dimitrov 308
John Alexander 305
Richard Gasquet 305
Cliff Richey 304
Roger Taylor 304
Tom Gorman 303
Hank Pfister 303
Ga|2l Monfils 210
Tim Mayotte 209
Eddie Dibbs 207
Jonas Bj||rkman 207
Mikhail Youzhny 206
Karen Khachanov 206
Clark Graebner 205
Wayne Ferreira 205
Frances Tiafoe 205
Ben Shelton 205
Ray Ruffels 204
Dick Stockton 204
Jos|- Higueras 204
Aaron Krickstein 204
Pablo Carre|#o Busta 204
Lorenzo Musetti 204
F|-lix Auger-Aliassime 204
Corrado Barazzutti 203
Slobodan ++ivojinovi-c 203
Jonas Svensson 203
Wally Masur 203
Jos|- Luis Clerc 202
One time semifinalists
Anders J|nrryd 105
Sjeng Schalken 105
Nicolas Kiefer 105
Diego Schwartzman 105
Dennis Ralston 104
Colin Dibley 104
Peter McNamara 104
Andrei Chesnokov 104
Magnus Larsson 104
Dominik Hrbat|+ 104
Mario An-ii-c 104
Fernando Verdasco 104
Sam Querrey 104
Tommy Paul 104
Sandy Mayer 103
Ross Case 103
Bill Scanlon 103
David Wheaton 103
Karel Nov|i-iek 103
Karol Ku-iera 103
Nicolas Escud|- 103
John Isner 103
Lucas Pouille 103
Pancho Gonzales 102
Bob Lutz 102
Frank Froehling 102
Fran|oois Jauffret 102
Bob Giltinan 102
Pat DuPre 102
Rod Frawley 102
Paul McNamee 102
Jimmy Arias 102
Patrick McEnroe 102
Alexander Volkov 102
Marc Rosset 102
Filip Dewulf 102
F|-lix Mantilla 102
Nicol|is Lapentti 102
Ivan Ljubi-ii-c 102
Ernests Gulbis 102
Roberto Bautista Agut 102
Hubert Hurkacz 102
Cameron Norrie 102
Georges Goven 101
Allan Stone 101
Karl Meiler 101
Victor Amaya 101
Christophe Roger-Vasselin 101
Ben Testerman 101
Darren Cahill 101
Jan Gunnarsson 101
Mark Woodforde 101
Jason Stoltenberg 101
Todd Woodbridge 101
Fernando Meligeni 101
Franco Squillari 101
Vladimir Voltchkov 101
Ji+O|! Nov|ik 101
Xavier Malisse 101
Joachim Johansson 101
Robby Ginepri 101
J|+rgen Melzer 101
Jerzy Janowicz 101
Kyle Edmund 101
Chung Hyeon 101
Marco Cecchinato 101
Aslan Karatsev 101
Dennis Shapovalov 101
Jack Draper 101
Multiple quarters
Andrey Rublev 10
Tommy Robredo 7
Alex de Minaur 7
Guy Forget 5
Roy Emerson 4
Fred Stolle 4
Wojciech Fibak 4
Vijay Amritraj 4
Eliot Teltscher 4
Gene Mayer 4
Younes El Aynaoui 4
Hicham Arazi 4
Nicol|is Almagro 4
Feliciano L||pez 4
David Goffin 4
Butch Buchholz 3
Cliff Drysdale 3
Hans Gildemeister 3
Joakim Nystr||m 3
Ramesh Krishnan 3
Andrei Cherkasov 3
Christian Bergstr||m 3
Guillermo Ca|#as 3
James Blake 3
Jarkko Nieminen 3
Juan Ignacio Chela 3
Mardy Fish 3
Holger Rune 3
Marty Riessen 2
John Cooper 2
Bob Carmichael 2
Raymond Moore 2
Peter Rennert 2
Bal|izs Tar||czy 2
Tom|i+i +am|!d 2
Heinz G|+nthardt 2
Michiel Schapers 2
Emilio S|inchez 2
Jay Berger 2
Brad Gilbert 2
Thierry Champion 2
Goran Prpi-c 2
Jaime Yzaga 2
Jacco Eltingh 2
Bernd Karbacher 2
Javier S|inchez 2
Byron Black 2
Alexander Popp 2
Florian Mayer 2
Janko Tipsarevi-c 2
Gilles Simon 2
Gilles M|+ller 2
Tennys Sandgren 2
Denis Shapovalov 2
Ji+O|! Lehe-ika 2
One time quarters
Ion +oiriac 1
Boro Jovanovi-c 1
Thomaz Koch 1
William Bowrey 1
Martin Mulligan 1
Brian Fairlie 1
Mark Cox 1
Istv|in Guly|is 1
Barry Phillips-Moore 1
Frew McMillan 1
Wanaro N'Godrella 1
Paolo Bertolucci 1
J|+rgen Fassbender 1
Vladim|!r Zedn|!k 1
Hans-J|+rgen Pohmann 1
Patricio Cornejo 1
Ismail El Shafei 1
Geoff Masters 1
John Andrews 1
Andrew Pattison 1
Jaime Fillol,Sr. 1
Brad Drewett 1
Charlie Pasarell 1
Byron Bertram 1
Billy Martin 1
Robin Drysdale 1
Butch Walts 1
Paul Kronk 1
Peter Feigl 1
Tim Gullikson 1
Peter Fleming 1
Bruce Manson 1
Shlomo Glickstein 1
Tom Gullikson 1
Rodney Harmon 1
Drew Gitlin 1
Sammy Giammalva,Jr. 1
Mel Purcell 1
Mark Dickson 1
Henrik Sundstr||m 1
Paul Annacone 1
Scott Davis 1
Mart|!n Jaite 1
Ricardo Acu|#a 1
Tim Wilkison 1
Milan +arejber 1
Kelly Evernden 1
Todd Witsken 1
Guillermo P|-rez Rold|in 1
Patrik K|+hnen 1
Derrick Rostagno 1
Ronald Ag|-nor 1
Alberto Mancini 1
Dan Goldie 1
Paul Chamberlin 1
Brad Pearce 1
Cristiano Caratti 1
Franco Dav|!n 1
Jakob Hlasek 1
Paul Haarhuis 1
Amos Mansdorf 1
Nicklas Kulti 1
Brett Steven 1
Magnus Gustafsson 1
Hendrik Dreekmann 1
Adrian Voinea 1
Renzo Furlan 1
Shuzo Matsuoka 1
Mikael Tillstr||m 1
Alex R-adulescu 1
Galo Blanco 1
Jan Siemerink 1
Davide Sanguinetti 1
Vincent Spadea 1
Marcelo Filippini 1
Ctislav Dosed-cl 1
Chris Woodruff 1
Jan-Michael Gambill 1
Mariano Zabaleta 1
Stefan Koubek 1
Andrei Pavel 1
Andr|- S|i 1
Max Mirnyi 1
Victor H-anescu 1
Fabrice Santoro 1
Julien Benneteau 1
Radek +at-cp|inek 1
Igor Andreev 1
Ivo Karlovi-c 1
Lu Yen-hsun 1
Alexandr Dolgopolov 1
Fabio Fognini 1
Bernard Tomic 1
Philipp Kohlschreiber 1
J|-r|-my Chardy 1
+Uukasz Kubot 1
Vasek Pospisil 1
Albert Ramos-Vi|#olas 1
Mischa Zverev 1
John Millman 1
Guido Pella 1
Borna -aori-c 1
Alejandro Davidovich Fokina 1
M|irton Fucsovics 1
Lloyd Harris 1
Botic van de Zandschulp 1
Cristian Gar|!n 1
Sebastian Korda 1
Tom|is Mart|!n Etcheverry 1
Christoper Eubanks 1
Roman Safiullin 1
Lorenzo Sonego 1
Alexander Bublik 1
Flavio Cobolli 1
Learner Tien 1
Johan Kriek must be the worst multi slam winner in open era?
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
On 2/1/2026 10:01 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:>> Awesome data. I would call any of those guys "pitiful". They still achieved a hell of a lot on the tennis court.> > > > It's just rst slang. ;)> > Where is your compassion? One of those pros may read rst... ;)-- ---------------Scall5
In the 1990s perhaps, nowadays I don't think so. EfyU
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:
Johan Kriek must be the worst multi slam winner in open era?
One-time winners
Daniil Medvedev 1060911
Andy Roddick 1051019
Michael Chang 1040813
Goran Ivani+ievi-c 1040714
Dominic Thiem 1040608
Vitas Gerulaitis 1030811
Marin -iili-c 1030614
Michael Stich 1030610
Juan Carlos Ferrero 1030609
Pat Cash 1030509
Juan Mart|!n del Potro 1020613
Roscoe Tanner 1020611
Manuel Orantes 1020409
Andr|-s Gimeno 1020405
Carlos Moy|a 1020308
Petr Korda 1020206
Thomas Muster 1010409
Richard Krajicek 1010409
Adriano Panatta 1010306
Mark Edmondson 1010305
Yannick Noah 1010210
Albert Costa 1010205
Thomas Johansson 1010204
Andr|-s G||mez 1010106
Brian Teacher 1010103
Gast||n Gaudio 1010101
A bit surprised Edmondson is above some relatively illustrious names
On 2/2/2026 8:09 PM, *skriptis wrote:
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
On 2/1/2026 10:01 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Scall5In the 1990s perhaps, nowadays I don't think so. EfyU
<nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:>> Awesome data. I would
call any of those guys "pitiful". They still achieved a hell
of a lot on the tennis court.> > > > It's just rst slang. ;)>
Where is your compassion? One of those pros may read rst...;)-- ---------------Scall5
I remember John Entwistle posting on The Who newsgroup, and some
legends on NHRA's alt newsgroup. Nino on van-halen. It was
pretty
freaking cool, among the chaos.
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:
On 2/2/2026 8:09 PM, *skriptis wrote:
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
On 2/1/2026 10:01 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Scall5 <nospam@home.net>In the 1990s perhaps, nowadays I don't think so. EfyU
Wrote in message:>> Awesome data. I would call any of those guys
"pitiful". They still achieved a hell of a lot on the tennis court.>
those pros may read rst... ;)-- ---------------Scall5It's just rst slang. ;)> > Where is your compassion? One of
I remember John Entwistle posting on The Who newsgroup, and some
legends on NHRA's alt newsgroup. Nino on van-halen. It was pretty
freaking cool, among the chaos.
How do you know it's them on usenet?
On 2/5/26 12:09 AM, jdeluise wrote:
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:
On 2/2/2026 8:09 PM, *skriptis wrote:
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
On 2/1/2026 10:01 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Scall5 <nospam@home.net>In the 1990s perhaps, nowadays I don't think so. EfyU
Wrote in message:>> Awesome data. I would call any of those guys
"pitiful". They still achieved a hell of a lot on the tennis
court.> > > > It's just rst slang. ;)> > Where is your compassion?
One of those pros may read rst... ;)-- ---------------Scall5
I remember John Entwistle posting on The Who newsgroup, and some
legends on NHRA's alt newsgroup. Nino on van-halen. It was pretty
freaking cool, among the chaos.
How do you know it's them on usenet?
It was another era, j.
Of course you have a point, but there was a sort of innocent naive
belief in not fucking people around just to pat yourself on the back. I think that there'd be a much better chance in the early/mid 90s that
people were who they said there are.
I feel pretty sure that you're on other forums. I've gotten increasingly disgusted at easily finding people who seem to actually *want* to screw others around without even any discernible advantage to themselves. They just basically want to deny any proposition on what seems to be solely personal spleen. They don't wish to make *any* point, they just want to scream "NOOOOO!".
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